Hi Guys
Found this: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/android-building/-ymcoMuDAbA
Nexus Factory Images (Nexus 4 image is on there): https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
Nexus 4 is not supported by AOSP.
"If AOSP starts pointing toward Nexus 4, you are having a bad problem, and you will not go to space today (i.e.: there is nothing in AOSP related to Nexus 4)." - JBQ
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He also confirmed on Google+.
Imperticus said:
Nexus 4 is not supported by AOSP.
He also confirmed on Google+.
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Not being a developer, I'm not really sure of the implications of this. What are the implications?
raze599 said:
Not being a developer, I'm not really sure of the implications of this. What are the implications?
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Meaning the sources for N4 will not be provided by Google, like they did/do with all other Nexus devices. You won't be able to just download the Android sources and build a ROM like you were able to with other nexus devices.
Imperticus said:
Meaning the sources for N4 will not be provided by Google, like they did/do with all other Nexus devices. You won't be able to just download the Android sources and build a ROM like you were able to with other nexus devices.
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Can you give us a link? I just ordered a Nexus 4 and this is awful news.
The Groups link doesn't use clear language and doesn't rule out future release..
this shouldn't be in the dev section
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mark manning said:
this shouldn't be in the dev section
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Im sorry if its in the wrong section but I understood the sticky to say that stock rom's are allowed in the dev section. Please close/move if necessary.
JBQ's post here - https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/android-building/-ymcoMuDAbA
It clearly says "There is nothing in AOSP related to Nexus 4"
On google+ I asked him: "Does that mean Nexus 4 not supported by AOSP?"
JBQ: Correct.
Me: But any plans to include N4 in AOSP later on?
JBQ: I can't comment about the future, sorry.
Imperticus said:
JBQ's post here - https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/android-building/-ymcoMuDAbA
It clearly says "There is nothing in AOSP related to Nexus 4"
On google+ I asked him: "Does that mean Nexus 4 not supported by AOSP?"
JBQ: Correct.
Me: But any plans to include N4 in AOSP later on?
JBQ: I can't comment about the future, sorry.
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wtf is this nonsense!!!
it's a Nexus device just like the Nexus 7, 10, Galaxy Nexus, etc...y shouldn't it have AOSP?! :crying:
if this were true, then T-Mobile should have went ahead and added wifi calling to their version.
Imperticus said:
JBQ's post here - https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/android-building/-ymcoMuDAbA
It clearly says "There is nothing in AOSP related to Nexus 4"
On google+ I asked him: "Does that mean Nexus 4 not supported by AOSP?"
JBQ: Correct.
Me: But any plans to include N4 in AOSP later on?
JBQ: I can't comment about the future, sorry.
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Oh well at least the factory image is up there. Hope it gets supported by AOSP in the future though.
Let the games begin
No support for AOSP=*%$$#%
"I can't comment on the future of Nexus 4 in AOSP, sorry. -jbq"
huh?? wtfbbq
I just spent rent money on 2 n4's that I stayed up all night trying to buy I WILL have satisfaction
You really can not wait, can you? I am pretty sure the nexus 4 will hit aosp soon, the answer jb gave is a standard answer from him..
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torxx said:
You really can not wait, can you? I am pretty sure the nexus 4 will hit aosp soon, the answer jb gave is a standard answer from him..
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It's just really stupid from Google to say something like "I can't comment about the future."
There is a reason for it and I think it's quite logical to tell it. It wasn't a problem to tell why the N7 3G can't get AOSP support so why should it be a problem with the N4.
Nebucatnetzer said:
It's just really stupid from Google to say something like "I can't comment about the future."
There is a reason for it and I think it's quite logical to tell it. It wasn't a problem to tell why the N7 3G can't get AOSP support so why should it be a problem with the N4.
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that is what worries me
anyhow 4.2 is live and I'm pulling it down now
*nearly done with my first build for iconia a500
*built flashed and booting woot
The factory image is for all country ?
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JBQ - " there is nothing in AOSP
related to Nexus 4"
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/?fromgroups#!topic/android-building/-ymcoMuDAbA
dafuq???
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That really sucks!
Yeah that does suck. Looks like I'm skipping this device.
Ya. Pretty much...
Too bad I already ordered it -.-
Oh well... he also said that he cannot comment on it being included in the future. I'm hoping by the time people start receiving them it will be added
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Not quite sure what this means for us, can somebody explain to me in noob terms?
