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UK Note Owners: What network are you on??

Hi Guys,
I was wondering what network you are using your note on, and how your finding it?
I'm currently on O2, but they aren't doing for free on upgrade yet. The Retention team have told me to wait till Monday before they will know if they are getting it to provide me a better deal.
Meanwhile, I've seen this deal on Phones 4 U. It's on Vodafone and the price plan seems pretty decent (free phone, £46/month for 18months, 900mins, 750MB) compared to anything O2 have to offer on their website at the moment (£105 for the phone, £51/month for 18months, 900mins, 1GB).
Dilemma:
Do I wait (impatiently!!) to see if the O2 Retention team will get it?? (Might be this Monday, might be longer!!!)
Do I jump ship and go with the Vodafone deal from Phones4U??
Do I just get a Nexus......??
All opinions will be greatly appreciated!!
Thanks in advance!

carphonewarehouse (24 contract)
vodafone : free phone £41 a month , 900 mins. unlimited text . 750Mb data and 2Gb BT wifi hotspot
or £79 for phone , £36 a month , 600 mins ,unlimited text , 500Mb data and 2Gb BT wifi hotspot

Wait till monday, haggle to get the deals posted above, but at the same time, figure out how much you really need, and see if GiffGaff + Note off amazon.de (~£460) works out cheaper.

I got myn from amazon.de for £468 then got a sim only plan from T-mobile 300min any network + 300 texts + Unlimited internet for £7.75

ik911 said:
I got myn from amazon.de for £468 then got a sim only plan from T-mobile 300min any network + 300 texts + Unlimited internet for £7.75
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nice. where can i get the same tariff ? i cannot see on the T-mobile site with that price and with unlimited internet. Thanks you

jommy999 said:
nice. where can i get the same tariff ? i cannot see on the T-mobile site with that price and with unlimited internet. Thanks you
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You need to call them

I got mine from Amazon.de for £469
i'm on virgin sim only 800 minutes , 3000 texts, 3000 virgin to virgin minutes 1gb Internet all for £7.53 per month on a 30 day rolling contract

Thanks for the reply guys.
I'm not really looking to buy the phone in cash up front. Especially since £450+ is quite hard to part with in one go.
Also, I'm not looking at other networks apart from O2 and Vodafone as most of them generally have bad customer service or low quality network service.
I'm also not willing to do a 24 month contract. Technology is improving at such a fast rate these days that in 1 years time, the Note will become old school, so ideally, I'd like to upgrade again in 12-18 months.
Does anyone use Vodafone? What are they like generally and for data connection?
Has anyone moved from O2 to Vodafone and seen it as an upgrade in network service?
Thanks guys!!

Hi Shadh1
I got mine from Phones4U online on Vodafone (£24 month contract, Free phone, £41 a month, 900 mins, unlimited text, 750Mb data and 3 month free 2Gb wifi hotspot).
In my opinion (nearly 20 years of mobile use and some of those years managing corporate mobile contracts for businesses) Vodafone currently have the better data network. Voice wise i think they are both as good/bad as each other. As with most things though this is always subjective!
Enjoy your note when you get it, it is really really worth it !

Im on O2. Was on Simplicity.
I got Internet All Rounder 300. 300 mins, unlimited texts, 1gb data, 50mms. £36 PM.
Phone cost £90, would have only been £60 for new customers.
That was from buymobiles. Same deal from O2 was £150

Shadh1 said:
Thanks for the reply guys.
Also, I'm not looking at other networks apart from O2 and Vodafone as most of them generally have bad customer service or low quality network service.
Thanks guys!!
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I never had a problem with Virgin. Always very very fast data and good reception always.

£468 SIM free from amazon.de and giffgaff PAYG for my airtime and data. I'm a light user and chomp through credit at the rate of around £3 per month so over 2 years my total cost will be around £540 give or take.

If you don't have the money to pay upfront, try this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19664438&postcount=20
Use GiffGaff and be a winner

I had a really bad experience with Phoens4u, basically they do not have any stock, and this is an update from yesterday (24/11/11), I just ordered mine from buymobilephones.net on t-mobile, £30 a month, 900 minutes, 500 texts, 500mb internet and phone for £49.99. They have confirmed delivery for tomorrow.
What ever you do, DO NOT GO TO Phones4U, they messed me around for 2 weeks. Nightmare!!!

Similar to a few people here I bought my Note offline and using it with my Vodafone sim-only contract. No problems at all using the Note in Vodafone, I haven't even needed to change a single setting for data.

ik911 said:
I got myn from amazon.de for £468 then got a sim only plan from T-mobile 300min any network + 300 texts + Unlimited internet for £7.75
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I would like to get unlimited internet for £7.75 a month. Can you post a link for I've not been able to find the deal on the T-mobile web site?

