http://www.challenges.fr/high-tech/...-explique-pourquoi-il-semble-introuvable.html
Now waiting for some dude to come here and tell me this should have been posted on that other dead-ass thread, and report this one to be closed.
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Now waiting for some dude to come here and tell me this should have been posted on that other dead-ass thread, and report this one to be closed.
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Ha.
Oh, and good for LG.
An article in French is not of much help...
and no, I'm not going to use Google Translate. I'd rather throw my phone at a wall.
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Cathy Robin, director of the division of LG Mobile France reported on the case that stirred the internet for over two months, the Nexus 4.
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" Google he sacrificed to promote its Nexus 4 "X Phone"?
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LG has finally agreed to deliver the truth of the matter Nexus 4, the smartphone produced by Korean giant Google and ignites Internet since its launch in November. And for good reason. It is found. ( See the test )
Back to the facts. The smartphone sold on the online store GooglePlay.com November 13 faces a huge demand. Out of stock immediately after a few hours in several countries. And since buyers break their teeth with invariable "exhausted" before the two models (8GB and 16GB) . Since December, SFR offers the famous mobile subscription. Extras, it displays a prohibitive tariff: 629.90 euros against 349 euros on Google Play.
Rumors are also rife on the Internet: production voluntarily limited by LG and Google to create a buzz and volunteer shortage, production stoppage by the Korean giant for a new model of smartphone sales loss by Google ...
For Challenges.fr, Cathy Robin, Director of Mobile Communication LG France is the point.
What happens there with the Nexus 4, a highly competitive but unavailable?
- The Nexus 4 proposes an excellent technical specifications / price. Supply problems are not necessarily completely related to LG. Google has presented forecasts calculated according to their previous sales history of Nexus. But they have been less demand. Current deliveries of LG Google correspond to what had been pre-ordered on Google Play. We continue to deliver regularly. But it is lean. This is why the Nexus 4 is always shown as exhausted and the potential buyers feel they can not buy it. For example, the initial forecasts of Google were 10 times higher for United Kingdom and Germany. We deliver so much more in these countries than France. There was a balance that has been poorly anticipated. But be careful, I do not throw stones at anyone. Google and LG, it's going very well. Today, if we want to increase the frequency of deliveries, it takes about 6 weeks time.
The figure advanced smartphones 375,000 products is it true?
I do not know this number, but in any case it is much lower than the reality.
The Nexus 4 is it sold at a loss, as has been said?
We have no interest in selling at a loss. By cons there was an agreement between Google and LG to sell it at a very attractive price. And it's true that 299 euros for the 8GB and 349 euros for the 16 GB is a super attractive price.
Yet the SFR offers naked ... 629.90 euros
I do not have to answer for them, but I guess the purpose of SFR is to sell products with subscriptions.
Production Nexus 4 will she stop?
LG has denied reports [ rumors indicated that the Korean group plans to stop production ]. The Nexus 4 will not stop. On the contrary, the rate will increase. From mid-February, there will be more pressure on the market.
The Nexus 4 it can overshadow the G Optimus, the new flagship of the brand?
It will not shade the Optimus G which combines the best technology from LG [Qualcomm Snapdragon processor S4 Pro quad-core 1.5 GHz, 4.7-inch 1280x768 screen, 4G LTE, camera 13 MP ...] .. There is certainly a common trunk with the Nexus 4 but the ultimate focus. It will be in stores in March. It has particular function QSLIDE that simultaneously displays two different screens at the same time, function QuickMemo used to write notes and share them immediately. I can call my number while having the note displayed. It also has the live zoom that offers the ability to zoom during video playback ... We want to do anyway Nexus 4 and G major success.
In terms of sales, what are your goals for the Optimus G?
The Optimus G was launched two months ago in Korea, Japan and the United States. We shipped 1 million. The goal is to sell a lot and come tickle the market leaders.
LG has launched a lot of products ( 4X HD , the Vu, the Nexus 4 , G) with the sensation that the group is totally lacking in clarity. What is your strategy?
We went through a difficult period with ups and downs. It was therefore necessary to rebuild the foundation and fundamentals to claim back the top of the market. Must persuade consumers that we come back with quality products. We found the reliability, design and a very good position. It was regain market share in the mid-range for legitimacy. We will now highlight our brand with the L series of the mid-range 3G, 4G Series F and dual carrier with affordable rates. And there will be the G series for iconic products. Emphasis will be placed on top of the market not to mention the mid-range that is worn in France by the arrival of Free. They just reference the L9 is a good sign for us.
And the segment of very large screens?
We launched the view which allowed us to test the appetite for 4:3. It sold very well in Asia where Vu 2 is programmed. But it is a niche market. We will not persist in this format here in Europe. We do not want to disperse.
LG will he propose smartphones operating on Windows Phone 8?
We can all imagine but this is clearly not a priority. We are very pragmatic.
How is LG on the French market?
According to GFK, we had 6% market share in smartphones in late December. If we take only those who operate on Android, we are number 3 [behind Samsung and Sony ].
How do you see 2013?
It will be complicated. Operators to adapt to the offensive Free. There will be a reduction in subsidies. And then there's the arrival of 4G where we want to be a major player. In terms of objectives, should we double our market share, at least. This is ambitious. And if Sony is rather a nice trend, too.
