Hello everyone
is there any jellybean rom without project butter in it
i like the functionalities of JB but project butter cause a heavy load to the device , especially when i try to play some games like blood and glory or any other "demanding" game
it is the only reason i've downgraded from JB to ICS
so please if you are using/know/seen any low fat JB rom, please let me know
how did you know that Project butter is what slowed down your phone? i do not think that is true. you could try slim jb rom
I agree.
This is going to be an issue with the particular ROM you tried. Current builds of JB are considerably smoother than they were even a few weeks ago.
well im not a developer or anything but i've tried several roms
and from what i've understood project butter forces the GPU to work at a constant 60fps which is great for regular using, pretty smooth
but im using now cm9.1 sable build and i really cant tell the difference (smoothness wise) however, when i benchmarked JB roms (such as slimbean, cm10, remics-jb) compared with ics roms (cm9, slim ics, onecosmics) ive always found the ics performs a bit better (quadrents and Antutu) now i know benchmark scores dnt tell the whole story, but i've found it true in my case, specially when playing games (wind-up knights, blood and glory, agent dash) these are the main games that have lower fps on jb than they have on ics
cant imagine Butter is the problem..
Project Butter
Hi,
I'm running OpenSensation CM10 on my HTC Sensation.....
I don't see project butter implemented in this JB ROM.
The CM10 ROM is about 5% faster than Stock ICS and has better user options but its UI is just as jittery as ICS,
Compared to a Galaxy SIII Running stock JB my phone is embarassing.
I'm actually looking for a custom JB ROM for the Sensation that shows off Project Butter........still looking.
My Contract is up in Feb and I am seriously considering moving to a Windows 8 Phone, now that's a buttery interface.
I love Android but seriously. If a POS phone with half my Sensation Specs can run buttery smooth on Windows 8 then what the heck is going on with Android ?????
Cheers.
Marc.
MU2MARC said:
I love Android but seriously. If a POS phone with half my Sensation Specs can run buttery smooth on Windows 8 then what the heck is going on with Android ?????
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Well let me explain it to you this way:
Android runs all apps in Java whilst WP8 uses C#. Java is considerably slower and Dalvik doesn't help either.
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Here is a benchmark from Xobot OS, a C# derivative of Android. As you can see, the use of Dalvik and Java is the crippling cause of Android's sluggish performance.
Well...that makes sense.
Kingo64 said:
Well let me explain it to you this way:
Android runs all apps in Java whilst WP8 uses C#. Java is considerably slower and Dalvik doesn't help either.
Here is a benchmark from Xobot OS, a C# derivative of Android. As you can see, the use of Dalvik and Java is the crippling cause of Android's sluggish performance.
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Wow....Appreciate the Info, I had done some research into Java implementation on android, dug some article out comparing the iOS to Android for smoothness and explaining the differences in UI implementation, processor scheduling etc...
iOS is not that impressive either and how can it be, both OS's are UNIX/LINUX based and the only reason I can tell from what I have read is that Apple swings all its resources into action when a page compositing request has been sensed by the touchscreen or the thread handler prioritizes the GUI at that moment therefore iOS is not a true multitasking OS.
Either way, I have seen Buttery goodness, stock JB on the Galaxy SIII is extremely smooth compared to the Opensensation ROM I flashed, I replied to another comment earlier that I'm pretty sure the flash must not have taken as intended for it to be running so badly...
I did a factory wipe, flashed the ROM and the GAB files, reinstalled my apps from the playstore not backup, moved every app I could to the SD card to free up RAM, Made sure ' Force GPU for 2d rendering ' is selected, I'm using the Badass Governor and CFQ i/o scheduler....
And the GUI is jittery as hell, about the same as stock ICS overall....I JUST WANT MY BUTTER !!! LOL
I guess I will try and reflash and see if I can improve anything or try and find another custom ROM that runs project butter for comparison.
Cheers for the Reply.
First of all there's nothing wrong with Linux in itself..
I'm curious though why on earth Google went ahead and bought android if java has such poor performance, they must have tested it? Also, is java really just that bad? I've always thought java to be a POS, seems anything created in it is slow, bugged, and just really annoying, but then there are exceptions to that, so, what gives?
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Linux Giggle.
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First of all there's nothing wrong with Linux in itself..
I'm curious though why on earth Google went ahead and bought android if java has such poor performance, they must have tested it? Also, is java really just that bad? I've always thought java to be a POS, seems anything created in it is slow, bugged, and just really annoying, but then there are exceptions to that, so, what gives?
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Actually you are wrong Sir, there is plenty wrong with Linux LOL !!! Perspective is Key, there is a reason Linux doesn't dominate the OS marketplace......Linux serves a NERD driven market which is a microscopic percentage of the worldwide computer user base.
For the Nerds... Linux is awsome, I used to use Suse Enterprise myself so you won't hear me argue, however.....
Not everyone wishes to F with every minutae of making their OS work, this applies even more strongly to Android also, simply put your everyday user couldn't give a fart in the wind about what makes it all work, instead, it should compete evenly with other mobile OS's out there and put simply, the amount of hardware required to make Android come even close is mindboggling bullsh*t.
That said, I still don't have an answer as to why a Galaxy S III running stock JB removes it's wang from it's underpants and plain urinates all over my Sensation as far as JB smoothness is concerned and I repeat, is there a JB ROM out there that actually performes the buttery goodness of a stock JB ROM ??
Cheers and Merry Christmas to all!
