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Did talk about Kaiser 3D driver became illegal ?

Last time I've been here was like 3-4 months ago. Most of the threads in all the Kaiser forums in this website, were about the 3D driver progress. At that time there was zero ("0") progress.
Today, when there is eventually progress with the 3D driver, I come back to find out all threads about the 3D driver has vanished into thin air (or closed by moderators).
What gives ?, what have I missed ?, did HTC threatened to sue xda-developers unless all debate regarding the driver stops ?, if so, why hasn't this been updated in forum rules ?

Noam23 said:
Last time I've been here was like 3-4 months ago. Most of the threads in all the Kaiser forums in this website, were about the 3D driver progress. At that time there was zero ("0") progress.
Today, when there is eventually progress with the 3D driver, I come back to find out all threads about the 3D driver has vanished into thin air (or closed by moderators).
What gives ?, what have I missed ?
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Someone is working on it -
There has been no progress...
What would you like to talk about?
Bill

LOL, no progress ?
Up to 3 months ago I actually believed HTC when they said the Kaiser is not equipped with 3D hardware acceleration.
2 weeks ago videos have been posted showing the Kaiser running OpenGL 3D software, using 3D hardware capabilities HTC said it doesn't have, and you call this "no progress" ?

video links
Can you post links to the videos you reference?

I can't believe I need to post this link, why isn't this a sticky at the top of the forum ???
http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php
From the link:
The OpenGL ES driver provides the base for the Direct3D driver on the MSM7200 and MSM7500 platforms, which in turn provides the DirectDraw (2D) capability; so getting the OpenGL ES driver to work correctly should be a big step in getting D3D and DD working.
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If this is old news then accept my apology.

Noam23 said:
LOL, no progress ?
Up to 3 months ago I actually believed HTC when they said the Kaiser is not equipped with 3D hardware acceleration.
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I've never believed the required hardware to be absent. The problem is it's not being used (because the right sort of driver isn't loaded) and some weasel words were used (to effect by the look of things) to make it look like nothing could be done about it. I'm surprised greater efforts haven't been made to source a driver from Qualcomm rather than reinventing the wheel (or do they not have a ready made driver available that they're willing to sell to TyTN II owners). It's certainly not as straight forward as with full sized PCs where drivers are easy to come by and hardware manufacturers proudly release them for public consumption. As the TyTN II is a pocket PC, the same rules as with other PCs should apply in this regard as far as I'm concerned. Have you reported any GPS probs you may be having with WM 6.1 to HTC yet Noam23? I have a feeling this is going to be their next head in the sand scenario (that is unless enough people complain about it early on).

Have you reported any GPS probs you may be having with WM 6.1 to HTC yet Noam23?
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I'm using NoThrills 6.1 ROM and didn't find anything wrong with the GPS.... which problems are you talking about ?

Noam23 said:
LOL, no progress ?
Up to 3 months ago I actually believed HTC when they said the Kaiser is not equipped with 3D hardware acceleration.
2 weeks ago videos have been posted showing the Kaiser running OpenGL 3D software, using 3D hardware capabilities HTC said it doesn't have, and you call this "no progress" ?
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I said -
1. someone is working on it (or even LOTS of people - but the last I saw there was one developer still working on it)
2. there is no progress - meaning that I have seen NO REPORTS here that this is NOW available and working on a Kaiser.
My apologies - if this is now ready to deploy and functional and in a ROM or loadable in a CAB file, I missed that thread.
I was not trying to say that you or someone had MADE NO PROGRESS - just that no progress that will affect the user right now has been made and missed that video announcement totally.
Sorry to offend you "lol".
Bill

I'm gonna chime in.
Those were really exciting news, but I haven't seen any discussion of it since June 23, when it was posted on HTCClassAction.ORG.
I've tried searching for the thread, but since drivers are mentioned pretty much in every thread, it's hard to find. Has there been any update since June 23?

The last thing I heard was someone was trying to extract the drivers from the Diamond ROM. Unfortunately, people are going to the Diamond in droves. Even Dutty has moved on, so I'm not holding my breath.

people like chainfire are still working on the issue so i don't think it has been forgotten

Noam23 said:
I'm using NoThrills 6.1 ROM and didn't find anything wrong with the GPS.... which problems are you talking about ?
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I'm glad that ROM works for you. The problems I'm referring to are covered in this thread (which relates principally to the HTC WM 6.1 upgrade ROM) *Hopeless* GPS after 6.1 Update? Different ROM and Radio combinations have different GPS performance but the difference between the original HTC WM 6.0 ROM with the 1.27 series Radio and the latest HTC WM 6.1 ROM with 1.65 series radio is like night and day. Furthermore HTCs tech support dept here have told me no-one else has complained to them about it and they need more complaints to escallate it

bennyj71 said:
Unfortunately, people are going to the Diamond in droves. Even Dutty has moved on, so I'm not holding my breath.
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Thats is a real shame
The Diamond is nice but I could never be without the ability to shove my 8gb card in the side, so I wont be upgrading any time soon. If someone could get the video drivers working I'd be more than happy to stick with my Kaiser.

I'm not going to the diamond. Not only is it overpriced just for it's ipod flashy appeal, it's also lacking a keyboard.

ALSO: I'm pumped for the possibility of a driver and will gladly pay my donation money to the genius if he gets it right.

redsrule2500 said:
I'm not going to the diamond. Not only is it overpriced just for it's ipod flashy appeal, it's also lacking a keyboard.
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I agree also. The Diamond is indeed a nice piece of Hardware but it lacks 2 things, a keyboard, and a microSD slot.
Im keeping my beloved though imperfect Tytn II till a viable alternative comes out , something like the HTC dream or the Touch Pro.... or if Android shows better signs of working on the Kaiser im keeping it

i think HTC's answer for hardcore PPC users is the HTC Touch Pro (or HTC Raphael) http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49518
i cant say ill be converting anytime soon (though i am getting a Tilt in August) the Touch Pro is an extremely attractive device. i think hope for the kaiser drivers may be lost with the release of this bad boy

thunda_chunky said:
i think HTC's answer for hardcore PPC users is the HTC Touch Pro (or HTC Raphael) http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49518
i cant say ill be converting anytime soon (though i am getting a Tilt in August) the Touch Pro is an extremely attractive device. i think hope for the kaiser drivers may be lost with the release of this bad boy
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or found, but not from HTC directly...

SHH! OMG People just talking a bout this is illegal. Do you guys want to be arrested?
Also can I ask why this thread exsists, if you went to the Stickey Roll-up you would have found a link to the Thread that contains everything you've ever wanted to know about the Driver Progress.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359534

JIMMY!! Are you talking about those video drivers again?
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[1/28] UPDATE! Custom Cooked Rom Remix Compilation (Lighter Versions)

