Dear All,
After a long Wait Spice has launched MI-500 Today......
With Great Specs......
Band/Mode GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz, WCDMA 2100MHz Battery 2400mAh
Phone Dual SIM (WCDMA + GSM) Dual stand by
Operating System Android 4.0.4
Video Calling Yes , Real time video calling
Screen size/pixel 12.7 cm, Capacitive
System Memory 4GB ROM + 512MB RAM
CPU (MHz) 1GHz Dual Core + GPU
Click Thanks If u like My post......:good:
hi
u can see this too for more info
link : http://www.fonearena.com/blog/55730/spice-stellar-horizon-finally-goes-on-in-india-for-rs-12499.html
Nice!
Here is my next baby for 200 US$
http://www.alcatelonetouch.com/global-en/products/smartphones/ot-995.html
Support is great in it to and ICS is coming the 15 of Oct.
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discount
Hey Frank-
Any discount coupon....you can provide buddy...i hv been waiting for this.
Hey all sure discount is there just get in touch....cheers
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frankarora said:
Hey all sure discount is there just get in touch....cheers
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hi
can we kindly keep such discussions via PM may be i dont think it will be appreciated as per XDA rules. Send him a PM or mail and get what u want
lets not have this discussion in the forum OK:laugh::good::laugh:
frankarora said:
Hey all sure discount is there just get in touch....cheers
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PMed
I've done a lot of research but don't seem to get this answered - is Mi 500 a step upwards / downwards?
Considering the processor is mediatech (yeah I know its dual core) with Power VR SGX 531 which is way behind Adreno 205 in Mi 410. Also can someone clear up if MediaTech processors are good for custom rom support?
Regards
Sandy
srawat_itpro said:
I've done a lot of research but don't seem to get this answered - is Mi 500 a step upwards / downwards?
Considering the processor is mediatech (yeah I know its dual core) with Power VR SGX 531 which is way behind Adreno 205 in Mi 410. Also can someone clear up if MediaTech processors are good for custom rom support?
Regards
Sandy
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with this mobile spice moved one step back ....
vivekb said:
with this mobile spice moved one step back ....
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MTK 6577 is becoming very popular with many Chinese OEMs, Lenovo and Alcatel also adopting it. Power GPU is on par if not better than adreno. End of the day if I get awesome features @ super attractive price...why not !!!
Only slip up is Spice has gone with 512Mb RAM . This should have been 1Gb.
Review & Unboxing Video, Benchmarks
Handson : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ovqHPeC-4o
Unboxing : Mi 500 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azdHWOzFLCw&feature=plcp
Thanks to AFLASH77 and Droidser @ http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925083
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Benchmarks : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32659702&postcount=9
Thanks to Vind_r and Droidiser @ http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925083
too bad that it just have 512MB RAM
malaysia csl just launch their mi501 . They said is build in a qualcomm s4 duo core. Is this same spec with mi500?
Spice Mi500 is a MediaTek 6577 1Ghz Dual Core with 512 MB RAM, 5MPG Camera, 4GB ROM, 5Inch TFT LCD....
As there is already a general thread for the said device, please post over there.
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great~ so the mi500 didn't share the same spec with mi-501 in Malaysia.:crying:
Hope there will be a similar phone release and i am waiting for the root and cwm for that mi501 device.
only 512mb ram.....OMG=.=
Malaysia CSL mi501 benchmark. Using MSM8225A chipset.
Request
Need stock rom of mi 500
Please share.begging u
Thank u
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how to overclock a processor over 1 GHz?
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how to overclock a processor over 1 GHz?
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1.buying a new device
2.waiting for someone who can get a stable OC of 1GHz to SGA [ and trying to fry some cookies on it ]
U need an overclock kernel to do that...thers one for ace by ketut....but y do u wanna do it..do u realuse that ur battery will suck(even more) when u overclock?!!u can also cause permanent damage to your phones cpu etc ...my advice will be R.I.P with 800mhz ..its fast enough
Hit the thanxx button if i helped...