Mad
Only children under the age of 15 are forgiven for using "LOL".
I never said Linux was user friendly as an OS, I said there wasn't anything with Linux performance wise. K?
Also, CM10 works buttery good for me, yes, there are the RAM issues if you don't know how to manage apps properly, but that is just a package deal with this 2 year old phone.
It's fine for my part as I simply don't want crap like Facebook and weather apps running when I don't actively want to look at them.
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OMG LOL ! ( LoL )
Hr Kristian said:
Only children under the age of 15 are forgiven for using "LOL".
I never said Linux was user friendly as an OS, I said there wasn't anything with Linux performance wise. K?
Also, CM10 works buttery good for me, yes, there are the RAM issues if you don't know how to manage apps properly, but that is just a package deal with this 2 year old phone.
It's fine for my part as I simply don't want crap like Facebook and weather apps running when I don't actively want to look at them.
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You can forgive my ' LOL ' because it's Christmas and it's the right thing to do.
I didn't knock LINUX during my first post or in any reference made thereafter. As stated, I use to use it myself and back when I actually was 15 a friend of mine and I ran a couple of Quake 3 servers using LINUX simply because it was better than Windows.
I feel Google needs to divorce itself from JAVA if any meaningful performance gains are to be achieved, in the meantime my quest for butter will continue.
I thank you for allowing my 10th post, also:
I don't have facebook installed, I don't use weather or news and I have all unused apps disabled and every app I can move is on the SD card.
I compared my HTC Sensation JB to stock ICS on the wife's HTC Amaze, the Amaze is far smoother with GUI rendering. I am going to reflash to stock ICS today and will post my impressions.
Cheers and a Happy New Year to all !
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Hello my friends !
Anyone knows if flash feature is coming with mango?
Thank you
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highly doubtful since they are going all about HTML5 video on the web which is better in many ways.
but flash, your better off asking adobe for that answer.
hey maybe since so many API's are going to be released with mango maybe someone will make a plug-in for internet explorer or maybe also make a browser app that comes included with flash allready.
but with flash on the phone you really only want to use it with videos and some vids allready work on the phone since you have youtube for those type of videos, or you can do like i do sometimes.
i watch some revision3 videos and they have links to download the videos and i tap on the download on the video and it plays it automatically.
it briefly shows cannot download file for less than a sec. then it plays the video like any other video.
I would need flash not for playing video but to use websites flash made
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Adobe has confirmed that Flash will be coming to WP7. The main question is when. Probably after Mango as right now IE doesn't have plug-in support & HOPEFULLY that'll come with Mango. Just Google "Adobe Flash WP7" & you'll see multiple articles stating this.
Thank you i will check google
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It amazes me that people still go on about Flash on smartphones. Everyone slagged off Apple for not doing it on the iPhone but they have been proven right because Adobe have never released a version that runs well, even four years later.
If you really want Flash, get an Android phone and watch it go all slow and laggy when you hit a page with Flash content. It's just not worth the hassle.
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It amazes me that people still go on about Flash on smartphones. Everyone slagged off Apple for not doing it on the iPhone but they have been proven right because Adobe have never released a version that runs well, even four years later.
If you really want Flash, get an Android phone and watch it go all slow and laggy when you hit a page with Flash content. It's just not worth the hassle.
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I've never had a problem on an android phone with flash. Never had any lag what so ever. As long as the phone has the hardware to run it, it will not lag. This includes flash enabled websites. I had an HD2 and a MT4G with flash and they ran just fine with no lag on flash videos or flash enabled websites. And the HD7 has the hardware and capability to run flash and flash enabled content just fine without any lag.
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I've never had a problem on an android phone with flash. Never had any lag what so ever.
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Lmfao! The whole OS is littered with lag, especially the browser. Flash only makes it worse. Android is fast but not fluid which are two very different things, and when you compare it to iOS or WP7, it doesn't compare. Once I experienced the fluidity of Windows Phone, I knew I would never look back to Android again. As for flash within IE9/10 that's a good question and Microsoft said they have no immediate plans to support it but the majority of that responsibility really lies on Adobe so... As far as is currently known, there is no support coming for it. What I'd like to know is; would there be any adverse effects on browser performance like on Android.
Flash doesnt load on android anymore =]
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Lmfao! The whole OS is littered with lag, especially the browser. Flash only makes it worse. Android is fast but not fluid which are two very different things, and when you compare it to iOS or WP7, it doesn't compare. Once I experienced the fluidity of Windows Phone, I knew I would never look back to Android again. As for flash within IE9/10 that's a good question and Microsoft said they have no immediate plans to support it but the majority of that responsibility really lies on Adobe so... As far as is currently known, there is no support coming for it. What I'd like to know is; would there be any adverse effects on browser performance like on Android.
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Again, I'll say that I never had any lag with Android when I had it on the HD2 I had or on the MT4G I had. And they where both fast and lag free. Maybe because I used custom builds of Android that were built to be fast and lag free. Yes stock Android on most devices does have lag, even on the MT4G but once you root it and use a custom build that has all the junk removed, then it becomes fast and lag free. I'm not saying it's better than WP7 as I own a HD7, I like both for Android and WP7, I'm just saying that each os has it's pros and cons. So with that being said, if you have a good solid stable build of Android, then it doesn't lag with flash. And yes, only Adobe knows when they will have flash ready for WP7, so until then, we'll just have to be patient.
