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Native Android phones vs Touch

After using Android on Touch for 2 months, I'm convinced that my next phone will be an Android phone. Now I need to convince my family members who want Iphone. Nobody has either Android phone or iphone at the moment.
I'm using Touch as a proxy for Android phone and my wife uses Ipod Touch as a proxy for Iphone. Unfortunately, it is obvious that Itouch blows Android Touch in terms of UI, speed and stability.
So my question is are android phones such as Droid, Incredible offer much more speed and stability (no FC) than Touch? I want to hear first hand experience rather than spec comparisons.

acegolfer said:
I want to hear first hand experience rather than spec comparisons.
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then you are posting in the wrong forum; most of the frequenters here have the HTC Vogue: Touch CDMA . . .

I believe we've had several members graduate to a "android device" and they have had nothing but good results. Jamezelle I think was one of them, he got an Eris and loved it if I remember right.

There is a night and day difference is speed stability etc. The nexus one, or sony x10 for example run cpu's that are more than twice the speed of our vogue, and a better cpu to boot.
My friend has a sony x10, he compared it with a few of his buddies who have iphones and the screen quality itself was the biggest difference. Vilord got an incredible, went out with some of his iphone buddies, nothing held a candle to the incredible in terms of speed/screen quality.
android = more free apps, faster cpu's faster gpu's, more 'hacking/customizing' ability
iphone = ease of use for non technically oriented people, tons of commercial apps, yeah they cost but they mean better quality too.
Don't take me wrong, I obviously prefer android, but the iphone is also really nice, I wouldn't complain if I had one, especially since they're starting to be able to run android. lol
acegolfer said:
After using Android on Touch for 2 months, I'm convinced that my next phone will be an Android phone. Now I need to convince my family members who want Iphone. Nobody has either Android phone or iphone at the moment.
I'm using Touch as a proxy for Android phone and my wife uses Ipod Touch as a proxy for Iphone. Unfortunately, it is obvious that Itouch blows Android Touch in terms of UI, speed and stability.
So my question is are android phones such as Droid, Incredible offer much more speed and stability (no FC) than Touch? I want to hear first hand experience rather than spec comparisons.
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berardi said:
I believe we've had several members graduate to a "android device" and they have had nothing but good results. Jamezelle I think was one of them, he got an Eris and loved it if I remember right.
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I'm going to say that I completely agree with this statement. I ran android on my touch for quite awhile and switched to an eris. I'll tell you it was a great move, not to knock the vogue, but the screen clarity/size, speed and capacitive touch + multi touch are a huge upgrade.
Being in this forum got me hooked on android, and consequently I had my vogue longer than any other phone in the past (my thanks go to the devs and the community), but I'm sure happy to have an upgrade. Now onto the incredible..
As for swaying people to use the native android devices, one of my buddies and my girlfriend have an iphone and a bb storm. When they saw android on my touch they kinda laughed at it and thought it was a "cool" novelty, crammed on my small device, but now that I have the eris, they both want an android phone. My girlfriend wants my eris when I get the incredible and my buddy is probably gonna sign a 2-year with vzw for the incredible, or get the nexus on t-mobile.
To each their own though, some people like the "simplicity" of the iphone, but when they actually see their options, they may want to change...

acegolfer said:
After using Android on Touch for 2 months, I'm convinced that my next phone will be an Android phone. Now I need to convince my family members who want Iphone. Nobody has either Android phone or iphone at the moment.
I'm using Touch as a proxy for Android phone and my wife uses Ipod Touch as a proxy for Iphone. Unfortunately, it is obvious that Itouch blows Android Touch in terms of UI, speed and stability.
So my question is are android phones such as Droid, Incredible offer much more speed and stability (no FC) than Touch? I want to hear first hand experience rather than spec comparisons.
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I just graduated from the Vogue to the Incredible and as nice as the Vogue was running Android it doesn't compare to running Android on a native device for a few reasons.
A) Everything works out of the box (MMS, GPS, Bluetooth, etc)
B) Way faster (No slow downs, freezes, reboots, etc)
C) Multi-touch (Capacitive vs Resistive)
D) Bigger and brightrer screens. (3.2in or more vs 2.8in)
The Vogue running Android is definitely ready for daily use and its more than a side step to a native phone but it still a bit short of the new phones. Also consider the age of the device. Its amazing how much extra life Android has given this device but its just not a fair comparison.
I love my Vogue and kept it for 26 months only because of Android. Bottom line, if you think Android is nice on the Vogue, you will think its awesome on and actual Android device

mssmison said:
Don't take me wrong, I obviously prefer android, but the iphone is also really nice, I wouldn't complain if I had one, especially since they're starting to be able to run android. lol
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hehe. I was thinking about that the other night. At this point I think an iPhone would be a pretty sweet device to have. The best of both worlds.
I've seen the YouTube videos of it running Android and it appears to be running pretty good.

