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Game/Application sites

Here is a link to handango site, they have some stuff available for g1. Remember you have to allow access to download these to your g1. To allow go to menu/settings/applications and check box to allow apps not in the market to be downloaded.
http://www.handango.com/SoftwareCat...73&siteId=1&choice=SaveInCookies&N=4294901656

Try these
http://slideme.org/mobile_apps_latest
http://www.mobihand.com/platformMain.asp?platform=13
I Posted mobihand.com on androidcommunity.com but i just found this slideme.org one. on mobihand.com you have to pay for some but theres free ones too like NetScramble v1.2. I'll put that in attachments
i had to put it in zip cuz they don't allow .apk files to be uploaded

you can also take a look of Android Freeware

Great link, baksanir! Thanks!

Again, beware of sites that:
* contain software older than 23 October
Software not updated for Android 1.0 could harm your phone
* do not say who submitted the software or link back to them
I'd want software submitted by the developer, with a link to check version information.
* do not test the software they peddle, especially if money is involved
If a site can't guarantee that software will run on my phone and not harm it, I don't want it.
No 3rd party site has a kill switch
Like people have been saying since before this platform was released, with the open nature of the development structure, the door is wide open. Make sure you're standing in it with a gun.
Just re-injecting some caveat-emptor common sense.

Check and bookmark the FIRST directory of Android Freeware!

beartard, what a nice bunch of tips! Here are my comments:
beartard said:
Again, beware of sites that:
* contain software older than 23 October
Software not updated for Android 1.0 could harm your phone
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Right! Those, which were compiled with old SDKs are not compatible in most of the cases with the one and only device We are going to recompile where possible our whole collection and believe me it's a pain in the butt
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* do not say who submitted the software or link back to them
I'd want software submitted by the developer, with a link to check version information.
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Not entirely agree with that. Developers are mega lazy to submit their software other than their homepages. I would recommend to check the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service at first. A reputable site should always have it.
beartard said:
* do not test the software they peddle, especially if money is involved
If a site can't guarantee that software will run on my phone and not harm it, I don't want it.
No 3rd party site has a kill switch
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Normally you pay money if the app saves you much more money by making you much more productive. To be honest, as for now there are not much apps of that kind for Android. So better tryout some free stuff.
beartard said:
Like people have been saying since before this platform was released, with the open nature of the development structure, the door is wide open. Make sure you're standing in it with a gun.
Just re-injecting some caveat-emptor common sense.
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Yeah, take better a bazooka All curious users will need to try and fail before they find their "golden set of apps" and then stick to them. It's nice to have forums like that where they can exchange experiences and recommend stuff to each other.

sfdteam said:
Check and bookmark the FIRST directory of Android Freeware!
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Be careful with this site, it contains some older apps. One of them messed up my phone and I had to do a factory reset. Every time I was at the home screen one of the Android processes kept crashing. Pretty easy to fix but reinstalling all of my apps was a bit of a pain.

nick_karstedt said:
Be careful with this site, it contains some older apps. One of them messed up my phone and I had to do a factory reset. Every time I was at the home screen one of the Android processes kept crashing. Pretty easy to fix but reinstalling all of my apps was a bit of a pain.
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Hey Nick, what was this application exactly, which crashed so badly your phone?

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beartard, what a nice bunch of tips! Here are my comments:
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Thanks for the comments. Please don't think I was trashing your site (or any other one in particular). I'm just a "consumer advocate" when it comes to things like this.

I think it was one of the file managers, but I'm not sure. I installed quite a few apps and it started acting up a bit later.

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I think it was one of the file managers, but I'm not sure. I installed quite a few apps and it started acting up a bit later.
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Nick, are you sure about that? There are 4 file managers on the site:
Manage 1.2
Android File Browser 2.0
Android File Browser 1.0.0
File System Explorer
None of them should you be able to install on your G1, because:
All four apps were compiled with old compilers, contained in old SDK releases of Android OS. Old .apk packages are mostly not compatible with T-Mobile G1's Dalvik, which uses new APIs supplies with the latest SDK version 1.0.
All four apps were NOT DIGITALLY SIGNED. G1's security policy doesn't permit unsigned apps to be installed on the device.
So your accusations that apps from our site screwed your phone look very suspicious to me. Especially that in the same thread you hail the link of Mr. Veselin Nedev (aka Veselin Nedeff, baksanir), whose site blatantly copy-pastes content from our site and hotlinks to our .APK files. So, whether you go from their site or ours you come to the same files, which are served by our server. How it can be then that only apps from our site damage your phone?
Anyway, I'll double check those 4 apps to find the true.
Update: after our notification baksanir removed the hotlinks to our site and changed descriptions of the apps.

How to brew up an android rom for htc hd7

Hello all! I jump from phone to phone when ever I can catch a broken one to fix for nearly free. I recently ran into an HTC HD 7 and am not really vibing to the windows mobile 7, and from what I read there is not currently a pre made rom available for installing android on this device. I am pretty technologically advanced and feel confident given the right direction on how to accomplish this I would be capable of creating one. I have read a lot of information but am some what lost mainly because of some of the lingo terminology, being that I haven't hacked/developed outside of the ios platform. I can program in just about any c based language. Any one got ne thing that can help me out here? If I build one how would I install it or go about uploading it to the device? Thanks in advance for any replies I do greatly appreciate all your time! I apologize about the noobness like I said ios is whats been available to me for the past few years, and now I want android like a kid wants candy!!!