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Again, I'll say that I never had any lag with Android when I had it on the HD2 I had or on the MT4G I had. And they where both fast and lag free. Maybe because I used custom builds of Android that were built to be fast and lag free. Yes stock Android on most devices does have lag, even on the MT4G but once you root it and use a custom build that has all the junk removed, then it becomes fast and lag free. I'm not saying it's better than WP7 as I own a HD7, I like both for Android and WP7, I'm just saying that each os has it's pros and cons. So with that being said, if you have a good solid stable build of Android, then it doesn't lag with flash. And yes, only Adobe knows when they will have flash ready for WP7, so until then, we'll just have to be patient.
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No lag ever? Good for you. I used to have a Droid running CM7 and one day just got fed up with having to tweak everything to get it the way I wanted so much so that I was in recovery mode probably more than actually using it as a phone. It still lagged but I guess you could chock that one up to aged hardware, anyways I ended up throwing it at the wall hard enough to break the screen and the rest of the phone along with it and pretty much just said **** Android and **** Google they obviously don't know how to listen to their followers as people have been asking for some form of hardware acceleration to aid the lag since I don't know how long. Having to resort to custom ROMs to aid an issue that should've been fixed long ago is absolutely not an enjoyable experience for the average consumer. Oh and I just remembered, since IE mobile doesn't support plug-ins (I didn't hear anything about it for IE9 either) it's still up to Microsoft...
I call BS, I had a HD2, and tried literlly every Android rom I could find, SD and NAND version, yes some ran fast, but they all lag to some extent, and the browser is allways jumpy. Not that it was unusable by compared to iOS or WP7 the browser experiance is horrible. Its capable of doing more, but at the same time it is far more frustrating to use.
ETA: Friendly Signiture you have BTW...
Watch this video at about 4:40, you can hear that there is "no flash support" from a windows phone official.
http://www.youtube.com/user/pocketnowvideo#p/u/58/EWiKP18ijxE
Regards,
SL55
SL55 said:
Watch this video at about 4:40, you can hear that there is "no flash support" from a windows phone official.
http://www.youtube.com/user/pocketnowvideo#p/u/58/EWiKP18ijxE
Regards,
SL55
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cool demo....
SL55 said:
Watch this video at about 4:40, you can hear that there is "no flash support" from a windows phone official.
http://www.youtube.com/user/pocketnowvideo#p/u/58/EWiKP18ijxE
Regards,
SL55
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Where did you here that? One guy asked, "Can you talk about Flash support?" The MS guy said, "No talk about Flash support." In other words, they didn't want to give an official statement. That is a big difference between not talking about it & saying it's not coming.
So the questions is, are we going to support Flash in IE9 for Windows Phone
We are working with Adobe, but it has not yet been decided the last time I checked--part of that is Adobe is doing what they have to do and we're doing what we have to do. The last I checked the team is working with them but I don't think they have any announcement whether it's going to definitely work or not.
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Welcome to the
Extreme Legend™ Fuse - Custom Cyanogenmod 7 for the HTC Legend
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the theme used above is ICS cm7 mdpi theme by sonny from the Market
HOW TO INSTALL
1. Nandroid Backup
2. Wipe Data & Chache
3. Flash Fuse
4. Flash the GApps over it
5. FIRST BOOT will take a VERY long time. BE PATIENT. Everything will go alright, just leave it for the first boot
FEATURES
-Android 2.3.7 Gingerbread LATEST GINGERBREAD
-based on Cyanogenmod 7.1 Stable
-FASTT
-All the CM7 basics are included
-AOSP CM9 Music player fully working with DSP
-Super Responsive
-Ad Away is pre installed
-NO Signal Problem
-WIFI working 100 %
-GPS %Tested working on Google maps
-Mobile Data Works good
-Launcher Pro - Very SMOOTH !!
-Rom manager pre installed
-RESPONSIVE
-ThemeChooser
-CM7 kernel included (overclocked)
-Very Responsive if you use Widget Locker
-Quietly Rooted Bootanimation - Credit to Dr.Romca !!!
-More ICS apps intergration coming Soon!
-At least 10% faster than normal CM7, REMEMBER Quadrant score doesnt matter, the REAL Performance is what matters the most.
[MAR 4] info and changelog for Fuse 2:
-WIFI works
-GPS works
-Cool Dialer Lite included (t9 dialer)
-Rom manager included
-Launcher Pro as Default Launcher (noticeably faster than go launcher)
-Faster
-More responsive
-GB music player is added, CM9 ICS music player still there ( 100% working with DSP manager)
Make SURE you overclocked it untill 807 mHZ but not beyond that, to Give the BEST PERFORMANCE AND STABILITY
DOWNLOADS
Fuse 2 HERE
md5 sum coming later
Fuse HERE
Gapps HERE
IF you like what im cooking please hit the thanks button or rate the thread to da max and pls considering donate
ANY QUESTIONS or FEED BACKS FEEL FREE to ask here, then ill try to answer as fast as I can
Thanks You and Enjoy
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Welcome to the
Extreme Sensation™ Fuse
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You just hurt my eyes LOL isn't this rom called ExtremeLegend? or i'm wrong?
And please fix the screenshots, because I can't see them (maybe you should put it in the "Public" dropbox folder?)
Anyway I will try this ROM tomorrow
If I flash this is it possible to revert my apps, contact list and messages to this rom?
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Yes, I will, too, tomorrow
Cristian_berme said:
You just hurt my eyes LOL isn't this rom called ExtremeLegend? or i'm wrong?