Sorry for the lag guys, my HD crashed (hal.dll, ntldr,etc...) what happens when you mix three roms at once in you main partition I guess. After 2 -3 days of reinstalling patches & updates I am finally back.
Biggest advice for all of you: Get Ghost or another High end disk image program. I know need to re-download tools & such. ARK rom is up next. I also got a complaint about use of NRG's rom. Not by NRG, who is so far ahead I am sure he graciously just doesn't care, but JHV3 alledging he has actually written one of the camera programs inside from scratch. I am going to reverse & IDA it just to know the TRUTH because I am always curious, but I don't know about dumping the rom. I had planned on moving on anyway. My main purpose here is to see what works, what doesn't, what the comments are & then to produce a stable & functioning lite rom that can be dumped & re-cooked by anyone using my older easybake style kitchen.
Hang on, I'll be back soon as possible with a lite & compressed ARK rom. Again, as before, donate to XDA or the original masters. All of the work in every cooked rom is only possible because of people like BuzzLiteYear, ItsMe, Oli for HardSPL, Jocky_W who always is so giving of his time & knowledge, & the team that created the first kitchen back before '02 CE Kitchen, & the 2003SE kitchen (BlueAngel) which is one of the device forums that really paved the way for everyone. Thanks to all of you, the true cornerstones of XDA. Also there are those that carry on the spirit, Da_G, whom shares every new build with just about the world, chainfire for all his time & fixes (BTW, THE CFC 2.5 VERSIONS WORK WELL WHEN HIS LEO PATCHES ARE COOKED IN), yep even in Rhodium.
UPDATE!!!
First Lite Re-Cooked Rom...NRGZ28's 1/20/2010 Build 21889 - Sense 2.5
Ok, I have always preferred TF3D 2.1 rom's, but it seems that the new Leo ports of 2.5 are nice indeed & I have found myself really liking NRG's latest rom. This is my modded version & although I did spend a lot of time weeding out the useless files generated by the type of kitched used originally (Resolution related mostly) I take no other credit & freely admit that the order of work put into this rom is as follows 1. Microsoft 2. HTC 3. NRGZ28 & lastly, Me.
I truly hope he does not mind too much, & just to show the true intent, I have a new skin for ActionScreen. NRG, you will like this one & please feel free to use it. Anyone & everyone is free to use any of my modified folders, icons or skins.
This rom includes all of the base packages & even a few extras, but there is no useless GPS Test or Tools, No CE Commander (Total Commander), only 2 themes & only 2 ring tones. Wifi Monster is gone as I like the new HTC WIFI program & so are most of the tweak apps like Advanced Config. These can all be installed via cab files which I will post optimized versions of as I have time.
This ROM is uses a new rebuild script implementing what I call dual compression. This means that many files, libraries, exe's, etc...get compressed, plus the rom is reconstructed using another secondary compression method.
This rom is OS only, no boot screen or radio. I use the radio version 4.48.25.20 & it works great. I will post some pics when I get a chance, but as Alltheway will tell you shortly, it is safe to flash as long as you follow the guidelines & have hardspl installed. If you don't know what a radio rom, os only rom or hardspl is, then you are in the wrong place. While I assure you it is a completely safe rom, I don't take any direct responsibility if you have a "doh" moment & fry your device.
This is just a taste of thing to come including a base stripped rom with a true easy bake (add/remove) kitchen.
This rebake has two options. 1st is what I call Standard Dual Compression (Programs, Files & Rom) 2nd is Dual Compression plus True CFC compression on ALL of the Sense 2.5 files. What you use is totally up to your prefference. I am still playing with both modes to see which seems the best combination of performance & stability.
(Sense 2.5 Standard) This rom Has a PP of 24mB & initially has about 219mB storage memory & 90mB..Program memory at boot time with Sense running.
Here is the standard Sense 2.5 rom download: CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD STANDARD VERSION
(Sense 2.5 CFC Compressed) This rom Has a PP of 24mB & initially has about 225mB storage memory & 95mB Program memory.
I STRONGLY DISSUADE YOU FROM USING THE CFC ROM. CFC IS NOT READY FOR SENSE 2.5 QUITE YET.
Here is the CFC Compressed Sense 2.5 rom download: UPLOADING!
CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD CFC VERSION
I don't ask for any donations for anything you ask here & actually encourage you to donate to the site or the original chef. I DO ASK THAT YOU DO NOT MIRROR THE LINKS. HOSTING IS GETTING EXPENSIVE & MY CONTRACT RAN OUT IN OCTOBER OF 2009 SO EVERY PENNY or RAPID POINT COUNTS. THX!

The parts I like from a rom is the Maxmanila or manila 2.5. Thats all that really matters to me...

that does definitely sound as a great idea! The thought for the consept is very honorable so there I'd like to wish good luck!
I like the idea of the lighness a lot! Although if you plan to create ROMs for noobs, business and on, I personally think this should reflected in the roms. as a chef u might for example know which pim backup solution or other tools works better and in harmony with your rom. totally clean and light could therefore (dependent on user group) be misunderstood as an"empty house" which one want to fill with stuff but doen't know with what and brings in anything just not to have an empty house.
So maybe differenciating wouldn't be an idea to considere.
Rom I use right now is Ark's ROM which I really like and which is at this time my absolute favorite. It's usebilit, stability and it's looks are very harmonic. It is a really nice experience with my HTC Touch Pro 2 which HTC itself unfortunately failed to provide.
I like icons on his rom. I would cathegorize his Rom as business. Before that my favorite was Energyrom, although the optics of energyrom are challenging for they emphasize a very personal taste. Something neutral and sobre would be great that would satisfy many.
Good luck and thank you for you interest and ideals about xda community!

This is a great idea. I have tried a lot of ROM here, stayed a couple of weeks with some of them, but my favorite now is... the stock WM 6.5 Rom. My problem with custom ROMs is that first they are filled with cab you either do not need or that you could install by yourself, second the ones I preferred (Energy, Josh) never stop development, it feels like they want to provide new features (so new bugs) and never try to definitely fix bugs on current version. Samberg's was seducing but stopped development before fixing all issues.
To me there is not much missing on the stock Rom, I'd like the Wifi Router integrated in CommManager (I did not see a cab working at 100%). But it could be lighten with some software (Copilot, store...). As concerns themes, Energy is nice but I would prefer staying with stock icons, not having to recognize new icons when changing Rom or device.
I'll definitely try your work, whatever Rom you start with...
Thierry
Edit : Some software from Josh's that I do not need, that can be installed with a cab : Myspace, Facebook, Twitter, Entertainment, all games...
Edit 2 : I used to have BattClock instead of the battery icon (you get both the clock and the battery charge, + memory if you wish), but this can be installed with a cab.

I'd like to see a ROM that has nothing that can be installed via a cab. Just the absolute basics. Then I can install as I desire.
I am using the EnergyRom- Leo 23518- Sense2.5- MaxManilla from NRGZ28. I have tried about ten ROMs on my Tilt 2 and this is one of the best. Great chef, too.
Looking forward to your efforts.

at last great idea
i prefer nrg rom 23XXX build both sens 2.5 or 2.1 but better to use 2.1 because of speed
best rom will be i think 23518 with sense 2.1 and nothing inside more
i hope you will soon cook something
and i think too that chefs must create one bug free release and then after going to cook new thinks so people can use something stable in the mean time

@ GSLEON3
GREAT idea re the Lite version. For me (I know others disagree), one of the last things I'm really NOT looking for is "eye-candy" that you see as one of the buzz words. It makes me feel kinda dirty like I'm chasing an iPhone or something - haha.
But I think that the real need is speed and functionality.
I would LOVE to see a good Lite version - the trick is that there seems to be simple finctionality that is left out by many Chefs with "Lite" versions ... a great example is that the best I can tell, every Lite (or Titanium) version out there loses the "Add to Contacts" functionality when you get (or make a call) to somone not in your address book. If you click on the "Add to Contact" button - nothing happens. this has been true for NRG's, Agent47's and others.
Any chance you would post or even PM me your current version that you are using ? I'd be happy to offer more feedback!

Here,here! Kim took the words right out of my mouth! Just put up a list of updated and/or popular cabs with the ROM. Either way, I appreciate all the cooks. Keep up the good work.