rbrownvalid said:
Hello all! I jump from phone to phone when ever I can catch a broken one to fix for nearly free. I recently ran into an HTC HD 7 and am not really vibing to the windows mobile 7, and from what I read there is not currently a pre made rom available for installing android on this device. I am pretty technologically advanced and feel confident given the right direction on how to accomplish this I would be capable of creating one. I have read a lot of information but am some what lost mainly because of some of the lingo terminology, being that I haven't hacked/developed outside of the ios platform. I can program in just about any c based language. Any one got ne thing that can help me out here? If I build one how would I install it or go about uploading it to the device? Thanks in advance for any replies I do greatly appreciate all your time! I apologize about the noobness like I said ios is whats been available to me for the past few years, and now I want android like a kid wants candy!!!
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Developers/programmers have been trying to figure out how to dual boot the HD7 (like the HD2) since it came out. The main problem seems to be how WP7 is compiled .NET and C#. WP7 securitys still aren't fully unlocked.
Take a look at the Project Haret thread, they seem to be making some progress at it and if you have the know how, maybe you can contribute.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1483377

xdrc45 said:
Developers/programmers have been trying to figure out how to dual boot the HD7 (like the HD2) since it came out. The main problem seems to be how WP7 is compiled .NET and C#. WP7 securitys still aren't fully unlocked.
Take a look at the Project Haret thread, they seem to be making some progress at it and if you have the know how, maybe you can contribute.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1483377
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Thanks for the heads up, appreciate the reply, btw where is the thanks button? sorry this is my second post here. I started to do some research into it. I believe the answer is in the coredll.dll file which may be stating the obvious. I think the way to go about accessing this or at least what I am going to try is an attempt to gain root access with my device tethered to my comp from terminal.

rbrownvalid said:
Thanks for the heads up, appreciate the reply, btw where is the thanks button? sorry this is my second post here. I started to do some research into it. I believe the answer is in the coredll.dll file which may be stating the obvious. I think the way to go about accessing this or at least what I am going to try is an attempt to gain root access with my device tethered to my comp from terminal.
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Your welcome! I've read through the whole Project Haret thread and there is alot of information, (some way to complicated for me) trial and error and it looks like as of recent there has been some good progress towards getting Haret to perform and (hopefully) run kernel mode and actually boot the kernel. You might be right, give it a shot or maybe put it on the thread and see what kind of feed back you get on it!
Is your device unlocked yet so that you can gain access to it and try it out?
Personally I would love to see the HD7 dual boot WP7 and Android. Don't get me wrong... I thoroughly enjoy WP7 and love my HD7it's very smooth, fast, stable and not once has it crashed on me. I believe that it would bring a longer life experience to the device and make it that much more versatile, especially since we're nearing the end of official support.
The thanks button should be there now, under the posts.

xdrc45 said:
Your welcome! I've read through the whole Project Haret thread and there is alot of information, (some way to complicated for me) trial and error and it looks like as of recent there has been some good progress towards getting Haret to perform and (hopefully) run kernel mode and actually boot the kernel. You might be right, give it a shot or maybe put it on the thread and see what kind of feed back you get on it!
Is your device unlocked yet so that you can gain access to it and try it out?
Personally I would love to see the HD7 dual boot WP7 and Android. Don't get me wrong... I thoroughly enjoy WP7 and love my HD7it's very smooth, fast, stable and not once has it crashed on me. I believe that it would bring a longer life experience to the device and make it that much more versatile, especially since we're nearing the end of official support.
The thanks button should be there now, under the posts.
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Ok so I realize I might sound like an idiot considering everything I said can be found within the haret documentation. I originally read something found on google with inaccurate information after you told me about the project, come to find out the information I read was in no way affiliated with the the actual project haha. Forgive my stupidy, I began to read and follow along the documaton for it at htc-linux.org, the only thing I am having issue with is obtaining haretconsole to explore the device. The link on the documentation I believe no longer exists, and I can't find a source anywhere! This is pretty good stuff though thanks for linking me up with it! Have you installed the development tools or haretconsole on a linux OS by chance? I was successful with the developement tools, just need to figure out this haretconsole problem. BTW which desktop OS do you prefer?
Sadly I can't tell if my device is unlocked yet haha. I work at a university doing LAN Administration currently and used my .edu e-mail to register as a developer. I then registered my device but don't see a single difference or maybe I just am doing something wrong. How do you suggest going about that(unlocking it that is, I don't care about it being official, just figured official would be easlier)? Also for the iPhone there is a desktop application which allows you to access the filesystem called iFunBox, is there anything similar for the wp7?
I would just love android lol, I like the HTC HD7 and have always been a fan of HTC products, It definately is pretty smooth and compared to my previous device a 3gs it's lightening fast! 3g isn't supported with the 3gs on t-mobile either. My biggest issue with wp7 is the fact it doesn't do anything I want to be done in a device, I use my mobile browser ALOT and I have never seen a browser period with this many bugs, I installed safari but it's not even the same lol! For the most part I strongly strongly dislike anything related to microsoft, but unfortunately I have to work with the windows platform quite often because of my job. There just such a dirty/shady/grimmy company period, I saw a commercial yesterday advertising bing where they claimed 2 out of three people choose bing over google in a blind study............how can they advertise that when they stole googles code! lol. Also it was a pretty dirty business move of microsoft to do what your talking about with the wp8. They claim there going to continue support on 7 but we both know they all say that and do put the effort towards the legacy system for a short period of time before cutting it. Screwing Nokia out of major growth potential within the U.S. while going back on the promise made to them regarding free upgrades to 8 for 7 devices. I think they feel like there invincible just because they currently run the desktop OS market share. I think their will likely be a major change in the preferred OS within the next 10 years, just because I work in an 30,000 user enterprise that refuses to upgrade their liscensing with microsoft because of windows 8's inability to meet our needs.
Sorry if this message way to long haha

