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Windows CE User Interface on Blackstone ?

Since Windows Mobile is based on Windows CE 5 and the resolution is 800x480, is it possible to get the UI of WinCE working on the Blackstone ?
With start menu and such things like Windows XP.
Thanx anyway
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Probably a better idea to ask in the Blackstone rom forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=453
But at I guess I think the answer is... In principle yes...
People have ported parts of other roms to the blackstone
have a look into how they achieved it

This is posible/notposible.
There was/is a developement on the Xperia forum.
Windows CE did show up, but when trying to boot the GUI it freezed all the time.
Probably cause of memory or whatsoever....
Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=490180

xmoo said:
This is posible/notposible.
There was/is a developement on the Xperia forum.
Windows CE did show up, but when trying to boot the GUI it freezed all the time.
Probably cause of memory or whatsoever....
Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=490180
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Hi Xmoo, Hope all's well
the original poster is after windws ce (WINCE)
not windows 3 / dos
which should save on emulation or crosss coding
as long as the're after wince v5 the porting should be minimal
I read somewhere about requests for wince 6.1
but U think that got no where

with the non free non public only manufactor program platform builder it could happen
and I've tried devices which ran on win ce 5 and it's the most finger unfriendly thing in the world
and even if it looks more like normal windows all apps you run are still the way they are
on pocketpc
not a good path plus ce don't natively support phone so it would end up as an incompable barstad ½ windows mobile ½ windows ce

Thanx for the answers allready.
i use Remote desktop on my Blackstone and it looks awesome that is why i wanted to use WinCE .

another problem with ce is that you start progs by doubleclik
and you can also move progs and shortcuts by dragging
and in most cases when you try and start programs you drag them too
makes for a very confusing desktop fast

Rudegar said:
another problem with ce is that you start progs by doubleclik
and you can also move progs and shortcuts by dragging
and in most cases when you try and start programs you drag them too
makes for a very confusing desktop fast
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that sounds bad but do you think it is possible to have the UI working on a windows mobile device ?

yes as I say in my first post it's theoretically possible

Xerox Parc
Does anybody really want this?
I've been working on and off on VJSihaya, but recently kind of talked myself out of the usefulness of it... These days, everyone wants finger friendly interfaces.
VJSihaya on the Blackstone looks beautiful, but you've got to be very much in the mood for pixel/2pixel accuracy, eg for window resizing etc. I don't find that difficult, and I also plan to implement some helpful UI tricks to get around this, eg the interface zoom that can be seen in VJVirtualMouseWinFX, but ultimately, although the Desktop OS style interface looks novel on a phone, is it really helpful on a 3-4inch screen?
I personally love using VJSihaya, it's great for multitasking, but I think I'm the kind of guy that actually prefers the stylus, except when I'm making babies, smoking and drinking smoothies all at the same time, in which case a fat finger interface helps (so she tells me )
VJSihaya on Blackstone:
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VJVirtualMouseWinFX interface zoom:
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vijay555 said:
I've been working on and off on VJSihaya, but recently kind of talked myself out of the usefulness of it... These days, everyone wants finger friendly interfaces.
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I don't think it is useless, I personally would love it!

Would you please stop talking about this stuff and just relase it already?
Also, can you ensure it will work on WM2003 and plain Windows CE 4.2/5.0 devices? It may be even more useful on those. Especially with all these WinCE netbooks based on the nvidia tegra platform that are coming out. It would certainly be useful on a large netbook screen.

vijay I honestly, honestly love it, please release it! If nothing else there might be 10EU in it!

If you build it...
The GUI parts of VJSihaya work on all versions of Windows Mobile/Pocket PC (even the old ones), but unfortunately the more OS-y stuff, like bluetooth connnections, wifi toggling etc, is currently WM5+ compatible only, because WM5 unified control of some of this stuff and supporting older PPC3 generation hardware requires per device tinkering.
A release version, if and when it ever comes, will probably be component-ised so that people can run the GUI without having to run the non compatible parts.
However, a fairly big breakthrough I had a few months back (Twitter), which has held back VJSihaya for a long time, has yet to be tested for compatibility with WM6.5. I'm only slowly getting myself into WM6.5 as I'm waiting for a final rom, I'm still having some incompatibilities with the current "pre-release" roms
As some of you may know, I'm going to be finding myself with a good deal more time on my hands shortly [anybody want to hire a Lawyer who knows a lot about computers, or vice versa, to do WM consulting, coding, or general whoring?], so hopefully VJSihaya can finally expose her jubblies (do non-English English speakers know what that means?).
I still maintain though - do you really want a teeny tiny but sexy looking GUI? I strongly recommend anyone who thinks that they do download one of my screenshots and "try" it out on real hardware, to see what it really entails. It looks nice, but it's not thumb friendly! It's a huge amount of work to develop something that's just going to be a pretty gimmick but ultimately not very useful!
It should also be noted, that the above mentioned tweet heralds quite a few new GUI innovations that will make their way into VJSihaya and probably some other specifically thumb friendly GUI replacements. So my "downer" on VJSihaya is not all bad news.
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PS TFGBD: I see you have a Casio BE. Did you by any chance every download any of the shell replacements based on the older Kernels, that came with source code? I've tried finding them for years, but never got them.