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+1 to that..i ll also want to cook some tandoori on that 1ghz phone XD XD XD
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in antutu looked, well, at least up to 960MHz, near the 902 and now everything is stable, but want more
They also did something 921 or 979
I can't get more than 845Mhz because it hangs or reboot.
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previous ketut kernel were able to OC much more than 902 but were not stable for most of users.. very few lucky CPU's got some speed and they might be amongst them..
if OC get stable at 960 then ketut might update blackhawk kernel..
if you are so eager to get OC then download sources mod them and try if it works
FMAranda said:
I can't get more than 845Mhz because it hangs or reboot.
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indeed. over 1ghz aint gonna happen. armv6 or msm7227 to be exact really, really sucks when it comes to its capability.
an0nym0us_ said:
indeed. over 1ghz aint gonna happen. armv6 or msm7227 to be exact really, really sucks when it comes to its capability.
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well yours and mine next phones will be clockable to 2Ghz
i can see DHD price slashed recently and it is similar to many newer devices so develoement is very much active ..but don't have some cash for now
Wats the highest score in antutu
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previous ketut kernel were able to OC much more than 902 but were not stable for most of users..
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please link
Miha_149 said:
please link
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please search as you can get it through it ... try to reduce dependencies
shailpancholi said:
Wats the highest score in antutu
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4000 sumthinf fr ace and 13000 sumthin for overall.. Transformer prime i guess
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please search as you can get it through it ... try to reduce dependencies
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I have difficulty in targeting the forums because of poor English language skills
Maybe 4000 howz that possile
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found, close the topic
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1296905
madman_amit said:
well yours and mine next phones will be clockable to 2Ghz
i can see DHD price slashed recently and it is similar to many newer devices so develoement is very much active ..but don't have some cash for now
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18k still for that device is too much.
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Lijop said:
18k still for that device is too much.
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but considering its other side 18k is good price and it will come down when one series gets launched as it will be priced much higher
That 960MHz would be unstable as hell. I'm sure that guy overclocked just for the bench. Even though he got a good CPU, reboot may still happen..
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I am Going To Buy Micromax Funbook Is it good or not ?
anyone here use it..
Sorry if i post it to wrong section.
Nah as long its in general section its fine
I want to buy it to...really gud buy for such great config. I think u shuld go for it by selling mini. It'l fetch u sumthng like 1500 ! So u will b gettin funbook around 5k...which is very gud buy
Also CM9 is available in forums...I suggest u check forums first for development
Gud luck
I guess Micromax Funbook comes with AOSP ICS. And I doubt whether there is active development for Micromax over here at xda.
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I guess Micromax Funbook comes with AOSP ICS. And I doubt whether there is active development for Micromax over here at xda.
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Well a subforum is not available but its thread is in misclleneous android dev thread in xda home...
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coolsandie said:
I guess Micromax Funbook comes with AOSP ICS. And I doubt whether there is active development for Micromax over here at xda.
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U mean default OS ? Its GB 2.3.6..
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U mean default OS ? Its GB 2.3.6..
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No dude, its Android 4.0
http://www.micromaxfunbook.com
Oh..dnt knw dat well dats even better..
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Oh..dnt knw dat well dats even better..
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You'll just get a Tab worth Rs. 6,499 (approx. $118)
I don't know whether much cheaper ICS based Tab is available than this.
I would rather get newer phone with bigger screen...
OP...how much r u willin to spend ?
Karbonn is much better ... !!
thin so ..
Finally i got it it too smooth and best tablate under 10k...
My review 5star.
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Karbonn is much better ... !!
thin so ..
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Yes it is
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avilove4u said:
Karbonn is much better ... !!
thin so ..
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Only difference seems to be 2MP Camera, whereas Micromax has a VGA cam.
But you've to pay extra 500 bucks for that, as Karbonn Tab is nearly 7,000
I use it since last two day ..
Mine vote for micromax funbook best tablate for gamming and all things..
It comes with 2d/3d mali 400 graphic processor...
YaShGoHeL said:
I use it since last two day ..