To help condense it, here are some key points from the article:
According to the Director of Mobile Communication at LG France,
-Google based its forecasts on the sales of previous Nexus devices, but demand for the Nexus 4 has been greater than for Google's previous phones.
-LG's current shipments are still fulfilling previous Google Play orders
-Google overestimated demand in some markets and underestimated demand in others, meaning the stock available to ship to some locations was/is unbalanced.
-More devices have been manufactured than the 375,000-400,000 device estimate that popped up xda
-The low price is part of an agreement between Google and LG, but apparently the phone is not being sold at a loss.
No reference to the bumper cases or the wireless orb eh?
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Google needs better estimations: hire me!
"Why do you think people would ever want to spend twice as much on an optimus g"
"Because it's got bloatware that allows you to read a note while making a phone call"
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"Why do you think people would ever want to spend twice as much on an optimus g"
"Because it's got bloatware that allows you to read a note while making a phone call"
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It's actually a pretty nice device. When my sister came into town I was able to use the device for a bit. Overall, I was impressed.
Next question. When will those next devices already manufactured be pushed out? When the RMA's and other shipments processing are done?
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Its the logical explanation, although it doesnt make sense, google new how much the nexus 7 which was quite better than the galaxy nexus, why did they think it would be different with the nexus 4?
christoff_el said:
"Why do you think people would ever want to spend twice as much on an optimus g"
"Because it's got bloatware that allows you to read a note while making a phone call"
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hahhahahahahahaha loved this! :laugh::good:
"We shipped 1 million. The goal is to sell a lot and come tickle the market leaders".
Thats alot and still its got demand.
Way to go Nexus brand.
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"We shipped 1 million. The goal is to sell a lot and come tickle the market leaders".
Thats alot and still its got demand.
Way to go Nexus brand.
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That was a quote about shipments of the Optimus G though.
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That was a quote about shipments of the Optimus G though.
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Ahhh, I read it was talking about the nexus.
Google translate sux. lol
OG isnt a selling out brand. Haha
is it possible to flash Optimus G to stock android? i would go for it if it's possible! :laugh:
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is it possible to flash Optimus G to stock android? i would go for it if it's possible! :laugh:
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There is a hack that converts the AT&T OG to a Nexus 4, but it's a bit too faithful of a conversion. The internal storage is limited to 8GB, no LTE (although it can be enabled in the testing menu), and it use the on-screen buttons instead of the capacitive ones.
Also, don't try to flash custom Nexus 4 ROMs to the converted OG -- it'll brick the phone.
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There is a hack that converts the AT&T OG to a Nexus 4, but it's a bit too faithful of a conversion. The internal storage is limited to 8GB, no LTE (although it can be enabled in the testing menu), and it use the on-screen buttons instead of the capacitive ones.
Also, don't try to flash custom Nexus 4 ROMs to the converted OG -- it'll brick the phone.
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noo i changed my mind. I would rather have fully functional JB on my trusty Gnex :laugh:
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noo i changed my mind. I would rather have fully functional JB on my trusty Gnex :laugh:
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While I'm stuck here with a temporary iPhone 4 because my trust Android broke :'(
COME ON LG!
Little correction !
It is said in the article, that everything should get back to normal by mid-february, so there will be less pressure on the market, not more.
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did i read the translated text correctly ? Did the French lady say that Google over-estimated demand in UK and Germany and that is why France got so few ? Well I don''t know about Germany but I'll be kind here and say that as far as the UK is concerned the lady has got her facts completely wrong; and I can prove it along with many more in the UK, especially those still waiting for deliveries. I was on google store within minutes of this device being announced in the UK and I can tell you there were immediate problems and within 1.5mts it was impossible to order anymore. If, as the lady said, the UK was over-stocked how in the name of bee-jesus did we all have problems within 1.5mts of it being announced and some of us are still having problems. I think this lady is probably talking above her pay grade. Anyone who's worked in the corporate world would know that a country director is not necessarily that high up in the food chain.
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...that there will most likely never ever be an official superphone Nexus 2?
With the online store a relative failure, we will probably have to buy new phones from our carriers (or from the manufacturers God willing) and yea...kinda sucks.
I wish Google REALLY tried to change the game and A) made sure HTC used the absolute BEST materials and hardware for the N1, B) priced it at like 300 without contract and 100 on contract and C) MARKETED THE HELL OUT OF IT
oh well... :-/
I see the Nexus one as a Massive success, personally. Check out all of the newer android phones on the market since it was released.
Compare to the HTC Hero, Samsung Moment, or Moto Droid.
Would definitely be a bummed. I was only going to buy nexus successors, with all the damn new choices all the damn time that would've given some order to my life. Plus its the only reason I renewed with t-mobile. Ill hold out hope at least until January 5th...
Nexus 2
Man that sucks, It would mean that the Nexus 1 is my last Android phone! (I'm waiting on the Nexus 2)
The Nexus One may not have been the insanely high volume sales success of other devices out there. But that doesn't mean it was a failure. In fact, IIRC, Google has come out and said that based on the sales figure, it has technically been a success for them. Whether or not there will be a "Nexus Two" is purely speculation at this point. There's only one way to find out (wait).