And please fix the screenshots, because I can't see them (maybe you should put it in the "Public" dropbox folder?)
Anyway I will this ROM tomorrow
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Make SURE you overclocked it untill 807 mHZ but not beyond that, to Give the BEST PERFORMANCE AND STABILITY
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Whether or not an overclocked device is stable doesn't depend on a random number (like 807) but rather on the hardware – in our case the build quality of the CPU – itself. I for example can't even overclock to 7xx without having my device crash after a few seconds (a minute at best).
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At least 10% faster than normal CM7
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O rly? How's that? Voodoo?
ali ba said:
Whether or not an overclocked device is stable doesn't depend on a random number (like 807) but rather on the hardware – in our case the build quality of the CPU – itself. I for example can't even overclock to 7xx without having my device crash after a few seconds (a minute at best).
O rly? How's that? Voodoo?
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Well I've read a lot of ppl getting random reboots after 800 MHz mate so pls is that wrong giving a suggestion???? As l was ust trying that overclocking can cause stability issues, not rom.
And I have been using cm7 in my legend in using launcher pro and I think using go launcher is a tad smoother and more responsive is that wrong giving an opinion of what I feel about the Real Performance ? Not some voodoo scores from quadrant
Seriously mate, I'm just trying to give back to the legend community here so why choose to down talk me straight away?
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Stevemotto said:
If I flash this is it possible to revert my apps, contact list and messages to this rom?
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Yep very possible with tb pro for apps and just normal backup for contact and SMS
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zeubea said:
Yes, I will, too, tomorrow
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Cheers bud
sent from my beast HTC Sensation powered by my Extreme Senseless Blitz™ 7 with stock kernel.
More screenshots of fuse once I fully customized my phone I'll also list what themes i used
sent from my beast HTC Sensation powered by my Extreme Senseless Blitz™ 7 with stock kernel.
Delete pls
First boot after flashing Gapps zip will take a long time, for 5 mins it will seem like the phone is dead, as it wont turn on even when u try with power button, BUT RELAX, it will turn on in the next 5 mins so DONT worry now my legend is pretty smooth
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Yep very possible with tb pro for apps and just normal backup for contact and SMS
sent from my beast HTC Sensation powered by my Extreme Senseless Blitz™ 7 with stock kernel.
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The weird thing is that I don't get how titanium backup even works. Wouldn't titanium backup be wiped aswell when I flash a new rom or is that not how it works? Sorry bit of a noob in flashing more than 1 rom.
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The weird thing is that I don't get how titanium backup even works. Wouldn't titanium backup be wiped aswell when I flash a new rom or is that not how it works? Sorry bit of a noob in flashing more than 1 rom.
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Hehevyeah don't worry dude I was a newbie at first too
So this is how it works
When u open tb, go to batch and press backup apps
Then when u have a new rom just install tb again and press batch and restore user apps with data
Good luck
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Well I've read a lot of ppl getting random reboots after 800 MHz mate so pls is that wrong giving a suggestion???? As l was ust trying that overclocking can cause stability issues, not rom.
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The msm7k in our device was designed and manufactured to run at 600MHz. As far as my experience goes suggesting to overclock isn't really a good thing to do, because, as I said, whether your device is capable of running at a certain speed is dependent on the chipset itself.
I got various reports of users telling me that their device reboots as soon as they open a complex website and they never mentioned they overclocked it. Imagine how much fun debugging was (I literally scratched my head over this issue) until I finally found out it was their fault, not a bug in the JS engine.
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And I have been using cm7 in my legend in using launcher pro and I think using go launcher is a tad smoother and more responsive is that wrong giving an opinion of what I feel about the Real Performance ? Not some voodoo scores from quadrant
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Well, the perceived speed of the launcher doesn't make the device faster at all. Your games won't run smoother because you install a different launcher.
You claim that the overall device speed is faster (at least that's how I understood it) and I was simply curious on what facts you might base your statement.
You know, I'm always open to improvements in CM. Apparently this one won't make it in.
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Seriously mate, I'm just trying to give back to the legend community here so why choose to down talk me straight away?
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Whoa, stop right there. I was not talking you down at all. Please, read my post again.
ali ba said:
The msm7k in our device was designed and manufactured to run at 600MHz. As far as my experience goes suggesting to overclock isn't really a good thing to do, because, as I said, whether your device is capable of running at a certain speed is dependent on the chipset itself.
I got various reports of users telling me that their device reboots as soon as they open a complex website and they never mentioned they overclocked it. Imagine how much fun debugging was (I literally scratched my head over this issue) until I finally found out it was their fault, not a bug in the JS engine.
Well, the perceived speed of the launcher doesn't make the device faster at all. Your games won't run smoother because you install a different launcher.
You claim that the overall device speed is faster (at least that's how I understood it) and I was simply curious on what facts you might base your statement.
You know, I'm always open to improvements in CM. Apparently this one won't make it in.
Whoa, stop right there. I was not talking you down at all. Please, read my post again.
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Hey ali ba, are you by any chance working on any roms for the HTC Legend? Just curious~
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Hey ali ba, are you by any chance working on any roms for the HTC Legend? Just curious~
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Actually he is the guy who allowed legend users to have CM on their phone (Main programmer of CM on legend)
Nice Fail
Feeler thread for rom idea/ questions on developing from a complete noob.
MP3 DROID
Like many I have moved on from the og droid.
Like many I use the og droid as strictly mp3 and media.
just a modified rom to work best as a mp3 player. i have been working on perfecting the art of music player on my droid for a while now and I want to share my results. i think i came up with a wining combination of mods, apps, and software removals.