Gaugerer said:
I would like to get unlimited internet for £7.75 a month. Can you post a link for I've not been able to find the deal on the T-mobile web site?
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Call them, they seem to have removed it from the website

Shadh1 said:
Thanks for the reply guys.
I'm not really looking to buy the phone in cash up front. Especially since £450+ is quite hard to part with in one go.
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Have a look at moneysavingexpert.com for the best credit cards with 12-18m interest free periods. Set up a standing order to pay it off monthly then get a cheap sim only deal.
SIMples!
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am with t-mobile, was due an upgrade but they do not yet offer this handset and do not know if/when they will be, which is odd since Orange do and they are merged nowadays. Went to CPW and T-mo covered most of the cost of the upgrade price, so I paid £70 with a £35 monthly contract, 18-months. For that I have 1200mins, 500 text, 3Gb internet with webNwalk plus, and an unlimited landline booster. Not 100% sure on the internet though as I'd heard T-mo capped all to 500M since beginning of the month, but that was what I was told by the T-mo support person as we changed the tarrif. I see download rates of up to 1800Kbps which is pretty reasonable.
Note though, none in store a couple days ago, so ordered by phone, was shipped next day delivery from warehouse.
Phones4U don't seem to offer upgrades on T-mo and want to persuade you to switch. They were offering the handset free on a 46/month contract with Voda, same deal as already mentioned, and apparently would cover the cost to terminate from your current provider if near the end, but when I did the math, £11/month over 24 months would have been 3x the handset cost I paid, so not worth thinking about.
Dave

Sub 450 UKP for the phone and 3/three network. 25 quid per month, rolling monthly. Complete freedom but that is 950 quid over 2 years... So it's do as I say and not as I do, for I haven't got 450 to 'spunk' on one of these just yet, either (HD2 still).
There's even a topcashback refund, although it's a bit iffy in my experience. I never got paid out by Three...
Absolutely all you can eat data. I hammer it all day long......Two networked pc's, streamed music, tv...Watching tv and on this now, through the SIM...
2,000 any network minutes
5,000 Three-to-Three minutes
5,000 texts
All-you-can-eat Data
Free Voicemail
Or there are some all you can eat refurbs for 13 quid a month. 24 months, flog the phone, 300/500 mins, 5,000! txts....Now that is tempting..
Am looking at GiffGaff too, but it's about as clear as mud if you can tether with them. Basically it's a No, from what I can gather..

UK equivalent?

Hi all, traditionally Motorola has been releasing the Droid range under the Milestone name here in England, but i havent seen this particular phone anywhere, it is branded under a different name or just simply unavailable? I love qwerty Android phones and the spec is very tempting.
Thanks.
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I did a little research and it seems the keyboard Milestones ended with the release of the Milestone 2.

you should be able to use the droid 4 in the UK with the ICS leak, you just switch it to global mode

dewhashish said:
you should be able to use the droid 4 in the UK with the ICS leak, you just switch it to global mode
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But will it support the 3G bands used here, that's my main concern as I use HSPA on Three UK.
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Atomix86 said:
But will it support the 3G bands used here, that's my main concern as I use HSPA on Three UK.
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Yes, it will support standard 3G bands. I`m using it in Russia and in Europe.

I've tested my Droid 4 in the UK on O2 (900MHz) and T-Mobile (1800MHz). I've not tested it on Three though (2100MHz). On the two networks I have tested GRPS, EDGE, 3G and HSPA all work fine!
If you fancy a trip to South Wales you can try your 3 SIM in my Droid 4 before purchase if you like
That said, if you're planning on importing this phone, why would you even stick with a contract, and if you're not stuck in a contract why would you use Three? They are awful.

Three are fantastic, I get truly unlimited data that can be tethered and a ridiculous amount of minutes and texts, not to mention I get a great signal where I live and average at about 4.5mbps speed. No other network can offer me that. Cheers for the info though ill see if I can dig up any info re: 2100mhz band.
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Huh strange, I've looked online and there is absolutely no information for a gsm version of this phone, all point to a Verizon cdma device. Never mind looks like ill be on the old Desire Z a little longer ha ha.
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Atomix86 said:
Huh strange, I've looked online and there is absolutely no information for a gsm version of this phone, all point to a Verizon cdma device. Never mind looks like ill be on the old Desire Z a little longer ha ha.
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It only works in the UK if you run on the leaked ICS firmware.
See my thread for the full procedure. But I'm running just fine on a rooted stock ROM (albeit the ICS leak) on Giffgaff (O2) in the UK.
And yes, I came from a Desire Z too! Real shame how few QWERTYphones there are these days that we even have to go to the effort of importing an American CDMA phone and hacking it.