GSLEON3
Hey buddy long time no talk. Let me know if you need me to do some beta testing on the ROM. Just picked up a Tilt 2 today. It's ready for it's flashing abuse.

hey guys, the initiative indeed is honorable!!!
so my share of toughts is :
--> a stable version of sense2.5 with landscape (so whenever the official release is out)
--> with the rhodium stock dialer (with call/video call + single call/conference options available)
--> base 6.5.3 with the start menu on top (if possible, because the big icons do not look good with the slider) OR winmo 6.1 (same as jackos hybrid ROM, because video playback is the best with the coreplayer/6.1 combination)
--> htc SMS software from sense2.0 or 2.1 (so not the leo one... too slow)
--> black & white slider from sense 2.0 (because it goes so well with the spirit of the rhodium.. classy & businessy xD)
--> opera 9.5 or 9.7 but not 10.. too slow!! If a mobile web browser needs a 1ghz cpu to work correctly.. well i don't need a phone for internet browsing anymore.. i mean what's the point ??)
--> youtube working
--> maybe 1version per language (no more french roms available on xda, or maybe one but full of bugs)
.... well my dream is to have a fully functionnal rom, with the best things that a RHODIUM can hadle, and that looks (as much as possible) like the stock rom (if needed, i can work on some twitter/document b&w icons for a 2.5 slider)
-btw, favorite and most stable rom for me is ARK's ROM
and whatever comes out of this thread, i'm just saying man, that the side of the xda spirit you mentionned does seem to be missing.. it has nothing to do with the good ol' artemis p3300 days THANKS MAN FOR THE IDEA

I have never used ARK's roms. I will definitely give it a look. The culmination of all of these roms (& I plan on modding at least a dozen) will be to finally cook a public rom from scratch using the information gleamed from the modding of the existing cooked roms. Take the best of all & hopefully voila...A solid performer will be born.
I have always cooked my own roms. Just never cooked for public as my job took up too much time to support a public rom. I usually would share my betas with a few of my mod buddies, but that's it. Being as I am currently unemployed, well...let's just say I have a bit of time & a few sleepless nights.
Rhodium has changed, XDA has changed & is now like a high school full of cliques. Everyone think they can protect their roms, very few really can though if you know how to read & have been doing so sinc emy old PPC 2002 & Blue Angel days. We have gone fromk a development site to a "look at me & pay me" site. The funny thing is most chef's these days (Not all, so don't get sand in your panties) wouldn't be able to do diddley squat if the elders such as itsme, BuzzLightyear, Mennisys, Jocky, Dutty, Ervius, bepe, etc... had this same "mine, mine, mine" attiutde back in the day.
EVen in Kaiser, yo had Sleuth & yes, even Dutty providing OEMS & kitchen folders for noobies. The Rhodium section is seriously lagging in these areas now. DA_G is a good example in the power of sharing.
Anyway, I digress. Let's just learn together & have a little fun.

but why not 23518
and faster sense 2.1
when will be that done

GSLEON3-
I could not agree more with your statements and your observations of where XDA seems to be going, at least in the Rhodium forum. I also rememeber the good old days and all of those truely great chefs that you mentioned. It was a different philosopy then. It seems everyone now has a Paypal link so we can buy them a beer. Even people with nothing to offer are putting give me money links in their sigs. But now I digress.
Please keep up the good fight. I know you will have many followers.
Edit: I neglected to mention this when I posted. If you don't know who he is, Alltheway is a God on this site. It appears that GSLEON3 has his support. This is fantastic news for us all. Welcome Alltheway and thank you, too.

I am unable to download. Am I being impatient? I tried both files from your links but the free version of RS is too busy. I have a Premium account I can use but that only gives me a 7kb file. Please advise. Thanks.
Edit: Nevermind. Finally able to get it later today.

English is not my native language I'm not demanding anything i just want to give suggestion
for me wm6.5.5 is way better for use that 6.5 but i know that is too buggy still
now flashing my phone with your rom
i will post pros and cons after few days of using
Thanks a lot

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GSLEON3-
I could not agree more with your statements and your observations of where XDA seems to be going, at least in the Rhodium forum. I also rememeber the good old days and all of those truely great chefs that you mentioned. It was a different philosopy then. It seems everyone now has a Paypal link so we can buy them a beer. Even people with nothing to offer are putting give me money links in their sigs. But now I digress.
Please keep up the good fight. I know you will have many followers.
Edit: I neglected to mention this when I posted. If you don't know who he is, Alltheway is a God on this site. It appears that GSLEON3 has his support. This is fantastic news for us all. Welcome Alltheway and thank you, too.
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I'm not trying to attack your opinion but I would like to add, that what you have described is a normal well known human phenomen. There is nothing about it that deserves critisizm.
People who founded XDA-Developers were united by enthusiasm and passion for technology. Therefore they're pioneers and were driven by "ideals".
Their attitude stimulated reality and made manufacturers understand what people expect from them, so today we have greater technology and it's impressive usability for dayly lives.
What is going on here today is that people are no more driven together by the passion for technology and enthusiasm but by their "expensive status symbols". I think also iPhone is responsible for that kinda development. It is obvious Pocket PC flourish came shortly after iphone was introduced.
Before that Pocket PC was prerogative of businesmen who happened to want to have "semi-computer" experience i.e. be able lookup their appointments and make phone calls in a different way than the mojaroity does.
The "freaks" like xda founders were driven instead by ideas and possibilities the technology they thought can offer for "humanity"
Now these times are obviously over. People explore xda not for the "original" reasons but out of curiousity - TOUCHSCREEN TECHNOLOGY FASHION!
In this case it would be pretty damn "stupid" not to suggest donations for hard work you do to sutisfy somebody's curiousity!!!!!
So please do not attack those who decide to do so. Donation is a D O N A T I O N!!!! I haven't seen anyone forcing me to donation. It's up to decide who I donate to and if I decide to do so, then it is my decision and not the chefs or developers.
Good luck to all! Peace!

GSLEON3 said:
I have never used ARK's roms. I will definitely give it a look. The culmination of all of these roms (& I plan on modding at least a dozen) will be to finally cook a public rom from scratch using the information gleamed from the modding of the existing cooked roms. Take the best of all & hopefully voila...A solid performer will be born.
I have always cooked my own roms. Just never cooked for public as my job took up too much time to support a public rom. I usually would share my betas with a few of my mod buddies, but that's it. Being as I am currently unemployed, well...let's just say I have a bit of time & a few sleepless nights.
Rhodium has changed, XDA has changed & is now like a high school full of cliques. Everyone think they can protect their roms, very few really can though if you know how to read & have been doing so sinc emy old PPC 2002 & Blue Angel days. We have gone fromk a development site to a "look at me & pay me" site. The funny thing is most chef's these days (Not all, so don't get sand in your panties) wouldn't be able to do diddley squat if the elders such as itsme, BuzzLightyear, Mennisys, Jocky, Dutty, Ervius, bepe, etc... had this same "mine, mine, mine" attiutde back in the day.
EVen in Kaiser, yo had Sleuth & yes, even Dutty providing OEMS & kitchen folders for noobies. The Rhodium section is seriously lagging in these areas now. DA_G is a good example in the power of sharing.
Anyway, I digress. Let's just learn together & have a little fun.
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Please take a look into Ark's latest ROMs!!!
He might be new in the "cooking business" if you haven't met him before but he does really a great job.
As I understood from your concept presentation in the 1st post that you want to make a light ROM(s) to give this community speed, stability and INDEPENDENCE with their devices.
INDEPENDENCE is a keyword that alertet me and made me reply.
I'm not questioning the quality of ches work here and their capability. But I do feel confronted with the personal taste in many ROMs in terms of their optics. Of course lot of it is not a big deal for many, for you can change things to your own taste. The issue here is though, that during readjusting a ROM a lot of things go wrong and ROMs become unuseable. I agree has probably to do with illeteracy of many, like myself. That's why I like the idea very much to have "BASICS" so that I can change some things without destroyng some other things in the ROM.
As I said Ark's ROM is nice in terms of looks that it makes you feel you have a stock ROM which you can modify or adjust to your current mood or taste.
It would be nice if you could integrate that concept in your work.
Thank you and good luck!