vijay555 said:
The GUI parts of VJSihaya work on all versions of
PS TFGBD: I see you have a Casio BE. Did you by any chance every download any of the shell replacements based on the older Kernels, that came with source code? I've tried finding them for years, but never got them.
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I assume you mean stuff like Dic's BEshell which is basically a clone of the Pocket PC shell including aygshell rewritten from scratch. Amazing guy, that Dic. Sadly, I don't think he ever released the source code. :/ I tried to contact him years ago but the email listed in his aygshell was bouncing. It seems like he fell off the face of the earth.
May I ask why you are interested?

It is very possible:
http://www.nuerom.com/BlogEngine/post/2009/03/08/CE-5-Explorer-is-getting-there-Really!.aspx
dwizzy130

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Moved to rom development forum

vijay555 said:
Does anybody really want this?
I've been working on and off on VJSihaya, but recently kind of talked myself out of the usefulness of it... These days, everyone wants finger friendly interfaces.
VJSihaya on the Blackstone looks beautiful, but you've got to be very much in the mood for pixel/2pixel accuracy, eg for window resizing etc. I don't find that difficult, and I also plan to implement some helpful UI tricks to get around this, eg the interface zoom that can be seen in VJVirtualMouseWinFX, but ultimately, although the Desktop OS style interface looks novel on a phone, is it really helpful on a 3-4inch screen?
I personally love using VJSihaya, it's great for multitasking, but I think I'm the kind of guy that actually prefers the stylus, except when I'm making babies, smoking and drinking smoothies all at the same time, in which case a fat finger interface helps (so she tells me )
VJSihaya on Blackstone:
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WANT!

It is possible to run Win 95 on a ppc.
I can't post the link here, but if you're interested just post a reply and i will send a link..

Jerbo said:
It is possible to run Win 95 on a ppc.
I can't post the link here, but if you're interested just post a reply and i will send a link..
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Reply...

thoughts

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was an interesting read....and i feel i've been through the same cycle! one very distinct feeling is why the device doesnt behave the way its defined on paper. with all the specs, the galaxy s should literally be flying, but somehow isnt the case.....its most probably the file system, or who knows could be lack of optimization from samsung's side on the drivers or adaptation.
Froyo update comes with a load of expectations and i must say im not as excited as i hoped to be with the leaked builds. they seem very mediocre in terms of what was expected. seems more like a features update build rather than a build aimed at really "stepping up the game" by bringing in some real optimizations and performance enhancements.
anyway, only time will tell and i hope samsung will do a good job in keeping this huge fanbase that they've created happy!

I have the same feeling with you my friend only a little bit worse.
I'm almost disappointed from my decision in buying this phone. My previous phones were HTC diamond and HTC HD2 which I still have and apart from the screen which is obviously better in galaxy s, android and the processor everything else is worse compared with HD2 and if you see here the first video for desire HD I believe you will also have the same feeling.
The software that comes with galaxy S is very poor and even useless (worse than OEM). I have the phone for a month now and I have deleted nearly everything that samsung has to offer and still haven't decided what widgets to put in my screen. Wouldn't have this problem with HTC sense.
Another thing that I'm very disappointed and I don't see anyone talking about it is the crappy camera which although the video is very good, when you try to take a picture (in good light conditions) and zoom a little bit on that picture you'll see that picture quality is very low and you could only compare it to a 2MP picture. (Its the worse camera I've ever seen, even diamond with 3,2MP camera took better pictures).
Also I can't believe that a multi national corporation like samsung cannot come up with a fix for the GPS and get rid of RFS. I'm using now JPH and I can tell you that lagfix is a must. (I think they don't care)
I new that samsung's phones (look Omnia and Omnia 2) were not to good softwarewise, but I bought this phone because I had no other choice as I could not compare it to desire at that time. Now I think it would be better if I bought desire.
This is definitely the only samsung phone I'll ever own and won't bother to look again in what samsung has to offer even if it had a quad core processor.
I hope I was not too boring and if someone has a different opinion I would love to hear it.