Hi peops, I'm still on the old desire z too! Nothing better in the uk for 2 years! Unbelieveable! I was also hopeing for the droid 4, but typically, it doesn't get released here. There is the slight hope of the newly leaked samsung galaxy s blaze q being released over here as it will be on tmobile, but I bet it stayes in the us, yet again. Is being announced august 15th.
Problem is, it needs 2gb ram, not just 1!! Sort it out samsung!!

jmpcrx said:
Hi peops, I'm still on the old desire z too! Nothing better in the uk for 2 years! Unbelieveable! I was also hopeing for the droid 4, but typically, it doesn't get released here. There is the slight hope of the newly leaked samsung galaxy s blaze q being released over here as it will be on tmobile, but I bet it stayes in the us, yet again. Is being announced august 15th.
Problem is, it needs 2gb ram, not just 1!! Sort it out samsung!!
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Just import one yourself. £328 for a brand new one off ebay and £35 in import duties. Still cheaper than buying a brand new contract-free phone from a UK supplier!

Lum_UK said:
Just import one yourself. £328 for a brand new one off ebay and £35 in import duties. Still cheaper than buying a brand new contract-free phone from a UK supplier!
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Thing is, I use my fone as a modem for my pc via hotspot, through tmobile, I have a 3gb contract, but is actually truly unlimited if you know the secret (which I do - just ask if u don't know). I doubt id be able to get a decent amout of txts and calls for say 10-15 a month. And I bet the payg sims don't allow unlimited data. (I currently go though 10 - 20gb a month at the mo with tmobile).
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Just import one yourself. £328 for a brand new one off ebay and £35 in import duties. Still cheaper than buying a brand new contract-free phone from a UK supplier!
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Just import one yourself. £328 for a brand new one off ebay and £35 in import duties. Still cheaper than buying a brand new contract-free phone from a UK supplier!
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Thing is, I use my fone as a modem for my pc via hotspot, through tmobile, I have a 3gb contract, but is actually truly unlimited if you know the secret (which I do - just ask if u don't know). I doubt id be able to get a decent amout of txts and calls for say 10-15 a month. And I bet thepayg sims don't allow unlimited data. (I currently go though 10 - 20gb a month at the mo with tmobile).
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Stupid phone

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Thing is, I use my fone as a modem for my pc via hotspot, through tmobile, I have a 3gb contract, but is actually truly unlimited if you know the secret (which I do - just ask if u don't know). I doubt id be able to get a decent amout of txts and calls for say 10-15 a month. And I bet the payg sims don't allow unlimited data. (I currently go though 10 - 20gb a month at the mo with tmobile).
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I'm told that with giffgaff you can get away with 750MB per day before they start getting funny with you and accusing you of tethering. Not tried it yet.
The Droid 4 works fine on T-Mobile though. I have tested it before I ported my number.
Are T-Mobile still offering that 3gb contract to new customers? I couldn't get it back at the start of 2011 when I switched to them.

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I'm told that with giffgaff you can get away with 750GB per day before they start getting funny with you and accusing you of tethering. Not tried it yet.
The Droid 4 works fine on T-Mobile though. I have tested it before I ported my number.
Are T-Mobile still offering that 3gb contract to new customers? I couldn't get it back at the start of 2011 when I switched to them.
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750GB per day? I think that counts as heavy usage!

Lum_UK said:
I'm told that with giffgaff you can get away with 750GB per day before they start getting funny with you and accusing you of tethering. Not tried it yet.
The Droid 4 works fine on T-Mobile though. I have tested it before I ported my number.
Are T-Mobile still offering that 3gb contract to new customers? I couldn't get it back at the start of 2011 when I switched to them.
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Hi, no they are not, I'm near the end of a 2 year contract, 1gb is the max now I think, but it doesn't really matter as when they restrict your usage from 4pm - midnight, all you have to do is turn flight mode on and off and bingo! No restrictions!
So simple, but it really does work!

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750GB per day? I think that counts as heavy usage!
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Typo.. I meant MB per day!