rbrownvalid said:
Ok so I realize I might sound like an idiot considering everything I said can be found within the haret documentation. I originally read something found on google with inaccurate information after you told me about the project, come to find out the information I read was in no way affiliated with the the actual project haha. Forgive my stupidy, I began to read and follow along the documaton for it at htc-linux.org, the only thing I am having issue with is obtaining haretconsole to explore the device. The link on the documentation I believe no longer exists, and I can't find a source anywhere! This is pretty good stuff though thanks for linking me up with it! Have you installed the development tools or haretconsole on a linux OS by chance? I was successful with the developement tools, just need to figure out this haretconsole problem. BTW which desktop OS do you prefer?
Sadly I can't tell if my device is unlocked yet haha. I work at a university doing LAN Administration currently and used my .edu e-mail to register as a developer. I then registered my device but don't see a single difference or maybe I just am doing something wrong. How do you suggest going about that(unlocking it that is, I don't care about it being official, just figured official would be easlier)? Also for the iPhone there is a desktop application which allows you to access the filesystem called iFunBox, is there anything similar for the wp7?
I would just love android lol, I like the HTC HD7 and have always been a fan of HTC products, It definately is pretty smooth and compared to my previous device a 3gs it's lightening fast! 3g isn't supported with the 3gs on t-mobile either. My biggest issue with wp7 is the fact it doesn't do anything I want to be done in a device, I use my mobile browser ALOT and I have never seen a browser period with this many bugs, I installed safari but it's not even the same lol! For the most part I strongly strongly dislike anything related to microsoft, but unfortunately I have to work with the windows platform quite often because of my job. There just such a dirty/shady/grimmy company period, I saw a commercial yesterday advertising bing where they claimed 2 out of three people choose bing over google in a blind study............how can they advertise that when they stole googles code! lol. Also it was a pretty dirty business move of microsoft to do what your talking about with the wp8. They claim there going to continue support on 7 but we both know they all say that and do put the effort towards the legacy system for a short period of time before cutting it. Screwing Nokia out of major growth potential within the U.S. while going back on the promise made to them regarding free upgrades to 8 for 7 devices. I think they feel like there invincible just because they currently run the desktop OS market share. I think their will likely be a major change in the preferred OS within the next 10 years, just because I work in an 30,000 user enterprise that refuses to upgrade their liscensing with microsoft because of windows 8's inability to meet our needs.
Sorry if this message way to long haha
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Sorry its taken me so long to get back with you... Been crazy busy!
Unfortunetly I only have Windows OS, PC and Laptop. Funny enough though, I just got my laptop back from the shop a couple weeks ago and I had to have the harddrive replaced. Last week my PC got the BSOD (blue screen of death) and I had to completly wipe and restore it.
My next computer will be a Linux OS forsure. I wish I had one currently to install Haret and play around with it!
The student registration is limited and you can only sideload a max of 3 unasigned apps. You would be better off to fully unlock your device and install a custom rom, this will give you more options to sideload as many unasighned apps as you want in the form of XAP's through IE. Access to the registry/file system and to apply hack and tweaks. you can then familurize yourself with the OS and file system.
I can help walk you through the unlock process, it's pretty easy.
Go to settings, about, more info. post back all the information from that screen. Enter your device into bootloader mode - Power device off, hold down the volume down button and power the device back on, while continuing to hold down the volume down button, this will bring you into BL mode a tri-colored screen. Post back the information from that screen also.We can go from there. The proccess to unlock it basicially is to downgrade the SPL to 3.xxx or lower to install RSPL/HSPL wich will allow flashing of a custom rom.
My IE works excellent. It might be due to what build version that your device is running on. Either way once we get it unlocked there's custom roms running on Tango 8779 build with nice features and the device runs buttery smooth. there's also more mobile browsers available to install once it's unlocked, Opera Mobile,UC browser and a bunch more. There's all kinds of XAP's you can install to cusromize the device and enhance the user experience.
Totaly agree with you on the Android development for WP7 and the above statement regarding MS
Check out this link for Haret -
http://www.pedersen-web.com/linuxhandheld/index.php?h=2&p=11

Good Luck
I can't wait to install android to my HD7

rbrownvalid said:
Hello all! I jump from phone to phone when ever I can catch a broken one to fix for nearly free. I recently ran into an HTC HD 7 and am not really vibing to the windows mobile 7, and from what I read there is not currently a pre made rom available for installing android on this device. I am pretty technologically advanced and feel confident given the right direction on how to accomplish this I would be capable of creating one. I have read a lot of information but am some what lost mainly because of some of the lingo terminology, being that I haven't hacked/developed outside of the ios platform. I can program in just about any c based language. Any one got ne thing that can help me out here? If I build one how would I install it or go about uploading it to the device? Thanks in advance for any replies I do greatly appreciate all your time! I apologize about the noobness like I said ios is whats been available to me for the past few years, and now I want android like a kid wants candy!!!
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i've htc hd7
i want to install android OS on it please help me

android
no run

What should we do now?

I rooted my phone using Kingo. It has been perfect. It appears to be totally fine. I get up this morning and find the below comment and closed thread. Do we need to undo root and flash back to stock? Someone please help with this situation. I'm sure a bunch of people did this and would like to know what we should do now. Thanks Devs.
Kingo and vroot have been determined to be malware and unsafe for use, as such all threads will be closed and links removed.
Thank you

LuckyColdJohnson said:
I rooted my phone using Kingo. It has been perfect. It appears to be totally fine. I get up this morning and find the below comment and closed thread. Do we need to undo root and flash back to stock? Someone please help with this situation. I'm sure a bunch of people did this and would like to know what we should do now. Thanks Devs.
Kingo and vroot have been determined to be malware and unsafe for use, as such all threads will be closed and links removed.
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This thread would be more helpful if it had an informative subject line, such as "What to do about Kingo malware?". The subject you provided ("What should we do now?") gives readers no clue what the thread is about.
Anyway, does anyone know how the malware determination was made, and by whom? Does the purported malware afflict the PC that runs the software, the phone that gets rooted, or both?
Also, I notice that the locked Kingo thread in the dev forum only mentions the malware determination in the last post of the thread. Anyone who just reads the initial post, or who doesn't read all the way to the end, will still think the software has been confirmed ok. (I know the download link in the initial post has been removed, but that has little effect since the software is trivially Googled.)

