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HTC Incredible S’ Bootloader And Recovery Are Signed

bad news
read this : http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...s-bootloader-and-recovery-are-signed-as-well/

RIP HTC
Complete Fail. TT

That was one of the reasons i liked HTC, but signed recoverys are no go. If they keep this tactic, no more htc for me

JeckyllHavok said:
That was one of the reasons i liked HTC, but signed recoverys are no go. If they keep this tactic, no more htc for me
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Exactly.
I don't even understand why they would do this...do they not realize that there is a pretty decent amount of customers who buy their phones based on the fact they're completely open to customization?
I feel like this would hurt them more than it could ever help them.

It's coming home, it's coming, my Blackberry's coming home, it's coming home.
Sorry Android, sorry Google, but for me, RIM is better.

redank said:
bad news
read this : http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...s-bootloader-and-recovery-are-signed-as-well/
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Saw this as soon as I woke up this morning. Bad news indeed. Very disappointing.
Just one more reason not to get the Incredible S
derhannes1983 said:
It's coming home, it's coming, my Blackberry's coming home, it's coming home.
Sorry Android, sorry Google, but for me, RIM is better.
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I've been thinking the same thing.

There goes the only developer-friendly phone maker..

I guess that means we want see any root access/development/custom roms for the Incredible S.

Not neccessarily, as I've already posted in the rooting thread, this was already known about and hasn't stopped us yet. Please be patient and stop spreading FUD

Does this mean we will never see csutom roms, or does this mean we'll have to wait until it's cracked?

JeckyllHavok said:
That was one of the reasons i liked HTC, but signed recoverys are no go. If they keep this tactic, no more htc for me
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I Fully agree. It's a pitty HTC wants in on the control over my device game...

I also hate that they want to control our devices. My next device probably wont be an HTC anymore also, however i do like the fooling arround with my phone. id rather would have it rooted quite easily, but i dont hate it they require some manual actions, since it saves a lot of people from having malware on there phones, but hell.... this one is over the top.
Probably have the IS for the next 2 years, so got enough time to play with it haha.

@DaanJordaan
having a motorola milestone with a signature-locked bootloader i can say, that custom roms ARE available... the key-difference is, that the signature-checking bootloader only boots signed kernels. everything else can be replaced with custom-made files. as an exaple: CyanogenMod ist available for the milestone, but without the enhanced kernel.
which in essence means:
custom roms: yes
custom kernels: no
i don't know how big the difference betweet the moto-bootloader and the htc-bootloader is. but if it's somehow similar, custom roms without custom-kernels will work. which indeed sucks... but that's still better than no custom roms at all... let's just hope htc produces very well coded kernels...

I dont think its "HTC" who wants to control rhe device, i've heard its the carriers that are asking for the bootloader to be singed, so they dont have to replace a brick device someone tried ro hack,
Just be thankfull they only signed it and not encrypted it like motorola.
Sent from my Defy

Brumble said:
I dont think its "HTC" who wants to control rhe device, i've heard its the carriers that are asking for the bootloader to be singed, so they dont have to replace a brick device someone tried ro hack,
Just be thankfull they only signed it and not encrypted it like motorola.
Sent from my Defy
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That makes sense (no pun intended).
It's still not good news for the developer community though.

kaze06 said:
That makes sense (no pun intended).
It's still not good news for the developer community though.
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No it doesn't. Maybe in the US it does. I can buy a OEM Incredible S with no association with any carrier by paying full price, but seems like even these factory HTC devices are bootloader signed.

syl0n said:
No it doesn't. Maybe in the US it does. I can buy a OEM Incredible S with no association with any carrier by paying full price, but seems like even these factory HTC devices are bootloader signed.
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Its probably easier for HTC to just push all the incredible s's through the same production line.
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Don't stress on this. ~1hour after it was identified on the thunderbolt, it was bypassed.
Don't go returning phones or quitting android over this.