it took 6 weeks to get my phone back from repair >.<
In my case I started off needing a new phone badly, as in Now! immediately, as my last HTC phone was on its last legs, the fault was not hardware but Windows Mobile, I just couldn't stand the crap any more.
So, I decided I'll bodly go where no human under the reign of Microsoft has gone before, and found HTC Desire it was all cool and nice, until i started to see the huge list of defects and all the bugs it had, it felt like a mirage in a desert..
Meanwhile searching for bugs fixes and ways to patch up the HTC Desire i came up to this sweeeeeeet review comparison of Desire vs. Galaxy S (all links on my siggy), and i simply ran back to the store and demanded an exchange and i grabbed the Galaxy S. it was the i9000 UK model (3 button working), it was on its early incarnation of crappy ROMs, but the ROM "releases" leaked ROM we so often that it kept me fun and entertained for a few weeks, the GPS was not a total disaster, it at least was able to get a lock under 30sec accuracy was horrible though, with each passing firmware seemed it got better, then Bell Canada announced a NAM version of the SGS i couldn't be happier, quickly i setup a local Ad to sell the UK version, and picked up the Galaxy S Vibrant i9000m, joy joy joy
Because now i can get 3G every where, with the UK version i was only getting 3G on surface level or places close to windows.
Unfortunately a bad trade off, to my dismay i found this unit had the 3 buttons disabled, and that week was leaked the Froyo firmware, and i decided to flash it even with the 3 button disabled phone.... "i have a feeling" (BEP).... and yeap surely enough my guts were right, the damn flash pouched and it failed, and i got the horrible phone-!-pc screen looking at me.
nothing i could do, so i had to return the phone the 2nd day it was released they ran out of new units, as it was the 2nd day of the launch day in Canada, and i did not see it until 6 weeks later.
before i killed it with froyo i did get a chance to play around a bit with the GPS on JG9 and it was waaaay better than the UK version of the phone accuracy was pretty close, it was not jumping all over the place, that was a huge improvement from my point of view.
so after sending my brand new 1 day old SGS back to repair, i had to fall back to my arch nemesis HTC running Microsoft demons... 3 days later i got fed up again and set myself on a new quest and hit every single store carrying the Bell SGS, and testing every phone i was able to and finally after the 5th day i found a unit that had the 3 buttons enable.
bought it right away, ran home quickly upgraded it to JH2 and unlocked it... it was a major relieve.
and since then i've been reaping in the rewards and now i have over 410+ apps installed according to my AppBrain Sync account.
and i learned to keep the bootup process, first thing i did was to remove the media scan
then each time i installed a new app i'll open my Boot manager app and kill anything new added to the boot list
just doing that alone, it was enough to keep the phone running stock without the need of the much feared One Click Lag fix, which i've been reading it's causing more problem than what it solves specially for people running the Vibrant models.
GPS in JH2 was magnificent it gets quick locks in 5~10 sec vs. 10~30 sec on JG9 accuracy is about the same, depends on weather/area and also the sampling rate configure to use on the GPS app.
So in the irony of things this is the first phone that have ever lived up to my expectations.
i can really be in a conversation in middle of a street, some one would ask me something, and i can now easily pull out the answer from the SGS in seconds, browsing is so quick and fast, apps are fast, everything i need to look up runs as soon as i click it.
this is what mobile information is supposed to be, available immediately at your fingertips.
the camera is awesome, takes great picture in day and night, my old HTC phones picture quality were not as good.
and the best thing is i can truely work mobile now, i can have all my 10+ IM accounts online 7+ emails accounts active, lots of great apps for scheduling and alerts
and i can remote in to office/home/clients via RDP and VNC and FTP and SSH and whatever else they happens to be running and do my work from any where i happen to be standing by.
Oh! best of all, i can now be all the time on XDA on my favorite browser... still not used to the XDA App it's not as natural
Good job Samsung
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I'm not affiliated in any way or manner with Samsung or Bell or anybody else, i was not one of the lucky one that got the free phone, i actually quite pissed they took 6 weeks to repair my first phone, and making my purchase a 2nd phone.
but that was Bell fault not Samsung, but Samsung is at fault too for listening to Bell and disabling the 3 button mode to prevent us from unlocking the phone and rooting the phone
which by the way we only did it in 3 weeks time, it serves you right Bell

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[Q] Switching from an iPhone 4

Hey everybody. I'm very new to Android and have been using the iPhone the past 3 years. I bought an iPhone 4 a month ago off an upgrade from my 3G at the Apple Store. I would like to switch to the Samsung Captivate. What is the best way to do this? Can I use the Captivate on the same 2-year contract? And are you former-iPhone users happy you made the switch? Thanks guy. This is an awesome site and even though I haven't had an Android device I follow this forum and can't wait to put all the sweet mods on my Captivate to make it much faster than the iPhone!

