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Well right now my Samsung Captivate is my phone. I hate it to death. I find Android way too buggy. I don't like Apples hardware (small screen, so boxy) and the iOS looks too busy to me. Blackberry doesn't have enough apps and Palm (I'm sorry, HP), well, lets just leave them out of this.
So that leaves Windows Phone. I've been researching it for awhile, and being a graphic designer, I really love how the os looks and how it functions. I am on AT&T, and have heard good things about the HD7. The HD7S for AT&T brings the better screen, and I've also heard the camera is improved (although still 5MP.)
However....I've heard lots of horror stories about battery life. I'm not sure if NoDo improved it at all, that would also be nice to find out. Googling it has been inconclusive. The HD7S comes with the same 1230mAh battery, so I'm wondering if anyone has any experience specially with the HD7 and this (or a similar) 1700mAh battery? Any help, thoughts, comments will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!
edit: Apparently since I'm new I can't post links. But anyways, just type in "1700mah battery hd7" on ebay, and it should come up, from Great Britain.
My suggestion would be to purchase it, and test it for a days against the original, and then post your results back here.
Although it will fit without the need for a back cover, I highly doubt it has a charge life of 1700mAh! But im willing to be proved wrong if you want to buy and test for the community...
He doesn't own the phone yet though he says he's thinking of getting it. Adam you're right to be a bit concerned about the 1230 battery. If you use the phone heavily it will struggle to last the day. But if you check Amazon the reviews day the 1500 batteries are in fact worse coz they're not as good quality as OEM HTC. I'd recommend yo leave the hd7 and look at the Samsung omnia 7 I wish id done this
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My suggestion would be to purchase it, and test it for a days against the original, and then post your results back here.
Although it will fit without the need for a back cover, I highly doubt it has a charge life of 1700mAh! But im willing to be proved wrong if you want to buy and test for the community...
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Yea, probably a good idea. I've heard some people are fine with the battery life.
He doesn't own the phone yet though he says he's thinking of getting it. Adam you're right to be a bit concerned about the 1230 battery. If you use the phone heavily it will struggle to last the day. But if you check Amazon the reviews day the 1500 batteries are in fact worse coz they're not as good quality as OEM HTC. I'd recommend you leave the hd7 and look at the Samsung omnia 7 I wish id done this
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Hmm. That phone does look great. And for an unlocked price it's quite affordable. I also like that it has a super AMOLED screen. That's what my captivate has, and it's the best screen I've ever seen on a mobile device (besides the iPhone 4.) The blacks just blend into the bezel, the colors are vibrant, and the viewing angles are fantastic. Will this phone fully work with AT&T 3G? (7.2MBP). If it does, I think it just replaced the HD7 for Windows Phone candidate.
Also, I'm not going to lie, I'm slightly starting to have second thoughts. Although I love everything about the Windows Phone OS, I'm still slightly worried about the extreme lack of apps on the marketplace. What do you guys think? Are there apps for most things, or do you feel like theres a lot missing still? And is there any indication as to a developer pick-up on for Windows Phone?
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Also, I'm not going to lie, I'm slightly starting to have second thoughts. Although I love everything about the Windows Phone OS, I'm still slightly worried about the extreme lack of apps on the marketplace. What do you guys think? Are there apps for most things, or do you feel like theres a lot missing still? And is there any indication as to a developer pick-up on for Windows Phone?
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Completely understand that. When I got my HD7 I was amazed by the OS, and the UI, but after a couple of months it does wear off and then you care more about the apps which are lacking. Some blow the iPhone/Android versions away like IMDB and Facebook. But then there's no Amazon app in the UK yet and the eBay app is a bit iffy. Games are another problem, there's the odd good indie gaming coming through like NinjaBoy and Mars Runner, but not many others. Rest of the games are Microsoft's xbox-branded titles but they are usually very overpriced.
The reason I'd recommend the Samsung is the great screen like you say, and the touch screen will hopefully be better than the HD7 which isn't perfect.
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Yea, probably a good idea. I've heard some people are fine with the battery life.
Hmm. That phone does look great. And for an unlocked price it's quite affordable. I also like that it has a super AMOLED screen. That's what my captivate has, and it's the best screen I've ever seen on a mobile device (besides the iPhone 4.) The blacks just blend into the bezel, the colors are vibrant, and the viewing angles are fantastic. Will this phone fully work with AT&T 3G? (7.2MBP). If it does, I think it just replaced the HD7 for Windows Phone candidate.
Also, I'm not going to lie, I'm slightly starting to have second thoughts. Although I love everything about the Windows Phone OS, I'm still slightly worried about the extreme lack of apps on the marketplace. What do you guys think? Are there apps for most things, or do you feel like theres a lot missing still? And is there any indication as to a developer pick-up on for Windows Phone?
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The HD7S doesnt have a SAMOLED screen... it just has a superlcd screen... lot different.
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Completely understand that. When I got my HD7 I was amazed by the OS, and the UI, but after a couple of months it does wear off and then you care more about the apps which are lacking. Some blow the iPhone/Android versions away like IMDB and Facebook. But then there's no Amazon app in the UK yet and the eBay app is a bit iffy. Games are another problem, there's the odd good indie gaming coming through like NinjaBoy and Mars Runner, but not many others. Rest of the games are Microsoft's xbox-branded titles but they are usually very overpriced.
The reason I'd recommend the Samsung is the great screen like you say, and the touch screen will hopefully be better than the HD7 which isn't perfect.
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Well, I was playing with the HD7 today in the Microsoft Store, and I do really like the phone. Plus when I just read an article by Computer World saying:
Android will dominate global smartphone operating system sales over the next four years, while Windows Phone-based Nokia devices will displace other platforms to surge to second place in 2015, Gartner said in a forecast issued Thursday.
The latest Gartner forecast also shows the Apple's iPhone OS will drop to third behind the Windows Phone software in 2015, while Research in Motion's will dip to the fourth spot that year. IDC has forecast the same overall 2015 rankings.
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But Windows Phone's move into second place by 2015 is the biggest change from prior forecasts. "Gartner has revised its forecast of Windows Phone's market share upward, solely by virtue of Microsoft's alliance with Nokia," Gartner said in a statement.