I hope it will get rooted, I have just sold my HTC Desire, and am looking either to get the Nexus S or this. I have every confidence in the Dev guys to crack it.
HTC really have done something silly, the only reason the Desire sold so well was because it could get rooted so easily and allowed people to do anything they liked to it!

If this info is confirmed then the LG Optimus 2X is the best new phone!
I like HTC but I am not a fanboy fanatic to limit Android to HTC devices

Rom

I was just wondering why there was only one ROM out for the Revolution?
I'm sure there is a logical and easy answer. I don't get a lot of time to read through all the threads so please forgive me if the answer is right there slapping me in the face

currently we only have 1 (thecubed) developer making roms for the lg revolution...

I understand as well. I see a lot of roms out for other handsets but I will say the rom that was made by thecube has been great!
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It probably has more to do with LG NOT releasing the source code.

Phone is not made by HTC... Devs seem to like them the best...
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Just try to the rom that Thecube has made. It is great, light weight, and very easy on the battery. If it is missing something, I am sure he would be more than happy to give you some additional assistance.
I honestly like the fact that only one person is working on it, then you are not risking getting buggy roms on the forums here. And it's easier on the person doing it I am sure, because that is all he is working on.
I wish this phone was more popular over all, I think it's a great phone, certainly the best I have ever had. I had a BB Curve 8330, the Moment, the Transform. Then the HTC Desire, after trying the Samsung Galaxy for a week (yuck), and now this one.
Sorry for the tangent there. I dig my phone.

markapowell said:
Just try to the rom that Thecube has made. It is great, light weight, and very easy on the battery. If it is missing something, I am sure he would be more than happy to give you some additional assistance.
I honestly like the fact that only one person is working on it, then you are not risking getting buggy roms on the forums here. And it's easier on the person doing it I am sure, because that is all he is working on.
I wish this phone was more popular over all, I think it's a great phone, certainly the best I have ever had. I had a BB Curve 8330, the Moment, the Transform. Then the HTC Desire, after trying the Samsung Galaxy for a week (yuck), and now this one.
Sorry for the tangent there. I dig my phone.
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Agreed much nicer phone then my Inc and that was an awesome phone.
I'm sure more developers will come along. Although we are very lucky to have a good one currently.

Desire C.

Well I got my son his upgrade this week, a desire c.
Its nice, running ics, has 95mb internal to start with, a nippy 600 core. And once connected to a good size SD card, it monitors and shares space around the phone.
The bump to send an app feature is cool.
I was disappointed to find we have a faster phone overall and yet we cannot have it.
Also found playing temple run easy on the desire c.
So....after the 14day grace period is over I'm gonna have a look inside it. See what I can find. And being as there's no forum for it just yet...try and root it too.
But this makes me think why should we carry on with this salsa?? HTC don't care. Our phone shops are knocking them out cheap, and as I did say to them when I got the upgrade, how can u sell a phone that will never be supported by its maker.....I just got a disgruntled look and told that's htc for you.
I will never stop producing roms etc for this but I may move to the new xperia range yet as its far more advanced now Unless something can be done for us.
So people what we need is a kernel developer to help us. There issue is they don't have our phone to test it on...so why should they help us.....anyone find a way to get this moving...please post up!
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BigBearEvo said:
Well I got my son his upgrade this week, a desire c.
Its nice, running ics, has 95mb internal to start with, a nippy 600 core. And once connected to a good size SD card, it monitors and shares space around the phone.
The bump to send an app feature is cool.
I was disappointed to find we have a faster phone overall and yet we cannot have it.
Also found playing temple run easy on the desire c.
So....after the 14day grace period is over I'm gonna have a look inside it. See what I can find. And being as there's no forum for it just yet...try and root it too.
But this makes me think why should we carry on with this salsa?? HTC don't care. Our phone shops are knocking them out cheap, and as I did say to them when I got the upgrade, how can u sell a phone that will never be supported by its maker.....I just got a disgruntled look and told that's htc for you.
I will never stop producing roms etc for this but I may move to the new xperia range yet as its far more advanced now Unless something can be done for us.
So people what we need is a kernel developer to help us. There issue is they don't have our phone to test it on...so why should they help us.....anyone find a way to get this moving...please post up!
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can a one x kernel dveloper can do that
i have pm'ed a guy called faux123 who devlops htc phones kernels
i have asked him about making a ksc for android 2.3.5
Hope everything turns out good

Is there really any need to flash a custom Rom on the One?