Captivate
Yes I had the iPhone 4 I return it and purchased the Samsung captivate I am much happier with the Samsung captivate over the iPhone 4 the fact that you can change everything on the phone is awesome you can have a custom launcher custom icon and a custom lock screen *in my opinion the samsung captivate is far superior to the iPhone 4*

i believe you have to do it within 30 days.

If you're willing to pay full price for the Captivate, yes you can use it with your current data plan. You can call AT&T and have them change it to the non-iPhone plan or just have the sales guy do it at the store...but I'm pretty sure they cost the same.
As far as being happy I made the switch...hell yes. I couldn't stand the restrictions that had been placed on the iOS software. It annoyed me to no end that in order to simply change the colors of something, or move icons around I had to circumvent security measures that had been put in place (jailbreaking)...which then led to a ferocious battle with an Apple "Genius" who physically broke my phone while "repairing" it and then blamed the USB hardware error on my jailbreaking software, and Apple sending me to a different Apple store to get a refurbished phone as I called and confirmed that the hardware error I was getting could NOT be caused by jailbreaking. I'd had enough. Not to mention everyone in an Apple store at any given time looks like a hardcore douche.
I love the openness of Android. I had a G1 back in the day but broke it, and didn't have enough money to buy a new one...but I had a contract renewal with ATT which is how I ended up with an iPhone. It feels great to be able to do whatever I want with my phone. I thoroughly enjoy learning about the inner workings of Android and flashing different ROMs, etc.
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Thanks for all the responses guys. I think I'm going to be happy switching to the Android. Another question - what about music? How does that work with the Android devices. I know it's based off an expandable SD card, but is there like an iTunes alternative to sync my music and transfer the music? Also, once I do the switch I am definetely going to root the device and apply one of the new Roms that take the AT&T crap out and make it run faster. I am VERY familiar with jailbreaking the iPhone, I have been doing it ever since 2.2.1. Is it as easy to learn how to root as it is to jailbreaking? Thanks guys

syncing music
There's an app called DoubleTwist that's supposed to be equivalent to what iTunes would do on the iPhone (without the store, anyway.) I've tried it but haven't had a lot of luck yet...probably due to peculiarities in my environment.
If you know where the media files are supposed to go on the device, it should be as simple as copying them to it over USB.
The Captivate does come with 16 GB on its "internal SD card," so the SD card is optional for that

you can download music directly to your phone and save the hassle of syncing with at computer..
and best part is most of the time its free, but there really isn't much of a market yet, but you can download any mp3 file you wanted and its not tied down to iTunes.

Thanks for all the answers guys. I will look into Doubletwist. Also, last question lol (I promise) - I love the look of plain regular Vannila Android, is it possible to get that on a Captivate?

King Shady said:
Thanks for all the answers guys. I will look into Doubletwist. Also, last question lol (I promise) - I love the look of plain regular Vannila Android, is it possible to get that on a Captivate?
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Not yet. But you can use an alternative home screen program such as ADW Launcher or Launcher Pro. These programs run on top of your operating system and changer the user interface to pretty much anything you want
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App

I had an iphone 3G, 3GS and 4. The Captivate is a better device than all of them in almost every regard. The only things that the iPhone 4 has over the Samsung Captivate are:
Better Camera with Flash
Working GPS
Better games (my opinion)
Better music player UI
You can get a few different launchers for the Captivate that work pretty well. I use LauncherPro. It's not stock Android but it gets rid of a lot of the TouchWiz.
And it's very customizable.
I am happy with the switch to Android. If I don't keep it it's only due to the GPS issues and I will move on to a different Android device.

Zysoclaplem said:
I had an iphone 3G, 3GS and 4. The Captivate is a better device than all of them in almost every regard. The only things that the iPhone 4 has over the Samsung Captivate are:
Better Camera with Flash
Working GPS
Better games (my opinion)
Better music player UI
You can get a few different launchers for the Captivate that work pretty well. I use LauncherPro. It's not stock Android but it gets rid of a lot of the TouchWiz.
And it's very customizable.
I am happy with the switch to Android. If I don't keep it it's only due to the GPS issues and I will move on to a different Android device.
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I was with you up until the games (which I understood to be an opinion) and the Music UI. In my opinion the music app that samsung provides is more than adequate and considering the controls in the lockscreen with the slide down disc to change songs and in the notification bar. Not too mention the array of EQ features and 5.1 channel output it definitely trumps the iphone.
But of course that is subjective

I am about to come back to the captivate from the iphone 4. I always go back to the iphone to stop my love for hacking and modifying the phones general purpose. The captivate is a great phone on att as far as android goes. The ui helps alot of iphone users to adjust for the simple fact that it mimics ios. You know I did go back to the iphone this last time because I got my captivate cheap on craigslist and made a killin to buy an iphone outright. I got the iphone 4 because of flash and front facing camera. After a month with it Ive just come to the conclusion that I dont even like the flash and I dont use face time enough to justify the cause. I really wish I had sprint cause my ideal device is the evo(led notify and front camera) but I get a great deal through work with att so the captivate is just a better 3GS IMO!