Pretty nice ROM. Still not quite as lite as I 'd like. It seems fast and stable for the short time that I tested it.

Screenshots
Anybody have some screen shots of the ROM?

Here you go
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Anybody have some screen shots of the ROM?
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Per your request. Here are the screen shots. (I have contacts photos connected with facebook, therefore, my free program is low (45 mb))
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iPhone 4G (Review)

Hello guys i wana ask you what you think about the new iPhone 4G that must to be released after around 2 mounths.. here will atach some Pics and Specs but note that this is not release yet just is info floated in internet.
We know very well that the iPhone 3GS is alot more faster and FInger Friendly than WinMo.. also the screen and etc.. once i play with an iPhone i was amazed how sensitive it is.. and how Smooth and Fast is everything.. the reason to stop me buy a iPhone is because of the Battery and of the Bad Camera.. and some litle more things..
But now in the new iPhone 4G this is not a problem anymore because he will have removable battery and i think a good 3.2 Camera..
Also the design of the device is complate diferent and now not looking like a soap-dish now look really stilysh and is very very slim.
I wonder that will be the proccessor but will wait to see, also i think that now even more peoples will begin to use an iPhone..
I Hear that the processor will be dual Core and the camera can be even 5 megapixels not 3.2 but all this is guessing we will wait to see the final product but with sure will be something Superb Cool..
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tsalta said:
Hello guys i wana ask you what you think about the new iPhone 4G that must to be released after around 2 mounths.. here will atach some Pics and Specs but note that this is not release yet just is info floated in internet.
We know very well that the iPhone 3GS is alot more faster and FInger Friendly than WinMo.. also the screen and etc.. once i play with an iPhone i was amazed how sensitive it is.. and how Smooth and Fast is everything.. the reason to stop me buy a iPhone is because of the Battery and of the Bad Camera.. and some litle more things..
But now in the new iPhone 4G this is not a problem anymore because he will have removable battery and i think a good 3.2 Camera..
Also the design of the device is complate diferent and now not looking like a soap-dish now look really stilysh and is very very slim.
I wonder that will be the proccessor but will wait to see, also i think that now even more peoples will begin to use an iPhone..
I Hear that the processor will be dual Core and the camera can be even 5 megapixels not 3.2 but all this is guessing we will wait to see the final product but with sure will be something Superb Cool..
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1. you think that iphone OS is faster than winmo because you've never tried an HD2
2. you think it's more sensitve because there was no capacitive touch for winmo until the HD2
3. the pictures you're searching for are here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/18/iphone-4g-proof/
*the pics you provide were actually made before the 3GS
4. the processor will likely be the same as in the ipad (rumors)

haha..removable battery.. never, my friend, never.
fake.

shu8i said:
1. you think that iphone OS is faster than winmo because you've never tried an HD2
2. you think it's more sensitve because there was no capacitive touch for winmo until the HD2
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You're right! HD2 is a nice piece of HARDWARE! The underlying OS is still a big pile of crap written by people who know nothing about OS design. Deciders there must be REAL stupid to think that checkboxes/combos/lists on a classic desktop computer scales down correctly to a 2~3 inches handheld screen when there, they'll be 16 pixels tall... Stupid conception, lack of minimal intelligence! People using handhelds want to use their fingers, not styluses!
iPhone, as MacOS X, uses a BSD kernel as foundations and there you have real engineers design. I don't own any Apple machine and I dislike a lot this brand but I'm a Unix lover for all its concepts and they were designed in the 70's!
Windows, and then WinMo, doesn't scale anywhere but in a classic computer, be it a desktop or a server.
BSD/Linux/whatever Unix flavour scales from the smallest Phone/DVDPlayer/MP3Player to the Top500 super computers accross the world! Sorry mate but that is design!
HD2 is a very nice device only because of 1GHz SnapDragon! The OS is so badly designed in its internals that you must compensate with a strong armed CPU to make it run fast.
I own a Blackstone with WinMo 6.5 and I find very amusing that bootstrapping Android from my SDCard through haret.exe makes the device react WAY MORE smoothly than the native WinCrap OS... Tell me know... What in Android is so much more optimised in graphics rendering that the native OS, designed specifically by Microsoft and HTC for the drivers part, can't match with ?
I use DeviceEmulator with 6.5 ROM on a Windows machine and on the Windows part, I use a CPU monitor. DeviceEmulator isn't graphics optimized and all operations and refreshes are done via the emulated ARM CPU. Tell me... Using iPhoneToday loaded with icons and multiple pages, the scrolling is very smooth and the Windows CPU monitor shows a 20% usage while scrolling. Playing the same way with the 6.5 StartMenu seems a bit more jerky and shows a 78% CPU usage ? If Microsoft "engineers" knew a bit about quality programming, we would know for a long time now!
Finally ever used any .NET CF 3.5 application ? That's the WORST user experience one can have ! Take a fine example : iContactAE ! 2 executables, the main one which does not feature a single line of .NET CF code and the setup tool which is entirely written in .NET CF...
The first one features instantaneous startup time, smooth and fast scrolling, ultra reactivity and low memory consumption (compared to it's "massive" graphical objects usage). The second one, on my Blackstone, "features" 6s startup time, sluggish pages refresh and all that for... checkboxes, comboboxes and tabbed configuration pages! Yeah... that's what we call "computing evolution".
Please, find me a SINGLE application, written in .NET CF, not memory resident that, on a modern device (400MHz CPU) features quite instantaneous startup time and no sluggish refreshes. Good luck!

Its funny how many people instantly jump on Windows Mobile when the HD2 is mentioned, and they don't mention HTC Sense, which imo, is awesome, along with other apps you can get, you can have the HD2 running amazingly. The underlying OS IS crap, everyone knows that, and it is very dated, BUT it has given us HTC Sense so to speak.

Sithlord said:
You're right! HD2 is a nice piece of HARDWARE! The underlying OS is still a big pile of crap written by people who know nothing about OS design. Deciders there must be REAL stupid to think that checkboxes/combos/lists on a classic desktop computer scales down correctly to a 2~3 inches handheld screen when there, they'll be 16 pixels tall... Stupid conception, lack of minimal intelligence! People using handhelds want to use their fingers, not styluses!
iPhone, as MacOS X, uses a BSD kernel as foundations and there you have real engineers design. I don't own any Apple machine and I dislike a lot this brand but I'm a Unix lover for all its concepts and they were designed in the 70's!
Windows, and then WinMo, doesn't scale anywhere but in a classic computer, be it a desktop or a server.
BSD/Linux/whatever Unix flavour scales from the smallest Phone/DVDPlayer/MP3Player to the Top500 super computers accross the world! Sorry mate but that is design!
HD2 is a very nice device only because of 1GHz SnapDragon! The OS is so badly designed in its internals that you must compensate with a strong armed CPU to make it run fast.
I own a Blackstone with WinMo 6.5 and I find very amusing that bootstrapping Android from my SDCard through haret.exe makes the device react WAY MORE smoothly than the native WinCrap OS... Tell me know... What in Android is so much more optimised in graphics rendering that the native OS, designed specifically by Microsoft and HTC for the drivers part, can't match with ?
I use DeviceEmulator with 6.5 ROM on a Windows machine and on the Windows part, I use a CPU monitor. DeviceEmulator isn't graphics optimized and all operations and refreshes are done via the emulated ARM CPU. Tell me... Using iPhoneToday loaded with icons and multiple pages, the scrolling is very smooth and the Windows CPU monitor shows a 20% usage while scrolling. Playing the same way with the 6.5 StartMenu seems a bit more jerky and shows a 78% CPU usage ? If Microsoft "engineers" knew a bit about quality programming, we would know for a long time now!
Finally ever used any .NET CF 3.5 application ? That's the WORST user experience one can have ! Take a fine example : iContactAE ! 2 executables, the main one which does not feature a single line of .NET CF code and the setup tool which is entirely written in .NET CF...
The first one features instantaneous startup time, smooth and fast scrolling, ultra reactivity and low memory consumption (compared to it's "massive" graphical objects usage). The second one, on my Blackstone, "features" 6s startup time, sluggish pages refresh and all that for... checkboxes, comboboxes and tabbed configuration pages! Yeah... that's what we call "computing evolution".
Please, find me a SINGLE application, written in .NET CF, not memory resident that, on a modern device (400MHz CPU) features quite instantaneous startup time and no sluggish refreshes. Good luck!
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that's where sense comes to work to hide that crap get some addons like co0kie and your homescreen is as customizable as android (move around abjects, delete etc.). get a custom ROM and it's like 5x faster than than stock. so it's not just the hardware. i dare you to find any mobile OS that you can customize as you can a winmo device