And either way, I doubt there will be any disappointment either way. If there is a Nexus Two, then everyone here can go WOOHOO! And if there isn't a Nexus Two, I'm sure something will come out around its ETA that is equally as stunning to those waiting for it.
regardless if there is or isnt going to be a Nexus 2 the Nexus 1 is an amazing phone and has begun aging gracefully. I can say that any Android phone i get in the future i will judge it on how awesome it is/isnt in comparison to my Nexus 1
Did you know that the 2 most discussed device specific sub forums here are the the HD2 and the Nexus sub forums?
What does that tell you?
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Did you know that the 2 most discussed device specific sub forums here are the the HD2 and the Nexus sub forums?
What does that tell you?
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That we're a bunch of social butterflies and those "other people" are the silent types.
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regardless if there is or isnt going to be a Nexus 2 the Nexus 1 is an amazing phone and has begun aging gracefully. I can say that any Android phone i get in the future i will judge it on how awesome it is/isnt in comparison to my Nexus 1
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+1. And, it's nice knowing that updates will continue to come straight from Google while others will be at the mercy of the carriers. I rarely keep a phone for more than 6 months or so, but I can't see giving up my N1 anytime soon.
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+1. And, it's nice knowing that updates will continue to come straight from Google while others will be at the mercy of the carriers. I rarely keep a phone for more than 6 months or so, but I can't see giving up my N1 anytime soon.
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I see all these "new" phones coming out with 1Ghz processors and AMOLED screens and such and i always go "been there done that". Phones IMHO are just now catching up to the Nexus.
So unless there is something "new" that my nexus doesn't have then i wont be getting a new phone any time soon. And by something new i dont mean a bigger screen because i should be able to put a phone in my pocket without feeling like its gonna break in half, or it makes it uncomfortable to sit down. *cough cough EVO and Droid*
Erm, I thought you could still buy the nexus one sim free from shops, or at least expansys.
I think we'll be spoilt for choice even if there isn't a "nexus two" because HTC are obviously comitted to android phones and aside from various other brands Samsung seem to have come out with a really nice phone in the Galaxy S.
the main reason I got the N1 was because it's uncluttered from carrier overlays, it's 'pure' android (i switched from an iPhone 3G) - and I prefer being contract free.
I hope there is a N2, although I do like the looks of the Droid X (I'm in Europe though). there's plenty of life left in my N1 ...
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I'm not upset in the slightest.
Yes there are other phones out there with similar/better specs...but from the a developers stand point, its there favorite toy at the moment.
I'm glad that the Nexus One came because it set a new standard beyond the 528 MHz Qualcomms that Android devices were stuck on, and even now has barely been eclipsed in terms of speed or features. There are no phones out right now that I would consider a true upgrade from the N1, more of a side-grade.
I agree we will never see a Nexus Two, and yes, it does make me sad.
I HATE carrier provided phones
They're always laden with ****ware.
There will always be an ADP (Android developer phone) It just may not be called Nexus.
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There will always be an ADP (Android developer phone) It just may not be called Nexus.
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But none of the developer phones have supported the AT&T or Rogers 3G bands. I'm afraid that no Nexus 2 means no more AT&T support on developer phones.
Dammit.
where is there a competitive smarthphone today that is $300 unsubsidized period?
Given the business and licensing model of Android, there will always have to be some kind of benchmark. Something that defines the minimum spec needed to run new OS versions. What features are needed, what hardware is required, what level of overhead can developers use for their apps. This wasn't as important when there was only 4 models around, 3 of which were from the same manufacturer.
This benchmark doesn't need to be made available to consumers, see the Android Dev phones released prior to the N1. It does need to exist. However, Google also seems interested in pushing the exterior to look as polished as the guts, so if you're going through the expense of creating hardware, software and a casing, why not sell it?
Besides with the N1 just now becoming available in B&M stores worldwide (Vodafone aside), it's consumer success/failure is just now being decided.
the two main reasons i love the nexus are that it has cutting edge hardware, and i was (still am) hoping a new one would come each year, like the iphone. It would be nice to be able to depend on a yearly upgrade, then i could sit back and enjoy the insanity around me that is the ever evolving, ultra competitive, Android industry...i love it, i just cant keep up with it, i need some sort of order and stability in my life!
Maybe someone already posted this.. but oh well
I've had my GSM Galaxy Nexus since Feb.. and not once has anyone even notice it or asked what kind of phone that is..
Along with that half the people you meet always have something negative to about Android.. rather its not being as smooth as Apple products.. or its just too big..
But Google releases a tablet.. with no kind of public press (and by public i meant TV ads etc at least i haven't seen any) or any kind of notice before hand besides on blogs that i figure only people like me care about (Android Central, The verge etc)
and the thing flys off shelves as soon as they are in stock.. as if it was a Apple product .. and Google is so backed up with orders they didn't even expect this..
