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Moxier Mail vs Touchdown

Has anyone spent any time comparing these two apps?
I really like Moxier. Even though it doesn't give you direct view access to your contacts or calendar, it does sync them and allow you to access your contacts from within an email and it gives you calendar alerts in your notification bar.
Touchdown has great support. It allows direct view of contacts and calendar.
Both support activesync push.
Right now, I'm trying to determine which one I'll be paying for.
The battery life seems to be a little bit better with Touchdown, but I can't say for certain.
Anyone have any thoughts?

Been usin' TD for about 5 months now, since the early betas, and it never ceases to impress me.

Yeah, I've been using TD off and on for the last few weeks.
I decided to test Moxier the other day when they sent me an email about the limited release.
I like Moxier in a lot of ways but I'm convinced it's not as refined as TD and it tears my battery down where TD doesn't appear to affect it at all.
I think I will be sticking with TD.
I do wish that handled folders as well as Moxier but all in all, I think TD is a better product.
Thanks for the input.

Just got notified of TD 3.0 today. Seems cool so far. Not sure what's change exactly. Something about accelerated push.

Touchdown is way better than moxier. Te mere fact that you can select multiple emails for deletion is worth it.
I love the synching of everyhtign else as well.
Calender, contacs.
Yes, touchdown kicks ass on Moxier.

Moxier has the ability to do what you are asking. Multiple selects to move, archive, delete etc.
I am using Moxier Pre Release because TD won't handle my mailbox (not sure why).
It does do a number on the battery and I would not purchase it until that gets fixed. It also seems to be turning push on all the time. Service keeps reloading itself and that may be linked to the battery issue. Moxier team has some work to do, definitely. But don't count them out just yet, there's some things that they are definite doing right.

Now we have another option ROADSYNC from DATAVIZ. They released a beta version for now.

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Now we have another option ROADSYNC from DATAVIZ. They released a beta version for now.
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I tried it. It won't let me trust my self-signed cert so I can't use it yet.
I think TD is still the best bet. I just wish it would let me download the current content of select folders instead of only what is new. That's the one thing Moxier does that nothing else so far can do.

Have you guys tried Haykuro's H build, it has an Inbuid exchange client developed by HTS itself. it is by far the best one. almost as feature rich as any WinMo phone. You can even send and accept calender invitations. plus the contacts sync with phone contacts and it will show both GMail contacts and Exchange contacts. it is fast, feature rich, very low battery consumption. I am sure when the release build comes out All Moxier's and touchdown's will be out of business. cauz HTC one is free & some one will port it from Sapphire's build to released G1 cupcake build.

My_Name_Is_Neo said:
Have you guys tried Haykuro's H build, it has an Inbuid exchange client developed by HTS itself. it is by far the best one. almost as feature rich as any WinMo phone. You can even send and accept calender invitations. plus the contacts sync with phone contacts and it will show both GMail contacts and Exchange contacts. it is fast, feature rich, very low battery consumption. I am sure when the release build comes out All Moxier's and touchdown's will be out of business. cauz HTC one is free & some one will port it from Sapphire's build to released G1 cupcake build.
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i prefer to have a fullty functional, stable working phone with myfaves.

I mostly agree with Henchman.
I don't mind being on the bleeding edge to some extent, but with certain apps still not working with the Haykuro builds and htc exchange apparently fubar'ing calander entries, I'm inclined to wait just a little bit longer.
I am tempted every day though. I may bite the bullet and do it anyway, I just haven't reached that point yet.

Backup your phone to NAND and test it out. Worst case, you re-flash with your previous build. I'm going to try it this weekend.
I'm horny for native exchange support, I really am.
Native exchange plus native USB or WiFi tethering makes me want to jizz my shorts. Not sure when or if the latter will arrive, but I will keep hope alive.

maxawesome said:
Backup your phone to NAND and test it out. Worst case, you re-flash with your previous build. I'm going to try it this weekend.
I'm horny for native exchange support, I really am.
Native exchange plus native USB or WiFi tethering makes me want to jizz my shorts. Not sure when or if the latter will arrive, but I will keep hope alive.
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Well, I went ahead and flashed theDude's version even without exchange support. I just hope that it gets added soon. Right now, this is just a solid build and I'll live without exchange for a while longer if I have to.

i find myself unwilling to pay for an app that will become part of the OS soon, especially at the cost for touchdown and moxier.

breaultm said:
i find myself unwilling to pay for an app that will become part of the OS soon, especially at the cost for touchdown and moxier.
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Don't hold your breath.
I flashed the Haykuro update, and yes, it does exchange.
But the email client is still as lame as ever.
No multiple email selects to delete multiple emails.