Firstly, please don't get me wrong here. Im not trolling in the slightest and I really appreciate all the work the devs do here.
With the HTC One having such high specs is there really any need to flash custom Roms? In my opinion all of them seem the same and don't look or feel any different to the stock rom on the One. The only benefit I can see is for Root access.
Im sure there is a lot of "under the hood" tweaks that are done but are these really noticeable or beneficial to the end user? Other peoples thoughts would be interesting.

dr9722 said:
Firstly, please don't get me wrong here. Im not trolling in the slightest and I really appreciate all the work the devs do here.
With the HTC One having such high specs is there really any need to flash custom Roms? In my opinion all of them seem the same and don't look or feel any different to the stock rom on the One. The only benefit I can see is for Root access.
Im sure there is a lot of "under the hood" tweaks that are done but are these really noticeable or beneficial to the end user? Other peoples thoughts would be interesting.
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Actually yes, I wish to get CM working fully on HTC One.
It gives us an alternate experience than what HTC wanted us to.
Best of all, you don't have to wait so long for HTC to update their phones.
Especially when they abandon the One, we rely on CM.
But I'm really hoping for the success of the One, nobody could resist the look and feel of the One.

Livebyte said:
Actually yes, I wish to get CM working fully on HTC One.
It gives us an alternate experience than what HTC wanted us to.
Best of all, you don't have to wait so long for HTC to update their phones.
Especially when they abandon the One, we rely on CM.
But I'm really hoping for the success of the One, nobody could resist the look and feel of the One.
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I totally agree the updates and the benefit of getting rid on Sense if you dont like it is a real benefit. But is there a need for multiple Sense custom roms?

dr9722 said:
I totally agree the updates and the benefit of getting rid on Sense if you dont like it is a real benefit. But is there a need for multiple Sense custom roms?
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That's subjective I guess. But for something like example HTC DROID DNA or Butterfly, Sense 5 gets ported before HTC did. So I guess it's also a huge benefit.

Earlier updates is the main reason why I will be rooting, these phone networks take ages to update it's unavailable!!
Also there are some very nice skinned roms out there

I won't be unlocking my bootloader for a while. Not until I am at least sure that my device is working 100% and that will take a couple of weeks. I was eager to root it etc but I was reading about HTC's warranty and it seems as though it is a very long winded process. Maybe you wish to do the same?

m00moo said:
I won't be unlocking my bootloader for a while. Not until I am at least sure that my device is working 100% and that will take a couple of weeks. I was eager to root it etc but I was reading about HTC's warranty and it seems as though it is a very long winded process. Maybe you wish to do the same?
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yep ill be in no hurry either.
when i finally get a device im happy with yea i will root and flash custom rom, but not CM - Sense 5 is great and IMO is much better than stock JB - there are a few minor things I would like added, but I have no doubt they will be added to custom sense 5 roms in due course.

to me, there is no point in being a flashaholic. flash the latest stable base, and then keep up with custom kernels for battery.
thats me, idk bout u guys

Personally something that will push me over the unlock bootloader line is when either when A) IF the HTC logo can become mapped as a button, or B) A full relock becomes available lol

For me, absolutely. I consider some features (such as long press vol key to skip tracks) essential. There are also always some visual things I like to change no matter how well it is made

I just need root to enable volume key wake, and ill want to remap the keys. Everything else looks flawless
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do you need root etc. to install flash on ONE ?

