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[Q] What's the difference between SS3 and Rom Manager?

I know SS3 uses TWRP and Rom Manager uses CWM, but what are the real differences? Is there a reason I should use CWM/Rom Manager instead of SS3? I've been using SS3 and it's worked fine for all the roms I've tried (all but Batakang Rises so far).

OK. Safe strap is an awful way to be able to trick a phone with a locked boot loader into allowing flashing a ROM. Twrp just happens to be what they based it on. Its better than nothing.
Cwm, ahhhhhh now were talking. A real recovery that will let you do anything, to go along with our fully unlocked bootloader.
Cwm rocks, I guess would be the one point to take away from this.
Next, I'll show you how eye contact can make or break any business meeting.

SS3 is for locked bootloaders.
CWM is for unlocked bootloaders.
It's as simple as that.
Using SS3 on an unlocked bootloader is a waste of time.

Chronoswing said:
SS3 is for locked bootloaders.
CWM is for unlocked bootloaders.
It's as simple as that.
Using SS3 on an unlocked bootloader is a waste of time.
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SS3 seems to be better for me right now, because I can't figure out how to flash Gapps with a rom with a 1 zip flash limit.

You do them 1 at a time man. It's not complicated lol. It's how everyone does it.
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[Q] Black screen after any custom rom

I have unlocked the bootloader and every boot yields the motorola bootloader warning message. I rooted installed safestrap. If I installay custom rom I only get a black screen after the safestrap screen on boot. I can revert to stock rom, it is fine.I searched th forum but did not see a similar problem.

There is NOO WAYYY you searched. Every single noob does this. This is probably the 5th time in a week. You can't use safestrap with a unlocked bootloader. You have to use cwm..
I kind of understood before maybe people just didn't really research but shoot it's says for locked bootloader in the damn safestrap title now.
Not trying to be a **** but hell don't lie and say you searched and couldn't find anything when it's clearly everywhere. If you just said Iono what I did it just won't work even though clearly it says not to Ok fine but don't say you looked.
Sent from my PACMAN MATRIX HD MAXX

Same problem, but didn't unlock bootloader
deeje00 said:
There is NOO WAYYY you searched. Every single noob does this. This is probably the 5th time in a week. You can't use safestrap with a unlocked bootloader. You have to use cwm..
I kind of understood before maybe people just didn't really research but shoot it's says for locked bootloader in the damn safestrap title now.
Not trying to be a **** but hell don't lie and say you searched and couldn't find anything when it's clearly everywhere. If you just said Iono what I did it just won't work even though clearly it says not to Ok fine but don't say you looked.
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I didn't unlock my bootloader, but it happens to me too. After buying my Razr HD (XT925), I rooted with Motochopper, then installed Safestrap. When I flash a Custom ROM, nothing happens, just a black screen. I'm a noob, and really don't know what to do, could you help me?

obrunopietro said:
I didn't unlock my bootloader, but it happens to me too. After buying my Razr HD (XT925), I rooted with Motochopper, then installed Safestrap. When I flash a Custom ROM, nothing happens, just a black screen. I'm a noob, and really don't know what to do, could you help me?
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Probably because you tried to flash CM based ROMs with safestrap. You can only flash a select few with safestrap including Batakang, Joker, and Batakang Rises to name pretty much all of them. You need CWM, I prefer touch version so I don't wear my hardware buttons. Flash this in fastboot mode AFTER UNLOCKING BOOTLOADER: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2421418
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Neighbor808 said:
Probably because you tried to flash CM based ROMs with safestrap. You can only flash a select few with safestrap including Batakang, Joker, and Batakang Rises to name pretty much all of them. You need CWM, I prefer touch version so I don't wear my hardware buttons. Flash this in fastboot mode AFTER UNLOCKING BOOTLOADER: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2421418
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I would like to undestand why Safestrap doesn't work with CM based ROMs. A lot of tutorials in this site suggest Safestrap for flashing Custom ROMs. I liked it because it goes back to Stock any time, really simple for me. If I use CWM, will I be able to restore my stock ROM?