shu8i said:
1. you think that iphone OS is faster than winmo because you've never tried an HD2
2. you think it's more sensitve because there was no capacitive touch for winmo until the HD2
3. the pictures you're searching for are here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/18/iphone-4g-proof/
*the pics you provide were actually made before the 3GS
4. the processor will likely be the same as in the ipad (rumors)
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I CANT Agree with you
I use Blackstone but i play with HD2 so.. maybe you never play with 3GS ? so now here we speak Bullshits.. I DONT LIKE the APLE company but when i see something BLACK i cant tell is WHITE do u understand me what i mean?!
Also now you compare 2 absolutly diferent devices..
Also no matter what Processor will put in the NEW devices i mean new HTC and other WinMo devices.. they never will run Smooth And Faster..
FOr everyone here Smooth and Faster mean diferent things.. for my Slow for someone can be a Faster and etc etc...
But we must all to agree that the feeling when you touching iPhone Screen and slide and do all the things.. is COMPLATE diferent and you cannot compare it with any other WINMO device...
Also for example im using Blackstone and i have it from when they hit the market..
SO he have bigger screen than iPhone and its good looking device.. BUT on the same time..no matter of that big screen the Blackstone is NOT FINGER FRIENDLY no matter do with WinMo 6.5 or 6.5.5 we trying to make it more finger friendly but have something that we cannot change because the Whole WINDOWS MOBILE OS is not finger Friendly...
So why u need a bigger screen then? when its hard to do everything with fingers?
the HTC do awesome devices and not only the Biggest problem always will be Microsoft everyone know that WINDOWS is one of the Slowest OS avalible..
When Android hit the market and like we know is a young OS platform even they are 10 times faster than Windows.. so for this reason im telling you
for exampe after 5 years you will buy a HTC with 2 GHZ processor and one iPhone with half of this parameters will make you crazy because JUST the Windows Mobile OS Sucks..
When the new iPhone is out after around 2 mounths and even i dont know the full real specs i can insure you that this Phone will kill all Device that you speak now they are fast.. LEO and etc..
The Hardwere is PERFECT but the Soft is very very BAD.

tsalta said:
I CANT Agree with you
I use Blackstone but i play with HD2 so.. maybe you never play with 3GS ? so now here we speak Bullshits.. I DONT LIKE the APLE company but when i see something BLACK i cant tell is WHITE do u understand me what i mean?!
Also now you compare 2 absolutly diferent devices..
Also no matter what Processor will put in the NEW devices i mean new HTC and other WinMo devices.. they never will run Smooth And Faster..
FOr everyone here Smooth and Faster mean diferent things.. for my Slow for someone can be a Faster and etc etc...
But we must all to agree that the feeling when you touching iPhone Screen and slide and do all the things.. is COMPLATE diferent and you cannot compare it with any other WINMO device...
Also for example im using Blackstone and i have it from when they hit the market..
SO he have bigger screen than iPhone and its good looking device.. BUT on the same time..no matter of that big screen the Blackstone is NOT FINGER FRIENDLY no matter do with WinMo 6.5 or 6.5.5 we trying to make it more finger friendly but have something that we cannot change because the Whole WINDOWS MOBILE OS is not finger Friendly...
So why u need a bigger screen then? when its hard to do everything with fingers?
the HTC do awesome devices and not only the Biggest problem always will be Microsoft everyone know that WINDOWS is one of the Slowest OS avalible..
When Android hit the market and like we know is a young OS platform even they are 10 times faster than Windows.. so for this reason im telling you
for exampe after 5 years you will buy a HTC with 2 GHZ processor and one iPhone with half of this parameters will make you crazy because JUST the Windows Mobile OS Sucks..
When the new iPhone is out after around 2 mounths and even i dont know the full real specs i can insure you that this Phone will kill all Device that you speak now they are fast.. LEO and etc..
The Hardwere is PERFECT but the Soft is very very BAD.
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actually no i do not understand what you mean. first, stop to generalize everything. second i came from an iphone to the HD2 / and almost every friend of mine has an iphone, so yeah i know how an iphone feels and after using the HD2 an iphone will never be an option for me again. HTC made a great job integrating Sense into winmo, so thats for fingerfriendly. Screensize? well don't you ever watch videos/pics on your device? it has nothing to do with the OS.
_but_
that's not the point of this thread,is it? although i don't understand what you want to review before the device is actually out.

why is this board filled up with so much hate against WM? why do such people sign up to this board if this is all they do? Do they even know that without WM xda-developers never existed!
about complaints about checkboxes and whatever. Windows Mobile originally was a operating system for PDAs and noone used their fingers to use it. A stylus was common sense.... You can only blame Microsoft for not releasing a new finger friendly UI earlier. But to talk **** about the OS (only because the checkboxes are too small) is very very stupid!!!
I think some people here should run their own site and call it iphone-developers.com and we are free of all this junk.
And if the next guy is now jumping in "Why don't you choose the best available OS and not only defend a bad habit" then he can leave already. People contributing to this board already made their decission to have a WM phone.
Thanks for attention!

MalekoUK said:
Its funny how many people instantly jump on Windows Mobile when the HD2 is mentioned, and they don't mention HTC Sense, which imo, is awesome, along with other apps you can get, you can have the HD2 running amazingly. The underlying OS IS crap, everyone knows that, and it is very dated, BUT it has given us HTC Sense so to speak.
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Don't misunderstand me! HD2 is a NICE device and I wish I could have one myself. Unfortunately, it uses a WinMo OS. Unfortunately again, some apps I really need only exist (for now) on WinMo so I'll wait a bit.
After that, I'll certainly jump on the Android world as it is the only world meeting my needs and wishes (which are very picky on technical aspects). iPhone is a no go for me only because of Apple itself, I just hate the way this company gives itself the right to take decisions on behalf of the end user, where the device physically is!
Android also have it's drawbacks and I hope nothing nasty will happen with it.