ChazyChaz said:
do you need root etc. to install flash on ONE ?
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No. To my knowledge, the built in browser has flash support.

What about Wi-Fi hotspot support?
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While there's obviously no NEED, a lot of people will prefer to flash ROMs for a variety of different reasons.
I'd say the main reasons are;
*The ability to have a pure AOSP look which is preferred by a lot of people (especially those who come from a Nexus device). Also, a lot of people don't like the look/feel of Sense and will therefore want to change the UI to something which is more preferable to them.
I, for example, have never tried Sense before and could quite possibly hate it once I finally test it. On the flip side of that, I may love it but at least custom ROMs will give me the ability to completely change the UI whilst giving me a ton more customizations and optimizations than a custom launcher would do.
*As mentioned at the end of the first reason, customization is a huge part of what a lot of people do with their devices. For example, when I had my SGS2 I used to love the ability to flash a simple ROM and have a ton of customization at my fingertips, so I could edit the look of my phone to my hearts content.
*Some people are simply flashaholics and have ORD (Obsessive ROM-flashing/updating Disorder). I'll normally flash every ROM in sight if the device is new and there aren't many ROMs available yet. This way it gives me a good early decision as to what type of ROM I'd prefer on said device. However, once the device starts getting more development and more ROMs start appearing in quick succession, I'll then make my mind up about which ROM to choose and generally won't change ROM for the vast majority of the devices lifetime.
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I unlocked, rooted and flashed now because in a few months time the phone will be setup perfectly; all the right apps, all the right data, all in the right place (and HTC might of discovered a way to do a Sensation on us (S-Off))
With the phone rooted I can be relatively confident of getting it back to my currently backed up state after any major updates (and, when I finally install some games, get their progress restored as well)
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Sense means HTC. I don't see any reason to buy HTC if I'm not gonna use sense.

Because HTC makes great hardware. I buy HTC exclusively, but I rip sense off it ASAP and put AOKP or CM or something without sense. Nexus devices are generally not top of the line hardware, they're supposed to be a benchmark for development (i.e. midrange). That said, N4 has more impressive specs than usual, but I can't imagine buying an LG phone. I have never realized LG even made smartphones, only flip phones until the N4 was released.
Still, HTC makes best hardware, I just generally don't like sense. That said, sense 5 does look interesting.
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Having options is nice!
Dharkan said:
Sense means HTC. I don't see any reason to buy HTC if I'm not gonna use sense.
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To a certain extent, yes, I agree with you on that statement. However, sometimes you just need a change and it is nice to have the option of running AOSP roms as well. I would much rather go back and forth between Sense/AOSP than TouchWiz/AOSP after having my GS3.

No. Roms are for old devices. Lol
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[Q] HTC one m7wls