Gartner analyst Roberta Cozza explained the Windows Phone growth, noting that Nokia will be able to sell Windows Phones at lower prices than many smartphones sold today and to sell them globally through an extensive sales channel.
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So these make me feel more confident that more apps are going to be coming. Also, apparently the Omnia 7 is the Samsung Focus in the US, and the Focus looks butt ugly in my opinion, so I'm gonna stick with the HD7S I think. I could import it from the UK, but then it would be more expensive since it wouldn't be on contract.
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So these make me feel more confident that more apps are going to be coming. Also, apparently the Omnia 7 is the Samsung Focus in the US, and the Focus looks butt ugly in my opinion, so I'm gonna stick with the HD7S I think. I could import it from the UK, but then it would be more expensive since it wouldn't be on contract.
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I'm pretty sure the cases are different and the Omnia feels a lot more expensive to hold in the hand, if that helps at all.
I'm annoyed with my HD7 as I'm considering selling it, but the sharp edge at the bottom has some chips in it even though I've looked after it. That's gonna affect trade in value and it's only a few months old. Think it will always happen due to the design of the phone.
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I'm pretty sure the cases are different and the Omnia feels a lot more expensive to hold in the hand, if that helps at all.
I'm annoyed with my HD7 as I'm considering selling it, but the sharp edge at the bottom has some chips in it even though I've looked after it. That's gonna affect trade in value and it's only a few months old. Think it will always happen due to the design of the phone.
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What do you mean by it had chips in it because of the sharp edges?
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What do you mean by it had chips in it because of the sharp edges?
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Look at a picture of the HD7 and you'll see the top and bottom have grills surrounded by a sharp edge of metal. This is painted, so it chips easily - well it does on my phone anyway.
Knowing this I wish I'd put my phone in a case but my iPhone wasn't in a case and held up much better.
I do not believe that the Omnia 7 will work in the US at all. I may be wrong on this but I know that it will not work here in Canada at all.
The Hardware, etc of the Samsung Focus is indeed the same as the Omnia 7 and the one plus about the Focus is that it has an external sd card slot to expand memory where the Omnia 7 does not however... I agree... The Focus is one UGLY phone!!!
I have an HD7 with regular screen and yes... After having my Galaxy S and my Nexus S with SAMOLED screens, you can definitely tell the difference in color, brightness, etc but it is really NOT all that BAD so at this time I would recommend the HD7S with the S-LCD screen from ATT and I think you will be happy.
PS... Buy me one with the S-LCD screen and ship it to me here in Canada... LOL!!!
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I do not believe that the Omnia 7 will work in the US at all. I may be wrong on this but I know that it will not work here in Canada at all.
The Hardware, etc of the Samsung Focus is indeed the same as the Omnia 7 and the one plus about the Focus is that it has an external sd card slot to expand memory where the Omnia 7 does not however... I agree... The Focus is one UGLY phone!!!
I have an HD7 with regular screen and yes... After having my Galaxy S and my Nexus S with SAMOLED screens, you can definitely tell the difference in color, brightness, etc but it is really NOT all that BAD so at this time I would recommend the HD7S with the S-LCD screen from ATT and I think you will be happy.
PS... Buy me one with the S-LCD screen and ship it to me here in Canada... LOL!!!
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Haha yea, that's the plan. (Not shipping it to Canada though ) It comes out June 5, but I'm gonna wait until June 6 to buy it since Apple is having their conference, and I want to see what the the new iPhone will have to offer.
I was very excited about this phone when AT&T announced that they would be adding it to their lineup but now I'm starting to have some reservations because of its size. I've seen some videos on youtube comparing the size to the SGS II, Nexus, Skyrocket, etc. It looks freaken huge.
I know the HW wise the AT&T version and the European version are different. I don't care about that, I only care about the size. Does anyone find the phone to be too cumbersome or bulky?
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I was very excited about this phone when AT&T announced that they would be adding it to their lineup but now I'm starting to have some reservations because of its size. I've seen some videos on youtube comparing the size to the SGS II, Nexus, Skyrocket, etc. It looks freaken huge.
I know the HW wise the AT&T version and the European version are different. I don't care about that, I only care about the size. Does anyone find the phone to be too cumbersome or bulky?
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In my honest opinion, no. It's big, no doubt about that, but I have never felt that it's too big. I have slightly larger hands than normal, but many of my friends have tried it and none of them complained about it being too big to hold. My girlfriend on the other hand can't even hold it in one hand, so it's probably not a good phone for people with small hands.
It's thin so it goes down into my normal sized jeans pockets without any problem.
My recommendation: If you have normal sized hands and pockets, buy it, you won't regret it.
i find the size to be perfect, in fact, i would happily go up to 5.5inch or even 5.7 if they made it! after a day, you wont notice any difference and you'll wonder why you never had a huge screen phone before (because no-one made one, but thats not the point).
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I was very excited about this phone when AT&T announced that they would be adding it to their lineup but now I'm starting to have some reservations because of its size. I've seen some videos on youtube comparing the size to the SGS II, Nexus, Skyrocket, etc. It looks freaken huge.
I know the HW wise the AT&T version and the European version are different. I don't care about that, I only care about the size. Does anyone find the phone to be too cumbersome or bulky?
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The only way to find out is to try it out your self. I remember thinking my sgs2 was too big until I actually held it. But it does boil down to personal preferences. Also I don't think anyone here will tell you it's too big(It's NOTE FORUM)
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My girlfriend on the other hand can't even hold it in one hand
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Lol, that can't be a bad thing
Sorry couldn't resist above comment.... On a serious Note (pun intended), you will probably get used to the handset within a couple of days after seeing everything on a larger screen and then wonder how you got by all this time with smaller screens.
Just to be clear the screen size is 5.3 inches but the phone from top to bottom is 5.8 inches correct?
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yeap that's correct. I had doubts Note would be too big for me but after i get used to the large screen now i'm really happy with dimensions. It's big but not bulky and heavy. It's actually very light and slim. I didn't know that galaxy tab 7" plus has phone capability on honeycomband os. I thought to myself after i learnt it today if 7" would be even better. But i checked the technical spesifications and learnt that it is twice heavy (360g) with lower cpu power (1.2 GHz) and wider chasis around screen. So i'm pretty happy with weight and dimensions for now. Just longing for ICS official release to take full benefit of the hardware and use tablet mode like HC software wise.