I had an iPhone for a couple months. Honestly I prefer even Windows Mobile.
Yes the iphone is beautiful, shiny, all that jazz great apps don't get me wrong, it's fantastic.
BUT
I mean this in the most sincere way - I firmly feel it is NOT your device. Apple's name is written all over every aspect of your device. I'd compare it best to communist Russia - good overall standard of living maybe, but no individuality, no choice, nothing. Sure there's cyanomod (sp) but the breaking point for me was when my iphone was having a problem and the only way to fix the problem is plug it in and resync / restore with itunes (epic facepalm).
Now Android is leaps and bounds ahead of Winmo, with regards to UI, but truthfully, just being able to troubleshoot your own device, having those errors here and there, it really is something to be appreciated when you are on a device that is owned by someone else. I can only imagine how wonderful it must be to have a droid or nexus one - I dream of it as a present day utopia.
Whatever you do, make sure you really try the iphone and see if you can really make peace with it. I absolutely could not. Everything is completely dumbed down. Don't get me wrong - I'm all for the ease of use and minimalist experience, but I feel Android strikes the right balance - flush between iPhone and Win Mo. YMMV, maybe you like your phone to just do what it's told and have no connection to it. For me, I get quite emotional with these little things. Pretty soon I'm going to have to buy a ring for this Vogue, it's going on 3 years...
Call me corny, I just feel NO emotional connection to the iPhone. I feel like it was just handed to us and we're told this is your phone, use it. Almost like going to a public library and lending out a computer but you can't do anything to it.

br125 said:
one of my buddies and my girlfriend have an iphone and a bb storm. When they saw android on my touch they kinda laughed at it and thought it was a "cool" novelty, crammed on my small device
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That is so funny...it was like I was reading a post about myself in the 3rd person or something....That is the exact same reaction I received from my g/f and her brother who rocks the BB Storm...but the funny thing is, last week, he asked me what I thought about the incredible because he is now thinking of making the switch from BB. Who's laughing now!

berardi said:
I had an iPhone for a couple months. Honestly I prefer even Windows Mobile.
Yes the iphone is beautiful, shiny, all that jazz great apps don't get me wrong, it's fantastic.
BUT
I mean this in the most sincere way - I firmly feel it is NOT your device. Apple's name is written all over every aspect of your device. I'd compare it best to communist Russia - good overall standard of living maybe, but no individuality, no choice, nothing. Sure there's cyanomod (sp) but the breaking point for me was when my iphone was having a problem and the only way to fix the problem is plug it in and resync / restore with itunes (epic facepalm).
Now Android is leaps and bounds ahead of Winmo, with regards to UI, but truthfully, just being able to troubleshoot your own device, having those errors here and there, it really is something to be appreciated when you are on a device that is owned by someone else. I can only imagine how wonderful it must be to have a droid or nexus one - I dream of it as a present day utopia.
Whatever you do, make sure you really try the iphone and see if you can really make peace with it. I absolutely could not. Everything is completely dumbed down. Don't get me wrong - I'm all for the ease of use and minimalist experience, but I feel Android strikes the right balance - flush between iPhone and Win Mo. YMMV, maybe you like your phone to just do what it's told and have no connection to it. For me, I get quite emotional with these little things. Pretty soon I'm going to have to buy a ring for this Vogue, it's going on 3 years...
Call me corny, I just feel NO emotional connection to the iPhone. I feel like it was just handed to us and we're told this is your phone, use it. Almost like going to a public library and lending out a computer but you can't do anything to it.
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I agree 100%. I'm sold with Android. I like to tweak things to make it work.
But my family members like simplicity over functionality. They don't even know what jailbreak means. Nevertheless, they like Ipod touch. Go figure.
I have to convince them that the new Android phones just work out of box. As you can expect, demonstrating Android using HTC Touch won't make them convinced.