Is there a way to extract that exchange program from Haykuros version so that we can use it on other 1.5 versions?

Been using MailShadow since the beginning.
Prefer it over TouchDown as it syncs all your exchange data with Gmail (contacts/calendar/email) so you get to use the built in Google apps. It's also better since it makes your ENTIRE exchange mailbox available via the gmail app.... all your folders (labels), etc. I do have TouchDown as a backup though just in case.
Only downside is that it needs to run on a desktop computer at all times to sync- doesn't matter to me though as my computer is always on.

Haykuro new ADP1.5Hr4
Upcoming features in ADP1.5Hr4:
+ Newer SuperUser app
+ HTC E-Mail client. (Exchange support should work.. more info on this feature as i progress)
+ Based on newer firmware.

Had both.
Moxier has too many bugs. Contacts with "work"-numbers not getting synced. Force closes if you click on the header of a mail.
No notification if a new mail is in a folder (have set up some rules on the server to see important mails directly).
Notification itself is crap. If you open Moxier directly, not through the statusbar, the icon will never disappear.
TD is working way better..
Support of Moxier is worst. Takes weeks to get any information..

TouchDown gave me a free license since I am a T-Mo employee so I use TouchDown....and I really like it.

better email program??

I switched to this phone (HTC Hero) from the Palm Pre and while the Pre had its issues it had some pluses over this phone. One being the email program. I know yahoo sux and all but this is my primary email for business and for some reason this phone constantly gives a login error when trying to get mail from it. WHY?? Also there is no push email? And is there or will there be swipe delete available, ever? I am new here and searched for emails before making this thread and nothing related came back. Thanks for any info

The "Google Mail" program (the one with the red and white envelope as an icon) does IMAP-IDLE/Push Mail. The HTC "Mail" program (the one with the mailbox as an icon) does not.
K-9 or k9mail also does Push mail (IMAP-IDLE). You can find it in the market or at http://code.google.com/p/k9mail/ . It also shows the error messages if something goes wrong, so you have a chance to correct your settings.

thanks, I appreciate the help. I don't see the option for push email in the google envelope, but I will try the other

Google doesn't call it push, its in settings>data synchronization>google>auto sync
I've tried for the last week to get the HTC mail apps to get mail pushed but resigned myself to just using the gmail app, which works great for push mail.

Google Mail seems to be most reliable for quick mail delivery, if you're stuck with a Yahoo account for business reasons you can set Yahoo Mail to auto-forward to Google Mail and then your Hero can download it from there. You can even set your reply-to address to Yahoo so it's transparent to the person emailing you.

that, or open a gmail account and have it pull stuff from yahoo, bypass yahoo all together and have either gmail activesync or htc mail checking in intervals

He shouldn't have to do this. The phone should come with a good built in mail client... The iPhone has a good mail client that can use Push GMAIL, Mobile Me etc... as well as Exchange support and iMap and Pop3 support... If HTC is going to ship phones with their own software on a device that goes outside of what is provided through the OS and Google then they should ensure the quality of that software.

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He shouldn't have to do this. The phone should come with a good built in mail client... The iPhone has a good mail client that can use Push GMAIL, Mobile Me etc... as well as Exchange support and iMap and Pop3 support... If HTC is going to ship phones with their own software on a device that goes outside of what is provided through the OS and Google then they should ensure the quality of that software.
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What's wrong with K9 mail? Half the reason for having such an open platform is so that developers can create their own apps and so that there is a variety of choices for end users.
People keep comparing Android phones to the iPhone without understanding that they're VERY different platforms. One is highly customizable and extensible (Android) and the other is locked down to being the same worldwide (iPhone.)