I was using S2 and when Note launched , I thought what the hell is this ?
thought it's too big! one day I was shopping with me mate, he after the Note and he got it.
putting my S2 aside his newly acquired Note, My S2 was like a toy and was amazed by how much the screen looks better than my S2 .
Then we go back to the shop to get myself a Note as well.
Its big, obviously but after 3 days of use, I found the size is perfect.
except for sometimes one hand operation is virtually impossible.
it is awkward at best as a one handed since you can't reach the far Corners or the other edge of the screen. but outside of that it's fantastic
I just received my white note literally 2 hours ago and when I opened the box and first saw it sitting there I said out loud "wow"
I played with it for an hour and then put it on charge, while i do some work I need to do
I have since made and received 3 or 4 calls and I am used to it already and I do not consider it too big. But I am a person who always considered phone screens to be too small for anything useful, and until this phone haven't been motivated to change my HTC Touch HD. yeah I know sort of out of the arc.
Also I was considering buying a tablet, purely for aeroplanes and trains as to use my 18.4 inch laptop in a plane etc is a bit inconvenient. (but needed for how I use it generally). now i shall no longer buy a tablet as even with my short play i can see it can do what i was considering a tablet for.
But you really need to go and hold one and try it for yourself as other peoples and my opinion is always going to be from our perspective, which may not suite yours
seeya Ian
p.s the call quality was superb just like a phone should be and as far as I remember better than all my other phones
Thanks for the opinion guys. I'm getting real excited about it now. Only a few more days before we can pre-order. I know the specs aren't the same but I hope the AT&T version performs just as good as the international.
I was like you and had some concerns about the size, but I ordered the international version anyway. I've had it for about a week now and I find the size to be a non factor.
I have small hands. I can still use the phone with one hand with some maneuvering, but I don't find it too distracting. Sometimes the bottom of my thumb joint hits the applications button by accident when I try to reach for something in the far left top corner but I learned to adjust to it.
I love the phone and its size. I got used to it very quickly and don't even think about it now. It fits fine in all my pant pockets. The screen is beautiful and makes reading, watching videos such a joy. I don't think I'll be able to go back to a phone with anything less than 5" now.
It's just a wonderful phone.
Had the Galaxy Note for 4 days and it gets smaller by the day.
I'm on my second day with the Note, and am still adjusting to the size. By no means do I regret getting it, but it does mean that I need to walk a bit more carefully with it in my front jeans pocket (yes, they're a rather slim pair). I wouldn't dare sit with it in that pocket.
This is the first phone that can legitimately replace 98+% of my need for a laptop on-the-go, so I'll gladly live with that sacrifice.
Was doubting the purchase until I first inserted the battery, oh the gorgeous screen!
Nope, its the perfect size (this is 3 months into owning one).
Best phone I've ever had. (and I've had quite a few)
Seems large at first, but now! Now I get my iphone friends asking to see videos on my phone-"cause it looks better"
Size you get used to!
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Yeah it was BIG the first time ... now everything else is just too small
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On a serious "note" .... The 5.3' Screen size is amazing. So much on screen real estate for browsing, gaming drawing. There is a reason Samsung is selling so many Galaxy Notes. I was just typing something on my iPhone 3GS (Which i use for iPod purposes in the car) and damn that screen felt like a calculator hahah ...
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I was very excited about this phone when AT&T announced that they would be adding it to their lineup but now I'm starting to have some reservations because of its size. I've seen some videos on youtube comparing the size to the SGS II, Nexus, Skyrocket, etc. It looks freaken huge.
I know the HW wise the AT&T version and the European version are different. I don't care about that, I only care about the size. Does anyone find the phone to be too cumbersome or bulky?
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You can always check out the device when it stocks arrive, Initially I thought it was very big for a mobile phone but after testing out the dummy phone I found that its actually a perfect size for a mobile phone for either landscape or portrait use.. I use it mainly in portrait. Also going back to a smaller phone might be hard for me which Im going to do eventually.
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Yeah it was BIG the first time ... now everything else is just too small
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+1 jajajaja
Galaxy Note it's not too big, the other phones are too small. Screen size on the phones have been increasing for years. I remember my Nokia with a 2" 176x220 screen, and thinking that you can really read some text there (previous phones had monocrome, 2 text lines screen). Then it went to 3.5" screens (the same as the iPhone, jajaja, it has the same size I had in 2006).
I remember the times when people said that 4" was too big, and now only the iPhone has a screen below 4" (and it will be solved on the iPhone 5). So 4.3-4.5" is normal for many people. 5.3 just makes it better, more glass and more pixels to work with. I can type in portrait mode without pressing 4 keys at the same time. Playing a 720p video on this screen impresses everyone.
So I'm about to get a Nexus 7 for Christmas, my other android device is the Tmobile LG G2x which I had since it was first released.
Anyway, I came to the Nexus 7 forum to read up on my upcoming device, lo and behold I see threads about tiny miniscule flaws like screen lift, screen flicker, crackling speakers when the volume is turned up etc. and many new owners returning their "flawed" devices in for a "perfect" one.
This gave me flashbacks of how it all started for the LG G2X. A lot of people found "imperfections" with the device and blew it totally out of proportion, and because one person posted a thread on what he percieved as a flaw, everyone else started to succumb to the power of suggestion and noticed these "awful flaws" too, and decided they were gonna return it in hopes of getting a "perfect" one.
We all know how this turned out. LG G2X started to get a bad reputation, even though it's still one of the best most powerful dual cores out. It was well ahead of it's time when it was released and had huge potential, but all the so called "flaws" brought prospective buyers to google the G2X only to find links to threads of "my G2x has this and that flaw", persuading people to think G2x was an inferior product when actually, those reported flaws were over exaggerated, just so the owners could return it for a "perfect" one.
My point is, how can you justify returning a brand new, mint condition, Nexus 7 just because you feel a .000001 mm screen lift to the left side? or because you turn up the volume on the speaker and hear some crackling because you're about to blow the speaker when you can just lower the volume?
I've worked retail before, and when customers return a product claiming it's defective, the store writes it up as one, get's full credit for the product and even though it's 100% functional and flawless they are required to trash the product. Imagine how much money you'll make ASUS or Google lose and then they'll cut their losses and withdraw support for a great product, just like what happened to the G2X.