Because safestrap is meant for locked a bootloader. And cwm will let you return to stock just make a nanodroid backup of it.
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Bootloop with safestrap

How is one supposed to get out of a bootloop while loaded in a slot on safestrap? It only loops and never gives me a chance to load SS.
I recently took the update and was able to retain root. I am one of the few that it went from .51 to .54 and said failed update. luckily I was able to flash back to the original software and start over. So now for the time being I'll be staying with the ability to fxz back to stock and forgo the camera update.
So the real question is, how do you get out of a bootloop when your on a safestrap slot and you don't have the ability to flash back to stock because you took the update? @Hashcode
Sent from non rooted motoX :'(

matt99017d said:
How is one supposed to get out of a bootloop while loaded in a slot on safestrap? It only loops and never gives me a chance to load SS.
I recently took the update and was able to retain root. I am one of the few that it went from .51 to .54 and said failed update. luckily I was able to flash back to the original software and start over. So now for the time being I'll be staying with the ability to fxz back to stock and forgo the camera update.
So the real question is, how do you get out of a bootloop when your on a safestrap slot and you don't have the ability to flash back to stock because you took the update? @Hashcode
Sent from non rooted motoX :'(
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I'm assuming your non rooted motox sig is not accurate anymore lol. But I would take your question to rootzwiki. That seems to be where hashcode is doing his discussion and where others are posting questions who are in bootloops etc. You will probably get a better response. But if you can get to fastboot you should be able to flash recovery back on there and sort it out I think. But i haven't been keeping up with SS too much. I think i read some stuff over there about that though.
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/104161-recovery-locked-safestrap-recovery-v36x/

jayboyyyy said:
I'm assuming your non rooted motox sig is not accurate anymore lol. But I would take your question to rootzwiki. That seems to be where hashcode is doing his discussion and where others are posting questions who are in bootloops etc. You will probably get a better response. But if you can get to fastboot you should be able to flash recovery back on there and sort it out I think. But i haven't been keeping up with SS too much. I think i read some stuff over there about that though.
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/104161-recovery-locked-safestrap-recovery-v36x/
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I flashed recovery first and tried to boot. No luck. Then I flashed back via rsd lite ( luckily ) and I'm back to being rooted.
Sent from non rooted motoX :'(

matt99017d said:
I flashed recovery first and tried to boot. No luck. Then I flashed back via rsd lite ( luckily ) and I'm back to being rooted.
Sent from non rooted motoX :'(
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next time just flash the system.img as well and you should have been good to go without losing any data.

[Q] Carrier Unlock after CM 10.1.3 ??

I'm having issues trying to connect to any network on my MB886. I was able to unlock it within fastboot (I believe this is different from a carrier unlock I need to do). I then put cyanogenmod 10.1.3-mb886 on it. I have a sim card which was working on my old phone in there but it wont show any bars nor connect to any network.
I had the same issue when I first put in my sim card into the phone with the stock OS on AT&T. It showed a sim network unlock screen which I dismissed (i'm thinking I should have done that). Because now I cannot reach any network for voice/messages.
My question - is there a way to set this carrier unlock code within cyanogenmod 10.1.3 ? Or am I missing something here.
I've been stuck on this for a few days and would appreciate any help, thanks!

davemani5 said:
I'm having issues trying to connect to any network on my MB886. I was able to unlock it within fastboot (I believe this is different from a carrier unlock I need to do). I then put cyanogenmod 10.1.3-mb886 on it. I have a sim card which was working on my old phone in there but it wont show any bars nor connect to any network.
I had the same issue when I first put in my sim card into the phone with the stock OS on AT&T. It showed a sim network unlock screen which I dismissed (i'm thinking I should have done that). Because now I cannot reach any network for voice/messages.
My question - is there a way to set this carrier unlock code within cyanogenmod 10.1.3 ? Or am I missing something here.
I've been stuck on this for a few days and would appreciate any help, thanks!
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WOW! The Atrix 4G (MB860) has a mod that makes it a Atrix HD (MB886). I never knew that....
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palmbeach05 said:
WOW! The Atrix 4G (MB860) has a mod that makes it a Atrix HD (MB886). I never knew that....
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What are you talking about? Trying to be a ****? Because you failed.
Sent from my PACMAN MATRIX HD MAXX

It's all good here, the friendly neighborhood admins moved this question to the right spot. The subtle differences in the atrix's had me thrown for a loop for a while when i started modding.
I'm beginning to think that loading back stock OS is my best move as i need the carrier SIM unlock message which it did display on me. I was really hoping that theres a way to do this within Cyanogenmod.

As I understand it, the only serious solution is that yes you have to be on the stock factory ROM (or at least the latest official update from the carrier that sold the phone) to get the carrier unlock code to "kick in" and be a permanent unlock. I've read horror stories on many devices where people just wouldn't do that and they ended up creating some mishmash of crap that they weren't able to resolve in the long run.
Best solution in all situations: if you have a carrier unlock code so you can use your device with other carriers, you need to input that code on the network unlock screen you'll see when you power up the phone with a SIM card that isn't one from the original carrier that sold the device (T-Mobile SIM in an AT&T branded phone, etc) but only when the device is running a stock carrier supplied ROM aka the factory ROM or the latest update.
It just doesn't seem to stick or work on a permanent basis any other way, on any device that I've ever used myself.

