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As much as I hate to spread about another speculative release date avega1027 said on page 11 of another thread:
"Well for the people that are waiting for the release it looks like it would be comming out 10-06-07, per http://mobilitytoday.com/news/att_re...es_change.html "
and FTA: "Our sources are telling us that some new Windows Mobile devices are on their way! Just got a new update this morning, the AT&T 8925 aka Tilt is has passed certification and it being released on October 5.
Also Blackjack WM6 will be ready on the 1st of Oct.
Motorola Q9 is now slated for launch 11/15 but we think this will be changing soon. Blackjack 2 is slated for an 11/12 release.."
Supposedly, mobility today's David Ciccone is usually a pretty credible source so maybe there's a light at the end of the tunnel at last! Since it was so far down on another thread I figured i'd give it some attention. Thanks avega1027!
Who knows if it's right, but I'm excited to hear something from someone with sources rather than hearsay from an AT&T employee.
I have already given up on all these dates. I will just wait and not get excited about any more rumor dates.
Yeah, I agree... I'm getting really frustrated not to have any iron-clad word on it. But, since this was the first decent lead I've seen in quite a while I figured it's noteworthy.
already a thread for this and wasting space....
We're pleased to announce that Milestone will receive a free upgrade to Android 2.2
(FroYo) in Europe with an initial roll-out
beginning at the end of this year. For
other software updates please check our software update site:
https://supportforums.motorola.com/community/manager/softwareupgrades
Source: http://www.facebook.com/motorolaeurope
LOL....end of 2010?...silly....
ginggerbread 2.3 phone is everywhere at that time..lol
I can be wrong but beginning of the end of the year means Q4 (quater 4, the last three months of the year), that would be the beginning of October, wouldn't it? . But it doesn't matter now. Motorola doesn't care about the European market and they think they can mock us. Let them think that way. They probably do not give damn about 100 people not buying their phones now, but if the number of customers steadily goes down they will be like "OMFG WHY THEY ARE NOT BUYING OUR GREAT PRODUCTS??!?!?!". I think Milestone was the only GOOD phone ever released by Motorola, but after that signed bootloader and this delayed 2.2 release I'm saying "No, thanks" and I'm going to get something from HTC or muster up some money and buy Nexus One now.
Please discuss in existing thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=730882&page=4
I find this very curious, since January, I have been very vocal on the Samsung USA Facebook page as well as Twitter about the missing Froyo update. Today I went to check the Facebook page to find that somehow I had lost the ability to post anything.. shortly thereafter, I realized that I no longer "liked" the Samsung USA page. I did not do that myself, Samsung must have had that done (reported me for spamming/abuse?). Perusing the wall posts, I notice a distinct lack of people complaining about the 2.2 update.
I was not abusive, I did not swear or use foul language in any of my posts on that wall. I cracked a few jokes, sure, but nothing that could have been considered over-the-top. In fact, I waited until AFTER the promised "by the end of the year" deadline (promised to me on Twitter by @GalaxySSupport) to even being posting any complaints.
Is this Samsung's damage-control strategy moving forward? To try to stifle public outcry by booting us off of your pages and deleting our posts?
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I find this very curious, since January, I have been very vocal on the Samsung USA Facebook page as well as Twitter about the missing Froyo update. Today I went to check the Facebook page to find that somehow I had lost the ability to post anything.. shortly thereafter, I realized that I no longer "liked" the Samsung USA page. I did not do that myself, Samsung must have had that done (reported me for spamming/abuse?). Perusing the wall posts, I notice a distinct lack of people complaining about the 2.2 update.
I was not abusive, I did not swear or use foul language in any of my posts on that wall. I cracked a few jokes, sure, but nothing that could have been considered over-the-top. In fact, I waited until AFTER the promised "by the end of the year" deadline (promised to me on Twitter by @GalaxySSupport) to even being posting any complaints.
Is this Samsung's damage-control strategy moving forward? To try to stifle public outcry by booting us off of your pages and deleting our posts?
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You know this is very interesting as when trying to give the Vibrant a bad review (for the software not the hardware) on their website it will tell you that they are looking for different type of reviews and won't post the bad one.