I purchased the HTC one from a sprint store. It is the M7_wls hboot 1.44.00. I promptly rooted it by unlocking the bootloader with fastboot and installed TWRP and cyanogenmod 10, since I used and loved cyanogenmod7 for 3 years on my EVO before physical damage and processing inferiority finally made me throw in the towel. It was perfect. beautiful. best device and ROM combo I ever saw. The HTC one and cyanogen 10: a match made in heaven. But then, quite unexpectedly, after allowing the phone to die on a job site one day, it would not take a charge. The good news is that sprint will not attempt to open the phone and so no unrooting was necessary to replace it. In fact they did it there in the store since I was within fourteen days of the original purchase date. No removable battery! It was their contention, and I tend to agree, that it simply became unseated within the case, although I hadn't dropped it. fine. new phone. I once again unlocked the bootloader and installed TWRP and cyanogenmod 10. used it for a day (which was quite cold and humid, but I was inside primarily) and the audio stopped working. No music, no in-call audio. While frantically texting customers, I managed to download the nightly cyanogen update and flash it. My in-call audio came back, but ringtones, notifications, music, games and all other possible audio remained null.
I unrooted it by running the RUU in a virtual machine (I use a mac) and, even returned to stock, no sound. In-call audio remained (thank god). I took it in again and after the obligatory sea of clerical errors, sprint ordered me a new one. I really don't want to go through this again. I love the phone, but business is suffering. Is it possible that either of these issues were my fault? I've heard the inside of the M7 is quite convoluted and littered with coaxial cables like older HTCs and I did drop the second one twice. It had a nice case and simply slid out of the angled, inside breast pocket of my coat maybe three feet onto the floor each time. No such occurrence on the first. It makes sense what some are saying that the sound card simply became disconnected inside the case, but now I'm wondering if I'm mussing the root up somehow. My new phone will be here in a few days and I'm simply never going to use Sense 5. I'd rather eat discarded blowpops out of a sandbox. How can I make sure this doesn't happen again? Is it possible that these are both hardware defects and I'm the most unlucky customer ever? I see minimal cases of the latter issue occurring on the stock ROM, but it does happen. Usually it is fixable however. Mine was definitely not. Are these phones as unreliable as they have been for me? They seem to really impress even the picky crowd, so I'm thinking no. Help! Were these really both hardware issues, or did I mess them up?

Longest post I've ever seen. LOL
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I would unlock, root, and S-off your new device as soon as you get it, and try something different. CM10 is pretty outdated as it is, and even if you are hesitant to go to a newer version for fear of having a less stable experience, there are plenty of 10.2 ROMs that should be stable. Not only that, but there are numerous stock-based ROMs that will offer a great user experience with the ability to disable sense or remove it completely. RENOVATE is a great choice for that sort of experience. If you are looking to try something new, my latest build of Beanstalk is 4.4.2, CM based, and offers a lot of custom features not found in most other ROMs here at M7SPR. It does have some small bugs here and there, but nothing that impedes your ability to use it as a daily driver. Not pimping my own build, mind you, just offering options. So, give something new a try and hope for the best is my advice. Oh, and try harder not to drop the damn thing.
Happy Holidays!

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elvisypi said:
Longest post I've ever seen. LOL
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Yeah, sorry for the verbosity. I think I may have a problem 19th century British dramas.

hey thanks!
BMP7777 said:
I would unlock, root, and S-off your new device as soon as you get it, and try something different. CM10 is pretty outdated as it is, and even if you are hesitant to go to a newer version for fear of having a less stable experience, there are plenty of 10.2 ROMs that should be stable. Not only that, but there are numerous stock-based ROMs that will offer a great user experience with the ability to disable sense or remove it completely. RENOVATE is a great choice for that sort of experience. If you are looking to try something new, my latest build of Beanstalk is 4.4.2, CM based, and offers a lot of custom features not found in most other ROMs here at M7SPR. It does have some small bugs here and there, but nothing that impedes your ability to use it as a daily driver. Not pimping my own build, mind you, just offering options. So, give something new a try and hope for the best is my advice. Oh, and try harder not to drop the damn thing.
Happy Holidays!
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Thanks for the advice!:highfive: Out of curiosity, why do you say to get s-off instead of just HTCdev unlock? Also, I find alot of files that I assume are for the m7wls with m7spr in the title. I don't really not follow most of what people have posted about the different modes and titles, but I gather that as long as the ROM says m7 and is a CDMA version I'm good? I'm going to superglue this new one to my hand. not really. I need to be more careful though. never had a nice phone before. I would like one that has kitkat... I never had that phase of, "I hope I don't mess my phone up," with the EVO, but I like the one so much that I find I'm apprehensive about ROMs now. For the sake of calming my paranoia, what do you think the likelihood is that either of those issues had to do with CM10? It feels low to me since I unrooted and the problem persisted on the second one. Do you use your kitkat mod? I kinda do want kitkat and I'm such a fan of CM. admittedly partially because I like the color, but still. I like it. Where can I download?