Got audited by AT$T data sweep system on nexus 4 for $10 data unlimited

Annoyed. Got the dreaded ATT text that I wasn't using the correct data plan for the nexus 4. Was using it on $10 non smart data plan.
AT&T Free Msg: Did you know a data plan is required for your Smartphone? We have added an appropriate data plan. Learn more at www.att.com/dataplans.
Online management shows phone as being unrecognized but they apparently know the phone is a smartphone.
Even the email I got from ATT says
"For whatever reason, our records indicate your Smartphone does not have an eligible data plan. We have added an appropriate Smartphone data plan for your device"
So unlike the Galaxy nexus, ATT does force the $30 data plan. I guess the LG Optimus G is so similar to the Nexus 4 ATT can see it as a smartphone.
It's weird cause the international Galaxy S3 was never recognized on my account when I had it on the $10 data plan.

aneftp said:
Annoyed. Got the dreaded ATT text that I wasn't using the correct data plan for the nexus 4. Was using it on $10 non smart data plan.
AT&T Free Msg: Did you know a data plan is required for your Smartphone? We have added an appropriate data plan. Learn more at www.att.com/dataplans.
Online management shows phone as being unrecognized but they apparently know the phone is a smartphone.
Even the email I got from ATT says
"For whatever reason, our records indicate your Smartphone does not have an eligible data plan. We have added an appropriate Smartphone data plan for your device"
So unlike the Galaxy nexus, ATT does force the $30 data plan. I guess the LG Optimus G is so similar to the Nexus 4 ATT can see it as a smartphone.
It's weird cause the international Galaxy S3 was never recognized on my account when I had it on the $10 data plan.
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Is that legal for them to change your Data package and charge you more money without a notice period first?
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altimax98 said:
Is that legal for them to change your Data package and charge you more money without a notice period first?
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I think it's in the contract that they can do whatever they want, up to and including selling you into slavery for bitcoins to pay your overdue bill. This is AT&T. They have no morals.
Ordered my Nexus 4 on the 13th. Still waiting.

aneftp said:
Annoyed. Got the dreaded ATT text that I wasn't using the correct data plan for the nexus 4. Was using it on $10 non smart data plan.
AT&T Free Msg: Did you know a data plan is required for your Smartphone? We have added an appropriate data plan. Learn more at www.att.com/dataplans.
Online management shows phone as being unrecognized but they apparently know the phone is a smartphone.
Even the email I got from ATT says
"For whatever reason, our records indicate your Smartphone does not have an eligible data plan. We have added an appropriate Smartphone data plan for your device"
So unlike the Galaxy nexus, ATT does force the $30 data plan. I guess the LG Optimus G is so similar to the Nexus 4 ATT can see it as a smartphone.
It's weird cause the international Galaxy S3 was never recognized on my account when I had it on the $10 data plan.
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I got the same text message from them yesterday. I promptly called them back and had them put me back on the $10 data plan. The CSR I spoke to said their system periodically reviews activity on your sim card. If they detect "smartphone type" activity they will switch your plan. I told them nothing about my phone has changed( I've been on MediaNet since getting my N4) and told them its a basic phone(thats what the N4 IMEI comes up as in their system). They had no problem putting me back on MediaNet plan.
I would call them and tell them to put you back on $10 data plan

What is crap about at&t is their is no benefit to owning your own phone. Honestly we shouldn't have to pay as much for data because they aren't subsidizing our phones, but on at&t there isn't much benefit in buying your own phone because you pay the same regardless.
IMO if you subsidized your phone after 2 years and don't bite on early upgrading you should get a discount. And early termination should just be the remaining cost of your subsidized phone. Thats how it should work and fwiw smartphone /dumb phone data plans are stupid too, because it like your ISP deciding to charge you more because you use Firefox instead of ie.
But what can you do really? The only carrier that does it right is T mobile, and they are the bottom of the barrel in coverage. At&t makes way more money on subsidizing phones, only way for things to improve is to kill subsidizing, then carriers will be forced to use the same bands and have to compete on pricing. I think subsidizing is long outdated personally and it time to sell phones like every other consumer electronic.
I mean with the nexus 4 wait for instance I've found I am kind of forced to deal with it because every other comparable phone is like $550, and every sale on has an asterix that states "after 2 year commitment".
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estallings15 said:
I think it's in the contract that they can do whatever they want, up to and including selling you into slavery for bitcoins to pay your overdue bill. This is AT&T. They have no morals.
Ordered my Nexus 4 on the 13th. Still waiting.
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They may have NO morals, but another thing they DON'T have is the N4 IMEI #

Cor-master said:
What is crap about at&t is their is no benefit to owning your own phone. Honestly we shouldn't have to pay as much for data because they aren't subsidizing our phones, but on at&t there isn't much benefit in buying your own phone because you pay the same regardless.
IMO if you subsidized your phone after 2 years and don't bite on early upgrading you should get a discount. And early termination should just be the remaining cost of your subsidized phone. Thats how it should work and fwiw smartphone /dumb phone data plans are stupid too, because it like your ISP deciding to charge you more because you use Firefox instead of ie.
But what can you do really? The only carrier that does it right is T mobile, and they are the bottom of the barrel in coverage. At&t makes way more money on subsidizing phones, only way for things to improve is to kill subsidizing, then carriers will be forced to use the same bands and have to compete on pricing. I think subsidizing is long outdated personally and it time to sell phones like every other consumer electronic.
I mean with the nexus 4 wait for instance I've found I am kind of forced to deal with it because every other comparable phone is like $550, and every sale on has an asterix that states "after 2 year commitment".
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T-Mobile's coverage isn't THAT bad, especially if you stick to more populated areas.
You're right on the subsidy, if I was on AT&T I would buy the most popular high end smartphone every time I was eligible for an upgrade and then sell it on ebay.