Mine vote for micromax funbook best tablate for gamming and all things..
It comes with 2d/3d mali 400 graphic processor...
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Mera to ek hi qwestion hai bhai....does micromax has such good hardware like mini? My mini dropped from my hands so many times..still nothin..but I dont really trust micromax..and specially wid the less no. Of service centres and even they barely open
-Rik(Rittik)
of course
I feel fine, and with them is also very convenient:D
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Mera to ek hi qwestion hai bhai....does micromax has such good hardware like mini? My mini dropped from my hands so many times..still nothin..but I dont really trust micromax..and specially wid the less no. Of service centres and even they barely open
-Rik(Rittik)
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Good hardware like Mini?
Funbook comes with ARM Cortex-A8 processor (ARMv7) with 1.22GHz. Even Samsung Galaxy Tab, HTC Desire etc. is running the same processor.
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Good hardware like Mini?
Funbook comes with ARM Cortex-A8 processor (ARMv7) with 1.22GHz. Even Samsung Galaxy Tab, HTC Desire etc. is running the same processor.
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I think he mean the durability of the Funbook
Waiting for Google Nexus Tablets: 150-250$
wow just now i checked it out. it looks amazing !
]Hello...soon ubuntu will release their Os for almost all smart phones who got minimum sys req :
Optimus black has cortex a8 1 ghz... is there big difference between a8 and a9 ?
what you think about this os?
System requirements for smartphones
----------------------------------------------------------- Entry level Ubuntu smartphone -------------------High-end Ubuntu “superphone”
[*]Processor architecture------------------------------------------1Ghz CortexA9--------------------------Quad-core A9 or Intel Atom
[*]Memory---------------------------------------------------------------512MB – 1GB Min----------------------------------------- 1GB
[*]Flash storage------------------------------------------------------ 4-8GB eMMC + SD-----------------------------------Min32GB eMMC + SD
[*]Multi-touch-----------------------------------------------------------YES----------------------------------------------------------------YES
[*]Desktop convergence---------------------------------------------NO-----------------------------------------------------------------YES
I think it's too soon to talk about it
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/new...s-official-first-devices-expected-2014-312689
Unfortunately, there is still no news regarding what kind of hardware to expect, other than the fact we are looking at a 2014 release
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my infromation source tell's that first beta ''rom'' will be launched after few weeks (galaxy nexus)
p.s CyanogenMod team trying copy ui from ubuntu rumors...
Here is a benchmark 1GHz Cortex A8 vs A9 vs Atom:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=gentoo_arm_x32&num=1
Cortex A9 is...better of course, but I think our Black will be "just" capable to run Ubuntu Phone OS.
well Canonical said that if our device run Android , it will run Ubuntu without a problem :good:
http://youtu.be/cpWHJDLsqTU?t=6m43s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLtcj7FdIYA
wonderful
Wow now that's something.
It won't work on our phone... spoke to a PR rep today... sucks so bad...
Edit: someone could port it though
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Amazing OS and seems really light.
Inviato dal mio LG-P970 con Stock V30B
Ereckson said:
It won't work on our phone... spoke to a PR rep today... sucks so bad...
Edit: someone could port it though
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By the time it's released our phone's most likely outdated.
true that. It's all a matter of time..
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Touch-based Ubuntu preview coming February 21st, will work on Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4.
www.engadget.com/2013/02/15/touch-based-ubuntu-preview-coming-february-21st/
Would love to try
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I am waiting for it
Yeah i will be happy because i want a phone that has ubuntu
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Will the OB camera quality will improve on Ubuntu?
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Will the OB camera quality will improve on Ubuntu?
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Come on... How anyone could possible know that? And then, it will be the same with CM. It is needed to make a ROM compatible with our P970.