You guys are interpreting that wrong.
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Audioboxer said:
Not quite sure what this means for us, can somebody explain to me in noob terms?
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its like any Samsung htc device that don't have open sourced drivers - hal's which is sucks :crying:
yahyoh said:
its like any Samsung htc device that don't have open sourced drivers - hal's which is sucks :crying:
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FUUUU
I just sold my One X to get away from a gimped development scene...
The N4 is aosp they are talking about something else
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Audioboxer said:
FUUUU
I just sold my One X to get away from a gimped development scene...
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hehe , calm down cuz u will have vanilla android working out of the box ( so cm or aokp will work too i think )
Just means they haven't released source for it yet, nothing more significant than that. Sometimes stuff isn't finished enough for release, or they have licensing issues with a driver or two. Google *always* eventually release though.
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The N4 is aosp they are talking about something else
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-If AOSP starts pointing toward Nexus 4, you are having a bad problem,
and you will not go to space today (i.e.: there is nothing in AOSP
related to Nexus 4).
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WTF!!!!!!!!!!!! is it really not aosp....??
i sold my galaxy s3 and my brother kept an order for 16 gb nexus over there in us for me....
i fu**ked up....
... confused : how open sourced are other Nexus devices?
I think some of you are overreacting. It's not in AOSP, YET.
From the man himself
To clarify: Nexus 4 is not supported in AOSP at the moment: no source
files, no binaries.
JBQ
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... confused : how open sourced where other Nexus devices?
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Well, you can download AOSP, type a few commands and have something that boots a nexus device fairly quickly. I haven't looked too hard at it but assume there are some binary drivers that get thrown in there.
Google haven't release the build system for the N4 yet - OTOH you could probably hack one together yourself (none of the hardware on the N4 is new to android so presumably the drivers are out there somewhere).
All nexus devices are trivial to update via fastboot, and have builtin unlocks, and the N4 doesn't change that.
Fingers crossed it will be I need the AOSP browser haha
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My guess is that they cant open source a lot of the qualcomm stuff for the modem and the SOC. The TI OMAP is a very open SOC, but they are basically the only ones in the business that do that so if someone want to tinker with GPU, SOC or modem drivers the nexus 4 will not be as open as the galaxy nexus.
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Fingers crossed it will be I need the AOSP browser haha
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What the hell are you talking about? It still runs stock android...
Hello
As you know the release of Samsung Galaxy S4 GE and HTC One GE offering the same flavour as Nexus users already have a taste for.
Do you think inclusion of the new type of camera app and various other features in these junks defeats the purpose of owning a Nexus? It is we who should get the update of even a minute bug squash or changes to any core app.
What would be the update cycle of these junk phones? Will the Android updates be prioritised for the Nexus or will it released for the junks together?
Sorry for being rude, as a loyal Nexus fan, I seriously hate these so called idiotic Google Edition.
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Hello
As you know the release of Samsung Galaxy S4 GE and HTC One GE offering the same flavour as Nexus users already have a taste for.
Do you think inclusion of the new type of camera app and various other features in these junks defeats the purpose of owning a Nexus? It is we who should get the update of even a minute big squash or changes to any core app.
What would be the update cycle of these junk phones? Will the Android updates be prioritised for the Nexus or will it released for the junks together?
Sorry if I was rude, being a loyal Nexus fan, I seriously hate these so called idiotic Google Edition.
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Well, this killed it for me
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...play-edition-one-or-s4-oems-will-handle-otas/
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Well, this killed it for me
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...play-edition-one-or-s4-oems-will-handle-otas/
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I'm right there with you buddy. The reason I love Nexus devices is, if something goes wrong I can flash the factory image and everything is good again. No factory image from Google = no go for me.
Edit: Before I start to see "HTC has the ruu and Samsung phones use Odin to flash back to stock". I don't like one click methods. I want to fastboot flash all the images one at a time so I can see what's going on.
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trentreed said:
Well, this killed it for me
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...play-edition-one-or-s4-oems-will-handle-otas/
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Bullseye!
Just wondering if you can flash sense/touchwiz to these phones.
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Just wondering if you can flash sense/touchwiz to these phones.
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Why would someone do that? Just get the regular version...
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lyall29 said:
I'm right there with you buddy. The reason I love Nexus devices is, if something goes wrong I can flash the factory image and everything is good again. No factory image from Google = no go for me.