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You know this is very interesting as when trying to give the Vibrant a bad review (for the software not the hardware) on their website it will tell you that they are looking for different type of reviews and won't post the bad one.
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thats insane. i'm really starting to dislike the samsung brand. buying a new tv soon too to replace my 5 year old samsung
Unless samsung comes out with something AMAZING (honeycomb for my Epic) to make up for all their lack with the galaxy S line, I will never buy another samsung product again.
SO MANY of my tech friends said "samsung does not support their phones, YOU WILL BE UPSET"
As I sit here the audio out ports on both my car and desk docks DO NOT WORK because they haven't released a year old 2.2 froyo.
Looks like my tech friends were right. The only reason my gps works is because of the hard working dev's here......and I have paid them for their work! I feel horrible for all the stock users in the world who have a **** gps thanks to samsung.
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Unless samsung comes out with something AMAZING (honeycomb for my Epic) to make up for all their lack with the galaxy S line, I will never buy another samsung product again.
SO MANY of my tech friends said "samsung does not support their phones, YOU WILL BE UPSET"
As I sit here the audio out ports on both my car and desk docks DO NOT WORK because they haven't released a year old 2.2 froyo.
Looks like my tech friends were right. The only reason my gps works is because of the hard working dev's here......and I have paid them for their work! I feel horrible for all the stock users in the world who have a **** gps thanks to samsung.
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I feel as if i should point out that my gps works just fine.
Sent from my non-rooted, stock eclair Epic.
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You know this is very interesting as when trying to give the Vibrant a bad review (for the software not the hardware) on their website it will tell you that they are looking for different type of reviews and won't post the bad one.
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wow. that left me stunned for a second.
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You know this is very interesting as when trying to give the Vibrant a bad review (for the software not the hardware) on their website it will tell you that they are looking for different type of reviews and won't post the bad one.
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Same happened to me with the Captivate on AT&T's website. Except mine was all hardware complaints.
My hardware is perfect
But sadly software is not! Unless they move away from carrier based updates this will be my last Samsung or Android based phone.
Remember Samsung when my phone crashes due to poor or out of date software or can't download something for the same reason I don't see the 3 mobile logo all I see is the Samsung logo.
This is all happening too close to the release of the Galaxy S 2 launch!
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You know this is very interesting as when trying to give the Vibrant a bad review (for the software not the hardware) on their website it will tell you that they are looking for different type of reviews and won't post the bad one.
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Man, same thing happened to me w/ my Epic review. I was pretty honest that i loved the hardware but the software needed updating. Got a message saying my review did not match what they were looking for and was rejected. Pretty easy to have devices w/ 4 and 5 star aggregate scores on your website if you're controlling which reviews you accept samsung.
You guys should take some screenshots of this and send it around to sites like engadget. The more bad press we can get for samsung, the faster we see updates. Worked for the t-mobile guys after they very publicly accused samsung of holding back the update to sell their newer phone.
Hi Guys,
I am also a samsung owner, not the galaxy S series but a phone called the Samsung Spica i5700; not supported by Samsung anymore after they claimed the hardware was not capable to run Android 2.2 froyo, ehh! the devs over at samdroid have ported AOSP and CM builds of 2.2 froyo onto it and are as of now porting AOSP and CM of GB.
the point I have is samsung is pathetic in customer support, all they want is to sell the customers to buy there new devices, and when the samsung #nevergain hashtag was started by an xda member and the hashtag went BOOM into samsung's face they are here to regain some respect, for that they need to prove a point to us, we have already proven them wrong.
I think the way to froyo, is to keep the heat up till they break down and beg to give source away.
everyone should retweet this:
http://twitter.com/#!/vorathe/status/37634312098693120
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Same happened to me with the Captivate on AT&T's website. Except mine was all hardware complaints.
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same here, never hit the web in their eyes
What can I say that has not been said more eloquently by others.
GPS + Froyo for Captivate Update please. As that would make the phone much more desirable and usable, The immediate next thing I am going to do is Ebay that Piece Of S***. Seriously Never going to touch a samsung phone even with a barge pole.
Thank you Samsung for making the Galaxy S brand a pinnacle for quality, support and customer satisfaction.
P.S. I know this has been posted before and does not add ANYTHING, but had to vent.