I just came here to post a thread about Ubuntu Phone in our OB and there's one already :silly:
Crazy to see that in my phone :victory:
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btw, do we have any badass developers from OB family interested on porting Ubuntu Phone for us? Cuz I'm pretty sure won't be any official release of it
the image for Nexus Phones will be avaible here tomorrow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch?action=show&redirect=UbuntuPhone
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it's already avaible here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install?action=show&redirect=TouchInstallProcess
Could somebody do this
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
Tomorow the publish a guide so people could port it
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androidjel said:
Could somebody do this
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
Tomorow the publish a guide so people could port it
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great, now we only need some dev who wants to do that, if no one appears I'm thinking about trying to do it myself and let's see what happens
I thought they had the same processer apparently they don't dna get a score close to 20000 where xperia z barely makes it to 15500 somethin is very wrong here why does xperia have such a huge difference over 5000 points less so its seems like the 1.5quadcore in xerpia is not as powerful as the the same 1.5 quadcore in dna yet there both from snapdragon so one of them is lieing !!! about there processer... Cause over 5000 points in difference its funny how so many smart people havnt realized this yet lol every other 1.5GHZ snapdragon quadcore is close to 20000 yet the only yes the only phone with the same supposedly same specs is way less then 15500.... explain that :/
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gabrielpina4 said:
I thought they had the same processer apparently they don't dna get a score close to 20000 where xperia z barely makes it to 15500 somethin is very wrong here why does xperia have such a huge difference over 5000 points less so its seems like the 1.5quadcore in xerpia is not as powerful as the the same 1.5 quadcore in dna yet there both from snapdragon so one of them is lieing !!! about there processer... Cause over 5000 points in difference its funny how so many smart people havnt realized this yet lol every other 1.5GHZ snapdragon quadcore is close to 20000 yet the only yes the only phone with the same supposedly same specs is way less then 15500.... explain that :/
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ugh another benchmark thread. No one cares mate.
gabrielpina4 said:
explain that :/
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Explanation is very simple: ~15000 score was achieved on prototype device with debugging/development 4.1.1 software. Retail devices score from 19500 to ~21000. Score is expected to go up with 4.2 update.
Here's a video for you:
AnTuTu S3 vs Xperia Z
Quadrant S3 vs Xperia Z
Unfortunately I cannot discuss unreleased products and previously posted content must be removed.
Okay I guess they either updated antutu or they updated the firmware on xperia either way the new score is much more better then the one I saw before I can totally live with that score much much better n its a tiny bit more then dna so that's a huge improvement plus will get 4.2 before dna so even such better yup the choice is clear now!!
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I think the change comes from Xperia firmware - or the hardware used in prototype units. Seen one youtube video where it scored over 21000 so we might still be surprised.
Here's a better tip.
Don't compare a device which is already out than a device which isn't yet.
Did you at least consider how many running apps the Xperia Z is running on that demo unit? For all we know other testers could have just launched an app and pressed home button(without killing the app) so it still consumes resources. If you really want a decent benchmark they should have made a fresh reboot on a device first before doing the benchmark.
Ambroos said:
I think your information about the Xperia Z is wrong
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Where did you get your Xperia Z? It isn't released yet here in Belgium
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Ambroos got a Z and he gives his feeling about it
http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/7/3965302/xperia-z-in-my-pocket-ask-me-anything-about-it
Sv: Droiddna kills xperia z on antutu benchmark by 5000?? how
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Ambroos got a Z and he gives his feeling about it
http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/7/3965302/xperia-z-in-my-pocket-ask-me-anything-about-it
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What happened with the link
It only shows error 404
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What happened with the link
It only shows error 404
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It was removed. I'm afraid Ambroos might have been asked/forced to remove it.
Sv: Droiddna kills xperia z on antutu benchmark by 5000?? how
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It was removed. I'm afraid Ambroos might have been asked/forced to remove it.
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It's a shame
It was a very good description of the handset
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It's a shame
It was a very good description of the handset
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Sorry, I'm working on getting permission again. In the meantime this does give me the time to write up something nice.