Gary02468 said:
This thread would be more helpful if it had an informative subject line, such as "What to do about Kingo malware?". The subject you provided ("What should we do now?") gives readers no clue what the thread is about.
Anyway, does anyone know how the malware determination was made, and by whom? Does the purported malware afflict the PC that runs the software, the phone that gets rooted, or both?
Also, I notice that the locked Kingo thread in the dev forum only mentions the malware determination in the last post of the thread. Anyone who just reads the initial post, or who doesn't read all the way to the end, will still think the software has been confirmed ok. (I know the download link in the initial post has been removed, but that has little effect since the software is trivially Googled.)
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Looking at it now, I agree with the subject line needing to be a little better.
I was just told by a MOD the following. >
So now that I already have Kingo, what do you think I should do ? Keep it, our undo it? Please let me know, because I dont see anything wrong with it. Phone is working great.
MOD Get rid of it, it steals your information and sends it to remote servers and leaves back doors on your device and pc
MOD Correction, it's thought to do these things
Okay, I will undo it......When I plug my phone back up to PC and run Kingo, it has an Unroot option. Should I do it that way? Or should I look for STOCK files that came with the phone and us Odin to flash it? Thanks for your time.
MOD Stock, don't use the app anymore

If it's really malware (I don't know how that determination was made), any passwords, credit-card or bank-account numbers, etc. on your PC or your phone may have been exposed and should be changed now. Your PC and your phone may need to be disinfected, preferably by clean-installing a known-good system.
Just for future reference, when a company with no known track record offers free, unvetted, closed-source software, it's risky to install it on any system whose integrity you care about. That's especially the case when they claim to be a commercial venture but they say that their product will always be free, and there's no apparent way for them to profit from it.
I still don't know what evidence, if any, shows that this software is malicious. But it seemed blatantly suspicious from the beginning, so I've refrained from installing it.
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MOD Get rid of it, it steals your information and sends it to remote servers and leaves back doors on your device and pc
MOD Correction, it's thought to do these things
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Thought by whom, and on the basis of what evidence, if any?

Gary02468 said:
If it's really malware (I don't know how that determination was made), any passwords, credit-card or bank-account numbers, etc. on your PC or your phone may have been exposed and should be changed now. Your PC and your phone may need to be disinfected, preferably by clean-installing a known-good system.
Just for future reference, when a company with no known track record offers free, unvetted, closed-source software, it's risky to install it on any system whose integrity you care about. That's especially the case when they claim to be a commercial venture but they say that their product will always be free, and there's no apparent way for them to profit from it.
I still don't know what evidence, if any, shows that this software is malicious. But it seemed blatantly suspicious from the beginning, so I've refrained from installing it.
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Thought by whom, and on the basis of what evidence, if any?
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Well lets see here. The Devs and Moderators do a lot here at XDA. We trust them, and we do things to our phones.
Why wouldn't we trust what they say about certain methods? Threads and links being closed. I'm just saying...
Now I really want to make my phone go back to how it was when I bought it.
If there is anybody that's done it, I would love to know how.
It would be great if I could just use Odin with a file and not trip anything and go back. Please help me/others if this is possible.
Im sick to my stomach now. I knew I should of waited. **** !!!

LuckyColdJohnson said:
Well lets see here. The Devs and Moderators do a lot here at XDA. We trust them, and we do things to our phones.
Why wouldn't we trust what they say about certain methods?
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So far, no dev or mod has claimed here to have specific evidence that the software in question is malicious.
Sure, there's reason to be suspicious. But that was already obvious just from looking at the Kingo website.

Gary02468 said:
So far, no dev or mod has claimed here to have specific evidence that the software in question is malicious.
Sure, there's reason to be suspicious. But that was already obvious just from looking at the Kingo website.
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I don't know what to do. I have been rooting and modding phones and other electronics for years and now I feel like it's just not worth it. I trusted XDA and the Devs a lot. Heck a dev said that this way was easier and closed an old thread. So I ran with it and now 2 days later it's closed as well. I'm disappointed

LuckyColdJohnson said:
I don't know what to do. I have been rooting and modding phones and other electronics for years and now I feel like it's just not worth it. I trusted XDA and the Devs a lot. Heck a dev said that this way was easier and closed an old thread. So I ran with it and now 2 days later it's closed as well. I'm disappointed
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I think you need to look more closely at what it means to trust someone.
I do trust the devs here regarding the integrity of their own software, because their track record gives me evidence that they're trustworthy in that regard. I've flashed ROMs from here many times.
But I don't trust the devs--or anyone in the world--in the sense of automatically believing what they say about everything. I'm sure they wouldn't expect me to.
So if a dev makes an offhand remark that someone else's software (that they have no way of examining) is safe, then of course I'm not going to just take their word for it. And if they make an equally offhand remark that the software is malicious--but fail to mention why they think so--then I'm not going to automatically believe that, either.

LuckyColdJohnson said:
I don't know what to do. I have been rooting and modding phones and other electronics for years and now I feel like it's just not worth it. I trusted XDA and the Devs a lot. Heck a dev said that this way was easier and closed an old thread. So I ran with it and now 2 days later it's closed as well. I'm disappointed
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Why don't you reroot using De La Vega by DG? Although his method will wipe your phone back to stock but at least you know it works and it's safe.