Thanks. I assumed as much. I didn't make a backup before i flashed CM 10 on it (DOH!). I'm not entirely sure how to return to default stock on it. I saw this guide on http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1905222 :
Return to Stock
The best and safest way.....​
But that is for the atrix 4g not the atrix HD and im pretty sure if I try to install any zips from CWM that are for that phone it will fail.
Any ideas?

Go read the beginners guide in the general section.
Sent from my PACMAN MATRIX HD MAXX

So I read through the intro sections as stated. It sounded like fruit cakes were the safest way to go back. However I downloaded and installed 2.3.6 Kernel from htXDA Fruit Cakes Thread Link
Now cyanogenmod wont boot. Also it didnt look like any of those fruit cakes were helping restore me back to stock and am very confused on how to proceed

The general section on the atrix hd man.. Shoot lol.
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Well I may have flashed some **** that isnt good (im guessing that kernel 2.3.6 ) but I can still reach recovery mode. So i probably have to flash a new kernel im guessing? I tried restoring my backup i made from before flashing kernel but it puked loading up.

Flash stock with rsd lite. Per the guide from here.
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I keep seeing mentions of the Atrix vs the Atrix HD. This is the Atrix HD subforum where this thread is located now, may have been moved, I don't know.
Regardless, if you want to return the Atrix HD to full stock AT&T ROM status, the best easiest fastest method is:
1) Download the ROM itself from wherever (it'll be the 4.1.1 build named MB886_att-user-4.1.1-9.8.0Q-97_MB886_FFW-20-27-release-keys-ATT-US_BuildA.xml.zip, 431MB in size, md5 is 6b0f3c700fc6ec9de2ecbb9d8552e014)
2) Download Myth Tools and extract it.
3) Put the ROM into the \firmware folder.
4) Make sure USB debugging is enabled (you can figure that one out yourself, I hope) and attach the Atrix HD to the computer, verify the USB debugging is functional - if you have a 4.3 based ROM installed, you'll have to allow the debugging to work by checking the dialogue box popup (part of the new security model for 4.3 as I understand it), once that's done and you get the icon showing USB debugging is running, then you...
4) Run Myth Tools, choose option 2 Flashing Stock Firmware and just follow the instructions.
That's about it.
If this is all related to the Atrix 4G, then stop adding posts to this thread since it's in the wrong place to begin with.

This is clearly about the atrix hd man. His first post states that. I don't understand why you and the other guy are so confused.
Sent from my PACMAN MATRIX HD MAXX

Hence my instructions for the Atrix HD, obviously.

Thanks Br0adband, I think your solution of using myth tools will get me where I want to be. However, I can no longer boot to the OS and cyanogenmod just freezes after I installed the wrong kernel (2.3.6 from that previous link).
I'm assuming before I can start your suggestion, I need to flash the correct kernel for my device to fix it. So I'll start looking for that and then follow Br0adband's outlined steps.
Thanks again!

I suppose I'm still a bit lost/confused. I understand the process to return to stock Br0adband outlined but I cant currently boot into ANY OS. I was able to boot into Cyanogenmod 10 but after installing an incorrect kernel (see earlier post) it either freezes at the cyanogenmod loading screen or just keeps rebooting.
I couldnt find a similar kernel for CM 10.1 for my device (which I'm guessing will solve my problem but who knows). Closest I saw was the github cyanogenmod android kernel page for my device but I dont know how to build it into a zip. I think this may also be a red herring.
I've tried re-installing CM 10.1 and doing a factory reset from CWM but so far nothing i've done has seemed to work. Oh I also tried to restore a backup image but no luck .
I'd happily welcome any advice (like is finding a kernel for CM 10.1 the right thing to do to fix this?)

You have to just flash the stock firmware through rsd man. Stock kernel Is included.
Sent from my PACMAN MATRIX HD MAXX

Thank you. I got a bit confused with all the CWM installs and everything. I will go through the guide at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2231249 .
Quick question though, will this still keep my phone bootloader unlocked, keep CWM and keep rooted? Or will this reset all that? I just would hate to redo everything

Your bootloader will remain unlocked so all you'll have to do is put cwm back on the flash a rooted rom or a superuser.zip for the stock rom.
Sent from my PACMAN MATRIX HD MAXX

I just went through the same thing with the carrier problem after CM 10.2 (without the kernel issue) on my Atrix HD, and a clean stock RSD Lite flash as referenced by the guide above corrected it quite nicely.