King Shady said:
Hey everybody. I'm very new to Android and have been using the iPhone the past 3 years. I bought an iPhone 4 a month ago off an upgrade from my 3G at the Apple Store. I would like to switch to the Samsung Captivate. What is the best way to do this? Can I use the Captivate on the same 2-year contract? And are you former-iPhone users happy you made the switch? Thanks guy. This is an awesome site and even though I haven't had an Android device I follow this forum and can't wait to put all the sweet mods on my Captivate to make it much faster than the iPhone!
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I'll trade you my Captivate for your iphone4 anyday!!

krazyphire said:
I was with you up until the games (which I understood to be an opinion) and the Music UI. In my opinion the music app that samsung provides is more than adequate and considering the controls in the lockscreen with the slide down disc to change songs and in the notification bar. Not too mention the array of EQ features and 5.1 channel output it definitely trumps the iphone.
But of course that is subjective
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Seriously?? You think Android has better games than iphone?? What are you smoking??

derek4484 said:
Seriously?? You think Android has better games than iphone?? What are you smoking??
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First of all I don't take well to condescension. So I'm not "smoking" anything. Subjective being the key word, I prefer playing emulators of games I like with the gba/psx emulator rather than cutesy games about cooking or herding sheep. Just me

I also had the iPhone 4(returned it also), as well as every other iPhone...So after 3+ years of ios and iPhones, Im very happy I made the switch to android and the captivate and will never go back.
When I did have my iPhones and ios I had them jailbroken...and I still think Android and the captivate is mucher better. Stock vs stock and rooted vs jailbroken!
One really big thing that I like and enjoy android so much more is the community! Android people are awesome and always wiling to help out!!!

try zeam also both lp an adw are good but zeam is light and simple

[Q] mp3 droid rom idea

Feeler thread for rom idea/ questions on developing from a complete noob.
MP3 DROID
Like many I have moved on from the og droid.
Like many I use the og droid as strictly mp3 and media.
just a modified rom to work best as a mp3 player. i have been working on perfecting the art of music player on my droid for a while now and I want to share my results. i think i came up with a wining combination of mods, apps, and software removals.
I want to share that sucess but I am a complete noob.
I just want to do something like nlite for windows. I want to do some basic things to a existing rom..
what kitchen is recomended? I have read many noobie guides and stuff and I am not strong on coding.. I took c+ years ago. and only used to dable in cgi and html. what is a good guide for this kind of undertaking?
can some one help me with this. The droid is dead. the mp3 droid will not be dead.
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SO mp3 droid is ...
goals.
battle the low ram capacity of the phone.
.no frills or flashy eye candy. simple. modern and so fast. insane fast. you are going to wish the og droid performed like this as a phone!
.so quick and easy that the interface resembles an ipod and anyone from monkeys to grandmas will be able to easily play music.
.batter life? whats that. holy gosh forgetting to charge is not a big deal anymore?
plans / planned
based off of a extreemly fast and stable FROYO version of bugless beast from pete. http://www.peteralfonso.com/
Chevy nova kernel ultra low volt 900 stock with slight modification
all non esential apks removed! I have gutted 70% and this phone blazes!(this makes the big dif in speed)
all phone essential services disabled and striped.
airplane mode with wifi.
only one screen on the launcher (launcher will be zeeam for sure (uses least ram)
higher dpi than stock.
no app drawer
no lock screen
music widget (froyomusic mod) takes up 3 out of 4 rows.
4th row (launcher bar) will list all the apps (will come with rockbox, music mod, album art catcher, opera beta, maybe sticher, listen, tunein radio. I am open to any suggestions that will give the best music experience. streamin google player is obviously out due to most peoples droids not having 3g data. I have tried a lot of music players. music mod is the best on this platform on this device. i would love double twist or winamp but double twist has issues and winamp is just a horrible linux port that will eat up your droids ram like a cookie monster on steroids.
in essence this is the main version of mp3 droid. just a modified rom to work best as a mp3 player. i have been working on perfecting the art of music player on my droid for a while now and I want to share my results. i think i came up with a wining combination of mods, apps, and software removals.
version 2 will be
bb (any fast rom) even more super lightened.
ROCK BOX http://www.rockbox.org/
will be the only thing that will run. on top of the rom.
it will run from boot of rom
essentially a ported rock box player ported as the main os
of course it would make me a lot happier to not even use android at all and get a bootable version of rockbox working on this device. rock box is open source and works on a lot of devices I just dont know what this would entail.