OP Just call back your company and say what post number 4 says

se1000 said:
T-Mobile's coverage isn't THAT bad, especially if you stick to more populated areas.
You're right on the subsidy, if I was on AT&T I would buy the most popular high end smartphone every time I was eligible for an upgrade and then sell it on ebay.
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After I get my n4 I might grab a prepaid Tmobile sim just to try it out for a month or so. I can grab the same deal I have on at&t and get unlimited data too for only a $100 a month, nearly $70 leas than what I pay from at&t now so worth a try
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aneftp said:
Annoyed. Got the dreaded ATT text that I wasn't using the correct data plan for the nexus 4. Was using it on $10 non smart data plan.
AT&T Free Msg: Did you know a data plan is required for your Smartphone? We have added an appropriate data plan. Learn more at www.att.com/dataplans.
Online management shows phone as being unrecognized but they apparently know the phone is a smartphone.
Even the email I got from ATT says
"For whatever reason, our records indicate your Smartphone does not have an eligible data plan. We have added an appropriate Smartphone data plan for your device"
So unlike the Galaxy nexus, ATT does force the $30 data plan. I guess the LG Optimus G is so similar to the Nexus 4 ATT can see it as a smartphone.
It's weird cause the international Galaxy S3 was never recognized on my account when I had it on the $10 data plan.
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They can see your user agent when you are browsing using a mobile data connection. That's how they used try to catch people using tethering. It's mostly idiotic because requesting desktop versions of sites causes mobile browsers to fake the UA. They can probably also see traffic from other Google apps such as play store since they use specific ports. My guess is this would have eventually happened on your GNex as well.

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They can see your user agent when you are browsing using a mobile data connection. That's how they used try to catch people using tethering. It's mostly idiotic because requesting desktop versions of sites causes mobile browsers to fake the UA. They can probably also see traffic from other Google apps such as play store since they use specific ports. My guess is this would have eventually happened on your GNex as well.
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Sorry, this is wrong. Tmo DOES look at user agent to block tethering, Att sweeps imeis. Samsung phones are nice because you can " fake" a generic imei by simply erasing (after backup) the efs folder.
FWIW, my solution was a bit different. When I got on their network my goal was basically to grandfather and future proof the hell out of my account. I activated an edge iPhone first (back before they shut down the loop hole), then the same day called in with an atrix imei, then a few months later with a skyrocket imei to go from edge unlimited, to 4g hspa+ unlimited, finally to lte unlimited plan. All genuine smartphone plans and thus subject to grandfathering. In addition anytime I use the wap.cingular apn on my lte plan it doesn't count against my 5gb throttle limit giving me TRUE unlimited (though wap.cingular tops out at a very usable 7.4mbps vs 21 on " phone"). I intentionally skipped the media net plan just for the better "guarantee" of keeping my plan down the road since I KNOW att is a bunch of douchebags.
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I just got placed on the Data Pro plan as well and called up customer service. Our phones get recognized as LG E960, which is in fact the model number for the Nexus 4.
I asked them to switch me back and that I'm using a dumb phone, but they kept me on hold for 10 min and I just hung up. I'm not sure if my plan will revert to MEdia Net.
Is anyone else getting their connection dropped within the first few seconds of data use? It happens to me when I start a speed test or try to listen to NPR. It doesn't always happen, but it does very frequently and I have to wait to reestablish network connectivity. Usually I have to reboot the phone because the app won't reestablish connection even though the phone status states that it has.