Come on people, don't go looking for flaws where there are none....
Totally true!
And of course it's also the fact that no body opens a thread to say "my n7 is working perfectly"
In my case, my N7 it's perfect and have never noticed one of those "flaws". The only thing, truth be told, it's that the speakers are "weak" in comparison with other devices, but that's not a flaw, it's a characteristic. Saying it's a flaw is like saying that the camera is a flaw because it's not an 8mp HD video recorder cam.
People should enjoy the devices instead to go looking things to complaint about
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I agree, i just noticed i have a screen lift on the let side and so does my friend. I pushed it back in and everything's fine. Its so minor (literally less then 0,2mm) that I really couldn't be bothered to go trough warranty for it (I also got it as a gift from UK and it would take months to get a new one). I had a screen lift on my previous Galaxy Spica, that was some screen lift it was well over the housing, it was annoying, but it didn't affect the touchscreen.
Also the speaker is small, I haven't had a device that wouldn't crack at high volumes, its not made for that. Again, if you're not happy, spend twice the amount of money for iPad. People forget that this is very cheap device for its performance and of course it comes at the cost.
I really like my N7 its fast and light. If you're thinking of getting one do so, don't let perfectionists with light case of OCD change your mind.
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This gave me flashbacks of how it all started for the LG G2X. A lot of people found "imperfections" with the device and blew it totally out of proportion, and because one person posted a thread on what he percieved as a flaw, everyone else started to succumb to the power of suggestion and noticed these "awful flaws" too, and decided they were gonna return it in hopes of getting a "perfect" one.
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i know exactly where your coming from.. idk too much about the g2x but my phone is a lg spectrum... first and last lg ill ever buy.. build quality is horrible... the one im using now is my 5th replacement.. the first only got data signal.. wouldnt call or text... the rest have all had bleeding on the edges of the screen.. plus lg and vzw tortured us about the ics update.
ive had my nexus 7 for a couple weeks now and i love it.. my only dislikes are no sd. and the fact that 4.1 and 4.2 put your files in different places.. other than that.. my N7 is the best device ive ever owned
Yeah. Another device where (especially initially after launch) bad user reports or bad reviews blew a bad rep out of proportion is the Acer A700. I have the device, and it's a really fine, really good working device with a gorgeous screen and great connectivity. Show me another device that - for 399 Euros! - offers that much!
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My point is, how can you justify returning a brand new, mint condition, Nexus 7 just because you feel a .000001 mm screen lift to the left side? or because you turn up the volume on the speaker and hear some crackling because you're about to blow the speaker when you can just lower the volume?
I've worked retail before, and when customers return a product claiming it's defective, the store writes it up as one, get's full credit for the product and even though it's 100% functional and flawless they are required to trash the product. Imagine how much money you'll make ASUS or Google lose and then they'll cut their losses and withdraw support for a great product, just like what happened to the G2X.
Come on people, don't go looking for flaws where there are none....
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I' m not sure about screen lift (don't have one) or crackling speakers (don't really care about built-in speakers). But I'm sure that screen flicker is a rather annoying issue, and it's bad for your eyes, too. This is like looking at an old CRT monitor @60hz, or even worse.
Actually, I do everything I can to keep the device. I've already bought Nvidia Prism toggle and Lux auto-brightness, none of which helped the issue. I also had to root and re-install my brand new tablet just to try these apps.
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The software of the G2x was a train wreck. Random reboots galore made the device almost unusable without a custom rom.
Nothing like the G2x IMHO.
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The software of the G2x was a train wreck. Random reboots galore made the device almost unusable without a custom rom.
Nothing like the G2x IMHO.
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Yep, quite a few issues on the software end, not so much hardware which is rare as a lot of LG products don't last hardware wise.
I do understand where you are coming from though OP. PERFECT N7 here!
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+1 on a "Practically Perfect In Every Way" Nexus 7 here.
Only things that make it imperfect is actually the software and not being able to run Java with Android....
Hardware it is "Practically Perfect In Every Way" aside from missing a rear facing camera....oh wait, I have a Nikon DSLR for that job.....
Glad to be rid of my O2X. The Galaxy S2 craps on it, nice thin form factor and not a chunky brick like the 2x.
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I agree with the whole over exaggerating minor flaws, but comparing the nexus 7 to the g2x not so much.
I had a g2x and actually sold it and went back to using my single core galaxy s 4g because the g2x was far too unreliable to use as a phone.
I now have a 32gb nexus 7 (flawless) and a gsm galaxy nexus and love both of them. Sure my gnex has a bit of purple tint at minimum brightness, but I would of just thought that's how the screen is if not for all the complaints.
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Perfect example of horrible support and bad rumors killing a great phone. Hardware was the best of its time but crippled by premature software.
Seriously though, it was pretty bad.
I can't even remember anything bad about it except it had screen bleed... and its bad software.
LG blamed Nvidia but Asus didn't have a problem keeping my Tegra 2 Transformer updated like twice a week. It had more software updates then Google's own Xoom.
Damn LG. I'm still iffy about LG devices that require updates.
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So I'm about to get a Nexus 7 for Christmas, my other android device is the Tmobile LG G2x which I had since it was first released.
Anyway, I came to the Nexus 7 forum to read up on my upcoming device, lo and behold I see threads about tiny miniscule flaws like screen lift, screen flicker, crackling speakers when the volume is turned up etc. and many new owners returning their "flawed" devices in for a "perfect" one.
This gave me flashbacks of how it all started for the LG G2X. A lot of people found "imperfections" with the device and blew it totally out of proportion, and because one person posted a thread on what he percieved as a flaw, everyone else started to succumb to the power of suggestion and noticed these "awful flaws" too, and decided they were gonna return it in hopes of getting a "perfect" one.
We all know how this turned out. LG G2X started to get a bad reputation, even though it's still one of the best most powerful dual cores out. It was well ahead of it's time when it was released and had huge potential, but all the so called "flaws" brought prospective buyers to google the G2X only to find links to threads of "my G2x has this and that flaw", persuading people to think G2x was an inferior product when actually, those reported flaws were over exaggerated, just so the owners could return it for a "perfect" one.