Extensibility should never come at the price of reliability and quality. BTW there are other email Apps made for the iPhone that work very well. I was just pointing out that if you're going to bundle your software and sell your product at a premium it should be good software and not works some times under certain conditions and when the stars align just right. They are different platforms yes, but quality is quality regardless of open or closed (or perceived closed... you still have to root your phone to do a a alot of this customization you speak of which is no different than jailbreaking an iPhone if you want to be objective about it). You shouldn't have to rely on third party developers to make an app because your built in app isn't exceptional quality. If you package it with your product you should be stamping and standing by the quality of your product. Developers should add new features and apps that do things better than your existing app sure, but not because your software isn't up to snuff but because your product has already set a high standard and the developers can work hard to hit or even exceed that standard. If you have to cut some features to ensure that the features that are there are done REALLY REALLY well then so be it. Quality over quantity any day. This isn't a rail on Android as an OS as much as it is a rail on HTC for charging a premium for their phones because they package their own software with the phone that 'kinda works'. Why charge that premium and add your software to an already good phone OS if you're not going to make sure it works perfectly with industry standard features out of the box.

Will WP8 carry over email issues with EAS to Exchange Server 2003?

Ok so I have a Lumia 900 and am considering the 920. What would kill the deal are issues with Exchange Server 2003 (work uses it, so I don't have a choice). I can't download attachments, and certain emails (the most critical ones) come through as having blank bodies (with no preview). I can't really find what the issue is with the blank emails, as I've been searching for a while. I'm thinking maybe the emails are HTML format but I thought they were rtf but whatever.... Server-side IT has made it clear the emails are going to be served up how they are, period. The emails can be viewed in Outlook 2007 and 2010 without appearing blank, and if they are forwarded from my phone (where they appear blank), they will forward as blank emails no matter where I send them. The long and short of it is that they don't work and I need them to. Here seems to be a site that maps out some of the known incompatibilities: Exchange ActiveSync Considerations When Using Windows Phone 7 Clients
So, my question is, will WP8 use a different EAS client which will alleviate the issues seen between WP7.* and Exchange Server 2003?

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Ok so I have a Lumia 900 and am considering the 920. What would kill the deal are issues with Exchange Server 2003 (work uses it, so I don't have a choice). I can't download attachments, and certain emails (the most critical ones) come through as having blank bodies (with no preview). I can't really find what the issue is with the blank emails, as I've been searching for a while. I'm thinking maybe the emails are HTML format but I thought they were rtf but whatever.... Server-side IT has made it clear the emails are going to be served up how they are, period. The emails can be viewed in Outlook 2007 and 2010 without appearing blank, and if they are forwarded from my phone (where they appear blank), they will forward as blank emails no matter where I send them. The long and short of it is that they don't work and I need them to. Here seems to be a site that maps out some of the known incompatibilities: Exchange ActiveSync Considerations When Using Windows Phone 7 Clients
So, my question is, will WP8 use a different EAS client which will alleviate the issues seen between WP7.* and Exchange Server 2003?
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Interesting question. I will post this internally with the Exchange product group and see what I get back. I have a few clients myself that are using Exchange 2003 and this would be a deal killer for me as well.

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Interesting question. I will post this internally with the Exchange product group and see what I get back. I have a few clients myself that are using Exchange 2003 and this would be a deal killer for me as well.
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Thanks, I appreciate that.
Also, if there are any viable workarounds for the HTML mail thing, I'd be all ears about that too. I've been holding on to WP for a while hoping something would come through resolving whatever incompatibility is responsible for that, but no dice so far. I'm not sure what the deal is with attachments, sometimes they work and sometimes they fail, so I'm not sure if that's resolved or if the PEBKAC, but that's a much less severe issue for me anyway.
Bottom line is I've been squeaking by without having to be able to read these emails on my phone, but it has caused some issues for sure. I'd love to get the 920, but unfortunately this is a deal breaker issue. Sucks. I'm really hoping the EAS client in WP8 is reworked and free of that particular incompatibility.

Giving this post a bump as I would like to find out whether WP8 has the same issues regarding the download of attachments in combination w/ Exchange 2003 and EAS.
Would be great if Microsoft provided an update for this article (http://social.technet.microsoft.com...tions-when-using-windows-phone-7-clients.aspx), but I guess we'll be quicker finding out ourself.

I have had my 920 for about 3 weeks now and I am using connected to my work office 2003 server without any issues.
Never had any problems with blank email or attachement.

There was a bug a while back that caused replies and forwarded emails on Exchange 2003 server accounts to have blank bodies but that was a long time ago and I'm fairly certain the OS build the lumia 900 came with had this fix in it. I imagine your phone has the latest updates so it can't be that.
It might be something with the servers Exchange configuration that's causing this because except for that bug I mentioned I've never had this issue with my 2 Exchange 2003 server accounts. No way of knowing if the problem has been fixed without getting a new phone on that Exchange server.