Hung0702 said:
I just got placed on the Data Pro plan as well and called up customer service. Our phones get recognized as LG E960, which is in fact the model number for the Nexus 4.
I asked them to switch me back and that I'm using a dumb phone, but they kept me on hold for 10 min and I just hung up. I'm not sure if my plan will revert to MEdia Net.
Is anyone else getting their connection dropped within the first few seconds of data use? It happens to me when I start a speed test or try to listen to NPR. It doesn't always happen, but it does very frequently and I have to wait to reestablish network connectivity. Usually I have to reboot the phone because the app won't reestablish connection even though the phone status states that it has.
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Connection problems are the proxy in your apn, just remove it and you'll be good.
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estallings15 said:
I think it's in the contract that they can do whatever they want, up to and including selling you into slavery for bitcoins to pay your overdue bill. This is AT&T. They have no morals.
Ordered my Nexus 4 on the 13th. Still waiting.
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I don't think AT&T moral is the only one being questioned here, regardless of what AT&T decides to charge, last I check, regardless of AT&T having its IMEI or not, the N4 is technically and practically a smartphone. Not that I have a problem with it, its ATT after all, they are charging my dad for land phone services they didn't install correctly which we canceled. I do have a problem with having a separate tethering plan above the data plan, still do not understand why the FCC and European Commission are fine with this. It's would be similar to Evian selling you water bottles to drink from, but its illegal to use it to water your plants or anything else unless you pay them extra.

estallings15 said:
I think it's in the contract that they can do whatever they want, up to and including selling you into slavery for bitcoins to pay your overdue bill. This is AT&T. They have no morals.
Ordered my Nexus 4 on the 13th. Still waiting.
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How can you lie to AT&T about what kind of phone you have yet accuse them of having no morals ? Getting something without paying for it is called theft. Yes I think they are charging too much but, I have a choice on who I use for service.

eksasol said:
I don't think AT&T moral is the only one being questioned here, regardless of what AT&T decides to charge, last I check, regardless of AT&T having its IMEI or not, the N4 is technically and practically a smartphone. Not that I have a problem with it, its ATT after all, they are charging my dad for land phone services they didn't install correctly which we canceled. I do have a problem with having a separate tethering plan above the data plan, still do not understand why the FCC and European Commission are fine with this. It's would be similar to Evian selling you water bottles to drink from, but its illegal to use it to water your plants or anything else unless you pay them extra.
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LOL So True!

amcplus5 said:
How can you lie to AT&T about what kind of phone you have yet accuse them of having no morals ? Getting something without paying for it is called theft. Yes I think they are charging too much but, I have a choice on who I use for service.
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Honestly, I wasn't referring to that. I was thinking about the way they've treated every single person I know who has service with them over the last few years. I do agree that trying to break the rules is no bueno. Doesn't remove any of their slime, though.
Ordered my Nexus 4 on the 13th. Still waiting.

OP here. Ended up selling Nexus 4 with bumper for $400. Easy sell on Craigslist. Like I said, basically sold it for at cost. Really don't care about making a small profit in the phone.
I called earlier to get the $30 data pro off my account. The CSR said she could add the $10 data plan back on but if ATT see I am using a smartphone it will re add it again.
I am already paying $30 for my unlimited grandfathered LTE iPhone 5 (throttled at 5GB with ATT).
I also have a spare line on my brothers Verizon account that I pay him $45 total. I have a grandfathered unlimited LTE Verizon data plan. I don't even use the phone. I put it in my Verizon LTE iPad and Verizon cannot audit me cause of their FCC agreement. That's why Verizon is forcing people off their unlimited LTE data cause Verizon cannot throttle LTE devices and cannot stop people from moving LTE sims between tablet or cell phone devices.
So I just can't justify paying another $30 data plan on my spare ATT line for the nexus 4. It's a great phone (minus the camera). And I recommend the nexus 4 to all of my friends (who aren't obsessed with their iPhones).
I have been with Cingular /ATT for 9 years so know the ins and outs. Unfortunately we consumers are not getting the greatest value with post paid carriers. The big 3 all know there is close to zero profit in minutes anymore. That's why they essentially give minutes away for free these days.
Data is the only true money maker for carriers these days and they want to maximize profits.
I am not a data hogger by any means. I maybe used 300mb in 2 1/2 weeks with the nexus 4. I don't tether either. If ATT offered a sensible (say 500 mb/$10 data plan) I could reason to keep it. But we all know the game the carriers play. $20/300mb is quite ridiculous.
They know the "average" customer uses around 500-700mb data each month. That's why they set the teaser 300mb/$20. Only light users can be on the 300mb smartphone data plan.
On a bright note. My Verizon LTE data is truly unlimited. I let my 2 year old rack up 5-10GB data on the iPad each month without worries. I've heard some Verizon LTE data user go over 200GB a month cause the Verizon iPad can be used as its own hotspot with LTE.