My point is, how can you justify returning a brand new, mint condition, Nexus 7 just because you feel a .000001 mm screen lift to the left side? or because you turn up the volume on the speaker and hear some crackling because you're about to blow the speaker when you can just lower the volume?
I've worked retail before, and when customers return a product claiming it's defective, the store writes it up as one, get's full credit for the product and even though it's 100% functional and flawless they are required to trash the product. Imagine how much money you'll make ASUS or Google lose and then they'll cut their losses and withdraw support for a great product, just like what happened to the G2X.
Come on people, don't go looking for flaws where there are none....
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I had a g2x and it was fine and even better with a custom ROM it could play any game and most games if not all were compatible but it was that phone that made me a flashaholic and we all know what happened all the developers got a galaxy nexus or galaxy s2 and we were left with settling for no longer updated GB Roms or the broken ics roms, I tried to learn how to build Roms but too hard for me, the nexus 7 on other hand I went through 2 before finding lucky number 3 without a major screen lift trust me the first was a moderate squeak when touching the lifted side then the second one was extremely bad and my third one was very light not even there really but overall I loved the device from the beginning to keep it instead of getting a refund
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Totally agree. Mine has backlight bleed but I really don't notice till the screen is totally black and still it minimal. I too have a g2x and loved it. But now because support is dropped for it it sucks a bit because everyone returned it and now things like Bluetooth and SOD because LG did a half assed update to shut ppl up. I figured out how to stop the SOD and don't really use Bluetooth often anyway (it does work in stock but I don't care to go back). Sorry form the bad typing its 4am here and I havnt slept yet lol
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While I can appreciate the OP's intention, I would have to respectfully disagree with his method of thinking.
The reality is many electronic devices have legitimate defects. To say that we should not discuss them or post threads about them is asinine IMO.
I feel this way for two reasons:
1. The user base on XDA is a fraction of the general public. And a minute fraction at that. To insinuate that a few overzealous posts could possibly hurt a giant conglomerate's business (all of these companies are huge in both the cellular and other markets, with the exception of a few smaller companies) is amusing. There is no way people discussing the flaws of the Nexus 7 is going to "hurt" Asus or Google. There is even less negative effect on companies like LG or Samsung because they are in so many markets.
2. Considering the above, the very small impact that these product criticisms have are needed to show mfg's that we are paying attention to the product quality, even if they aren't. In addition, we are going to raise awareness to others who may/may not purchase their product(s), and it may even end up in an Android news blog. This tells them that they can't just shove crap down our throats and expect us to praise them like some idiotic fan boy. This is needed to force them to adhere to stricter quality standards.
Just my two cents. Btw I love my Nexus 7. Carry on...
I think the issue, as the above post says, Is definitely a QC issue. Asus's motto is "Persistent perfection" which I have pointed out to the Asus techs in the service center here in Taiwan many times :victory: as I have brought in the various failed devices they have sold me over the years. I would like to take this argument to the next logical step. The screen lift at the outset means that the frame and screen are not joined correctly. The posts I've read say the bonding surface is only 2mm wide. This means that the device will likely have much worse separation issues as it ages. Yes, these gadgets weren't built to last millennia, only the life of their battery, which should be around two years. Two years wear and tear, a few drops later, will this device become unusable? Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you...Live by the sword, die by the sword, etc.
Agreed with this thread entirely. The Nexus 7 did endure some teething issues than cannot be denied (my original n7's screen had a constant grey wash over the screen i.e. blacks displayed as light grey :good But I had a great RMA process and my replacement has been perfect ever since.
The N7 did have screen lift but it was revised with revisions. In the early models it was prevalent because of the way it was manufactured.
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The N7 did have screen lift but it was revised with revisions. In the early models it was prevalent because of the way it was manufactured.
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Just my 2 cents here but I can't agree with this thread.
If a company is producing inferior quality products then the market will punish them for that, and rightly so. People pay hard earned cash for these products and if they rattle or have screen lift they are well within their rights to complain and return (the reason we have warranties) the product.
(I have a Nexus 7 and it's perfect btw)
This is one of the reasons Apple is a revered brand name among so many people, their pursuit of quality.
However I don't think the Nexus falls into the above category, it just had some teething problems. Also, judging by how hard it was for me to find one in stock there's no worry about it falling foul with customers.
I don't know anymore about smartphone companies are they drunk when they decide to release phones or what?????
still no confirmation on the aptX thing I am so annoyed why sometimes when u wait so long for a phone to have all you get hit by unexpected things like this. I started to hate all the android phones, as non honestly has it all.
Sony: Z Ultra great but too big should have been only 6 inch or reduced the size of the bezels to make phone smaller, and no a pen, and audio speakers suck
Note 3: Looks suck and feels cheap, and no major upgrade from note 2, too many versions, TW ui looks bad, now aptX maybe missing
LG2: small screen and nothing extra ordinary and not even looking into it
Sony Z1: screen small lacks pen, bad speakers
I don't know how decisions are made in those companies, but if I were a manager there I would be aware of those major issues and work on implementing all features before releasing a new product.
Maybe after all this 2013 is the worst year in innovation and should be dropped from our calendar for new smartphones
I don't know if you're trolling or not, but either way you made me laugh pretty hard
Are you serious or just screwing with us?
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hykhleif said:
I don't know anymore about smartphone companies are they drunk when they decide to release phones or what?????
still no confirmation on the aptX thing I am so annoyed why sometimes when u wait so long for a phone to have all you get hit by unexpected things like this. I started to hate all the android phones, as non honestly has it all.
Sony: Z Ultra great but too big should have been only 6 inch or reduced the size of the bezels to make phone smaller, and no a pen, and audio speakers suck
Note 3: Looks suck and feels cheap, and no major upgrade from note 2, too many versions, TW ui looks bad, now aptX maybe missing
LG2: small screen and nothing extra ordinary and not even looking into it
Sony Z1: screen small lacks pen, bad speakers
I don't know how decisions are made in those companies, but if I were a manager there I would be aware of those major issues and work on implementing all features before releasing a new product.
Maybe after all this 2013 is the worst year in innovation and should be dropped from our calendar for new smartphones
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Yes, we are all waiting to get a hands on the phone that you will manufacture which will solve all these issues. And for the first time in history, there will be a manager (you) who will not be drunk when making decisions. Because LG G2 screen is really small, so we're dying to see 40 inchers released by you. We are also expecting new speaker/subwoofer technology from you, and also a premium Titanium alloy build strong enough to survive in lava and withstand martian guns (Since Atomic bombs won't be able to even make a single scratch on your phones).