Gary02468 said:
I think you need to look more closely at what it means to trust someone.
I do trust the devs here regarding the integrity of their own software, because their track record gives me evidence that they're trustworthy in that regard. I've flashed ROMs from here many times.
But I don't trust the devs--or anyone in the world--in the sense of automatically believing what they say about everything. I'm sure they wouldn't expect me to.
So if a dev makes an offhand remark that someone else's software (that they have no way of examining) is safe, then of course I'm not going to just take their word for it. And if they make an equally offhand remark that the software is malicious--but fail to mention why they think so--then I'm not going to automatically believe that, either.
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I agree man. Thanks for your input, I'm just a little mad. I did pay 399.00 for this and now, I just want it back to Stock. Thanks again, looking for a way.

ukic said:
Why don't you reroot using De La Vega by DG? Although his method will wipe your phone back to stock but at least you know it works and it's safe.
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Yup. If the phone is infected, wiping it clean is what you want to do anyway.
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I agree man. Thanks for your input, I'm just a little mad. I did pay 399.00 for this and now, I just want it back to Stock. Thanks again, looking for a way.
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I think your course of action depends on how much you have at risk. Do you have sensitive/valuable passwords, account numbers, etc. on your phone or your PC?
If you don't, then you might want to just ignore the risk until and unless someone establishes that Kingo is really malware.
But if you do have sensitive information at risk, your decision is trickier. The only really secure course of action would be to wipe both your phone and your PC, and to reset all your potentially-exposed passwords and financial accounts. But that's a lot of work to go to for a threat that might not even exist. So it really depends on what you have at stake.
In any case, I wish you the best of luck!

If all it does is send info to their servers I ponder if I could just start it under a virtual machine with no internet connection and root.
is the internet connection required?
I would much rather flash two second than a 2 gig file it just sounds alot riskier
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mrkhigh said:
If all it does is send info to their servers I ponder if I could just start it under a virtual machine with no internet connection and root.
is the internet connection required?
I would much rather flash two second than a 2 gig file it just sounds alot riskier
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These are just rumors and a Moderator let us know it wasn't safe so,,,,,,I just want to go back. Cant right now. Cant find the At&T Firmware,,I dont think its available yet.
For all we know, Vroot and Kingo could be okay. IDK

Grrrr so we shouldnt use Kingo unroot method...Im a feard...anyone know what to do now
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mrkhigh said:
If all it does is send info to their servers I ponder if I could just start it under a virtual machine with no internet connection and root.
is the internet connection required?
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I was thinking this as well but if the application leaves a back door open on the device itself then unless you plan on having your phone in Airplane mode 24/7 it would eventually send its payload over the wire.
I think the PC portion is controllable, its the mobile portion that has a lot of people on edge.
I found this website:
www[dot]majorgeeks.com/files/details/kingo_android_root[dot]html
Which seems to have links back into XDA about who made the claim and what not.
I see it like this, until someone can prove without a doubt that it is opening holes in devices and leaking information, its just another "he-said-she-said" argument.

exaltedgod said:
I was thinking this as well but if the application leaves a back door open on the device itself then unless you plan on having your phone in Airplane mode 24/7 it would eventually send its payload over the wire.
I think the PC portion is controllable, its the mobile portion that has a lot of people on edge.
I found this website:
www[dot]majorgeeks.com/files/details/kingo_android_root[dot]html
Which seems to have links back into XDA about who made the claim and what not.
I see it like this, until someone can prove without a doubt that it is opening holes in devices and leaking information, its just another "he-said-she-said" argument.
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Or someone is mad because they didn't come up with a root solution like this first, LOL just saying.
I tried the Vroot first, and it had a superuser app (from playstore) but its all in Chinese letters.
So I uninstalled that super user app and used Kingo to unroot (Which works perfectly)
Then I rebooted and rooted using Kingo. (Worked perfectly)
It put the superSU on there (In English) and has been awesome
Now Im going back to stock and never rooting again in my life because it pisses me off I can't trust ...Never mind
I will be using Vega method soon as I get home and Im done. This sucks. Battery life will also suck. Aw well. At least my info will be protected
I guess. Kingo,,,I wish they wouldn't of said that about you. Now I want you gone.

I've contacted Kingo on their website and asked them to comment, hopefully they will respond to the possibility of their app being permanently declared malware on the largest Android forum on the net. We'll see what they have to say about it, if anything.

Response from Kingo.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2515879
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Im back on stock and honestly, the phone fly's better.
I also have the watch so I'm going to wait for a new root method on new updated firmware.
This phone feels better and I got a better AnTUTU score without root.

LuckyColdJohnson said:
I agree man. Thanks for your input, I'm just a little mad. I did pay 399.00 for this and now, I just want it back to Stock. Thanks again, looking for a way.
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Root De La Vega works fine. Yes it does take a little more work and you have to wipe data but I've rooted/unrooted/rooted again and I've had no issues using DesignGear's method. DesignGear's is a great Dev...I don't think him telling people to use Kingo should change that opinion. Kingo seemed really, really weird to me from the beginning...but it does root the phone!

[Q] How could we crack bootloader?

Alright, so we now have root (somewhat), but now, we yearn for BL unlock. I've been investigating, but I've come up short. I'm in no way a developer (other than some basic HTML/CSS knowledge), so maybe the community can brainstorm and churn out ideas. If you have 'em, let 'em rip! :good:
EDIT: Ok, yes, I realize that I 'dun goofed. There are multiple threads about this and I made a mistake between root and WP. I know maiko1 has worked hard on getting us root, and I and everyone else appreciates it. My apologies for disturbing the peace.

jake7405 said:
Alright, so we now have root (somewhat), but now, we yearn for BL unlock. I've been investigating, but I've come up short. I'm in no way a developer (other than some basic HTML/CSS knowledge), so maybe the community can brainstorm and churn out ideas. If you have 'em, let 'em rip! :good:
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/bounty-disable-write-protection-unlock-t3067615
There are already multiple threads on this topic you are bringing up. Also what u have is root....there is no somewhat or in between. If you dont understand what moforoot does for the turbo then you shouldnt be tweaking your device in the first place.

I think the way is have a moto maxx and droid turbo together and study what changes with unlocking in maxx

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http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/bounty-disable-write-protection-unlock-t3067615
There are already multiple threads on this topic you are bringing up. Also what u have is root....there is no somewhat or in between. If you dont understand what moforoot does for the turbo then you shouldnt be tweaking your device in the first place.
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Right, but that's a bounty thread. This isn't, I must made this for general brainstorming and idea sharing. Also I only called it somewhat root because of write protection, but I get what you mean. Sorry if I'm bringing up an already discussed topic, but I know everyone is yearning for some kind of unlock, and I figure that discussion and brainstorm is good to help keep the idea moving forward.

what gets me, and no offense to anyone, but those with the skills and knowledge to do this do not brainstorm said ideas on xda, but in other resources and areas or in idfferent areas of xda. Too many people who have no idea what they are doing would hinder the process of accomplishing the goal. while i think this threads are a good thing in a way, they are really useless because the ones with the knowledge do not really come here and discuss the insanely complicated procedure of what must be done in order to accomplish things.