video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HedLoOSsDV0
hey just uploaded a quick video so you can see the speed and overall look first hand..
sorry for sideways and quality. lack there of. apologize for my sleepiness as well. overall sorry video. but good rendition of speed i am acheiving with the setup.

zealious said:
video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HedLoOSsDV0
hey just uploaded a quick video so you can see the speed and overall look first hand..
sorry for sideways and quality. lack there of. apologize for my sleepiness as well. overall sorry video. but good rendition of speed i am acheiving with the setup.
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That actually does look quite fast. While I can't help you with developing a ROM, I can tell you it would be helpful to the rest of us if you told us what exactly you did... Looks fantastic

Indeed. it is extremely fast. the video does not even do it justice. I have never seen the og droid perform like this.
as far as what i have done the general idea is in my first post and a detailed walk through will follow shortly.
i will def post a detailed version of what i have done but it comes down to pretty much trial and error
well thats the definition of what i have done and plan to get ironed out into a rom. i have taken all the guess work out of finding the speediest apps, roms, kernels, home screens, etc,
i removed as many things as i could from the device that did not sacrafice reliablity or stability.
i am runing an older version of bugless beast. trial and error has shown this version to perform best on multiple droid 1s
i am running the newer chevy nova kernel 1000 ul clocked at 900.
i have lightened the phone by about 70 % will provide list or possibly a script or both of what apps you can safely remove.. afik
and I am running zeam with settings that provide the least ram usage
1 home screen
no visual effects
full screen.
everything i have done has been centered around increasing ram numbers.s
disabled data.
disabled 3g
set up airplane mode with wifi
removed lock screen
installed rock box port
running stock rom music player which is foryo music mod
said widget.
modified build.prop
higher dpi think i settled on 280
camera button is a hardware play/pause music button (buggy at the moment)
anyway like i said i will post full details so you can do this
or you can wait for the rom.
might be a while
progress with the rom is
downloaded android sdk
donloaded virtual box
instaled ubuntu
(i am runing dual boot laptop with Ubuntu really have started falling in love with vm since i tried out chrome os and os x lepord. i like how you can quickly pop into windows if you need to and its nice that you can setup a shared clipboard)
installed java
messed around with rockbox to see what you can customize visualy.
read about a few kitchens and reading up on how to compile your own rom as well as virtual device testing etc.
this is a diy learn as you go process so might be a while till u see an alpha.

I'd be willing to test this when you have a version available for download. I don't use my Droid for service, just as an iPod pretty much, so this would work great for me.

i would also be willing to test. i moved to a evo 3d but still have the og droid. this looks amazingly fast.

ElectroBeijing said:
I'd be willing to test this when you have a version available for download. I don't use my Droid for service, just as an iPod pretty much, so this would work great for me.
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Yes. I am suprised no one has started this project already. I wonder what percent of og users still use it as their everyday phone.
Well stay tuned and i will get a alpha up as soon as i figure stuff out.

Cool, I am excited to test this!
Also, do you think it'd be possible for you to make a flashable .zip or something that one could flash to almost any ROM on the Droid and remove all the phone related stuff and other bloat? [ I hope I don't sound demanding, it's just an idea I had, and unfortunately I don't have the skills to do it myself ]
I ask because while I like the MP3 Droid idea, there are some things I want to keep that are being taken out. Like, not too bare, but not loaded with unnecessary things either, you get what I mean?

I'm also interested in this rom!
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This looks great
I gave my OG to my little bro since I upgraded to the rezound and I'm sure he'll love this.

Sounds awesome so far. I've been messing with my OG as an mp3 player since I got my GalaxyNexus.
I loaded PE 4.2 and stripped out a lot of non essential items. I've been experimenting with the different music players so see which works best.
I would also be willing to be an alpha or beta tester for you.
I've rooted, flashed and tweaked my OG since the first week I've had it. It has been the same with my Xoom and Nexus. I'm confident enough that I've rooted and flashed many other devices for family and friends.
I've had offers from people to buy my Droid, but I just can't part with it. It will in my opinion be one of the best phones ever made.
So any help I can give is yours.

I would be willing to help with this where I can. I am not a developer, but I can do some basic things. Could definitely help creating a .zip for people to flash with everything removed/added/customized.

I want see this happen so badly. I'm using my Droid as a desk clock to play music. I am running a FroYo Bugless Beast with everything stripped except Settings, Market, SuperUser. From there I installed beautiful Widgets, Pandora, and Play Music.
Let me know if you need anything at all. Please make this happen!

Looks amazing!

By the way this is the current home screen on my D1.
Running Steel Droid 10 right now with Zeam Launcher. Now only if I can find an way to remove the phone signal on the status bar then it would be nearly perfect.