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Sorry, this is wrong. Tmo DOES look at user agent to block tethering, Att sweeps imeis. Samsung phones are nice because you can " fake" a generic imei by simply erasing (after backup) the efs folder.
FWIW, my solution was a bit different. When I got on their network my goal was basically to grandfather and future proof the hell out of my account. I activated an edge iPhone first (back before they shut down the loop hole), then the same day called in with an atrix imei, then a few months later with a skyrocket imei to go from edge unlimited, to 4g hspa+ unlimited, finally to lte unlimited plan. All genuine smartphone plans and thus subject to grandfathering. In addition anytime I use the wap.cingular apn on my lte plan it doesn't count against my 5gb throttle limit giving me TRUE unlimited (though wap.cingular tops out at a very usable 7.4mbps vs 21 on " phone"). I intentionally skipped the media net plan just for the better "guarantee" of keeping my plan down the road since I KNOW att is a bunch of douchebags.
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Funny that they have the IMEI as it's not an att phone. Yeah tmo was doing the UA sniffing. I assumed att might as well. It seemed they stopped doing it as they have never stopped me from tethering. I pay for data what does it matter how just throttle me when I get to your limit.

I got the message too today morning. I went back to my original smartphone plan of 2 GB since I was never using more than 1 GB. Also the speeds and ping is better on the 'phone' APN of AT&T as compared to the 'cingular' APN.

Nexus 4 8GB + Giffgaff. Match made in heaven?

For UK users considering getting the Nexus 4 and are looking for the best Sim for it, I have to say Giffgaff has me really impressed.
£12 nets you 250 mins, unlimited texts and unlimited* internet (*there's a fair usage policy, but it's something like 30gb a week).
The Unlimited Data means you can really take advantage of the cloud storage options on the Nexus and save yourself £40 over the 16GB model (unless you download a ton of apps and games, you won't need the space).
If you store all your music on Google Music and stream when you need it, and upload all your videos and pictures to Dropbox or Google Drive and delete them from your phone, it leaves the whole 5.5gb of available space for apps.
Been using it all weekend and I'm incredibly impressed so far. I reckon this is what Google had in mind for the Nexus range.

You may as well have gone with o2, seen as though GiffGaff use o2's satellites but with half of the "signal power" as it were. Full power being reserved for o2 customers of course lol
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I have the 16gb on o2 and the hspa coverage is good. Three are also meant to be good.
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speedyjay said:
You may as well have gone with o2, seen as though GiffGaff use o2's satellites but with half of the "signal power" as it were. Full power being reserved for o2 customers of course lol
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Beg pardon? Do you have any idea that what you just wrote is total gibberish, technically speaking?

speedyjay said:
You may as well have gone with o2, seen as though GiffGaff use o2's satellites but with half of the "signal power" as it were. Full power being reserved for o2 customers of course lol
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That's not physically possible and even if it were it would violate so much EU competition law no one would do it.

im with Three. £15.90 gives me 600 mins, Unlimited (5000) texts, and Unlimited Internet, no fair use policy. Thats for 12 months and there is also a 1 month rolling option for the same price but a reduced number of mins to 300.

Yeah with Google music, dropbox/box/drive I seen to store very little on my device. Got a lot of games installed, couple of big ones and I've not hit my limit yet.
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Can't vouch for giff gaff's data reception. I live in West Yorkshire and the signal is very variable. I get a lot of "server overloaded" messages in Opera on the first try. I am not aware of a "Fair Use Policy" but I thought that the market was generally moving away from that kind of marketing anyway.
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man... mobile plans are so cheap in england! not fair!

I'm with tmobile full monty, unlimited everything, only paying £21 a month but had £120 cashback and £31.50 cashback from car phone warehouse so about £8.38 a month expires in July though.
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GiffGaff use o2's satellites but with half of the "signal power"
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Satellites...you sure its not voodoo magic.

My brother is with GiffGaff, and has no complaints. It's certainly one of the cheapest unlimited internet plans available I think.

The prices in here show what REAL capitalism is all about, our prices/plans in the US don't come close

Im with Giffgaff and must say I always get good signal.. I usually opt for the only 2g network settings unless Im actually going to browse the internet. As soon as I switch off the 2g only setting. My network indicator will show H straight away.

I have used giffgaff and found the signal in West Yorkshire to be very poor. Its a shame really as the O2 network used to be really good.
The comment about giffgaff getting half the signal of O2 is utter c%^p.
I got onto the T-Mobile full monty plan, Unlimited everything (calls, text and web) for £16 a month with £100 cash back :highfive: I have asked what happened at the end of the contract and it goes up to £31 a month, however call up T-Mobile and they will honour the tariff for another year

on giffgaff here, using the tenner a month package since I don't really need unlimited internet thanks to wifi on my bus, home, uni, train etc etc lol

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The prices in here show what REAL capitalism is all about, our prices/plans in the US don't come close
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But you live in a free country.
We have a queen and everything. She doesn't allow companies to fix prices. Very fascist for the companies.

speedyjay said:
You may as well have gone with o2, seen as though GiffGaff use o2's satellites but with half of the "signal power" as it were. Full power being reserved for o2 customers of course lol
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1: O2 Don't offer unlimited Data
2: O2's Cheapest Plan with a decent amount of data requires a 12 month contract (and it's still only 1GB a month).
3: Giffgaff uses O2's cell network. And they get the same connection as O2 customers (and all the other MVNOs who use O2's network).
4: Stop talking rubbish.