Edit: Before I start to see "HTC has the ruu and Samsung phones use Odin to flash back to stock". I don't like one click methods. I want to fastboot flash all the images one at a time so I can see what's going on.
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Its the same thing... You can see it happening step by step and what's occurring during each step.. That's silly if you ask me..
What turns me off is the simple fact that they are fake nexus devices.. While we will get Google updates almost immediately, those devices still have to rely on HTC or Samsung remembering to keep their thumbs out of their asses..
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http://www.droid-life.com/2013/06/2...eive-updates-shortly-after-they-are-released/
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Well, this killed it for me
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...play-edition-one-or-s4-oems-will-handle-otas/
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I sound like a broken record saying this since day 1. The OEMs have to put their proprietary drivers and kernels (firmware) into the image or the software wont' know how to communicate with the hardware. I guess if the OEMs were willing to release them to Google then I guess Google could handle the updates. Then you have to ask: why would Google take on that responsibility? Would the OEMs openly give Google those drivers in a day and age where anyone can sue anyone over anything because something looks similar to something else? None of that makes sense.
Yeah I'm kinda dissapointed... I want the latest and greatest on my N4 but still don't have it... Hopefully it's just a matter of days... Hopefully hours....
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PJcastaldo said:
Its the same thing... You can see it happening step by step and what's occurring during each step.. That's silly if you ask me..
What turns me off is the simple fact that they are fake nexus devices.. While we will get Google updates almost immediately, those devices still have to rely on HTC or Samsung remembering to keep their thumbs out of their asses..
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One click methods are in no way "the same thing".
Edit: I'm not trying to start an argument here, its my personal preference. If you like one click methods then thats fine.
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Do you think inclusion of the new type of camera app and various other features in these junks defeats the purpose of owning a Nexus? It is we who should get the update of even a minute bug squash or changes to any core app.
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I don't understand what you are saying. What other "features" are you talking about? A red phase beam wallpaper? These phones haven't been released yet. My guess is the N4 will get those changes when 4.3 is released which may come before the GE phones are even released. Most likely lots of backend changes to the camera were needed to get it to work with the new driver hardware in the GE phones.
Once they launch will be the last time they have something the Nexus doesn't. The moment Google said that HTC/Samsung were responsible for updates and they weren't hosting/posting source means those phones will almost certainly be behind the Nexus.
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I don't understand what you are saying. What other "features" are you talking about? A red phase beam wallpaper? These phones haven't been released yet. My guess is the N4 will get those changes when 4.3 is released which may come before the GE phones are even released. Most likely lots of backend changes to the camera were needed to get it to work with the new driver hardware in the GE phones.
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That's the point, why are GEs getting the new camera app with new arc like settings and Nexus are left behind. Why is that "we" should wait for 4.3 and expect that the new camera would be included in that. It is a clear blow to the loyal Nexus owners who actually gets all updates to the Android first, even a small bug squash.
And talking about other features, I'm sure there would be some still hidden not available to the Nexus owners.
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I'm right there with you buddy. The reason I love Nexus devices is, if something goes wrong I can flash the factory image and everything is good again. No factory image from Google = no go for me.
Edit: Before I start to see "HTC has the ruu and Samsung phones use Odin to flash back to stock". I don't like one click methods. I want to fastboot flash all the images one at a time so I can see what's going on.
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+1 Only Nexus reveal the real beauty of Android.
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That's the point, why are GEs getting the new camera app with new arc like settings and Nexus are left behind. Why is that "we" should wait for 4.3 and expect that the new camera would be included in that. It is a clear blow to the loyal Nexus owners who actually gets all updates to the Android first, even a small bug squash.
And talking about other features, I'm sure there would be some still hidden still not available to the Nexus owners.
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Oh boo-hoo. We'll get an update soon enough.
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El Daddy said:
Oh boo-hoo. We'll get an update soon enough.
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Hmm...wait and watch.
why are some people sooo sensitive, "my nexus should get this first" , "all others must wait" ...
look a little out of the box, these Google Edition phones are promoting stock android, whether they'll get updates parallel with the nexus or will join after a few days/weeks delay it doesn't matter. We all want more stock android options, and that's a step in the right direction, popularizing stock bloat-free android.
So, yeah, grow up and stop acting like samsung galaxy/iphone/etc.. blinded fanboys.