Just a suggestion, but it might be worthwhile to checkout deadbeef as well.

This is an awesome idea and exactly what I was looking for! I recently remosefully upgraded my phone to the Bionic (which I am quite pleased with) but, like everyone else on this thread, have no intentions of letting go of my Droid Classic. An MP3 player-type device (with GPS - tre' cool!) would be pretty awesome. So, if I can help with testing, whatever, I'm definitely up for that! Except for that annoyingly small amount of RAM issue, the Droid Classic (as I call it) may very well be the best phone ever made.
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zealious said:
...a detailed walk through will follow shortly...
...anyway like i said i will post full details so you can do this...
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As a matter of fact, if you can post the full details of how you got to where you are (I mean, what you took out of which older ROM you based this off of, so on & so forth) maybe I could help you with getting it to the alpha stage. Mostly because this is the exact type of thing I was looking to do with my Droid Classic (as I call it) and it works really awesomely well as an MP3 / media player. If I'm ambitious I might even make a derivative with GPS enabled for runners - so you've got your GPS app to track your run and your MP3 player to keep you entertained!
(My Droid Classic has made it through 4 half-marathons, 2 full marathons, and was caught outside with me in an absolute torrential downpour and is still playing media like a champ! It's too good to dispose of.)

Just got an old OG Droid myself from a friend (screen is fairly shattered but it's still functional - the GPS doesn't work at all, nada, no signal ever regardless of where I'm at, maybe the internal GPS cable came loose, no idea).
Is it possible to build a ROM for this thing without any phone code at all, meaning no mention of any phone capabilities, no dialer, etc? I've never gotten into "building" Android or directly creating my own ROMs but the idea of a pmpDroid (portable media player Droid, guess I should trademark that name, eh?) is damned interesting since that's all I currently use it for. I do intend to replace the outer body as it has a lot of cosmetic damage and also get a new battery, generally rebuild it over time as I acquire the replacement parts and of course a new glass/digitizer setup as well.
So basically something like the Samsung Galaxy Players use, a full Android experience but zero phone code - that's gotta be possible, right?
It is still an excellent device in spite of the shortcomings (video formats are kinda crappy, only Baseline h.264 support sadly) but overall it's definitely worth using as a PMP.

[Q] JB Rom without Butter

Hello everyone
is there any jellybean rom without project butter in it
i like the functionalities of JB but project butter cause a heavy load to the device , especially when i try to play some games like blood and glory or any other "demanding" game
it is the only reason i've downgraded from JB to ICS
so please if you are using/know/seen any low fat JB rom, please let me know

how did you know that Project butter is what slowed down your phone? i do not think that is true. you could try slim jb rom

I agree.
This is going to be an issue with the particular ROM you tried. Current builds of JB are considerably smoother than they were even a few weeks ago.

well im not a developer or anything but i've tried several roms
and from what i've understood project butter forces the GPU to work at a constant 60fps which is great for regular using, pretty smooth
but im using now cm9.1 sable build and i really cant tell the difference (smoothness wise) however, when i benchmarked JB roms (such as slimbean, cm10, remics-jb) compared with ics roms (cm9, slim ics, onecosmics) ive always found the ics performs a bit better (quadrents and Antutu) now i know benchmark scores dnt tell the whole story, but i've found it true in my case, specially when playing games (wind-up knights, blood and glory, agent dash) these are the main games that have lower fps on jb than they have on ics

cant imagine Butter is the problem..

Project Butter
Hi,
I'm running OpenSensation CM10 on my HTC Sensation.....
I don't see project butter implemented in this JB ROM.
The CM10 ROM is about 5% faster than Stock ICS and has better user options but its UI is just as jittery as ICS,
Compared to a Galaxy SIII Running stock JB my phone is embarassing.
I'm actually looking for a custom JB ROM for the Sensation that shows off Project Butter........still looking.
My Contract is up in Feb and I am seriously considering moving to a Windows 8 Phone, now that's a buttery interface.
I love Android but seriously. If a POS phone with half my Sensation Specs can run buttery smooth on Windows 8 then what the heck is going on with Android ?????
Cheers.
Marc.

MU2MARC said:
I love Android but seriously. If a POS phone with half my Sensation Specs can run buttery smooth on Windows 8 then what the heck is going on with Android ?????
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Well let me explain it to you this way:
Android runs all apps in Java whilst WP8 uses C#. Java is considerably slower and Dalvik doesn't help either.
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Here is a benchmark from Xobot OS, a C# derivative of Android. As you can see, the use of Dalvik and Java is the crippling cause of Android's sluggish performance.