I want to share that sucess but I am a complete noob.
I just want to do something like nlite for windows. I want to do some basic things to a existing rom..
what kitchen is recomended? I have read many noobie guides and stuff and I am not strong on coding.. I took c+ years ago. and only used to dable in cgi and html. what is a good guide for this kind of undertaking?
can some one help me with this. The droid is dead. the mp3 droid will not be dead.
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SO mp3 droid is ...
goals.
battle the low ram capacity of the phone.
.no frills or flashy eye candy. simple. modern and so fast. insane fast. you are going to wish the og droid performed like this as a phone!
.so quick and easy that the interface resembles an ipod and anyone from monkeys to grandmas will be able to easily play music.
.batter life? whats that. holy gosh forgetting to charge is not a big deal anymore?
plans / planned
based off of a extreemly fast and stable FROYO version of bugless beast from pete. http://www.peteralfonso.com/
Chevy nova kernel ultra low volt 900 stock with slight modification
all non esential apks removed! I have gutted 70% and this phone blazes!(this makes the big dif in speed)
all phone essential services disabled and striped.
airplane mode with wifi.
only one screen on the launcher (launcher will be zeeam for sure (uses least ram)
higher dpi than stock.
no app drawer
no lock screen
music widget (froyomusic mod) takes up 3 out of 4 rows.
4th row (launcher bar) will list all the apps (will come with rockbox, music mod, album art catcher, opera beta, maybe sticher, listen, tunein radio. I am open to any suggestions that will give the best music experience. streamin google player is obviously out due to most peoples droids not having 3g data. I have tried a lot of music players. music mod is the best on this platform on this device. i would love double twist or winamp but double twist has issues and winamp is just a horrible linux port that will eat up your droids ram like a cookie monster on steroids.
in essence this is the main version of mp3 droid. just a modified rom to work best as a mp3 player. i have been working on perfecting the art of music player on my droid for a while now and I want to share my results. i think i came up with a wining combination of mods, apps, and software removals.
version 2 will be
bb (any fast rom) even more super lightened.
ROCK BOX http://www.rockbox.org/
will be the only thing that will run. on top of the rom.
it will run from boot of rom
essentially a ported rock box player ported as the main os
of course it would make me a lot happier to not even use android at all and get a bootable version of rockbox working on this device. rock box is open source and works on a lot of devices I just dont know what this would entail.
video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HedLoOSsDV0
hey just uploaded a quick video so you can see the speed and overall look first hand..
sorry for sideways and quality. lack there of. apologize for my sleepiness as well. overall sorry video. but good rendition of speed i am acheiving with the setup.
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video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HedLoOSsDV0
hey just uploaded a quick video so you can see the speed and overall look first hand..
sorry for sideways and quality. lack there of. apologize for my sleepiness as well. overall sorry video. but good rendition of speed i am acheiving with the setup.
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That actually does look quite fast. While I can't help you with developing a ROM, I can tell you it would be helpful to the rest of us if you told us what exactly you did... Looks fantastic
Indeed. it is extremely fast. the video does not even do it justice. I have never seen the og droid perform like this.
as far as what i have done the general idea is in my first post and a detailed walk through will follow shortly.
i will def post a detailed version of what i have done but it comes down to pretty much trial and error
well thats the definition of what i have done and plan to get ironed out into a rom. i have taken all the guess work out of finding the speediest apps, roms, kernels, home screens, etc,
i removed as many things as i could from the device that did not sacrafice reliablity or stability.
i am runing an older version of bugless beast. trial and error has shown this version to perform best on multiple droid 1s
i am running the newer chevy nova kernel 1000 ul clocked at 900.
i have lightened the phone by about 70 % will provide list or possibly a script or both of what apps you can safely remove.. afik
and I am running zeam with settings that provide the least ram usage
1 home screen
no visual effects
full screen.
everything i have done has been centered around increasing ram numbers.s
disabled data.
disabled 3g
set up airplane mode with wifi
removed lock screen
installed rock box port
running stock rom music player which is foryo music mod
said widget.
modified build.prop
higher dpi think i settled on 280
camera button is a hardware play/pause music button (buggy at the moment)
anyway like i said i will post full details so you can do this
or you can wait for the rom.
might be a while
progress with the rom is
downloaded android sdk
donloaded virtual box
instaled ubuntu
(i am runing dual boot laptop with Ubuntu really have started falling in love with vm since i tried out chrome os and os x lepord. i like how you can quickly pop into windows if you need to and its nice that you can setup a shared clipboard)
installed java
messed around with rockbox to see what you can customize visualy.
read about a few kitchens and reading up on how to compile your own rom as well as virtual device testing etc.
this is a diy learn as you go process so might be a while till u see an alpha.
I'd be willing to test this when you have a version available for download. I don't use my Droid for service, just as an iPod pretty much, so this would work great for me.
i would also be willing to test. i moved to a evo 3d but still have the og droid. this looks amazingly fast.
ElectroBeijing said:
I'd be willing to test this when you have a version available for download. I don't use my Droid for service, just as an iPod pretty much, so this would work great for me.
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Yes. I am suprised no one has started this project already. I wonder what percent of og users still use it as their everyday phone.
Well stay tuned and i will get a alpha up as soon as i figure stuff out.
Cool, I am excited to test this!