What makes the Nexus 7 such a high demand.. we had AOSP tablets before like the XOOM, and Samsung makes some pretty good tablets.. But no one is rushing to buy them, At least from what i remember.. i walked into my Best Buy to buy a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and they had about 30 in stock on launch day. and the Galaxy Tab 2 7" just came out
Is it just the price point? Jelly Bean? (Even tho 9/10 people don't care what OS their on)
It's a few things for me. The price point being the most obvious but the spec at that price is a winner. Backed by the fact that it's a Nexus device so you're gonna get updates also helps.
I think it's the price.
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Price point
High specs
High build quality
Jelly bean
Asus were the only company making the high standard of android tablets, so it made sense for Google to choose them & it looks like they were correct in doing so
I constantly play with my tablet, thinking I would have paid a whole lot more for it.
The only downside for me on this tablet was the 16gb storage, it would have been nice to have 32gb (even if they charged a bit more)
But once you change your habits of not installing everything you own, 16gb is very manageable for me.
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Because this is the first OFIICIAL TRUE AOSP based Google tablet. Xoom was more of unofficial but xoom was way overpriced and had alot of thing going against it from the very beginning. I would think these tablets flying off the shelves because its such a great deal and performs great. One of the best tablets out right now, if not the best period. You get all this power for budget price. If I were you, I'd be trying to get one asap
It's definitely the price point. Flagship android device for that price, I'll take it.
Once I find a job that is.
Congrats to Google though, it's about time an Android tablet starts flying off the shelves.
High end feel and performance for a low-end price.
Jellybean IS buttery smooth, and the Nexus7 feels REALLY fast to use, the screen is georgous, the tablet has a great feel. And it's currently got a bargain price.
I say currently, Clearly by Google pricing it at break-even pricing, other Android tablet vendors don't really stand a chance of competing. So I expect that now Google have shown what can be done with Android tablets, they won't be in too much of a rush to replenish stocks and sell them at the same price. They will have pressure from other Android tablet sellers to give them a break.
In short, expect limited supply and/or price rises for future shipments. You can be sure the $25 play credit will evaporate soon too.
Also with the N7 flying off the shelves it also put pressure on Apple to bring a 7" tablet to the market & the likes of Samsung & others to up their game to offers better specs 7" tablets for around the same price £200.
I gotta agree, it's an amazing tablet, but how the hell does Joe Public know about it?! There's not even a real commercial for it, just a bunch of boring programmers talking about what they have done with it. The only places I've seen it advertised are online ads, but I'm guessing I'm only seeing them everywhere because I've been searching for information about the tablet non-stop.
Either way, I'm glad it's had this popularity. I feel other manufacturers haven't got Tablets "right" yet, and I'm a HUGE fan of Samsung, I try and buy their new tech whenever possible (I have a Samsung: washing machine, TV, monitor, galaxy s2 and laptop) but I couldn't bring myself to purchase their tablet, despite me wanting a tablet for quite some while).
Google needs to take a chunk out of Apple. With Google being almost the opposite of Apple (open source, etc) then I'm glad to see this. Now when my douchbag friends whip out their iPad, I whip out something even better.
Don't want to be negative, but has anyone seen actual sales figures?
I know they are selling out, but how many were available?
Speaking to physical retailers here in the UK, it looks like each store only received a handful (my local PC World got 5).
I would love to see massive success for this tablet, but at this point it doesn't seem clear whether this is high sales levels or just stock shortages.
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Don't want to be negative, but has anyone seen actual sales figures?
I know they are selling out, but how many were available?
Speaking to physical retailers here in the UK, it looks like each store only received a handful (my local PC World got 5).
I would love to see massive success for this tablet, but at this point it doesn't seem clear whether this is high sales levels or just stock shortages.
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Right - how do we determine high demand if we don't have any idea of how many were available?
Retailers get them in batches, depending on how many they think they can sell so some will have more than others. I seriously doubt a shop like pcworld would only get 5 per store.
The reason they sold so well is because people (not sheep) bought them based on the reputation of the companies selling them and because they were sold at a fair price for what you are getting. The reason some companies spend a fortune on advertising when releasing a facelift of an outdated product, is because they need to convince their sheep that they need to waste another $400.
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It has to be price. A base model iPod touch costs the same, and you get a quality tablet with superb hardware here.
Definitely top notch hardware for budget price.
Jelly bean is smoother than iOS and wp7 believe it or not
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It is selling so well because of one simple thing,
Mass Market Price Point!
Every electronics firm that doesn't rely on image to sell units aims for this holy grail! This is why Sony and Microsoft re-engineer there devices to reduce costs and RR P's because high quality and keen price king!
The fact that the Nexus 7 offers a quality service at an attractive price point is why it is doing so well!
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Jelly bean is smoother than iOS and wp7 believe it or not
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Yep, its great.
Apple used to have the argument of 'we know iOS is boring, can't be customised and is limited in features compared to android, but at least iOS is fast and smooth'
However, JB now makes android fast and smooth, more so than iOS. (Shocked!?)
So, I wonder what excuse is used now
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So, I wonder what excuse is used now
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Isn't it obvious? Last year, Apple told the world about Android fragmentation, and the braindead sheep then repeated this across the internet as if it were fact.
Now Apple has even worse fragmentation problems, that's not talked about anymore, they have now told the world to talk about Android update timescales... And the sheep are telling anyone that wants to listen, how nobody has ICS and so forth...