I think the attachments might have started working at some point, but HTML formatted mail did not work up until the point where I got rid of the 900 a couple weeks ago. I don't know of an update since then which would have fixed it but emails in the format generated by my company's issue tracking system all always arrived with blank bodies. Pretty sure it is the HTML format incompatibility confirmed by MS themselves.
Those same emails arrive on iOS, Android, and the desktop client just fine. I've inquired directly with MS about whether WP8 would be capable, but I've received nothing back. Server side IT confirmed it wasn't anything on their end (taken with a grain of salt of course but they're pretty competent). I guess I could go to the AT&T store and set up my email on one of the display units to check but I just decided to get a different phone.
I'd still like to know if it'll be an issue though. Who knows, I might pick up the 920 in the near future if I end up not keeping the Note2.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using xda premium

What type of issue tracking system are you using? Might be an interesting question for other people considering the combination.

We call it SOFA, not sure if that's the name of the engine itself or if it's our own acronym. I'd have to check.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317

Request Email Review (Nexus 4)

Folks, can anybody with a N4 do an email functionality review on the N4 (and perhaps comparing it to iOS mail client)?
I use a 4S for my corporate (and personal) email, and like most would know, the Mail application on iOS has its own sets of ways to get things done. Some simple things like group select, select all, mail attachments on either new mail or replying are not allowed by the stock application (just allows images which is useless for corporate email). I also use active sync and generally it works very well for push. I also have the need to search my email from old archives (mails which are 2 or 3 years old). I am not happy with the iOS mail client, but it just about does the job.
I haven't tried the Android space and there is no way I can try this without buying a phone. From reading reviews, looks like K9 may be the client which supports my needs (We really need a mutt like MUA for hand helds!)
Would appreciate any pointers around this.

Imagine gmail app .its basically the same. I have NHS e-mail (hospital) that uses secure exchange to use it I would have to encrypt my phone for security reasons. However, the email functionality is the same as in gmail from what I remember
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The stock one is fine these days - I highly recommend Aquamail though.
There's also Touchdown which is optimised for exchange.. Not used that one (our company moved to google apps).

[Q] Gmail Exchange Setup

Hey all,
just upgraded from a Note2 to the Xperia Z.
I've been trying to setup my Exchange email for over an hour without success,
I've got it setup on the note2 working fine and notifying when mails are coming in. So settings seem right, but it won't budge on the Xperia Z, I know google talked about ending support for Exchange, but surely if it's working on my current phone, why not work on my new phone?
Settings being used.
EMAIL ADDRESS:
*****@gmail.com
-->
DOMAIN\USERNAME:
\*****
*I've tried
\*****@gmail.com
\*****@googlemail.com
\*****@gmail.com\
\*****@googlemail.com\
\*****@gmail.com
\*****@googlemail.com
\*****@gmail.com\
\*****@googlemail.com\
google\*****@gmail.com
google\*****@googlemail.com
google\*****@gmail.com\
google\*****@googlemail.com\
PASSWORD:
*****
SERVER:
m.google.com
*I've tried
google.com
USE SECURE CONNECTION:
Yes
*i've tried
No
ACCEPT ALL SSL CERTS:
NO
*i've tried
Yes
i've tried everything i can think of, while my other phone is quite happily notifying me of emails coming in, i really don't understand what i'm doing wrong here, surely Google aren't stopping my new phone, but allowing my old phone? If so thats a bit rubbish.
Any and all help welcome, thanks
Luke.

Same here. I have switched to android 2 weeks ago from iphone. On iphone i was getting e-mail notifications from google instantly when message was received on google server for few last years. Now it is not so good. I have checked now set up instructions for google sync and it says that it is for Google apps for business, education and government users. It was free for all before. It is free for all old users though but it seems that when you switch phones while using same gmail account, it does not transfer. Notifications on my ipad are still instant.

Why do you use exchange instead of the Gmail app?

Dsteppa said:
Why do you use exchange instead of the Gmail app?
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One reason especially on my old Samsung was that it displayed emails in a better format, as gmail used to have a stupid limit to the zoom meaning i had to scroll left to right on emails and it was bloody annoying. Also i find Exchange is near instant on arrival, while gmail is anywhere from instant to 5 minutes late.
If this is the scheme of new phones no longer working on exchange i'm pretty pissed off with google.

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If this is the scheme of new phones no longer working on exchange i'm pretty pissed off with google.
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Yes it is. I cannot post links. Google "Google drops Exchange ActiveSync support"