What the hell is samsungjohn discussing with the xda people? I mean it's been fully 5 days now and absolutely nothing of substance has emerged. What is taking so long? I mean seriously, can someone give an update or something?
Im not really sure theres much to discuss... but yeah, IF the 'hello' part 2 posts WERE the big announcement, it would be nice if the XDA powers that be just posted 'Sorry, thats really all he had to say, he wants to meet devs at a music festival, thats it... he is gone now, go about your business'. I just really hope he doesnt think an 'open dialogue' is a HUGE announcement, and actually has something WE care about. He may just think that was huge because, well its his thing... his job... to us its like, yeah, another source for cut n paste responses... great... oh and one not on FB or Twitter! How convenient!
Whoa! Did this just get moved to 'off topic'???
Wow... its like Samsung Mobile with negative comments!
whatever... Guess its not technically about a phone.
muyoso said:
You guys should take some screenshots of this and send it around to sites like engadget. The more bad press we can get for samsung, the faster we see updates. Worked for the t-mobile guys after they very publicly accused samsung of holding back the update to sell their newer phone.
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this one ! GOGOGO
Oh, that's terrible.
Why Not OREO Still?
I think samsung wont release Oreo for note8, until S9 is out there it mean If u want Oreo than go buy s9/s9+
but what do u think?
because the milk man hasn't done his round yet.
My phone still makes calls etc.. so I am cool. I bought the device for its hardware not the OS
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My phone still makes calls etc.. so I am cool. I bought the device for its hardware not the OS
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I generally agree with this sentiment because Samsung offers so many features out of the box that don't depend on OS upgrades. There is an exception for Android 8/Oreo.... Those Bluetooth codecs: APTX HD and LDAC for premium Bluetooth audio.
I couldn't care less about Android 8 if it weren't for the codecs that unlock the rest of my Note 8's potential. I go wired headphones on my Note 8 or just use HiFi BT headphones with my Mi Mix running Android 8, which has the codecs.
This is the frustrating element of owning Samsung phones their updates are really slow as compared to other manufacturers like my previous Sony Xperia XZ Premium got the oreo two months ago!
why so many threads about not having oreo yet
Last year, they delivered nougat to S7 and S7 Edge in May.
So we still 2 mouths ahead the schedule (Samsung schedule).
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Last year, they delivered nougat to S7 and S7 Edge in May.
So we still 2 mouths ahead the schedule (Samsung schedule).
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Indonesian G935FD got nougat in February before s8/+ launching :victory:
Oreo update for s8/+ should come before s9/+ landing
My guess, and it is a guess, is that we aren't far away. There are more and more carrier's getting the February security patches, but they are normally the last to get updates, and those that normally get the updates earlier are still waiting and stuck on the January release. My suspicion is that rather than release the February security updates on Nougat, we are waiting for an impending Oreo release.
I'm sure if you're hunting the latest OS number, Samsung is definitely not your Manufacturer of choice and shouldn't be. Go for a OnePlus who has the newest numbers.
You can cry about it how much you want, it won't change a thing though. They'll release it in due time, when it's ready. You're phone is still able to make calls, handle IMs, browse the web and much more because Samsung usually loves to clutter their high-end phones with functions in comparison to others.
This is seriously getting out of hand, xda needs to monitor these threads and delete them. No point in crying about numbers.
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I'm sure if you're hunting the latest OS number, Samsung is definitely not your Manufacturer of choice and shouldn't be. Go for a OnePlus who has the newest numbers.
You can cry about it how much you want, it won't change a thing though. They'll release it in due time, when it's ready. You're phone is still able to make calls, handle IMs, browse the web and much more because Samsung usually loves to clutter their high-end phones with functions in comparison to others.
This is seriously getting out of hand, xda needs to monitor these threads and delete them. No point in crying about numbers.
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OH THANKS God, My phone Note 8 is still able to make calls, so what you expect? if making call Was enough for me, Then I should've bought Samsung J1 or Nokia 1100 Not note8, But I paid for note8 because I want to use latest android. and I thin samsung wont release it in next 3 month.
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Look at the view count for any thread that mentions 'Oreo', it tells you people here are desperate for it.