Also, do you think it'd be possible for you to make a flashable .zip or something that one could flash to almost any ROM on the Droid and remove all the phone related stuff and other bloat? [ I hope I don't sound demanding, it's just an idea I had, and unfortunately I don't have the skills to do it myself ]
I ask because while I like the MP3 Droid idea, there are some things I want to keep that are being taken out. Like, not too bare, but not loaded with unnecessary things either, you get what I mean?
I'm also interested in this rom!
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This looks great
I gave my OG to my little bro since I upgraded to the rezound and I'm sure he'll love this.
Sounds awesome so far. I've been messing with my OG as an mp3 player since I got my GalaxyNexus.
I loaded PE 4.2 and stripped out a lot of non essential items. I've been experimenting with the different music players so see which works best.
I would also be willing to be an alpha or beta tester for you.
I've rooted, flashed and tweaked my OG since the first week I've had it. It has been the same with my Xoom and Nexus. I'm confident enough that I've rooted and flashed many other devices for family and friends.
I've had offers from people to buy my Droid, but I just can't part with it. It will in my opinion be one of the best phones ever made.
So any help I can give is yours.
I would be willing to help with this where I can. I am not a developer, but I can do some basic things. Could definitely help creating a .zip for people to flash with everything removed/added/customized.
I want see this happen so badly. I'm using my Droid as a desk clock to play music. I am running a FroYo Bugless Beast with everything stripped except Settings, Market, SuperUser. From there I installed beautiful Widgets, Pandora, and Play Music.
Let me know if you need anything at all. Please make this happen!
Looks amazing!
By the way this is the current home screen on my D1.
Running Steel Droid 10 right now with Zeam Launcher. Now only if I can find an way to remove the phone signal on the status bar then it would be nearly perfect.
Just a suggestion, but it might be worthwhile to checkout deadbeef as well.
This is an awesome idea and exactly what I was looking for! I recently remosefully upgraded my phone to the Bionic (which I am quite pleased with) but, like everyone else on this thread, have no intentions of letting go of my Droid Classic. An MP3 player-type device (with GPS - tre' cool!) would be pretty awesome. So, if I can help with testing, whatever, I'm definitely up for that! Except for that annoyingly small amount of RAM issue, the Droid Classic (as I call it) may very well be the best phone ever made.
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...a detailed walk through will follow shortly...
...anyway like i said i will post full details so you can do this...
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As a matter of fact, if you can post the full details of how you got to where you are (I mean, what you took out of which older ROM you based this off of, so on & so forth) maybe I could help you with getting it to the alpha stage. Mostly because this is the exact type of thing I was looking to do with my Droid Classic (as I call it) and it works really awesomely well as an MP3 / media player. If I'm ambitious I might even make a derivative with GPS enabled for runners - so you've got your GPS app to track your run and your MP3 player to keep you entertained!
(My Droid Classic has made it through 4 half-marathons, 2 full marathons, and was caught outside with me in an absolute torrential downpour and is still playing media like a champ! It's too good to dispose of.)
Just got an old OG Droid myself from a friend (screen is fairly shattered but it's still functional - the GPS doesn't work at all, nada, no signal ever regardless of where I'm at, maybe the internal GPS cable came loose, no idea).
Is it possible to build a ROM for this thing without any phone code at all, meaning no mention of any phone capabilities, no dialer, etc? I've never gotten into "building" Android or directly creating my own ROMs but the idea of a pmpDroid (portable media player Droid, guess I should trademark that name, eh?) is damned interesting since that's all I currently use it for. I do intend to replace the outer body as it has a lot of cosmetic damage and also get a new battery, generally rebuild it over time as I acquire the replacement parts and of course a new glass/digitizer setup as well.
So basically something like the Samsung Galaxy Players use, a full Android experience but zero phone code - that's gotta be possible, right?
It is still an excellent device in spite of the shortcomings (video formats are kinda crappy, only Baseline h.264 support sadly) but overall it's definitely worth using as a PMP.
Is there any way to complete remove LG UI 3.0 and run pure Android UI ?
fmgeraldine said:
Is there any way to complete remove LG UI 3.0 and run pure Android UI ?
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In theory, yes. In practice, not a hope in hell
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In theory, yes. In practice, not a hope in hell
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LG UI is too heavy , too full of useless features, i want Google UI , hehehe.
fmgeraldine said:
LG UI is too heavy , too full of useless features, i want Google UI , hehehe.
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So .. put a different launcher on there, read the threads on battery optimization and remove the stuff that you don't want or need.
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So .. put a different launcher on there, read the threads on battery optimization and remove the stuff that you don't want or need.
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All things already done, try some launchers , battery life is good now, but , Google interface , still #1 for me . My friend buy an Razor i without MOTOBLUR and all of motorola things, the result : a ****ing awesome smooth phone. I dont know if its an interface gain or Jelly Bean gain, but is lighter, smoother and faster than all ive ever seen before.
Just wait for the JB update. Currently there is no way to completely remove the LG UI. If the unlocked bootloader comes with the update, there should be some AOSP roms shortly afterwards. Jelly Bean surely makes things a lot smoother due to the Butter improvements. But compared with other ICS phones our 4X is already quite smooth, and the LG UI seems to be a lot lighter than other manufacturer's modifications like TouchWiz or Sense.
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Just wait for the JB update. Currently there is no way to completely remove the LG UI. If the unlocked bootloader comes with the update, there should be some AOSP roms shortly afterwards. Jelly Bean surely makes things a lot smoother due to the Butter improvements. But compared with other ICS phones our 4X is already quite smooth, and the LG UI seems to be a lot lighter than other manufacturer's modifications like TouchWiz or Sense.