Sithlord said:
I own a Blackstone with WinMo 6.5 and I find very amusing that bootstrapping Android from my SDCard through haret.exe makes the device react WAY MORE smoothly than the native WinCrap OS...
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Could someone please direct me to the Blackstone HTC stock rom with WM6.5?

shu8i said:
that's where sense comes to work to hide that crap get some addons like co0kie and your homescreen is as customizable as android (move around abjects, delete etc.). get a custom ROM and it's like 5x faster than than stock. so it's not just the hardware. i dare you to find any mobile OS that you can customize as you can a winmo device
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That's funny but I precisely REMOVED HTC Sense/Manila specifically because, from my point of view, it's totally UNCONFIGURABLE
Hiding/Showing tabs is not what I call "configurable software". Ever tried to add your own Tab for your own needs and wishes ? You'll find out you can't... Ok then, let's try to feedle with the internal configuration to find something useful and reach the goal.. Wow.. how nice! Compiled LUA scripts, proprietary QIX image format (what the hell for, god knows), stupid and useless files naming conventions, etc.. etc...
Yep, exactly ALL I hate from proprietary software developpment. "We MUST close ALL doors to end users! They don't need to know, they MUST NOT know how our internals work".
Strangely enough, iPhoneToday or, more Sense-like software such as WisbarAdvanceDesktop, REALLY ARE what I call "configurable software" because they really ALLOW you to whatever you want!
Oh, and for the record, of course I use a cooked ROM and less than 1% of original WinMo standard applications... I've replaced quite all of them by software designed by REAL developpers, not MS wanabees only able to pee useless and unoptimised lines of code

RAMMANN said:
why is this board filled up with so much hate against WM? why do such people sign up to this board if this is all they do? Do they even know that without WM xda-developers never existed!
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I see it in another way... Without XDA-Dev, I wouldn't have bought a WinMo device, which would be totally useless using only poorly designed provided software.
RAMMANN said:
about complaints about checkboxes and whatever. Windows Mobile originally was a operating system for PDAs and noone used their fingers to use it. A stylus was common sense.... You can only blame Microsoft for not releasing a new finger friendly UI earlier. But to talk **** about the OS (only because the checkboxes are too small) is very very stupid!!!
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Here you are mistaken! Tell me exactly the difference between a PDA and a PDAPhone ? None except the phone functionality!
Stylus wasn't common sense at all, it was a decision, nothing more nothing less! These devices are TouchScreen devices, using a stylus or your fingers doesn't change the technology behind! Resistive screens (WinMo) are very precise but not reactive, Capacitive screens (iPhone, HD2) are not precise at all but very reactive. Using fingers instead of stylus explains why all devices are migrating to capacitive screens. Users want their device to respond quickly and use their fingers, hence my rant agains WinMo design and piles of pure design crap such as .NET CF (from a developper perspective : traversing 20 inherited classes from the method to the actual function in the OS can't make the framework react fast in any way! Ever seen a .NET CF stack trace in case of an exception? I've only seen Java producing so huge stack traces)
I blame MS for not being able to understand their users and take for granted that in late 2000, users still want to use styluses... Get rid of them! I blame MS for not being able to consider that Portable devices ARE NOT Desktop Computers and rules applying to the later ones do NOT apply to former ones. MS lack everything, from long term vision to technical expertise!
Their only strength lies in the fact that WinMo devices are so spread in the world that they have some kind of assured market. If the market was the result of technical merits, WinMo wouldn't even exist!

xaccers said:
Could someone please direct me to the Blackstone HTC stock rom with WM6.5?
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HTC decided that Blackstone is an old and deprecated device so only 6.1 ROM is available
For a really stock 6.5 ROM, KWBR Vanilla Series
I've tested 6.5.3 and 6.5.5 ROMs and I haven't yet decided which one to use, I first have to test them thoroughly. I really like "stock" ROMs, not fully featured with builtin software which turns to be "useless" in time with the need of updates. I'd rather update software than reflash my ROM.
* Blackstonehenge : 6.5.3 ROM (28232) => Clean and pretty fast
* Ravage (Clean) : 6.5.5 ROM (23547) => Clean and fast. But, for some reason, I can't find it anymore on the forum.. Anyway, Ravage seems to be a discontinued project.
No other 6.5.5 ROM attracts me, most are overloaded with useless software (for my needs of course) and featuring visual themes that I really don't like

I TOTALY AGREE with you
Without XDA i will never buy a WinMo so here is what we talk about.
If XDA was not avalible do u still will get an HD2? I DONT THINK SO because all you will get with that device is some Stupid apps from Marketplace and etc...
Honestly when i buy my Blackstone if there was not a XDA i will break my device after a mounth of usage and put it in the TRASH...
I dont know but if i was a Microsoft or some HTC director will plan to make a serious very serious DONATION to XDA because i don`t know who will buy something without support.
All the Guys from here are here because they want to be here and they are for free here so imagine if they was not here.
so HTC and Microsoft must to buy for each member here one Bentley minimum for the jobs they did...

Sithlord said:
HTC decided that Blackstone is an old and deprecated device so only 6.1 ROM is available
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Exactly what I thought.
So by putting a cooked rom of an OS on the blackstone and saying it's slow isn't really a reasonable thing to do.
It would be like me taking my HX2190b with a cooked WM6.5 ROM on it and complaining that it's slow (which it isn't come to think of it).
When PDAs first came out, the mindset amongst not only the manufacturers but also the users was they were pocket PC's, and so should have similar interfaces as the current PC OS.
The screens were not that large or responsive and usually had a large bevel around them.
Due to the low resolution and therefore low useful text/icon size it made sense to use a stylus, just as it made sense to give it a file manager and start menu that resembled the PC's.
You still had finger friendly shortcuts.
PDAs were a niche market, it was years before someone in the business thought of combining the two and that was into a smartphone with a tiny screen.
OK in developer land there were people who were slowly creating dialers which turned your PDA into a windows mobile device via bluetooth to your cellphone but of the ones I knew about they didn't get very far.
M$ have never seemed to put much value on PDAs, and even now, I don't think their low market share really bothers them that much, just look at how awful WP7 looks.

Nexus one! Enough said.
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@ topic: http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone

xaccers said:
Exactly what I thought.
So by putting a cooked rom of an OS on the blackstone and saying it's slow isn't really a reasonable thing to do.
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You REALLY MUST BE KIDDING, don't you?
Stock 6.1 ROM from HTC is painfully slow ! KWBR's WinMo 6.5 is way faster and responsive ! Both Ravage (6.5.5) and BlackstoneHenge (6.5.3) are even faster and responsive.
Nonetheless, all of them are still far away from the smoothness of Android or an iPhone.
xaccers said:
When PDAs first came out, the mindset amongst not only the manufacturers but also the users was they were pocket PC's, and so should have similar interfaces as the current PC OS.
The screens were not that large or responsive and usually had a large bevel around them.
Due to the low resolution and therefore low useful text/icon size it made sense to use a stylus, just as it made sense to give it a file manager and start menu that resembled the PC's.
You still had finger friendly shortcuts.
PDAs were a niche market, it was years before someone in the business thought of combining the two and that was into a smartphone with a tiny screen.
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That's exactly my point! The pure lack of vision from MS. Trying to reproduce on PDAs what was done on desktops... Just like trying to fit in a motorcycle everything coming from a car (seats, pedals, stiringwheel, gearbox, ..) on the sole basic idea that both are vehicles, eventhough they have nothing to do one another...

This has zero credibility to me.
But I think there has been a real accidental leak. See the following for the real thing:
http://m.gizmodo.com/site?sid=gizmo...s-is-apples-next-iphone?op=post&refId=5520164
http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone?skyline=true&s=i
The phone has been cleverly disguised as a 3GS with a specially made plastic case. When it was first found in the bar, it was working, running OS4.0. After a while, it was deactivated by Apple and can now only show the USB cable connecting to iTune logo. When plugged into iTune, it is identified as an iPhone.
Apparently, Geohot, our Godman hacker, the author of BlackRa1n, wants to re-activate this phone now. So, all evidence point to the authencity of this as the real next iPhone.
Cheers.
tsalta said:
Hello guys i wana ask you what you think about the new iPhone 4G that must to be released after around 2 mounths.. here will atach some Pics and Specs but note that this is not release yet just is info floated in internet.
We know very well that the iPhone 3GS is alot more faster and FInger Friendly than WinMo.. also the screen and etc.. once i play with an iPhone i was amazed how sensitive it is.. and how Smooth and Fast is everything.. the reason to stop me buy a iPhone is because of the Battery and of the Bad Camera.. and some litle more things..
But now in the new iPhone 4G this is not a problem anymore because he will have removable battery and i think a good 3.2 Camera..
Also the design of the device is complate diferent and now not looking like a soap-dish now look really stilysh and is very very slim.
I wonder that will be the proccessor but will wait to see, also i think that now even more peoples will begin to use an iPhone..
I Hear that the processor will be dual Core and the camera can be even 5 megapixels not 3.2 but all this is guessing we will wait to see the final product but with sure will be something Superb Cool..
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Is flash coming with Mango?