We will get Oreo this month according to some quite trustworthy leakers (Exynos). And US models might get it later this year. I guess Samsung had to fix some problems in February and they just decided to skip Oreo release until March. So that we will get Oreo with March security patch.
Don't worry man. It's around the corner. One day You will wake up and see Oreo OTA .
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OH THANKS God, My phone Note 8 is still able to make calls, so what you expect? if making call Was enough for me, Then I should've bought Samsung J1 or Nokia 1100 Not note8, But I paid for note8 because I want to use latest android. and I thin samsung wont release it in next 3 month.
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You do know most people bought the Note8 because it's actually a really convenient phone right and not just some show-off piece of glass & metal?
(With it's signature S-Pen, "big" display and primarily office /usability focus).
You're definitely in the wrong if you think buying the latest and greatest from a big company equals getting fast updates.
Surely Samsung could bust updates every 2 days to ensure People like you don't get on their nerves, but it's just that irrelevant to them and the vast majority.
Seriously, as long as you get your security patches, you're good to go IF you're one of those super concerned people.
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You do know most people bought the Note8 because it's actually a really convenient phone right and not just some show-off piece of glass & metal?
(With it's signature S-Pen, "big" display and primarily office /usability focus).
You're definitely in the wrong if you think buying the latest and greatest from a big company equals getting fast updates.
Surely Samsung could bust updates every 2 days to ensure People like you don't get on their nerves, but it's just that irrelevant to them and the vast majority.
Seriously, as long as you get your security patches, you're good to go IF you're one of those super concerned people.
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There’s no reason for the rollout to be as delayed as it is, But Samsung raped hard note 8 user, People running carrier-locked versions of the devices have to wait even longer for the update, and by that time, Google will already have revealed this year’s version of Android; Android P.
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There’s no reason for the rollout to be as delayed as it is, But Samsung raped hard note 8 user, People running carrier-locked versions of the devices have to wait even longer for the update, and by that time, Google will already have revealed this year’s version of Android; Android P.
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No reason you say to be delayed?
Well, fine by me. Please do go ahead and have some unfinished version of SE 9.0 installed on your Note8 with loads of (to be expected) FCs. At least you'll have the latest and greatest Android 8.x right? Lmfao, pathetic.
Let them refine the 8.x release for the Note8. Samsung hasn't "raped" anyone in terms of SW updates and refrain from using words like that, you can surely articulate yourself a bit more appropriate. We'll eventually get the update.
Lastly, I really don't understand you or anyone else who's crying over not having the latest OS version. I don't get it, but yeah please continue to cry and entertain us.
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No reason you say to be delayed?
Well, fine by me. Please do go ahead and have some unfinished version of SE 9.0 installed on your Note8 with loads of (to be expected) FCs. At least you'll have the latest and greatest Android 8.x right? Lmfao, pathetic.
Let them refine the 8.x release for the Note8. Samsung hasn't "raped" anyone in terms of SW updates and refrain from using words like that, you can surely articulate yourself a bit more appropriate. We'll eventually get the update.
Lastly, I really don't understand you or anyone else who's crying over not having the latest OS version. I don't get it, but yeah please continue to cry and entertain us.
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Loads of FCs? But.. Note8 SD internal releases of Oreo are kinda bugless, S8 has identical HW and no bugs, S7E got internal release which is like 99% stable (and that 1% can be easily fixed).
And You should know the difference between complaining about lack of updates and crying.
Complaining: "Note8 is the latest phone from Samsung so why don't we get latest updates? S7E has stable SEx 9.0. We should get it too!"
Crying: ":crying::crying::crying::crying:y no oreooo halp i hate my phone!!:crying::crying:"
If You can't tell the difference between these two then I don't know. Maybe leave XDA? XDA is supposed to be helpful and positive. We don't need any negativity here.
Last Oreo thread was closed because of negativity and disrespectful behaviour.
Also, notice that when S8 users complained about Oreo update being delayed. And said that they won't buy Samsung phones anymore. Samsung quickly made a new update.
And Note8 users don't complain about it, and if they do, they get harassed by people like You. So no one talks about Oreo and we have to wait because Samsung thinks that we don't need Oreo.