This planet needs you. Please help us!
Sounds like you need to run out and get an iPhone 5s.
If they release the best and perfect phone then where will they go from there ? They'll try to milk the most out of it before making the perfect phone....
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I don't know if you're trolling or not, but either way you made me laugh pretty hard
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Drunk trolls are the worst
This thread probably infuriate some (Sam fans) and be informative for others. Help people perhaps decide whether to buy or not.
I'm sick of touchwiz it lags and ugly. Probably worse the. Lg's ui. A phone which spec wise packs so much can't handle it's own ui.:silly:
How many people feel that's true?
Samsung are losing market share due to them not listening to their customers. Samsung need to switch back on and start reacting to consumer demands. Plastic is not appealing anymore. I hear the argument "need plastic back for removal battery" well people you don't need it to be ugly. More then one way to remove battery.
Get rid of the ugly design with plastic back, take a leaf out Htcs book.
Get rid of the stupid gimmicky software which perhaps a vey small percentage of people use.
I'm going for nexus 6 and not keeping my note 4 because it's slow and hate the ui.
Not true. I don't have any lags, work smoothly. Camera is amazing i really enjoy. If you don't like touchwiz you can always use other app like Nova. You buy note 4 or you opinion is only bubbles..?
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This thread probably infuriate some (Sam fans) and be informative for others. Help people perhaps decide whether to buy or not.
I'm sick of touchwiz it lags and ugly. Probably worse the. Lg's ui. A phone which spec wise packs so much can't handle it's own ui.:silly:
How many people feel that's true?
Samsung are losing market share due to them not listening to their customers. Samsung need to switch back on and start reacting to consumer demands. Plastic is not appealing anymore. I hear the argument "need plastic back for removal battery" well people you don't need it to be ugly. More then one way to remove battery.
Get rid of the ugly design with plastic back, take a leaf out Htcs book.
Get rid of the stupid gimmicky software which perhaps a vey small percentage of people use.
I'm going for nexus 6 and not keeping my note 4 because it's slow and hate the ui.
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why do u think this will help other people decide? just 'cause a ferrari came with a defective engine doesnt mean everyone should stop buying them..if u hate touchwiz so much then why'd u end up purchasing the note 4? samsung are losing costumers as well as apple and htc..costumers come and go..and the note 4 isnt plastic..it has a metal body
I'm not sure that the Note serie is responsible of Samsung loosing consumers. In fact, a recent poll on Phonearena shows that more than 81% of people think that the Note 4 is the best large-screen on the market right now.
Maybe the GS5 was disappointing and an update hard to justify but IMO, that's not why Samsung looses consumers.
There is more competition now and newee phones simply aren't big upgrade anymore (except iPhone 6/6+ for last-gen iPhone owners).
With a lot of manufacturers that sell high-end phones for 400$, It's harder to sell with a price tag of more than 650$.
As I remember, only low-cost company gain market shares recently.
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why do u think this will help other people decide? just 'cause a ferrari came with a defective engine doesnt mean everyone should stop buying them..if u hate touchwiz so much then why'd u end up purchasing the note 4? samsung are losing costumers as well as apple and htc..costumers come and go..and the note 4 isnt plastic..it has a metal body
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Seriously dude look at iPhone 6 plus it's a massive hit. It's outselling every other phone in the market and I'm not an apple fan but android.
Back in the day there was only one phablet which was the note but now you have more choice which is why people are not buying the note 4.
Spec wise samsung should be doing much better as far as performance is concerned but in really use the iPhone is better. Take the finger print sensor, on the iPhone it works seamlessly every time as it should On the note 4 well it's hit and miss.
Samsung is like a horse which has been overloaded and it shows.
With nexus 6 being made available shortly samsung will lose more customers.
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I'm not sure that the Note serie is responsible of Samsung loosing consumers. In fact, a recent poll on Phonearena shows that more than 81% of people think that the Note 4 is the best large-screen on the market right now.
Maybe the GS5 was disappointing and an update hard to justify but IMO, that's not why Samsung looses consumers.
There is more competition now and newee phones simply aren't big upgrade anymore (except iPhone 6/6+ for last-gen iPhone owners).
With a lot of manufacturers that sell high-end phones for 400$, It's harder to sell with a price tag of more than 650$.
As I remember, only low-cost company gain market shares recently.
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These are valid arguments, s5 was a big let down which has put off many people.
Yes low cost pomes are taking a chunk of the market but I think most who buy them are probably disappointed.
I've been saying this since S4 was launched that samsung eventually will lose consumers if they carry in with the cheap plastic look and touchwiz, see my earlier posts. Samsung have been vey slow in reacting and are laying out daily, same mistake Htc made. I think the next phone samsung launch will address the plastic and touchwiz issue, unless they are still,asleep.
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Seriously dude look at iPhone 6 plus it's a massive hit. It's outselling every other phone in the market and I'm not an apple fan but android.
Back in the day there was only one phablet which was the note but now you have more choice which is why people are not buying the note 4.
Spec wise samsung should be doing much better as far as performance is concerned but in really use the iPhone is better. Take the finger print sensor, on the iPhone it works seamlessly every time as it should On the note 4 well it's hit and miss.
Samsung is like a horse which has been overloaded and it shows.
With nexus 6 being made available shortly samsung will lose more customers.
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Year to year, in september, Apple's market shares are down. According to Kantar's analysis, the only market they are gaining market share year to year is EU5 where Apple is already very low (less than 15% market share).
Nexus 6 will certainly not sell very well if Google doesn't invest in marketing. None of the Nexus was a massive success to date. They sell well in a nich market of tech savvy.
Chinese brands, in the other hand, gain market share very fast (Xiaomi growth by 267% year to year if I remember correctly. When the market is only 26% larger).
Businesses and marketshare will go up and down in cycles, in a year or two numbers will rise again. This is normal behaviour to have these fluctuations as demand for products vary from time to time. It's a long time since Apple had a steady flow, they also suffer from fluctuations in their marketshare and product sales figures.
I'm not worried about this temporary setback for Samsung, they have a massive amount of money and electronics is not their main source of income.