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Yep, its great.
Apple used to have the argument of 'we know iOS is boring, can't be customised and is limited in features compared to android, but at least iOS is fast and smooth'
However, JB now makes android fast and smooth, more so than iOS. (Shocked!?)
So, I wonder what excuse is used now
No excuse l left so
Now they will sue google/asus for making a smooth operating system
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have you picked up a Xoom and then an N7? One feels like the added lead to it... and it is not the N7...
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Google may be readying a revamped model of the middle sibling in its Nexus line of Android devices for as early as the first quarter of 2013, if the supply-chain snoops at Taiwanese tech news site DigiTimes are correct.
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Well what do we think?
Not thinking much of anything to be honest.. good for them? I'll remain happy with my 1st gen 16Gb mobel.
A cheaper version is always welcome.
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I could see the Nexus tablet line having the following:
A cheap ($99 seems low, but okay) 7". A higher quality 7" ($200-$250?). High quality 10".
While I have little money for toys, and I like paying low prices as much as anyone, I don't necessarily want a Nexus device that's had every cost corner cut. Especially things like storage and ram, which the current Nexus 7 seems to have slow parts.
Perhaps Google is trying to entice the masses further by lowering the price of a decent device, but I hope they realize that you can't make money off being the cheapest on the market. You might sell more, but your margins are smaller and your support costs are way higher because of cut corners and the sheer amount of people owning one.
I just see a lot of people being disappointed with this new device as you know they will compare it with the first Gen n7. Sometimes cheaper isn't always better.
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I can see why they would want to offer a cheaper N7-type device, but my biggest concern is supply chain issues. The current Nexus 7 is the only device that hasn't had any severe supply issues from the play store in the past few months.... but that's probably mostly because it's already been out for 6 months.
I'm happy enough for my current N7
We have more than enough cheap low-end tablets on the market nowadays..
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I think our N7 is good enough. I don't think I want to replace it.
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They better not! I just bought this thing!
With cortex a8 and adreno 200...
They probably saved money on production by leaving off the bluetooth hardware, since it doesn't work with their software anyways.
gianptune said:
They probably saved money on production by leaving off the bluetooth hardware, since it doesn't work with their software anyways.
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Lol I could`nt agree more
Tapped out from my sexy nexus 7
Adinaky said:
I think our N7 is good enough. I don't think I want to replace it ...
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That's one way to gain market share, N7 were practically sold out everywhere in town over the holidays - DH got herself an iPad2 X'mas 2011 and the iOS people are releasing #5 in March or Spring of 2013 ...
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They better not! I just bought this thing!
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One would be paying more for a used/pre-owned N7 in excellent condition than buying the newest model, cheaper & slimmer. Hmmm :highfive: :fingers-crossed:
Maybe I should return mine to Staple as there is NO restocking fee & no questions asked - and wait for the newer one, 4.1.2 is such a mess in stock form anyway, LOL.
This reminds me of Samsung. They just made a half ass 4in budget phone to sell (S3 Mini). Their intent was to provide a phone for individuals who do not need a power house. The problem is the individuals who review phones like power houses. In many reviews Samsung was ridiculed for making the phone (even though it was meeting their intent). Hopefully Google is not treated the same way.
I can see the headline now, "iPad Mini ($349) dominates against new Google Nexus 7 ($99) .... Google stands no chance".
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This reminds me of Samsung. They just made a half ass 4in budget phone to sell (S3 Mini). Their intent was to provide a phone for individuals who do not need a power house. The problem is the individuals who review phones like power houses. In many reviews Samsung was ridiculed for making the phone (even though it was meeting their intent). Hopefully Google is not treated the same way.
I can see the headline now, "iPad Mini ($349) dominates against new Google Nexus 7 ($99) .... Google stands no chance".
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You're so right, I really like these Nexus phones (4 especially) and Galaxy S3, but the screen size puts me off - it's to big. Gimme a nice 4,2 inch with a decent resolution and I'm sold, but yes, such phones get lost in reviews because they don't stand a chance competing with 6" super triple HD 3D Gorilla Retina screen, 16core CPU and more RAM than my PC has.
I already have a decent tablet (N7), all I want is a decent dual, maybe cheap quad core, ~4" Nexus phone (once I got N7 I realized what android is really supposed to look like, because CM is not stable enough for me to run on my Xperia, so I kept it stock).
Of course Nexus line is only top notch, playing in the big league of S4 and iPhone6, so yes if they released a normal 4" nexus phone, headlines would say "where's your god now Android fans, always you have been bashing iPhones 'small' screen, now you're buying one yourself".
Nexus 7 is cheap enough as it is, we don't need another 800*480 7" tablet, that you can get in the Pharmacy (seriously, I saw some cheap tPads in local pharmacy), make a cheap Nexus phone!
Any news about it?
I'm on a low budget (about $150) and was hoping to get that cheap nexus 7 if it's released
It would be certainly better than those nasty china tablets..
99$?!
Cortex a8 + 512ram?
all i got from that site information is...... "made cheaper . thinner"............mmmmm wow
no more nexus phones in 2015??