15000???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGIXdHNCAKo
I have seen other benchmarks where the xperia z gets 21k, so I have no clue what u are talking about
Jiyeon90 said:
15000???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGIXdHNCAKo
I have seen other benchmarks where the xperia z gets 21k, so I have no clue what u are talking about
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He's trolling, haven't you guys seen his other threads already? The other troll thread of his has already been closed. Lets try not to feed this guy.
gabrielpina4 said:
I thought they had the same processer apparently they don't dna get a score close to 20000 where xperia z barely makes it to 15500 somethin is very wrong here why does xperia have such a huge difference over 5000 points less so its seems like the 1.5quadcore in xerpia is not as powerful as the the same 1.5 quadcore in dna yet there both from snapdragon so one of them is lieing !!! about there processer... Cause over 5000 points in difference its funny how so many smart people havnt realized this yet lol every other 1.5GHZ snapdragon quadcore is close to 20000 yet the only yes the only phone with the same supposedly same specs is way less then 15500.... explain that :/
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I think mods should close this thread. Its pointless
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I think mods should close this thread. Its pointless
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Agreed. Especially that it was already POSTED few times that it scores 19+k but people still ask "15000? how come?" so it's just a flame and confusion bait.
gabrielpina4 said:
I thought they had the same processer apparently they don't dna get a score close to 20000 where xperia z barely makes it to 15500 somethin is very wrong here why does xperia have such a huge difference over 5000 points less so its seems like the 1.5quadcore in xerpia is not as powerful as the the same 1.5 quadcore in dna yet there both from snapdragon so one of them is lieing !!! about there processer... Cause over 5000 points in difference its funny how so many smart people havnt realized this yet lol every other 1.5GHZ snapdragon quadcore is close to 20000 yet the only yes the only phone with the same supposedly same specs is way less then 15500.... explain that :/
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i get around 5k antutu score with my stock not overclocked xperia neo
Quit asking!
1) Look up the hardware requirements. If you meet or exceed minimum specs,
2) Post the question in a thread dedicated to YOUR device. Most likely there will be a dev or a team interested in porting from the gnex ubuntu image to your device.
The availability of a ported image to any device usually depends on the willingness and skill of a dev using your same device.
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Hey will it be on my phone???
Oh please oh please say yes
Haha jkjk
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Will it be on my EVO 3d?
Arm7 v2 . Adreno 220. Dual 1GHz. 1 Gb ram.
Edit . Didn't read the whole thread lol
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Will it be on my EVO 3d?
Arm7 v2 . Adreno 220. Dual 1GHz. 1 Gb ram.
Edit . Didn't read the whole thread lol
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Info u seek is here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2128429
PHONE SLOW CLICK ME?
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HP touchpad
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suppose you didnt even bother reading the FIRST POST?
Is it real to port Ubuntu for phones on my phone? Single-core, adreno 205
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Is it real to port Ubuntu for phones on my phone? Single-core, adreno 205
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I think it can run woth an armv7 processor. But read the first post!
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will it be on my RAZR HD??
is there any port for ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity?
Is it possible to port it to Samsung Galaxy W
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Is it possible to port it to Samsung Galaxy W
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U misunderstand tread the OP please post port requests here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2164829
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I hope I can flash Ubuntu on my s3..I don't understand the step by step how to flash Ubuntu Torch.. Also, my English so poor
Can somebody help me give some advice? Or give me some easy tutorial?...
Thank you
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Will Ubuntu Touch run on Asus EeePad Transformer TF201 Prime? (NVidia Tegra 3 (ARM Cortex-A9 MPCore CPU, overclocked to 1.8Ghz, NVidia ULP GeForce ), 32GB ROM (more then 22GB available with Android OS installed), 1GB RAM)
I've seen ports even for Asus EeePad Transformer TF101, which is less powerful.
will be on pantech burst?
There is a port available for Xperia u. So it will be possible to port Ubuntu on sola as well, and also it will not be off track as both devices are likely to be same in specs, hoping for a YES!
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Will be work on my Cross A26?
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There's no way this isn't gonna happen for the One, right? Lol I'm sure somebody wants it as bad as I do.
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Ainol novo 7 fire ?
Wysłane z mojego Nexus 7 za pomocą Tapatalk 4