Here is another thread with the same idea called Droid Turbo Think Tank.
Nearly every person I've come into contact with has said it is possible to unlock the bootloader so that gives hope. But just don't expect it soon.

jake7405 said:
Alright, so we now have root (somewhat), but now, we yearn for BL unlock. I've been investigating, but I've come up short. I'm in no way a developer (other than some basic HTML/CSS knowledge), so maybe the community can brainstorm and churn out ideas. If you have 'em, let 'em rip! :good:
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When will this issue die? Root ACCESS, and write protection are NOT the same thing. Totally independent of each other. Everyone assuming that they are the same thing is starting to get ridiculous it has been explained here multiple times.

renegadeone8 said:
When will this issue die? Root ACCESS, and write protection are NOT the same thing. Totally independent of each other. Everyone assuming that they are the same thing is starting to get ridiculous it has been explained here multiple times.
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Can you explain this difference? I now understand they are different. I previously thought root was defined by having read write and execute permissions everywhere (including to the system)
Clearly I'm not right. But maybe you could explain that to me

Diego1751 said:
Can you explain this difference? I now understand they are different. I previously thought root was defined by having read write and execute permissions everywhere (including to the system)
Clearly I'm not right. But maybe you could explain that to me
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I may be wrong. That said, how I see it and how wiki answers:
Rooting "is the process of allowing users...running the Android mobile operating system to attain privileged control (known as "root access") over various Android's subsystems."
Privileged control "is the act of exploiting a bug, design flaw or configuration oversight in an operating system or software application to gain elevated access to resources that are normally protected from an application or user"
So by that, we have root. We (really maiko1) have exploited a bug that has given us elevated access to the system partition which is normally protected from us, the user.
Write protection is literally what it is. Protection from unauthorized code to be written.
I look at it as, we have root. A (seemingly large portion) of people had the same definition of Root as you, so those people are all upset merely because they started from an incorrect assumption of what they want. (Write access)
So say every birthday (phone) you have, Im going to get you a cake (Root) And every birthday that cake comes out and all your friends (Write access) surround you to celebrate. Well I never said I was bringing your friends, I just said cake. Then one year no friends come and all you have is cake. Now youre saying this isnt cake, where are my friends.. And my response is, no no no, I said I was giving you cake. Heres your cake, Its not my fault you assumed the friends always came with the cake.

Diego1751 said:
Can you explain this difference? I now understand they are different. I previously thought root was defined by having read write and execute permissions everywhere (including to the system)
Clearly I'm not right. But maybe you could explain that to me
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Basic Analogy: Compare Android to Windows for a second. Pretend that Microsoft removed the Administrator account, so nobody could use it, and they set up write-protection on C:\ and restricted your write abilities to C:\Users\YourUserName. So someone (maiko1) comes along and finds a way to re-enable the Administrator account, and you can use it, but due to write protection, you can only write to anywhere in C:\Users. Make sense?

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Basic Analogy: Compare Android to Windows for a second. Pretend that Microsoft removed the Administrator account, so nobody could use it, and they set up write-protection on C:\ and restricted your write abilities to C:\Users\YourUserName. So someone (maiko1) comes along and finds a way to re-enable the Administrator account, and you can use it, but due to write protection, you can only write to anywhere in C:\Users. Make sense?
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I may be wrong. That said, how I see it and how wiki answers:
Rooting "is the process of allowing users...running the Android mobile operating system to attain privileged control (known as "root access") over various Android's subsystems."
Privileged control "is the act of exploiting a bug, design flaw or configuration oversight in an operating system or software application to gain elevated access to resources that are normally protected from an application or user"
So by that, we have root. We (really maiko1) have exploited a bug that has given us elevated access to the system partition which is normally protected from us, the user.
Write protection is literally what it is. Protection from unauthorized code to be written.
I look at it as, we have root. A (seemingly large portion) of people had the same definition of Root as you, so those people are all upset merely because they started from an incorrect assumption of what they want. (Write access)
So say every birthday (phone) you have, Im going to get you a cake (Root) And every birthday that cake comes out and all your friends (Write access) surround you to celebrate. Well I never said I was bringing your friends, I just said cake. Then one year no friends come and all you have is cake. Now youre saying this isnt cake, where are my friends.. And my response is, no no no, I said I was giving you cake. Heres your cake, Its not my fault you assumed the friends always came with the cake.
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thanks for the explanation guys. I completely understand that root and write protection are different things. I USED to think this when Mofo was released it was the first root I had to pay for and I was also curious about this write protection thing because I had thought (when others explained root to me back when I was a noob) that root was defined by advanced control to the system (which it sounds like it is but this is a VERY loose definition) including read/write/exc acceses to the system and subsystems. after reading for a while to learn the difference I happily bought mofo (partly assuming more dev work will maybe unlock bl or wp) But now people in this thread (and many others) now know

Can we stick to one thread!

Chainfire and Kingteam going head to head

Looks like kinguser and supersu are going head to head.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61899071&postcount=1277
I sort of agree with kingteam on this, without their hard work there would be no root for a lot of people.
On the other hand they shouldn't force a third party app on to someone's device, but maybe offer it as part of the root process.
Still supersu doesn't block users from changing to another super user app, so they shouldn't neither.
So now we know why Chainfire won't support kinguser in flashfire.

hopefully Kingteam changes their policy about removing their propriety apps. Super-sume wouldn't have been made if it were for Kingteam's policies.