[Q] Atrix HD will not complete the new update need HELP!!!

My phone has been saying for a couple weeks now that I need to update it so i go to update it and it shuts down and then you see the android trying to complete the update then about halfway through it stops and i get the orange warning sign like it failed then the phone reboots and says update failed then i tryed rebooting it into recovery and it wont even boot into recovery.

bpc87 said:
My phone has been saying for a couple weeks now that I need to update it so i go to update it and it shuts down and then you see the android trying to complete the update then about halfway through it stops and i get the orange warning sign like it failed then the phone reboots and says update failed then i tryed rebooting it into recovery and it wont even boot into recovery.
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Hasn't this already been discussed in the update thread? Flash the stock ATT JB, then accept the update.

bpc87 said:
My phone has been saying for a couple weeks now that I need to update it so i go to update it and it shuts down and then you see the android trying to complete the update then about halfway through it stops and i get the orange warning sign like it failed then the phone reboots and says update failed then i tryed rebooting it into recovery and it wont even boot into recovery.
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If you ever rooted, ran a custom recovery, chances are you tweaked something under /system that's causing it to fail. Flash stock recovery and stock system then take the OTA.
Now, with my old Atrix HD, the OTA took just fine with a rooted system and Philz CWM, on my new Atrix HD, I had to be using stock recovery and unrooted...odd.

skeevydude said:
If you ever rooted, ran a custom recovery, chances are you tweaked something under /system that's causing it to fail. Flash stock recovery and stock system then take the OTA.
Now, with my old Atrix HD, the OTA took just fine with a rooted system and Philz CWM, on my new Atrix HD, I had to be using stock recovery and unrooted...odd.
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My friend also asked me about this prob today I also told him that but thanks for the info since it's just my thinking and i havent tried still on CM11 to wait official kitkat

devilsking said:
My friend also asked me about this prob today I also told him that but thanks for the info since it's just my thinking and i havent tried still on CM11 to wait official kitkat
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Same here!

i have the same problem but i'm on stock jb. just rooted the phone and stock bootloader. i don't now if it has something to do with not being in usa and using an AT&T phone. but it's really annoying the message every hour.

magocop said:
i have the same problem but i'm on stock jb. just rooted the phone and stock bootloader. i don't now if it has something to do with not being in usa and using an AT&T phone. but it's really annoying the message every hour.
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The OTA update should install even without an ATT SIM card in the phone. I have a Bell Atrix HD in Canada with an unlocked bootloader. I installed the stock JB ATT ROM, ran the update, installed a customer recovery, and went back to using a custom ROM.

audit13 said:
The OTA update should install even without an ATT SIM card in the phone. I have a Bell Atrix HD in Canada with an unlocked bootloader. I installed the stock JB ATT ROM, ran the update, installed a customer recovery, and went back to using a custom ROM.
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Did you have to call Bell to get that customer recovery? And where can I get one at?

skeevydude said:
Did you have to call Bell to get that customer recovery? And where can I get one at?
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I apologize. I meant to say "custom" and not "customer". I was posting from my phone and didn't notice that auto correct changed the word to customer.

audit13 said:
I apologize. I meant to say "custom" and not "customer". I was posting from my phone and didn't notice that auto correct changed the word to customer.
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I know. Just having a bit of fun
Autocorrect....Adding the wrong word for the lulz since 2009

skeevydude said:
I know. Just having a bit of fun
Autocorrect....Adding the wrong word for the lulz since 2009
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No worries. Good thing you brought the error to my attention; otherwise, Bell would start receiving requests for the "customer" recovery files:laugh:

skeevydude said:
If you ever rooted, ran a custom recovery, chances are you tweaked something under /system that's causing it to fail. Flash stock recovery and stock system then take the OTA.
Now, with my old Atrix HD, the OTA took just fine with a rooted system and Philz CWM, on my new Atrix HD, I had to be using stock recovery and unrooted...odd.
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I probably did when i first figured out how to use custom roms i was trying a whole bunch of them but that was awhile ago and now i dont remember how to flash a stock recovery or where to get it and i did awhile ago use RSD Lite to flash a stock rom onto my phone but that is the last thing I did and know its been sooo long i dont remember how any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated and sorry i have not got back to this post in a few days been busy doing other things but once again if anyone could help me it would be appreciated
Thanks
- Bart

Try using Myth Tools to flash back to stock, take the update, install a custom recovery, and flash a KK ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2262726