Hello my friends !
Anyone knows if flash feature is coming with mango?
Thank you
Sent from my HD7 T9292 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

highly doubtful since they are going all about HTML5 video on the web which is better in many ways.
but flash, your better off asking adobe for that answer.
hey maybe since so many API's are going to be released with mango maybe someone will make a plug-in for internet explorer or maybe also make a browser app that comes included with flash allready.
but with flash on the phone you really only want to use it with videos and some vids allready work on the phone since you have youtube for those type of videos, or you can do like i do sometimes.
i watch some revision3 videos and they have links to download the videos and i tap on the download on the video and it plays it automatically.
it briefly shows cannot download file for less than a sec. then it plays the video like any other video.

I would need flash not for playing video but to use websites flash made
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Adobe has confirmed that Flash will be coming to WP7. The main question is when. Probably after Mango as right now IE doesn't have plug-in support & HOPEFULLY that'll come with Mango. Just Google "Adobe Flash WP7" & you'll see multiple articles stating this.

Thank you i will check google
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It amazes me that people still go on about Flash on smartphones. Everyone slagged off Apple for not doing it on the iPhone but they have been proven right because Adobe have never released a version that runs well, even four years later.
If you really want Flash, get an Android phone and watch it go all slow and laggy when you hit a page with Flash content. It's just not worth the hassle.

BlitterTwisted said:
It amazes me that people still go on about Flash on smartphones. Everyone slagged off Apple for not doing it on the iPhone but they have been proven right because Adobe have never released a version that runs well, even four years later.
If you really want Flash, get an Android phone and watch it go all slow and laggy when you hit a page with Flash content. It's just not worth the hassle.
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I've never had a problem on an android phone with flash. Never had any lag what so ever. As long as the phone has the hardware to run it, it will not lag. This includes flash enabled websites. I had an HD2 and a MT4G with flash and they ran just fine with no lag on flash videos or flash enabled websites. And the HD7 has the hardware and capability to run flash and flash enabled content just fine without any lag.

truckerdewd said:
I've never had a problem on an android phone with flash. Never had any lag what so ever.
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Lmfao! The whole OS is littered with lag, especially the browser. Flash only makes it worse. Android is fast but not fluid which are two very different things, and when you compare it to iOS or WP7, it doesn't compare. Once I experienced the fluidity of Windows Phone, I knew I would never look back to Android again. As for flash within IE9/10 that's a good question and Microsoft said they have no immediate plans to support it but the majority of that responsibility really lies on Adobe so... As far as is currently known, there is no support coming for it. What I'd like to know is; would there be any adverse effects on browser performance like on Android.

Flash doesnt load on android anymore =]
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"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
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Luisraul924 said:
Lmfao! The whole OS is littered with lag, especially the browser. Flash only makes it worse. Android is fast but not fluid which are two very different things, and when you compare it to iOS or WP7, it doesn't compare. Once I experienced the fluidity of Windows Phone, I knew I would never look back to Android again. As for flash within IE9/10 that's a good question and Microsoft said they have no immediate plans to support it but the majority of that responsibility really lies on Adobe so... As far as is currently known, there is no support coming for it. What I'd like to know is; would there be any adverse effects on browser performance like on Android.
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Again, I'll say that I never had any lag with Android when I had it on the HD2 I had or on the MT4G I had. And they where both fast and lag free. Maybe because I used custom builds of Android that were built to be fast and lag free. Yes stock Android on most devices does have lag, even on the MT4G but once you root it and use a custom build that has all the junk removed, then it becomes fast and lag free. I'm not saying it's better than WP7 as I own a HD7, I like both for Android and WP7, I'm just saying that each os has it's pros and cons. So with that being said, if you have a good solid stable build of Android, then it doesn't lag with flash. And yes, only Adobe knows when they will have flash ready for WP7, so until then, we'll just have to be patient.

truckerdewd said:
Again, I'll say that I never had any lag with Android when I had it on the HD2 I had or on the MT4G I had. And they where both fast and lag free. Maybe because I used custom builds of Android that were built to be fast and lag free. Yes stock Android on most devices does have lag, even on the MT4G but once you root it and use a custom build that has all the junk removed, then it becomes fast and lag free. I'm not saying it's better than WP7 as I own a HD7, I like both for Android and WP7, I'm just saying that each os has it's pros and cons. So with that being said, if you have a good solid stable build of Android, then it doesn't lag with flash. And yes, only Adobe knows when they will have flash ready for WP7, so until then, we'll just have to be patient.
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No lag ever? Good for you. I used to have a Droid running CM7 and one day just got fed up with having to tweak everything to get it the way I wanted so much so that I was in recovery mode probably more than actually using it as a phone. It still lagged but I guess you could chock that one up to aged hardware, anyways I ended up throwing it at the wall hard enough to break the screen and the rest of the phone along with it and pretty much just said **** Android and **** Google they obviously don't know how to listen to their followers as people have been asking for some form of hardware acceleration to aid the lag since I don't know how long. Having to resort to custom ROMs to aid an issue that should've been fixed long ago is absolutely not an enjoyable experience for the average consumer. Oh and I just remembered, since IE mobile doesn't support plug-ins (I didn't hear anything about it for IE9 either) it's still up to Microsoft...

I call BS, I had a HD2, and tried literlly every Android rom I could find, SD and NAND version, yes some ran fast, but they all lag to some extent, and the browser is allways jumpy. Not that it was unusable by compared to iOS or WP7 the browser experiance is horrible. Its capable of doing more, but at the same time it is far more frustrating to use.
ETA: Friendly Signiture you have BTW...

Watch this video at about 4:40, you can hear that there is "no flash support" from a windows phone official.
http://www.youtube.com/user/pocketnowvideo#p/u/58/EWiKP18ijxE
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SL55

SL55 said:
Watch this video at about 4:40, you can hear that there is "no flash support" from a windows phone official.
http://www.youtube.com/user/pocketnowvideo#p/u/58/EWiKP18ijxE
Regards,
SL55
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cool demo....

SL55 said:
Watch this video at about 4:40, you can hear that there is "no flash support" from a windows phone official.
http://www.youtube.com/user/pocketnowvideo#p/u/58/EWiKP18ijxE
Regards,
SL55
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Where did you here that? One guy asked, "Can you talk about Flash support?" The MS guy said, "No talk about Flash support." In other words, they didn't want to give an official statement. That is a big difference between not talking about it & saying it's not coming.
So the questions is, are we going to support Flash in IE9 for Windows Phone
We are working with Adobe, but it has not yet been decided the last time I checked--part of that is Adobe is doing what they have to do and we're doing what we have to do. The last I checked the team is working with them but I don't think they have any announcement whether it's going to definitely work or not.
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My version whoring has become detrimental to my SSD - Am I weird or is this normal?