The question is why anyone who offers a rooting method wishes to force the use of their software.

louiscar said:
The question is why anyone who offers a rooting method wishes to force the use of their software.
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Well i think thats obvious. If youve ever spent time and effort developing something you'd understand, its not nice that a developer puts all the effort in and then the glory is taken by another. Its obvious Kingteam put a lot of effort into their root methods and creating the root management for it to just be immediately removed without even trying it. Its actually quite good, i used it for months on my htc m8 to no ill effect.
Itd be a shame if they decided to throw in the towel and discontinue any more development because of it.

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Well i think thats obvious. If youve ever spent time and effort developing something you'd understand, its not nice that a developer puts all the effort in and then the glory is taken by another....
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I don't think this is about glory. I understand your point but ... the whole idea of rooting is to gain control of your device, so prohibiting you from being able to choose what you have running on your device is defeating that purpose and fundamental principle.
Although I'm prepared to accept that their reasons for doing this may not be malicious it does little to encourage trust when they appear this desperate to stop you removing their software especially since it has root access. AFAIK this isn't open source and perhaps a lot of other stuff isn't but we have a basis of trust in most of those cases.
IMHO their strategy should be as any other dev who has gained a reputation, through the right channels (such as Chainfire). It takes time but their efforts and results would speak for itself and they could allay any fears by showing their code is safe. IF they really want people to TRY their software then the route to this is not to create fear and doubt about the integrity of their software but to do the exact opposite and allow people to have peace of mind whilst they give it a bash.
They claim that their reaction to Chainfire et al not responding to their communication has resulted in the denial to the user of the rights to choose what software runs on their devices. This reaction to me is rather childish and does little to persuade the likes of Chainfire or Supersume devs to change their minds.
They (Chainfire / Supersume) may or may not be actively trying to throw this software out or 'bad mouthing it as such', I don't know I've not heard their story but it could just be they are simply maintaining the ethics of user choice in offering to remove something that Kingroot team have deliberately made difficult to do.
On the other hand if they are telling people that Kinguser 'causes conflicts' they should back that up openly and offer the choice to remove purify or not - it is a request I note Kingxteam make and would be valid IMO unless there are good reasons why not. Good reasons would be closed source or why the code may conflict, if no one can verify the software is doing only what it is supposed to (now and in the future) it's a good reason not to have it in your device.
Call me sceptical but what is really in it for them? They aren't gaining any money by you running their software, but they sure act like there is something to gain. They spent a lot of time and effort in finding root solutions but they don't appear to be like other devs who do it for the challenge, or for themselves with a mind to share and who by the way don't try to 'sell' or 'force' their methods on us - you take it or leave it, and we do with thanks and donate or buy their pro versions to show appreciation.
Kingroot (Kingteam) on the other hand appear more like a company to me but who knows. That's the whole point, we don't seem to know a whole lot about their motives and that perhaps creates doubt whether rational or not.
And I agree providing there's nothing nasty in there it would be a shame if they threw in the towel but they are going the wrong way about it to gain people's trust - I'm sure many people would love to try their software and apps provided they don't have any nagging doubts.

You misunderstand what I'm saying. I don't condone the way they are going about things, but I do agree with their reasons. Its wrong that everyone is automatically removing kingroot/kinguser without even trying it.
Like I say I used it for a while and I actually preferred it to supersu, but now that devs like chainfire have prevented the use of kingsu with flashfire and only allows the use of his own or cwm there's no choice but to use supersu.
Now why has chainfire done that? He has basically forced people to use his own app. That's just as bad as what kingteam have done.
Don't get me wrong Chainfire is a stellar dev, but I dont understand that and that's how a lot of this has come about. Many have been converting to supersu to use flashfire. I bet there are loads that would have stuck with kinguser just for simplicity's sake if flashfire worked with it.
They don't prevent the removal of purify, I don't even think it gets installed as a system app, so its no big deal to remove. They shouldn't force install it though, that should be offered as a choice after successful root.
Neither do they prevent removal of kingroot and kinguser, it can all be cleanly removed from within kinguser.
As for being closed source that's no different to chainfires apps. His root solution is closed source and so is flashfire.
Kingteam have been around now for a while and have gained notoriety lately because their root solutions have worked for many. If they had any dishonorable intentions I'm sure it would have come out in the wash by now, but asfaik nothing untoward has happened to anyone.
I'm not protecting them in anyway just understanding their point of view, put it this way how many how have used their root exploit then clicked the link to their XDA thread and thanked them?
Probably not many, credit were credit's due I say.
Hard work deserves some recognition. Maybe I should add the link in my root thread.