/ Magnus
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Seriously dude look at iPhone 6 plus it's a massive hit. It's outselling every other phone in the market and I'm not an apple fan but android.
Back in the day there was only one phablet which was the note but now you have more choice which is why people are not buying the note 4.
Spec wise samsung should be doing much better as far as performance is concerned but in really use the iPhone is better. Take the finger print sensor, on the iPhone it works seamlessly every time as it should On the note 4 well it's hit and miss.
Samsung is like a horse which has been overloaded and it shows.
With nexus 6 being made available shortly samsung will lose more customers.
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You say people are not buying the Note 4 yet Samsungs recent quarterly results reflected that they have sold more phones and the Note 4 is already a major contributor, confirmed by Samsung's VP.
If you are going to make bold claims please stick to facts.
FYI: according to Kantar, Apple continue to lose marketshare globally, including in the USA:
http://www.mobileburn.com/23718/news/apple-loses-us-market-share-despite-record-sales
iPad also losing share to Samsung:
http://mblog.gsmarena.com/idc-samsung-nears-apple-tablet-shipments-market-climbs-11-5-q3-2014/
Dont like the plastic back? Just buy a metal back. PROBLEM SOLVED.
I really hope Samsung doesnt make a metal unibody for the Note 5, like the recent ugly HTC and Apple phones that look like someone shat the 1980s expectations of 2010 "scifi tech" through a douchefactory. I hope they stick to removable back, because then you can CHOOSE to have an easily scratched slippery ugly metal back or a grippy durable nice plastic back.
I dont find ANY gimmicky software on my Note 4. I find gimmicky hardware though, like the heartrate sensor and UV sensor. What exactly do you think is gimmicky software on the Note 4?
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This thread probably infuriate some (Sam fans) and be informative for others. Help people perhaps decide whether to buy or not.
I'm sick of touchwiz it lags and ugly. Probably worse the. Lg's ui. A phone which spec wise packs so much can't handle it's own ui.:silly:
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You did not share any information, you merely stated your opinion.
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Plastic is not appealing anymore. I hear the argument "need plastic back for removal battery" well people you don't need it to be ugly. More then one way to remove battery.
Get rid of the ugly design with plastic back, take a leaf out Htcs book.
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I happen to like plastic and I like the feel of the Note 4's battery cover. And I hate the look of most HTC phones. And by that I mean to say, that it all boils down to personal preferences and individual taste.
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Get rid of the stupid gimmicky software which perhaps a vey small percentage of people use.
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I doubt that a "vey small percentage of people" uses the camera, or the S-Note. I am sure quite a few people are using multiwindow, the ultra power saving mode, and so on. All these are part of Touchwiz.
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I'm going for nexus 6 and not keeping my note 4 because it's slow and hate the ui.
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out! Kidding!
I am sure there are people out there that feel the same way as you. But you need to accept that there are also people who don't. Cheers!
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Do get a bit of lag, nothing major though. The messaging app was especially lagging for me, but that was easily fixed by replacing it with a 3rd party app. I'm finding a lot of the features to be very useful actually, not gimmicky at all, one-handed mode, ultra power saving, download booster, all the S pen features. The back is nothing amazing but doesn't look cheap until you take it off, would be keeping it hidden under a case anyway, so again not much of a problem. The positives far outweigh the negatives for me.
I like the note 4 design and feel, especially the fake leather back. More than my old HTC m8.
And regarding touchwiz, only lag I have is the recent apps button.
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I'm not a fan of touchwiz, but my phone has basically been lag free. With the only exception being the recent apps button. However, my G3 had the same recent apps button lag so it's not only a Samsung thing.
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this is no place for iphones 6 plus and hey did someone forgot the bendgate allready ??
i hope you remember what that uni body piece of aluminium is capable of... enough said
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I'm not a fan of touchwiz, but my phone has basically been lag free. With the only exception being the recent apps button. However, my G3 had the same recent apps button lag so it's not only a Samsung thing.
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I attribute it to the fact that the phone might be waiting for a long press to pop up the menu.
No lag on my unit...Bard's tale~2gb game runs smooth even on power saving mode(so do all the other games/apps I run, just pointed this out due to its size)..So I am a satisfied customer Samsung,,
Yes, I do agree that touchwiz can be a little lightweight and polished..but its way better than what it used to be!
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I attribute it to the fact that the phone might be waiting for a long press to pop up the menu.
No lag on my unit...Bard's tale~2gb game runs smooth even on power saving mode(so do all the other games/apps are run, just pointed this out due to its size)..So I am a satisfied customer Samsung,,
Bu I do agree that touchwiz can be a little lightweight and polished..but its way better than what it used to be!
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thats very well said...as for the customers demand samsung has metal bands around , so soon enough will be the light touchwiz
i disagree to the saying that samsung dsnt listens to their customers, they do it
i have never seen tim cook talking to each and everyone ,"hey what do you want in your iphone".....
riz157 said:
This thread probably infuriate some (Sam fans) and be informative for others. Help people perhaps decide whether to buy or not.
I'm sick of touchwiz it lags and ugly. Probably worse the. Lg's ui. A phone which spec wise packs so much can't handle it's own ui.:silly:
How many people feel that's true?
Samsung are losing market share due to them not listening to their customers. Samsung need to switch back on and start reacting to consumer demands. Plastic is not appealing anymore. I hear the argument "need plastic back for removal battery" well people you don't need it to be ugly. More then one way to remove battery.
Get rid of the ugly design with plastic back, take a leaf out Htcs book.
Get rid of the stupid gimmicky software which perhaps a vey small percentage of people use.
I'm going for nexus 6 and not keeping my note 4 because it's slow and hate the ui.
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Your statements are opinions, based on taste or preference no facts. I do agree with you on the lag issues, I do feel like TouchWiz is a hindrance and that it's not very appealing. However a lot of people love TouchWiz. You saying that Samsung doesn't listen to us doesn't compute though if they didn't listen and try to anticipate our needs they wouldn't have a gazillion device's.
That being said the millions they spend on developing and advertising so many devices coupled with their pricing and the emergence of Chinese phone companies like Xiaomi and Oppo to name a few are a reason why they're not fairing better. You can't be the king forever. Samsung is still doing fine the market has changed.