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Believe me ... Intel + motorola do an awesome work on their ROM , its lighter than iphone OS , serious ... JB AOSP is the lightest system ive ever see, im waiting JB like an child waits santa. Our 4x is much more powerful than Intel Atom on Razor i , our limitations are based on OS and UI 3.0 IMHO.
fmgeraldine said:
Believe me ... Intel + motorola do an awesome work on their ROM , its lighter than iphone OS , serious ... JB AOSP is the lightest system ive ever see, im waiting JB like an child waits santa. Our 4x is much more powerful than Intel Atom on Razor i , our limitations are based on OS and UI 3.0 IMHO.
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Motorola doesn't have AOSP as standard. If you look at their Motoblur it's also no "light" system. And I doubt that Intel is doing anything software-wise. But Motorola is going back towards a more AOSP-like system, and so has LG done. Compare it with the 2X (I've never had one, but you can read enough on it). I think it would be best if one could choose: Either manufacturer's UI with their improvements (e.g. LG's energy management or the "airplane-mode-off-without-PIN" feature) or AOSP. But that would be two systems to manage for the companys, so we won't get that. As said, when the unlocked bootloader comes, there will be custom roms for sure and then you can exchange the LG UI.
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Motorola doesn't have AOSP as standard. If you look at their Motoblur it's also no "light" system. And I doubt that Intel is doing anything software-wise. But Motorola is going back towards a more AOSP-like system, and so has LG done. Compare it with the 2X (I've never had one, but you can read enough on it). I think it would be best if one could choose: Either manufacturer's UI with their improvements (e.g. LG's energy management or the "airplane-mode-off-without-PIN" feature) or AOSP. But that would be two systems to manage for the companys, so we won't get that. As said, when the unlocked bootloader comes, there will be custom roms for sure and then you can exchange the LG UI.
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Sorry for that, when i said AOSP , i meant they coming with Google's native launcher.
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sorry are you kidding me apart from nexus phones the LG optimus 3.0 skin is the lightest skin outthere by MILES sony samsung and definitely HTC have much heavyer skinns on ther phones.
the only phones with lighter skins are phones with stock android and those can be counted on 1 hand.
The 4x is a pretty fast phone. I actually run mine on 640 MHz and it is still fast. U can't really notice anything lagging. Well if u play games but then I just turn it up to 1500mhz
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dante501 said:
The 4x is a pretty fast phone. I actually run mine on 640 MHz and it is still fast. U can't really notice anything lagging. Well if u play games but then I just turn it up to 1500mhz
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even on 1000 mhz it is fast enough to play shadowgun from tegrazone which only shows that current quad cores are more then fast enough for any app out there.
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even on 1000 mhz it is fast enough to play shadowgun from tegrazone which only shows that current quad cores are more then fast enough for any app out there.
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Exactly.
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guys , i just dont want the LG UI 3.0 , i prefer Google UI , so do i asked here ...
For the pure Google ui u either have to have a costume Rom or buy a nexus phone or tablet. That's just how it is.
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Ur question was answered. U can't remove the lg ui as if yet.
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I have removed current LG home screen app and using apex launcher..not because it ws not smooth because i needed more functions and i also got more free memory
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sorry are you kidding me apart from nexus phones the LG optimus 3.0 skin is the lightest skin outthere by MILES sony samsung and definitely HTC have much heavyer skinns on ther phones.
the only phones with lighter skins are phones with stock android and those can be counted on 1 hand.
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Wind your neck in, or reconsider how you write things please. :banghead:
I never said ANYTHING about the UI, I actually quite like it (other than than fact that you can't customise it enough). I simply offered the OP a suggestion to change the original UI that she doesn't like and to make the phone faster by removing apps.
To remove LG lock screen :-
1-Go to (/system/build.prop) and open it as a text file .
2-Go to line .
ro.lge.capp_lockscreen=true
And change it to :-
ro.lge.capp_lockscreen=false
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Dude that's pretty cool. Just one thing. Mine has a grey bar at the bottom about 20 px tall. Does yours? If not what is causing it? Thanks
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Dude that's pretty cool. Just one thing. Mine has a grey bar at the bottom about 20 px tall. Does yours? If not what is causing it? Thanks
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Sorry my device is "Optimus 3D" and it doesn't have this problem , I thing it's because of resolution (my device 800 x 480) and yours is 1280 x 720 .
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OK so I know everybody had different experiences but I thought I'd share mine and see what others are experiencing .....
Currently running Multirom
Primary -- Android N
Secondaries Tried -- Pure Nexus, Stock Lite, UberStock, and couple others
The N ROM is just a bit buggy and although there are apparently work arounds I can't get many apps to work. Fairly fluid but not "snappy".
Stock Lite has interestingly been the most steady but requires Cat mod to get the bare minimum Moss that I like.
Weirdly enough despite Pure Nexus being so popular, it and a few other AOSP builds have just not been as reliable. I just got a phone call on PN and the screen wouldn't come on until several power button pushes.
UberStock was snappy but it just irritates me to not have a text percentage battery.
The CM builds of various authors usually have their bugs.
Any thoughts? Or share experiences ..... Not necessarily of a specific ROM but more of thoughts Stock, vs AOSP, vs CM etc
Certainly don't want to insult any developers .... Their shared work is appreciated
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OK so I know everybody had different experiences but I thought I'd share mine and see what others are experiencing .....