Sad that this situation has occurred. I am very appreciative of Kingroot providing a method to root my Tab S without tripping KNOX. Without it I would not have rooted until my warrenty had come close to expiring. Unfortunitely I would have removed Kingroot apps for SuperSU for a few reasons
1) I already paid for SuperSU Pro and use it on my other devices
2) Flashfire providers most of my custom recovery needs which Kingroot does not. There is an argument for Flashfire being decoupled from SuperSU but not the development overhead when you flash an updated firmware ( e.g. B0E2 to B0E3). Flashing an upgrade requires the preservation of the root manager. I want OS updates that automatically preserve root so need Flashfire. Of course I've not mentioned other Flashfire features but I'm trying to stay relevant to the topic.
3) SuperSU's policies have provided methods to work around Samsung's bootloader SELinux enforcement. Without it I would not be able to use Viper4Android and an Ext4 formatted OTG microSD card.
I would have been happy to donate money to Kingroot for their rooting service but to the best of my knowledge they do not have a donate option. I would have only done so through PayPal or the Playstore. That brings me to my hesitation to using rooting methods from sources I do not know. I can say I was hesitant to use Kingroot at all and let others be the guinea pigs. Call me paranoid but I've seen first hand and read everyday the malicious nature of the net. At least Chainfire is a known developer on the Playstore.
In the end what maybe more of a question is the lack of rights that customers who purchased, not rented, their devices have. Why are unlocked bootloaders not a right with root management built in? Where do the manufacturers get off restricting me from doing what the heck I want with my devices? Sure limit my warrenty in some way (e.g. Overclocking burnout) but if hardware becomes faulty independent of rooting why should they be off the hook?
I hope some balance/compromise can be met between these important contributors.
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Its wrong that everyone is automatically removing kingroot/kinguser without even trying it.
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Can you say that? The main reason people do it is because of the doubt and uncertainty of something new. Getting root is one thing and people are grateful for that but running something they are not familiar let alone trust is another.
And of course as for me too this is one of my reasons:
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1) I already paid for SuperSU Pro and use it on my other devices
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.. and I'm used to using it. I should have that choice surely? And his other reasons are good and valid too.
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... devs like chainfire have prevented the use of kingsu with flashfire and only allows the use of his own or cwm there's no choice but to use supersu.
Now why has chainfire done that? He has basically forced people to use his own app. That's just as bad as what kingteam have done.
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I agree and I wish they'd discuss it more. I would like to know what is really going on with all this.
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I bet there are loads that would have stuck with kinguser just for simplicity's sake if flashfire worked with it.
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I'm sure but it's difficult to know how many more would. Some people just want root to get some degree of control. Not all are flashaholics. Doubt and uncertainty are more prevalent here because of the immediate perceived need to remove it as soon as possible.
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Neither do they prevent removal of kingroot and kinguser, it can all be cleanly removed from within kinguser.
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If you don't mind losing root. So it's a pointless exercise and it's a kind of blackmail.
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As for being closed source that's no different to chainfires apps. His root solution is closed source and so is flashfire.
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But as I say there is a basis for trust that doesn't exist with Kingroot ... yet anyway.
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Kingteam have been around now for a while and have gained notoriety lately because their root solutions have worked for many. If they had any dishonorable intentions I'm sure it would have come out in the wash by now, but asfaik nothing untoward has happened to anyone.
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Let's just turn on [paranoia mode] for a moment. They aren't doing anything now perhaps they just want to get as many devices running it then on a future update ..... [/paranoia mode off]
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I would have been happy to donate money to Kingroot for their rooting service but to the best of my knowledge they do not have a donate option. I would have only done so through PayPal or the Playstore. That brings me to my hesitation to using rooting methods from sources I do not know. I can say I was hesitant to use Kingroot at all and let others be the guinea pigs. Call me paranoid but I've seen first hand and read everyday the malicious nature of the net. At least Chainfire is a known developer on the Playstore.
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Exactly the point. Again what is their motivation? What are they getting out of all this furious hard work on multiple devices? I looked at the purify thread - it's a fully responsive engagement of support which is not unlike a company that has a paid product out there and keen to support it for more sales.
Cloud servers, a large (don't know) team of people? Often devs like Chainfire have little time to engage on this level, they are too busy on the product AND with their own lives / jobs. This is not their full time job in most cases.
This psychology isn't unusual. If someone came to you and offered you a free lunch you are going to be suspicious right? The first thing you are going to think of is 'what's in it for them'. Right or wrong this is how we work.
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I'm not protecting them in anyway just understanding their point of view, put it this way how many how have used their root exploit then clicked the link to their XDA thread and thanked them?
Probably not many, credit were credit's due I say.
Hard work deserves some recognition. Maybe I should add the link in my root thread.
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You are right - their threads do have a lot of thanks but perhaps not nearly as many as have used their solution - perhaps because of threads like yours where you provide a solution for a particular device so we don't automatically go to the Kingroot thread and leave our thanks. But bear in mind that the appearance of threads like yours in the first place were to tell people how to get rid of Kinguser after rooting.
Yes put a link and prompt to give thanks to them it's right.
For my part I would like to see some pressure or prompting for both parties to get something sorted out. Kingxteam to stop throwing toys out of the pram and writing restrictive code into their apps and Chainfire et al to come out and discuss their own restrictive policies and explain their concerns.

Welcome to a free world.
Kingroot are free to make their software anyway they want.
Chainfire is free to make his software any way he wants.
You (the user) is free to use one or the other or neither if you want.
If you dislike how kinguser is handeling this situation, but you still want a way to root without tripping knox then, you are free to design and write that code yourself.
Also as for what is in it for the kingxteam remember google, facebook, and quite a few others made products with not very solid monetarization ideas and now they are worth quite a bit. Much of the internet age has been make a product many ppl use and figure out a way to turn a profit afterwords.

Agreed, user choice at the end of the day, we get this same attitude in the HTC forum regarding sunshine s-off.
If you don't like it don't use it or remove it, they don't stop you doing that.
As for the fear factor of using an unknown app, isn't that what millions of people do everyday when installing apps on their device?
The average user never pays any mind to the permissions some of those apps use.
If it works they use it, simple as.
If your happy to let an exploit hack your device and gain high level privileges to it you can't be that concerned with Security otherwise you wouldn't root in the first place.
Too much paranoia going on here me thinks.
Personally I don't give a fig about kingteam planting a time bomb on my device, what's the worst that can happen? Once I get root I can weed out any naughty stuff.
Today's devices are becoming very secure for the average user, but the tinkerers don't like that, so what do the majority do? Root, flash custom kernels, Roms and recoveries and override all that security that's been implemented.
And were worried about a couple of little apps? Come on.

acdbrn2000 said:
Welcome to a free world.
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There's always someone who'll come up with the age old saying of 'well if you don't like it don't use it.'
Frankly there's not a lot left to say to such posts and that is probably a good point to leave it.

Well it's quite interesting to read this over a year later and seeing how Kingroot has an app in the play store but I have looked everywhere and it's installed as a system app on my phone, I was actually researching FlashFire hoping to be able to get an OTA update and now I am looking to uninstall KingRoot 5.0.0 to go back to an older version of KingRoot. I would like to be able to switch out KingSU for supersu. But each belongs to each developer.