Fordaz said:
3: Giffgaff uses O2's cell network. And they get the same connection as O2 customers (and all the other MVNOs who use O2's network).
4: Stop talking rubbish.
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Why are you bashing the guy? Ok he is not using the correct terms but the base of what he is saying is correct. They use O2's network and most likely will get the same reception, but do not get the same 'priority' that O2 users will get when it comes to using that network
If my father wasn't at work, I would ask him for the details as he works for O2 (not on their store sales team either..)

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Why are you bashing the guy? Ok he is not using the correct terms but the base of what he is saying is correct. They use O2's network and most likely will get the same reception, but do not get the same 'priority' that O2 users will get when it comes to using that network
If my father wasn't at work, I would ask him for the details as he works for O2 (not on their store sales team either..)
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O2 have a habit of telling customers that Giffgaff's data network is slower than their own (O2's Retentions Department is particularly bad at this) in order to retain or gain customers, however, the fact is that they use exactly the same network infrastructure (as do Tesco Mobile).
O2 have no "control" over Giffgaff's data traffic (they use different APNs for a start), so there's no "priority" system involved. Giffgaff simply lease bandwidth from O2 in the same way that Sky or TalkTalk lease bandwidth from BT for home ADSL.
So no, the base of what he's saying is actually wrong.
Here's a quick test I did with my giffgaff sim and my contract O2 sim, same phone, same location (best result out of 5 tests each)
giffgaff:
Ping: 102ms Download: 6293kbps Upload 2104kbps
O2:
Ping: 92ms Download: 6190kbps Upload 2307kbps
The difference is minimal

any good deals on tmobile uk

im with t mobile and my contract on my htc one x is , i normally get goods deals by just phoning t mobile and asking for my pac code and get what i want.I tried it today and they just were not playing ball, wanted the htc one on 18 month contract but the deals they were offering were way over priced
any suggestions on good deals you have seen or signed up to
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This site has a lot of deals, updated daily
http://www.phoneslimited.co.uk/HTC/One+Silver.html

I was in the same boat. T mobile couldn't offer me a good deal so cancelled and took up a new contract with them via a 3rd party site. Ended up getting the One for free and on a better deal than I had before.

Yes it's looking like that for me as well
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Same for me they wouldn't play ball. Ending up getting it for free on the thanet mobile full monty tariff for 26 month from affordable mobiles with a media link. Not sure if they still do any similar offers but. Upgrading is not what it used to be
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hope some one can clarify this
found a deal with t mobile on mobile phones direct
my contract ran out on 6th oct, so i phoned them thinking i would be able to take out the new 24 month contract and keep the same number but was told i could not.I find this hard to see why not
is this correct?

You might have to get a PAC code, as silly as it sounds, or you have to upgrade so perhaps give Mobile Phones Direct a buzz and ask them

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You might have to get a PAC code, as silly as it sounds, or you have to upgrade so perhaps give Mobile Phones Direct a buzz and ask them
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i have my pac code and i rang them and explained im on tmobile now and my contract has run out

Hmmm...I'd personally wait and see what the Nexus 5 is like, perhaps buy it SIM-free and get a Three/Giff Gaff SIM-only deal. Probably work out cheaper
I'm probably going to get a Nexus 5 once released

needed to be tmobile/orange because of where i work signal and all that
any way rang them back and got it sorted
free phone, 1000 mins, unlimited text, unlimited net(noFUP) £32 per month with £2 a month off with cashback every 6 months
only thing was he said you cant tehter on the full monty internet plan, its not a biggie as i rarley do it but does this mean they have blocked it at there server or can it be by passed.Do not think it can be blocked in the rom because all MPD phones come unbranded and unlocked

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needed to be tmobile/orange because of where i work signal and all that
any way rang them back and got it sorted
free phone, 1000 mins, unlimited text, unlimited net(noFUP) £32 per month with £2 a month off with cashback every 6 months
only thing was he said you cant tehter on the full monty internet plan, its not a biggie as i rarley do it but does this mean they have blocked it at there server or can it be by passed.Do not think it can be blocked in the rom because all MPD phones come unbranded and unlocked
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any one able to answer this please

They block it network end, the ROM has nothing to do with it