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57617858-251/google-could-swap-nexus-line-with-google-play-by-2015/
https://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin/status/427697036008251393
http://bgr.com/2014/01/27/google-nexus-discontinued-rumor/
please tell me its just a hoax and not true becouse googleplay editions are expensive almost as buying the oem bloatwared one.
GE program didn't even exist a 18 months ago, I'm sure it'd still an evolving question.
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1st. I don't trust any "he said, he said."
2nd. Its Twitter. No reliable info comes from Twitter besides evleaks and even he's been wrong a lot of times.
3rd. If this were true all Android sites would have info on this. I'd have post by The Verge flooding my FB/Twitter timeline.
Rumors will be rumors.
The whole point of Nexus devices is to provide affordable high end devices with stock android to the public.
Why would i pay 600$+ for a phone with no contract? Might as well get tied to a carrier and pay 200$ for the phone, root it, and install GPE ROMs
It would be beyond stupid if Google discontinued the Nexus line and just provide GPE phones.
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Sales are good on Nexus line up...
Here in India, still there is a demand for Nexus 5...
Google aint that dum to drop it just like that
Well then if you buy phone with contract to cut the price you get, sim locked, branded phone without possibility to unlock boot loader,(no custom kernels, no aosp based roms..)it happened to me with xperia S, i was able only to root it and flash roms based on sony stock firmware & kernel.
Lets hope it wont happen
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Google is selling Motorola to Lenovo. Now more than ever they need Nexus devices. They are now the only mobile OS manufacturer that does not also make their own hardware.
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dragon_76 said:
Google is selling Motorola to Lenovo. Now more than ever they need Nexus devices. They are now the only mobile OS manufacturer that does not also make their own hardware.
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They don't really "need" it at all though. Profits are sky high, and it isn't because of the Nexus line. It's because they have five different manufacturers making their smart phones for them, and that still includes Motorolovo. Best of all, the (by far) biggest player in the Android field, Samsung, is their best friend. If they do continue the Nexus deal, it'll probably be some Samsung variant, which would be a benefit to then even more.
But they've got Google Edition phones now anyway that make higher profit margins anyway. So there's really no point other than to please the million or so (out of billions of smartphone users) fans of pure Android.
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monkor said:
They don't really "need" it at all though. Profits are sky high, and it isn't because of the Nexus line. It's because they have five different manufacturers making their smart phones for them, and that still includes Motorolovo. Best of all, the (by far) biggest player in the Android field, Samsung, is their best friend. If they do continue the Nexus deal, it'll probably be some Samsung variant, which would be a benefit to then even more.
But they've got Google Edition phones now anyway that make higher profit margins anyway. So there's really no point other than to please the million or so (out of billions of smartphone users) fans of pure Android.
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So you think Samsung has been working on Tizen because of how much they love Google? Samsung has kind of already stated that they're not happy with Google basically dictating the direction of Android. If Samsung stopped making Android phones tomorrow, it would be a loss, but wouldn't kill them. It would kill Android. Samsung has a staggering 63% of the Android market. Do you think all those Galaxy owners would care if Tizen was on the Galaxy S 5? Would they even know?
Lenovo ALREADY makes Android phones. I really don't know why they wanted to buy Motorola when Google kept the patents. Something about the US market, which doesn't make sense again because Lenovo is extremely well-regarded here. Possibly they bought them for the contracts they have.
http://www.zdnet.com/googles-motorola-mobility-detour-running-the-numbers-7000025784/
Google Play Edition phones have been a big bust. Consumers have not responded to them specifically because they cannot be purchased subsidised. The promise of quick updates was also a laugh. KitKat for Nexus 4 (!) came out in November, and HTC One is JUST NOW getting it. They also DO NOT make a higher profit margin, you don't understand how subsidies work if you think that.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57592282-94/are-the-google-play-edition-smartphones-worth-it/
The point of Google needing Nexus devices is for developers. This was the whole purpose of the Nexus line. I know people like you probably see Nexus as a consumer device for pure Google, but that's simply not true. Nexus devices are essential to bypass carriers and phone manufacturers who drag their feet on updates because they don't care about older phones, just getting you to buy a new one. Nexus devices are so developers can code for and test against Android releases. Do you REALLY think Google can release Android and wait until Samsung decides to make a product with it? Have you seen how long it takes phone manufacturers to release updates? There are still phones out there on Ice Cream Sandwich waiting for promised Jellybean updates when KitKat is here!
BTW, Google makes NO MONEY on Android. Android had no licencing fee. Doesn't matter if there is 2 phone makers or 200. They only make money on Google Play, which relies on developers being able to code for Android.
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If Samsung stopped making Android phones tomorrow, it would be a loss, but wouldn't kill them. It would kill Android. Samsung has a staggering 63% of the Android market.
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Definitely not. Maybe a few years ago that would have been true, but people are already used to android and won't leave it just because one of the many android phone producers stopped making them.
That post was wrong all over, but i'll try to work with it.
Given the deal Google just hashed out with Samsung, wherein they'll be sharing all their patents for the next ten years, I'd say that partnership is going nowhere. And i'd say right now their relationship is fantastic. This isn't conjecture, either. Google and Samsung weren't happy with one another until very recently, as you say. Google bought Motorola which created a conflict of interest for other OEMs like Samsung, and Samsung was essentially threatening to fork Android or roll with Tizen.