As far as looks are concerned I find the note 4 gorgeous. My opinion. I agree with you on the useless hardware and software part and firmly believe that Samsung phones should come out with stock Android on their own framework and put all their bloatware in their app store like they did with their extra camera modes. But again, that's my opinion.
I decided to ditch Samsung after the s5 I felt that them offering the same phone for what was arguably the 3rd time was a slap in the face but the note 4 is in a league of its own and that's why I'm giving them another chance.
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I'm sick of touchwiz it lags and ugly. Probably worse the. Lg's ui. A phone which spec wise packs so much can't handle it's own ui.
How many people feel that's true?
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I'm not denying that TouchWiz isn't lagging, but the fact that you think TouchWiz is the only thing that lags makes this much more bad for you. Infact, iOS even lags to. Here, let me show you some evidences on that. Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY-KuPhC0Y0
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Samsung are losing market share due to them not listening to their customers.
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No, they are losing market share because other manufacturers are making better and better phones that is selling better and better. This just forces Samsung to make even better phones, like they did with the Galaxy Note 4, which is just positive.
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Samsung need to switch back on and start reacting to consumer demands.
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Like they did with the Samsung Galaxy Note 4?
Samsung just made the best phablet phone in the world. Samsung was the manufacturer that did set the standard for what a phablet is and should be. And they are still the king of that category.
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Plastic is not appealing anymore. I hear the argument "need plastic back for removal battery" well people you don't need it to be ugly. More then one way to remove battery.
Get rid of the ugly design with plastic back, take a leaf out Htcs book.
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No thanks. We don't want slippery aluminum that makes us risking our phones to fall down on the ground / asphalt which also makes the phone looks butt ugly with dents and scratches all over the places. I'll rather have a Polycarbonate backcover with this fake leather over the polycarbonate plastic just because it gives us a pretty good grip on the phone. Have you ever tried to use an iPhone 6 Plus with one hand without feeling that you are about to miss it down to the ground / floor?
Try it and you will realize why we want Polycarbonate backcovers with fake leather over it.
Not only that, but the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 looks waaaaay better than the iPhone 6 Plus and HTC One M8 combined.
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It's pretty clear that you don't understand the whole meaning of the Note series. The TouchWiz features is what makes the Galaxy Note phablets to be the ultimate phablets they are today. Look at the iPhone 6 Plus. It's just an oversized iPhone 6 meant for HUUUUUGE peoples. You don't gain anything with the iPhone 6 Plus over the iPhone 6 except for the landscape thing in some apps.
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I'm going for nexus 6 and not keeping my note 4 because it's slow and hate the ui.
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Good for you. Nexus 6 is a good phone, i'm not denying that. But what can the Nexus 6 do that the Nexus 5 can't do except for having a bigger screen?
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Seriously dude look at iPhone 6 plus it's a massive hit. It's outselling every other phone in the market and I'm not an apple fan but android.
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It's a massive hit because of good marketing and overhyping in the media. Anyways, who gives a damn about that when you see that Android worldwide have a massive marketshare of 84%. iOS have a lil 12%. When we are looking at that stats worldwide, then wo cares about iOS anymore then?
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Back in the day there was only one phablet which was the note but now you have more choice which is why people are not buying the note 4.
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A Nexus 6 or an iPhone 6 Plus is not even considered a real phablet. Just having an oversized iPhone 6 with no new things except for some lame landscape mode isn't even taken as a threath to the Galaxy Note 4. if you are going to create a phablet, then make sure to use the screen size to something usefull.
A Nexus 6 is just the same as the Nexus 5 with just better specs. That's it.
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Spec wise samsung should be doing much better as far as performance is concerned but in really use the iPhone is better. Take the finger print sensor, on the iPhone it works seamlessly every time as it should On the note 4 well it's hit and miss.
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Here is a clue for you. Even though the Touch ID on the iPhone 6 / 6 Plus is more easy to use, you are far from being any more secure with it over Samsung's fingerprint scanner. Because when you use the Touch ID, you are just pressing directly on top of the Touch ID button, which leaves your fingerprint completely available to anyone who manages to steal your iPhone. With Samsung's fingerprint scanner, you have to swipe to get it to work. That means that you are actually swiping away your fingerprint on the fingerprint scanner on the home button. So those who steals your phone is going to have a really hard time to figure out the fingerprint then.
I'll rather take more security over a little easier usage.
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Samsung and TouchWiz as it is on the Galaxy Note 4 is all fine. The only thing i will say though is that Samsung needs to refresh it's color scheme and update it's icons in TouchWiz, so things can look better. There haven't been much changes on Samsung's icons since Samsung Galaxy S2 came out for the most part. But for the functionality and what TouchWiz is capable of doing, it's there to stay and it's there to be used.
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With nexus 6 being made available shortly samsung will lose more customers.
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An oversized Nexus 5 wont even tickle Samsung when it comes to this.
Slai said:
Dont like the plastic back? Just buy a metal back. PROBLEM SOLVED.
I really hope Samsung doesnt make a metal unibody for the Note 5, like the recent ugly HTC and Apple phones that look like someone shat the 1980s expectations of 2010 "scifi tech" through a douchefactory. I hope they stick to removable back, because then you can CHOOSE to have an easily scratched slippery ugly metal back or a grippy durable nice plastic back.
I dont find ANY gimmicky software on my Note 4. I find gimmicky hardware though, like the heartrate sensor and UV sensor. What exactly do you think is gimmicky software on the Note 4?
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Yeah, eBay 4tw when it comes to buying cool backcovers for the Galaxy Note 4. I'm actually gonna buy a Carbon Fiber backcover (not complete carbon fiber) here pretty soon: http://www.ebay.com/itm/30135668976...49&var=600351115625&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
The black version of the Galaxy Note 4 will look smexy sexy with that backcover. You can also buy aluminum / metall backcovers, but they are going to get your GSM, 3G / 4G and Wi-Fi signals to be worser. So i'll rather avoid that. Not only that, but the back of the Galaxy Note 4 looks really good now with the fake leather as it doesn't have any stupid plastic lines (to get better signals through the back) that basicly destroys the look of the phone.
I'm not a fan of Touch wiz, but we have the option of switching to a different launcher and I prefer Nova...
This phone is awesome and we should be thankful we have the freedom to change what we don't like.
How about those Apples?