I as a Dev would love to get Oreo already because my Dev friends are making S9 ports for S7E and S8 and I can't make one cause Samsung doesn't give us Oreo.
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Loads of FCs? But.. Note8 SD internal releases of Oreo are kinda bugless, S8 has identical HW and no bugs, S7E got internal release which is like 99% stable (and that 1% can be easily fixed).
And You should know the difference between complaining about lack of updates and crying.
Complaining: "Note8 is the latest phone from Samsung so why don't we get latest updates? S7E has stable SEx 9.0. We should get it too!"
Crying: ":crying::crying::crying::crying:y no oreooo halp i hate my phone!!:crying::crying:"
If You can't tell the difference between these two then I don't know. Maybe leave XDA? XDA is supposed to be helpful and positive. We don't need any negativity here.
Last Oreo thread was closed because of negativity and disrespectful behaviour.
Also, notice that when S8 users complained about Oreo update being delayed. And said that they won't buy Samsung phones anymore. Samsung quickly made a new update.
And Note8 users don't complain about it, and if they do, they get harassed by people like You. So no one talks about Oreo and we have to wait because Samsung thinks that we don't need Oreo.
I as a Dev would love to get Oreo already because my Dev friends are making S9 ports for S7E and S8 and I can't make one cause Samsung doesn't give us Oreo.
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There's the thing my dude: It's not harassment nor negativity. Some xda sub-forums are slowly becoming more like reddit and that's annoying as hell. In all seriousness, you got your opinion and I got mine concerning users crying about newest OS version. (Just look at the OPs answers. Don't even need elaboration).
At some point it gets unbearable, I dare you to say "No it doesn't". Be real.
Trust me, I've been enjoying xda and it's "healthy" community because it's one amazing platform for people to connect and make Phone's software greater with team effort.
Now it's just people buying a phone, finding xda and expecting things to work from people who are doing stuff here for free & fun and in their free time. (e.g. The Xiaomi forums are cancerous or the Xposed nougat thread, when it was in the works)
I may not be a "known" Dev like you on xda, I do my own thing making smaller apps for friends and small local companies.
I got the patience and endurance to answer repetitive or similar questions over and over again, trust me.
If you feel this is negativity, I respect that, alright. I'm just being real.
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There's the thing my dude: It's not harassment nor negativity. Some xda sub-forums are slowly becoming more like reddit and that's annoying as hell. In all seriousness, you got your opinion and I got mine concerning users crying about newest OS version. (Just look at the OPs answers. Don't even need elaboration).
At some point it gets unbearable, I dare you to say "No it doesn't". Be real.
Trust me, I've been enjoying xda and it's "healthy" community because it's one amazing platform for people to connect and make Phone's software greater with team effort.
Now it's just people buying a phone, finding xda and expecting things to work from people who are doing stuff here for free & fun and in their free time. (e.g. The Xiaomi forums are cancerous or the Xposed nougat thread, when it was in the works)
I may not be a "known" Dev like you on xda, I do my own thing making smaller apps for friends and small local companies.
I got the patience and endurance to answer repetitive or similar questions over and over again, trust me.
If you feel this is negativity, I respect that, alright. I'm just being real.
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Wow. I didn't expect such professional answer lol. This response restored my faith in XDA a little. And I know that Xiaomi forums are slightly messy. I love threads where someone asks for a name of some theme and everyone responds with "thank you" , "beautiful theme link pls" .
Oh, and I'm not a known Dev on XDA . I'm just trying to make people happy with some "unique" roms. And it would be awesome if You'd share some of Your Dev work with us . Maybe some us would find it useful? .
And I know that we had a lot of Oreo threads already and they have identical questions and answers. Because we are just people not Samsung's employees so we can't tell someone when they will get Oreo. But I guess we can deal with these guys in a slightly more polite way and just tell them that we all are waiting for Oreo instead of saying that they are crying. People here live in various countries and have different cultures than we do. And some of them might find word "crying" offensive and disrespectful.
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Wow. I didn't expect such professional answer lol. This response restored my faith in XDA a little. And I know that Xiaomi forums are slightly messy. I love threads where someone asks for a name of some theme and everyone responds with "thank you" , "beautiful theme link pls" .