Well...that makes sense.
Kingo64 said:
Well let me explain it to you this way:
Android runs all apps in Java whilst WP8 uses C#. Java is considerably slower and Dalvik doesn't help either.
Here is a benchmark from Xobot OS, a C# derivative of Android. As you can see, the use of Dalvik and Java is the crippling cause of Android's sluggish performance.
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Wow....Appreciate the Info, I had done some research into Java implementation on android, dug some article out comparing the iOS to Android for smoothness and explaining the differences in UI implementation, processor scheduling etc...
iOS is not that impressive either and how can it be, both OS's are UNIX/LINUX based and the only reason I can tell from what I have read is that Apple swings all its resources into action when a page compositing request has been sensed by the touchscreen or the thread handler prioritizes the GUI at that moment therefore iOS is not a true multitasking OS.
Either way, I have seen Buttery goodness, stock JB on the Galaxy SIII is extremely smooth compared to the Opensensation ROM I flashed, I replied to another comment earlier that I'm pretty sure the flash must not have taken as intended for it to be running so badly...
I did a factory wipe, flashed the ROM and the GAB files, reinstalled my apps from the playstore not backup, moved every app I could to the SD card to free up RAM, Made sure ' Force GPU for 2d rendering ' is selected, I'm using the Badass Governor and CFQ i/o scheduler....
And the GUI is jittery as hell, about the same as stock ICS overall....I JUST WANT MY BUTTER !!! LOL
I guess I will try and reflash and see if I can improve anything or try and find another custom ROM that runs project butter for comparison.
Cheers for the Reply.

First of all there's nothing wrong with Linux in itself..
I'm curious though why on earth Google went ahead and bought android if java has such poor performance, they must have tested it? Also, is java really just that bad? I've always thought java to be a POS, seems anything created in it is slow, bugged, and just really annoying, but then there are exceptions to that, so, what gives?
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Linux Giggle.
Hr Kristian said:
First of all there's nothing wrong with Linux in itself..
I'm curious though why on earth Google went ahead and bought android if java has such poor performance, they must have tested it? Also, is java really just that bad? I've always thought java to be a POS, seems anything created in it is slow, bugged, and just really annoying, but then there are exceptions to that, so, what gives?
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Actually you are wrong Sir, there is plenty wrong with Linux LOL !!! Perspective is Key, there is a reason Linux doesn't dominate the OS marketplace......Linux serves a NERD driven market which is a microscopic percentage of the worldwide computer user base.
For the Nerds... Linux is awsome, I used to use Suse Enterprise myself so you won't hear me argue, however.....
Not everyone wishes to F with every minutae of making their OS work, this applies even more strongly to Android also, simply put your everyday user couldn't give a fart in the wind about what makes it all work, instead, it should compete evenly with other mobile OS's out there and put simply, the amount of hardware required to make Android come even close is mindboggling bullsh*t.
That said, I still don't have an answer as to why a Galaxy S III running stock JB removes it's wang from it's underpants and plain urinates all over my Sensation as far as JB smoothness is concerned and I repeat, is there a JB ROM out there that actually performes the buttery goodness of a stock JB ROM ??
Cheers and Merry Christmas to all!
Mad

Only children under the age of 15 are forgiven for using "LOL".
I never said Linux was user friendly as an OS, I said there wasn't anything with Linux performance wise. K?
Also, CM10 works buttery good for me, yes, there are the RAM issues if you don't know how to manage apps properly, but that is just a package deal with this 2 year old phone.
It's fine for my part as I simply don't want crap like Facebook and weather apps running when I don't actively want to look at them.
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OMG LOL ! ( LoL )
Hr Kristian said:
Only children under the age of 15 are forgiven for using "LOL".
I never said Linux was user friendly as an OS, I said there wasn't anything with Linux performance wise. K?
Also, CM10 works buttery good for me, yes, there are the RAM issues if you don't know how to manage apps properly, but that is just a package deal with this 2 year old phone.
It's fine for my part as I simply don't want crap like Facebook and weather apps running when I don't actively want to look at them.
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You can forgive my ' LOL ' because it's Christmas and it's the right thing to do.
I didn't knock LINUX during my first post or in any reference made thereafter. As stated, I use to use it myself and back when I actually was 15 a friend of mine and I ran a couple of Quake 3 servers using LINUX simply because it was better than Windows.
I feel Google needs to divorce itself from JAVA if any meaningful performance gains are to be achieved, in the meantime my quest for butter will continue.
I thank you for allowing my 10th post, also:
I don't have facebook installed, I don't use weather or news and I have all unused apps disabled and every app I can move is on the SD card.
I compared my HTC Sensation JB to stock ICS on the wife's HTC Amaze, the Amaze is far smoother with GUI rendering. I am going to reflash to stock ICS today and will post my impressions.
Cheers and a Happy New Year to all !