Neither was going to follow through with those threats, though. It was a stand off, because both companies mobile divisions would be ****ed otherwise. Mutually assured destruction. Yes, people would notice when they had no Google Play store and had hack job apps from whatever store Samsung rolled out which didnt have anywhere near the requisite apps to compete. That's why Samsung is bailing on the magazine UI it recently unveiled too, and why they're going to slow down work on Tizen. There's a general assumption that Google sold Motorola because that patent partnership with Samsung also had an unwritten agreement to do just that.
Lenovo? The deal makes sense for them if it works. They penetrate the US mobile market as a Chinese company, which has been extremely difficult. Some people know about Lenovo, but it isn't a household name. Motorola is. Brand recognition and a company they can scale up was all they wanted. They got it, and that's that.
A developers phone? Dude, this isn't 2009, the Nexus line isn't just intended for developers anymore. Head onto Google's own website and check out their ad pitches for the phone. "Takes great pics! Share with friends easily! Google Now experience and Maps!" That's not pitching to developers, at all. Devs will get whatever phones they want, perhaps even iPhones, because you don't need a Nexus to dev. At all. They're hardly related.
To my knowledge, the Google Play editions of phones aren't subsidized. They are, however, much more expensive than a Nexus 4 or 5. An S4 might cost about the same to build as a Nexus 5, but it's selling for considerably more. 340 vs 600 iirc.
I would assume that updates would show up with the same pace as ever on Android. That is to say, late or never. Only us nerds suffer, most people don't even notice.
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They make a TON of money off of Android.
They don't do it for charity or just to make other people money.
Android to them is all about getting people to use their services and in many markets just to get people online. So they can use Google services / generate ad revenue....
Nexus still is a developer phone in first place. Yes, google has changed their selling strategy but still it's mainly intresting for developers.
And no, it's not right that devs can develope on every phone. Look onto the comments in play store on many apps these days.
Many of them complain about problems with 4.4.x because these developer have no Nexus phone and their phone don't have a 4.4 update.
With a nexus phone, devs can develope for a wider range of android versions and check for problems with particular versions then with any other phone.
For instant:
a developer with a Nexus 4 can test his application against 4.2,4.3 and 4.4 because all these versions exists for the Nexus 4. Can you do this with an Samsung S4 ? Simple answer: No (I only talk about factory images, so stock roms, not custom roms). And a dev can get 2 Nexus phones for the price of one S4 btw. so he can get for instant the Samsung Galaxy for ICS and the JellyBean till 4.2 and the Nexus 4 for 4.2 to 4.4 for the same money.... you see what I mean ?
And developing for the Android marked on an iPhone ? iOS and Android don't have even the same codebase, You can't develope for Android on an iOS System or the other way around. That's why most small devs only have their App on iOS or Android but not on both because they would need both types of phones/Tablets and have to develope their app in two complete diffent systems...
So in the end, the Nexus line helps Google to make a big bunch of money not by the phone but on helping the App-Devs to develope for their Market. if they would end this Line, they would kill some developement on the App section and theirfore cut some of their moneymaking in that area.
And regarding "consumer phone", I think, they make the Nexus Line more consumer oriented to cut some of their developement costs down. Because to bring a new Nexus phone onto the marked costs them a not so small dollar for developement etc. So they make it more wider for the consumer to sell more devices and theirfore minimize the loss in that department.
Perhaps I should have phrased my comments about a dev being able to get any phone differently. I was referring to a developer getting any phone for his leisure phone because while it is definitely nice to have a Nexus, it isn't necessary. Developers run through a plethora of phones when making an app or ROM, that's life. Will the Nexus allow them to reach a large audience? Yep, but it still isn't 100% necessary. Not every Android dev needs a Nexus, and not even remotely close to every Nexus owner is a developer.
The phones have traditionally been considered developer phones, but that changed entirely with the Nexus 4, and I think Google said as much. They're just not targeting developers alone, which was the main point I was making. This phone is used predominantly by the average consumer. Let's assume they sell 2 million of these things, though the number is definitely higher. If they've sold that many, and let's say EVERY android developer owns a Nexus (they don't), it still wouldn't equate to a quarter of their sales
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Here's an interesting article I just came across on the Verge about a few sources saying the Google will retire the Nexus Line and reboot it with Android Silver handsets that will be sold in stores and highly marketed, but with presumably higher specs.
http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/29/5664702/google-nexus-to-be-replaced-by-android-silver
International Buinsess Article
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/5504...-release-date-specs-features.htm#.U2LtifldV8E
"The rumoured "Android Silver" line will replace the Nexus program. The line included more high-end and more expensive devices. It was claimed that Google wants to focus on giving consumers devices that are bumped in the hardware side while enjoying pure Android experience." (International Business)
What do you think? I would be willing to go for a all around premium "Nexus" phone as long as the cost wasn't too much and it worked on all major carriers.
simms22 said:
i call bs.
as every year there is another rumor that there wont be another nexus, yet every year comes a nexus.