Oh, and I'm not a known Dev on XDA . I'm just trying to make people happy with some "unique" roms. And it would be awesome if You'd share some of Your Dev work with us . Maybe some us would find it useful? .
And I know that we had a lot of Oreo threads already and they have identical questions and answers. Because we are just people not Samsung's employees so we can't tell someone when they will get Oreo. But I guess we can deal with these guys in a slightly more polite way and just tell them that we all are waiting for Oreo instead of saying that they are crying.
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All good, glad we aligned back on one wavelength.
About the dev work:
Mostly is just freelancing, IT students gotta do what we can do, to make that paper. That's why I haven't contributed to xda so far in regards to releases.
Agreed on the bit with just telling them off instead of crying. But yeah, I do assume you can relate if something is getting penetratingly much lol.
Anyone seen some hope about Q upgrade for Nokia 8?
There is a chance, until they say otherwise. Right now, let's just wait for full Android Q release to see, if it's even worth waiting. Then we'll ask questions about an update. Honestly though, I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to move on. HMD never really cared about flagships.
No chance, HMD said 2 major letter upgrades and it has had them with O and P.
Only way the Nokia 8 will ever see Q is if HMD do it as way of an apology for how they have messed Pie up.
Too early to tell.
Like it was said above, they promised 2 OS version updates, and we've got them. So they don't really owe us anything. But until they categorically say the Nokia 8 misses out... There's always a chance...
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No chance, HMD said 2 major letter upgrades and it has had them with O and P.
Only way the Nokia 8 will ever see Q is if HMD do it as way of an apology for how they have messed Pie up.
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TBH you're right.
They never really care about this so called flagship.
The first Pie updates were bugged because HMD has to update 30+ phones, and they don't have time to do it properly - because that would delay things beyond the point where people start screaming blood and murder why the update for their device isn't the next one in the queue, and why device xy gets the update before them.
So basically, either we would get
Another half assed update that was rushed out over the weekend to satisfy customers
An update half a year later while this and every other nokia 8 forum gets filled with "where is our Q update" again
Both of the above
And tbh. I would rather take HMD finally EOL'ing it's 2017 devices over every of the options I listed above, so people can just get on with their lives and not expect anything from HMD. If they push out a Q update to our phones that actually works I would be positively suprised, but please don't expect it - especially not if you are talking about HMD, a marketing startup, that outsources phone development to Foxconn, who don't want to work with you anymore because you have them make and support too many phones.
Excuse my salt in this, but don't make yourself hope, you will be disappointed.
Don't expect more, they have forget their flagship
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The first Pie updates were bugged because HMD has to update 30+ phones, and they don't have time to do it properly - because that would delay things beyond the point where people start screaming blood and murder why the update for their device isn't the next one in the queue, and why device xy gets the update before them.
So basically, either we would get
Another half assed update that was rushed out over the weekend to satisfy customers
An update half a year later while this and every other nokia 8 forum gets filled with "where is our Q update" again
Both of the above
And tbh. I would rather take HMD finally EOL'ing it's 2017 devices over every of the options I listed above, so people can just get on with their lives and not expect anything from HMD. If they push out a Q update to our phones that actually works I would be positively suprised, but please don't expect it - especially not if you are talking about HMD, a marketing startup, that outsources phone development to Foxconn, who don't want to work with you anymore because you have them make and support too many phones.
Excuse my salt in this, but don't make yourself hope, you will be disappointed.
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Yes, they had 30+ phones to update, just like everyone else. But everyone else have a priority in flagships, except for HMD. They updated mid-range devices before their flagship and they needed 5 months to fix some major bugs. You can clearly see what their priority is.
And no, they don't need to release a half baked update, they simply need to communicate. A simple statement saying "we found a major bug, that's why we're not updating your phone until it's fixed" would do just fine. Release it 2 months later, but with no big issues and we're fine, no one will complain.
People are constantly asking "where is my update" because they are not saying a word about it. We don't need promises, or even dates, we simply need info and we're not getting any.
Forget it. I'd rather get a custom rom for Pie than wait forever for a half-assed Q update from HMD. I just wish they release the updated Android Pie firmware and kernel sources with their final update this coming November, that way if there ever comes a dev interested enough in this phone they actually have something reasonable to work with.