Can't believe you guys are complaining about a new camera app and live wallpaper. Nexus is just asop pure android 100% Google stuff... Doesn't mean Google owes us latest of the latest updates.
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That's the point, why are GEs getting the new camera app with new arc like settings and Nexus are left behind. Why is that "we" should wait for 4.3 and expect that the new camera would be included in that. It is a clear blow to the loyal Nexus owners who actually gets all updates to the Android first, even a small bug squash.
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How do you know the GE phones will get those features first? They haven't even been released yet? And they won't be in users hands until after July 9th.
Looks like Nexus 5 is going to be easy to develop for...
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Heads up, if you want one on Sprint, you can order the same device via the Play Store as well.
I'm pretty sure this also means one "Nexus 5 Android/Original Development" Section for all 3 carriers (ATT/TMobile/Sprint) and there won't have to be separation between ROMs. (maguro/toro/toroplus)
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I'm not so sure this belongs here Sir.
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JCreazy said:
I'm not so sure this belongs here Sir.
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it's about Android Development for ROMs for the Nexus 5. If it doesn't belong a mod is welcome to move it, but until ROMs and kernels actually show up, isn't it nice to have something here?
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Looks like Nexus 5 is going to be easy to develop for...
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thats very nice to see especially if groups of devs all pitch in to one rom..
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it's about Android Development for ROMs for the Nexus 5. If it doesn't belong a mod is welcome to move it, but until ROMs and kernels actually show up, isn't it nice to have something here?
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There will be at least 2 versions, D820 and D821, these will need different kernel/modem etc probably, but they should be similar and since its nexus it should be pretty easy to fix for both in either seperate or same file.
Also, this is a question, so no, it doesnt belong in Development.
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There will be at least 2 versions, D820 and D821, these will need different kernel/modem etc probably, but they should be similar and since its nexus it should be pretty easy to fix for both in either seperate or same file.
Also, this is a question, so no, it doesnt belong in Development.
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I believe it does fit under [R&D], which is allowed. This is something that is useful to be discussed.
Even though you may have the "North America" LD-D820 and the "International" LD-D821, you will not have all the splintering from the carriers. With the gen3 Galaxy Nexus, it wa always, does this work on Toro or just Maguro, etc? ONE version of a custom ROM for all of U.S/Canada will be great.
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I believe it does fit under [R&D], which is allowed. This is something that is useful to be discussed.
Even though you may have the "North America" LD-D820 and the "International" LD-D821, you will not have all the splintering from the carriers. With the gen3 Galaxy Nexus, it wa always, does this work on Toro or just Maguro, etc? ONE version of a custom ROM for all of U.S/Canada will be great.
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I'm on Sprint, and being able to grab a flash the same .zip that AT&T users flash is something all OEMs should adopt.
Also even though officially it's not available for Verizon, it runs on the Verizon CDMA/LTE bands, meaning with some ESN tricks (that I won't mention), one could easily get an N5 working on Verizon.
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I'm on Sprint, and being able to grab a flash the same .zip that AT&T users flash is something all OEMs should adopt.
Also even though officially it's not available for Verizon, it runs on the Verizon CDMA/LTE bands, meaning with some ESN tricks (that I won't mention), one could easily get an N5 working on Verizon.
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Haha I'm on vzw w my gnex. If thats the case I would def buy and do whatever the tweak is. That would be awesome, best phone--- best coverage...none of the vzw dragging feet
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ChazzMatt said:
it's about Android Development for ROMs for the Nexus 5. If it doesn't belong a mod is welcome to move it, but until ROMs and kernels actually show up, isn't it nice to have something here?
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NO!
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?can=2&start=0&num=100&q=&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20Stars&groupby=&sort=&id=62375
Having tried it on my Nexus 5 i cant see what all the fuss is about, yeah stuff opens a little quicker but its hardly life shattering.
wtf??
im using ART on my 2012 nexus 7 without issue. sure, a few apps donr work on ART(like pandora) but the device seems like it took a dose of speed. its fast without ART, but faster with. ART isnt available on the nexus 7(2012) stock img, but it is available for the nexus 7 on aosp builds.
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Having tried it on my Nexus 5 i cant see what all the fuss is about, yeah stuff opens a little quicker but its hardly life shattering.
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I know that the reason it is not on here is because of I\O wear out on the flash memory.(Crappy chip)
This device can't handle the strain of ART.
I'm just a little irritated that google won't put it in the DEVELOPER!!!! options in there stock build.