Currently running Multirom
Primary -- Android N
Secondaries Tried -- Pure Nexus, Stock Lite, UberStock, and couple others
The N ROM is just a bit buggy and although there are apparently work arounds I can't get many apps to work. Fairly fluid but not "snappy".
Stock Lite has interestingly been the most steady but requires Cat mod to get the bare minimum Moss that I like.
Weirdly enough despite Pure Nexus being so popular, it and a few other AOSP builds have just not been as reliable. I just got a phone call on PN and the screen wouldn't come on until several power button pushes.
UberStock was snappy but it just irritates me to not have a text percentage battery.
The CM builds of various authors usually have their bugs.
Any thoughts? Or share experiences ..... Not necessarily of a specific ROM but more of thoughts Stock, vs AOSP, vs CM etc
Certainly don't want to insult any developers .... Their shared work is appreciated
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running pure nexus myself. generally, I like staying with aosp builds. but, user experience can be heavily effected by whatever the user installs or mods. like your power button issue, that can happen because of an app, a theme, or a mod. not because the ROM doesn't like it, but becauseany apps, themes, or mods are not made by professionals, but by amateurs.
stock, I usually am on for the first hour to a max of a couple days after getting a nexus. then its usually an aosp build. CM, or CM based ROMs I stay very far away from. I used to be the biggest CM fanboy years ago, but CM is not the CM that used to be. now they are different, as are their goals.
stock+xposed+gravity box and other modules? you don't really need custom roms anymore, having said that I prefer aosp, cm not even once
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stock+xposed+gravity box and other modules? you don't really need custom roms anymore, having said that I prefer aosp, cm not even once
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Do you ever have or feel like xposed slows things down .....? It's been a while since I've tried
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running pure nexus myself. generally, I like staying with aosp builds. but, user experience can be heavily effected by whatever the user installs or mods. like your power button issue, that can happen because of an app, a theme, or a mod. not because the ROM doesn't like it, but becauseany apps, themes, or mods are not made by professionals, but by amateurs.
stock, I usually am on for the first hour to a max of a couple days after getting a nexus. then its usually an aosp build. CM, or CM based ROMs I stay very far away from. I used to be the biggest CM fanboy years ago, but CM is not the CM that used to be. now they are different, as are their goals.
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Thanks
have all these modules working on pure nexus, snappy as usual
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Since the introduction of Lollipop, I really haven't felt the need to flash a custom ROM.
Stock ROM has always worked great for me, I use root for a few things like Greenify and Xposed, but I stopped using those as well.
On my N6:
Stock ROM - Best so far. Sometimes I don't even use root. Excellent battery life, no bugs and great performance.
PureNexus - Great ROM, however the CMTE version was a bit buggy when I used it. No disrespect to the devs, they're doing an excellent job.
CyanogenMod - My second choice, always. Nightly builds are stable in most ways, I'm using one right now and it's working great with a custom theme and a few mods installed.
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I used to be the biggest CM fanboy years ago, but CM is not the CM that used to be. now they are different, as are their goals.
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Can you elaborate a bit on this?
Everything seems the same to me.
I got my Nexus last year. I ran several kind of custom roms. Most of them dont last longer then a few hours. The one i am using the most and always go back to is Lite Rom. It has everything that i need and is stable, good battery life and just works. Sometimes i feel like the builders just try to put too many things into the rom and it can be confusing. I like to keep it simple and clean.
@murtaza02: I'm not @simms22, but I can provide some insight here. Back before Android hit version 4, Cyanogenmod was "king of custom ROMs". They were on the cutting edge, with lots of features that simply weren't available in Google's stock Android. This was done not for money, but out of love of Android. A few years ago they incorporated and now offer a commercial alternative to Android. Afterward they pretty much stopped innovating, especially after the Focal fiasco.
Cyanogenmod strayed from its roots, looking to get paid money rather than respect.
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@murtaza02: I'm not @simms22, but I can provide some insight here. Back before Android hit version 4, Cyanogenmod was "king of custom ROMs". They were on the cutting edge, with lots of features that simply weren't available in Google's stock Android. This was done not for money, but out of love of Android. A few years ago they incorporated and now offer a commercial alternative to Android. Afterward they pretty much stopped innovating, especially after the Focal fiasco.
Cyanogenmod strayed from its roots, looking to get paid money rather than respect.
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Yes I recall during the time that this was going on there were several very heated discussions that took place here on XDA. The bottom line though 4 those of us not in the know basically I just noticed that cm ROMs definitely changed
Once they incorporated is when the innovation stopped, as that is when they changed focus away from what brought them to the attention of everyone in the Android community. Instead of making a "better" Android, they settled for simply making Android. The Focal fiasco cost them, in that they lost many of their freelance developers, and lost a lot of respect from the community at large.
To this day I don't put Cyanogenmod on my devices, because Cyanogenmod left the building a long time ago.
To be honest I stopped using CM and CM based roms years ago. While it has a little o do with their business model it was mostly due to the fact that there are bugs that have been around for years that were never fixed. Then they merge in code without testing it which has been known to cause huge issues.
I prefer roms built from AOSP which there are very few. I also never go for what is popular. To be honest to many people are sheep and follow the crowd. (yes even in android) I prefer to try some out and make up my own mind. And then I stick with it.
Honestly, I ditched Cyanogenmod because they stopped being innovative. It goes hand in hand with them incorporating, because the profit motive overrides everything else. Profit first, last, and always.