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I'm hoping that this is not true, if it is, we should start an online petition to keep the Nexus brand going.. I hate bloatware, carrier logos and all of the other nonsense that comes on phones from the carriers. My last few phones have been Nexus devices, and everytime i buy a carrier branded phone, i just end up selling it or returning it. Once you go nexus you cant go back..
Just my .02 cents.
I just posted two similar links here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52289003
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I think that is only one more rumor surrounding Nexus brand
Google can call the program whatever they want to call it. As long as they offer a device with vanilla Android, without carrier and manufacturer bloatware, with at least mid-range specs at a reasonable price I'm happy.
Rumors only...lock it before it spreads! eeek
Guys we have the last nexus Google can't keep making this phone it hurts its partners and now with the one plus one there is no point. I prefer a premium device instead of the cuts made to nexus like battery and camera
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Some of you guys are still in the negation phase
i mean, i love the nexus line too, but there are many indications that Android Silver is going to become a reality soon, some of the leakers of this news are credible sources and probably with direct connections in Google itself (well at least more credible than random people on a forum stating the opposite with no clues whatsoever) . You do the maths.
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Guys we have the last nexus Google can't keep making this phone it hurts its partners and now with the one plus one there is no point.
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I hope you are joking. The OnePlus is not even on Google's radar. I would assume the Android Silver program is true based on who is reporting it. At the end of the day, Google isn't going to stop offering an affordable Android phone with vanilla Android. It seems the silver program is just extending the GPE program to carriers. Surely, they aren't killing off the Play Store so there are no worries. Whether or not they call their phones "Nexus" phones doesn't matter to me because one will still be available from the Play Store.
Cautiously optimistic about this. Could be interesting.
I hope they keep the competitive pricing...
I feel the android manufacturers and carriers are never going to want a reasonably priced google phone that is heavily marketed next to their pricy flagships. Something about it doesn't add up. If they are GPe priced i'm sure the carriers and manufacturers wouldn't mind but then marketing that is much harder and they wouldn't sell many. I just can't picture them being welcome in retail next to the other phones.
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idk, Android Silver concept first came in light few months back, and that time it was in the rumor stage, but now verge is reporting it and verge isn't one to bull**** users. Verge also has close contacts with Google, and it's sources can be trusted. Though I hope this DOESN'T happen. Also, next nexus will come this year, the android silver concept is staged for 2015.
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Verge after the Galaxy Nexus era is as much bullsh*t as the rest. Their review for the Nexus 5 is a joke for an example.
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Here's some more information about the possible Android Silver.
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/5504...-release-date-specs-features.htm#.U2LtifldV8E
"The rumoured "Android Silver" line will replace the Nexus program. The line included more high-end and more expensive devices. It was claimed that Google wants to focus on giving consumers devices that are bumped in the hardware side while enjoying pure Android experience." (International Business)
That's an even ****tier source than The Verge!
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IBtimes should be banned from posting anything about technology until they can do some fact checking. It's nothing but a clickbait site with a bunch of repeated in(or mis)formation.
This Android Silver idea sounds like it really could be a benefit if Google truly does put serious effort into it. I just think android has gotten to a point now that serious changes like this need to be considered in order to help potentially solve the issues many developers have (by having just a few "focus" devices every year". I own an iPad as well as N5 and I must say that the quality of most apps for the iPad are consistently phenomenal; I unfortunately can't say that in my experience with android (though the situation has majorly improved I'd say in the past year or so)
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IBtimes should be banned from posting anything about technology until they can do some fact checking. It's nothing but a clickbait site with a bunch of repeated in(or mis)formation.
This Android Silver idea sounds like it really could be a benefit if Google truly does put serious effort into it. I just think android has gotten to a point now that serious changes like this need to be considered in order to help potentially solve the issues many developers have (by having just a few "focus" devices every year". I own an iPad as well as N5 and I must say that the quality of most apps for the iPad are consistently phenomenal; I unfortunately can't say that in my experience with android (though the situation has majorly improved I'd say in the past year or so)
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Agreed
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It's not often you see a non-geek for example carrying a Nexus 5. Those people would rather go for huge flagships that show up on TV. Google wants a piece of the pie now and so they're probably going the same route as Samsung while keeping Android as vanilla as possible. Besides if the Project Hera theme is to be true, the home button now says Google. Google is slowly but surely inserting their brand name into everything to directly compete with Apple and Samsung devices and services.
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Still think that this whole android silver thing is going to be similar to Google Play Edtion ( GPE ) phones.
There will be Xperia Z3 silver edition, HTC one M9 silver edition , Samsung Galaxy S6 Silver edition. All running vanilla android.
Just my 2 cents.
To me the issue is what you can and can't do in these supposed silver editions. Will they all have the freedom to flash this that and the other thing, downgrade boot loaders at will....etc etc.
The current developer edition phones of other makers still usually don't come with the freedom of a nexus. Not totally.
Again, my example is the moto x. All moto x's, including the developer edition, can't downgrade their os after flashing 4.4.2. The boot loader won't allow it. And those that find a way to downgrade, and make one false move....brick their phones. So that phone is not even close to the flexibility of a nexus.
That's my worry.
I think that Google won't do this
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