Ok, so I have figured that I have kinda got this weird OCD like issue that has met at a point of decision.
I am not sure if I am alone here or not? But I will explain and see if there are others out there like me?
First of all I think that I am unique and weird as far as this specific issue is concerned. I am going to state some specifics around certain aspects of my characteristics, that I think should separate me from the typical (more common types) amoung us.
(man that was a big convoluted sentence - reads again....yup that is what I wanted to say, continue).
So...I have been playing with Android since eclair, which was mainly just basic mods to stock ROM anyway. I started out with my first modded full ROM at Froyo DarkyROM for my SGS1. This was the point that hooked me, and I pretty much went about doing my own mods to ROMs since then.
I have a laptop which now contains all of my dev stuff, with exception of my linux/ubuntu virtual machine that is solely responsible for building android that reside son my desktop PC (currently decomishioned whilst I upgrade other PCs etc). This laptop has a solid state drive that is 180GB in size (and yes I know before you rant on about how I have got things wrong way around with virtual machine being not on SSD I will explain.
This is for context only, I have my PC (that is only in opperational order so I can do things on it to get me by till I upgrade) that has the VM for not just linux but a heap of other work related PC stuff for mapping. I am a cartographer and use mapping applications and servers and all sorts of stuff that needs to be in a VM and the SSD wouldn't be big enough to house them all. Anyway I diverse....as I usually do.
I have this weird habit where I have kept every stable build I have made since Froyo. If it's not stable it gets trashed, that's no issue. And also since I got roasted by XDA early (false accusations and mistaken/confusion of using someone elses work) I have had a paranoyer of keeping all of the sources (that made up these stable builds *only*).
My solid state drive is getting full....and we all know that performance takes a massive nose dive as these SSDs reach max capacity.
My computer is very well organised though. Everything is structured and there is mostly not many duplicates across the drive. I have even gone about systematic cleansing as much as I can see fit. HOWEVER.....I cannot seem to bring my self to pressing the delete key to a nice stable build of gingerbread I once used for my SGS1 that I no longer even have anymore?
See that's where I seperate my self from the people who just plain hoard anything and everything and keep just about everything even if it was ****. Those types I guess (and from what I have seen) leave their PCs in such a disarray and kaos to begin with that it would seem expected that they were full to the point I am even before me, and probably 3 times over already. Or these are the types that would just fill a drive and begin their rampage on another new drive waiting to be filled.
Am I weird? Is this normal? Do others like me exist on these forums? Is there even anyone on these forums that has been around as long as Eclair (Yes eclair and froyo are versions of Android LOL:laugh.
Feel free to post a response. Rant and abuse at will, I'm ready for hurtling payouts.
Should I actually say good by to my long lost versions of Android that will never be flashed every again? Or will they become like video games like froga and donky kong and come back into fashion where I will feel the need to be nostalgic? (btw I am having a joke at my own expense here...I don't seriously ever think that will happen - but does not encourage myself any more to press delete).

I doubt this is going to generate the response of anyone with an attention span that's greater than the length of my post.
For reference: This includes all dev tools besides linux it's self. This includes 3 devices, all Samsung. Galaxy S1, Galaxy S2 and now Galaxy S3.
This includes stable builds not builds I have released. This spans 5 versions of Android

this thread has bamboozled me,
i'm curious to read the whole eyestraining paragraph,
but as i read further my mind explodes,

That'd have been a lot less taxing if it was written in proper English... Now my head hurts. *ouch*
Can't you simply copy all of it to a backup external drive? To free up some space?

TL;dr... son, it's called puberty... just sit back and let nature do it's thing...

Quasimodem said:
TL;dr... son, it's called puberty... just sit back and let nature do it's thing...
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Lol.

Holy mother of TL;DR's.
Sent from my Nexus 7

Eclair and Froyo weren't that long ago. Anybody who owned a GS1 used both.
There's really no reason to be holding onto older Android versions. You're not going to use them and the source code is available should you ever want it. Software doesn't become "collectible" since it's not a tangible thing.
Also whoring isn't even appropriate in this context. More like hoarding.

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I'll go ahead and indulge the OP... long long time ago... back in the 386, 9600baud modem days, I too, was all about organization on my puter... I had directory trees and everything... Would even go so far as to decide should a word be capitalized or not... Then my balls dropped, and suddenly such things became trivial... I was no longer worried about a cluttered root C:\ folder, or extra lines in the autoexec.bat... Hope everything works out for you!

im gonna answer your question at the title because i just didnt read your post -__-
Am I weird or is this normal?
(man that was a big convoluted sentence - reads again....yup that is what I wanted to say, continue).
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you are weird.

Jarmezrocks said:
Ok, so I have figured that I have kinda got this weird OCD like issue that has met at a point of decision.
I am not sure if I am alone here or not? But I will explain and see if there are others out there like me?
First of all I think that I am unique and weird as far as this specific issue is concerned. I am going to state some specifics around certain aspects of my characteristics, that I think should separate me from the typical (more common types) amoung us.
(man that was a big convoluted sentence - reads again....yup that is what I wanted to say, continue).
So...I have been playing with Android since eclair, which was mainly just basic mods to stock ROM anyway. I started out with my first modded full ROM at Froyo DarkyROM for my SGS1. This was the point that hooked me, and I pretty much went about doing my own mods to ROMs since then.
I have a laptop which now contains all of my dev stuff, with exception of my linux/ubuntu virtual machine that is solely responsible for building android that reside son my desktop PC (currently decomishioned whilst I upgrade other PCs etc). This laptop has a solid state drive that is 180GB in size (and yes I know before you rant on about how I have got things wrong way around with virtual machine being not on SSD I will explain.
This is for context only, I have my PC (that is only in opperational order so I can do things on it to get me by till I upgrade) that has the VM for not just linux but a heap of other work related PC stuff for mapping. I am a cartographer and use mapping applications and servers and all sorts of stuff that needs to be in a VM and the SSD wouldn't be big enough to house them all. Anyway I diverse....as I usually do.
I have this weird habit where I have kept every stable build I have made since Froyo. If it's not stable it gets trashed, that's no issue. And also since I got roasted by XDA early (false accusations and mistaken/confusion of using someone elses work) I have had a paranoyer of keeping all of the sources (that made up these stable builds *only*).
My solid state drive is getting full....and we all know that performance takes a massive nose dive as these SSDs reach max capacity.
My computer is very well organised though. Everything is structured and there is mostly not many duplicates across the drive. I have even gone about systematic cleansing as much as I can see fit. HOWEVER.....I cannot seem to bring my self to pressing the delete key to a nice stable build of gingerbread I once used for my SGS1 that I no longer even have anymore?
See that's where I seperate my self from the people who just plain hoard anything and everything and keep just about everything even if it was ****. Those types I guess (and from what I have seen) leave their PCs in such a disarray and kaos to begin with that it would seem expected that they were full to the point I am even before me, and probably 3 times over already. Or these are the types that would just fill a drive and begin their rampage on another new drive waiting to be filled.
Am I weird? Is this normal? Do others like me exist on these forums? Is there even anyone on these forums that has been around as long as Eclair (Yes eclair and froyo are versions of Android LOL:laugh.
Feel free to post a response. Rant and abuse at will, I'm ready for hurtling payouts.
Should I actually say good by to my long lost versions of Android that will never be flashed every again? Or will they become like video games like froga and donky kong and come back into fashion where I will feel the need to be nostalgic? (btw I am having a joke at my own expense here...I don't seriously ever think that will happen - but does not encourage myself any more to press delete).
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I can relate a little to hoarding software...
Ended up just deleting saves and grinding up old discs.
Never gave that stuff a second thought after it was gone.

Feel better i have gone on a mass deletion rampage. Goodbye old ROM versions.
Oh and sorry for yesterday. You kind of caught me on a high as my medication kicked in. I apologise. I have narcolepsy, and I am given amphetamines to stay awake.
Already doesn't help that I can type at blazing speeds let alone being supercharged. Picture Hammy from that cartoon movie 'Over The Hedge' (after an energy drink). That's me some days ....I can just never tell? I could've taken a left down struggle street and none of my medication is working for me, then like 4-6 hours later the meds from morning, lunch and afternoon all kick in at once and I am riding the outter lane of the Autobahn.
You guys wore the brunt of my med posting. Please disregard....I now have a moment of clarity (I get them sometimes too).