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wtf??
im using ART on my 2012 nexus 7 without issue. sure, a few apps donr work on ART(like pandora) but the device seems like it took a dose of speed. its fast without ART, but faster with. ART isnt available on the nexus 7(2012) stock img, but it is available for the nexus 7 on aosp builds.
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I love that kernel
And thanks for the second link in your sig.
I dont want to load up another build though.
And geez. I would figure that google would put it in the for crying out loud developer options.
I like it completely stock.
I start from the ground up with modifying the build to my liking.
Thats why I'm a huge fan of Xposed Framework and the Arch Linux model.
Rant^
Why complain here? is anyone significant going read it.?
I think an explanation is what we need. Obviously it was a technical issue, but like every technical issue, Google leaves us in the dark and leaves us to speculate. I'd also like to know why we can't get a kernal higher than 3.1 when nvidia actually makes a 3.4 kernal too.
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Cor-master said:
I think an explanation is what we need. Obviously it was a technical issue, but like every technical issue, Google leaves us in the dark and leaves us to speculate. I'd also like to know why we can't get a kernal higher than 3.1 when nvidia actually makes a 3.4 kernal too.
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Then why post here? a developers forum of all places. if a problem if being had with google, go email em
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Then why post here? a developers forum of all places. if a problem if being had with google, go email em
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I really don't care that much. As far as I'm concerned my nexus 7 feels more like an antique these days and art or a new Kernal isn't going to magically make it a tegra 4 or give it another gig of ram. I was just replying to the topic that's all, wasn't my creation
More or less agreeing with the op. But I think he meant click on the original link and post your complaints there, not here
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It's something I love using on my Nexus 5 (through ElementalX kernel) and on my OnePlus One. Curious if there's a kernel implementation on the Note 4 (Snapdragon version).
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It's something I love using on my Nexus 5 (through ElementalX kernel) and on my OnePlus One. Curious if there's a kernel implementation on the Note 4 (Snapdragon version).
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Ah, the tap to lock/unlock on the ElementalX Nexus 5 was amazing. I posted something like this a while back in a development thread, the developer said he would give it a shot but we haven't heard anything since.
bumping this up a few months later. just ran saw two reviews for Xnote and another ROM, neither seemed to have the feature implemented but i'm hoping it wasn't shown?
anyone? if i'm going back the lack of a response meaning those features don't exist, then i'm surprised. off screen gestures are a great way to skip tracks when the phone is mounted in the car. i know the long press volume button is a popular choice but that requires actual pressure.
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anyone? if i'm going back the lack of a response meaning those features don't exist, then i'm surprised. off screen gestures are a great way to skip tracks when the phone is mounted in the car. i know the long press volume button is a popular choice but that requires actual pressure.
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Bump again
Any news about this feature?
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Bump again
Any news about this feature?
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There is some chatter about this possibility coming to a future update for the custom "Emotion" Note 4 kernel. No promises but many requesting and the dev giving it some interest.
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There is some chatter about this possibility coming to a future update for the custom "Emotion" Note 4 kernel. No promises but many requesting and the dev giving it some interest.
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thank you
is that emotion better than vision and available for n910f?
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thank you
is that emotion better than vision and available for n910f?
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I can't tell you if better than vision or not as I'm not familiar with that kernel. I can say it is a pretty nice & stable kernel (my preference so far) on my 910T. Yes, it is also available for th 910F See it's thread here---> http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/orig-development/tw-kernel-emotroid-team-t2990557
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I can't tell you if better than vision or not as I'm not familiar with that kernel. I can say it is a pretty nice & stable kernel (my preference so far) on my 910T. Yes, it is also available for th 910F See it's thread here---> http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/orig-development/tw-kernel-emotroid-team-t2990557
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Thank you very much but as I see is only for TouchWiz and I have cm12.1
It will work or there is other version?
fazi78 said:
Thank you very much but as I see is only for TouchWiz and I have cm12.1
It will work or there is other version?
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Good point there. I can't tell you if I recall any chatter in that thread here on xda I linked you to in last post. I would suggest you search it with CM 12 or such keywords OR make a post in that thread asking if compatible. :good:
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Good point there. I can't tell you if I recall any chatter in that thread here on xda I linked you to in last post. I would suggest you search it with CM 12 or such keywords OR make a post in that thread asking if compatible. :good:
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Will do. Thanks a lot