I am supposed to get a business demo of the Incredible, so Ill report back here. They're apparently on back order even for business demos, so it might be a week or two. I currently have the xv6900 running on Verizon with Myns RLS5 on NAND.

yes i have also graduated from my vogue to an eris, and then to the motodroid, and android is 300% better than it was on my vogue

Up until got the HTC TOUCH (VOGUE) My friends would laugh at me and ask "OK what phone did you get now?" I would literally go thru a phone every 7-9 months. Until the Vogue came into my life. Sure everyone got BlackBerries and iPHONE's, but I would never have enough incentive to move over. I have been using using Myn's ANDROID on my touch for the last 90 days and it gets better with every release, but I still get hiccups and crashes from time to time. Sometime the phone will lockup completely. (granted I am running off a CLASS 4 SD card) I just love the form factor of the device. HTC really got it right when they released this phone. But alas .... now that I have a taste for ANDROID I know that my next device will probably be the HTC EVO on sprint.

[Q] Switching from an iPhone 4

Hey everybody. I'm very new to Android and have been using the iPhone the past 3 years. I bought an iPhone 4 a month ago off an upgrade from my 3G at the Apple Store. I would like to switch to the Samsung Captivate. What is the best way to do this? Can I use the Captivate on the same 2-year contract? And are you former-iPhone users happy you made the switch? Thanks guy. This is an awesome site and even though I haven't had an Android device I follow this forum and can't wait to put all the sweet mods on my Captivate to make it much faster than the iPhone!

Captivate
Yes I had the iPhone 4 I return it and purchased the Samsung captivate I am much happier with the Samsung captivate over the iPhone 4 the fact that you can change everything on the phone is awesome you can have a custom launcher custom icon and a custom lock screen *in my opinion the samsung captivate is far superior to the iPhone 4*

i believe you have to do it within 30 days.

If you're willing to pay full price for the Captivate, yes you can use it with your current data plan. You can call AT&T and have them change it to the non-iPhone plan or just have the sales guy do it at the store...but I'm pretty sure they cost the same.
As far as being happy I made the switch...hell yes. I couldn't stand the restrictions that had been placed on the iOS software. It annoyed me to no end that in order to simply change the colors of something, or move icons around I had to circumvent security measures that had been put in place (jailbreaking)...which then led to a ferocious battle with an Apple "Genius" who physically broke my phone while "repairing" it and then blamed the USB hardware error on my jailbreaking software, and Apple sending me to a different Apple store to get a refurbished phone as I called and confirmed that the hardware error I was getting could NOT be caused by jailbreaking. I'd had enough. Not to mention everyone in an Apple store at any given time looks like a hardcore douche.
I love the openness of Android. I had a G1 back in the day but broke it, and didn't have enough money to buy a new one...but I had a contract renewal with ATT which is how I ended up with an iPhone. It feels great to be able to do whatever I want with my phone. I thoroughly enjoy learning about the inner workings of Android and flashing different ROMs, etc.
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Thanks for all the responses guys. I think I'm going to be happy switching to the Android. Another question - what about music? How does that work with the Android devices. I know it's based off an expandable SD card, but is there like an iTunes alternative to sync my music and transfer the music? Also, once I do the switch I am definetely going to root the device and apply one of the new Roms that take the AT&T crap out and make it run faster. I am VERY familiar with jailbreaking the iPhone, I have been doing it ever since 2.2.1. Is it as easy to learn how to root as it is to jailbreaking? Thanks guys

syncing music
There's an app called DoubleTwist that's supposed to be equivalent to what iTunes would do on the iPhone (without the store, anyway.) I've tried it but haven't had a lot of luck yet...probably due to peculiarities in my environment.
If you know where the media files are supposed to go on the device, it should be as simple as copying them to it over USB.
The Captivate does come with 16 GB on its "internal SD card," so the SD card is optional for that

you can download music directly to your phone and save the hassle of syncing with at computer..
and best part is most of the time its free, but there really isn't much of a market yet, but you can download any mp3 file you wanted and its not tied down to iTunes.

Thanks for all the answers guys. I will look into Doubletwist. Also, last question lol (I promise) - I love the look of plain regular Vannila Android, is it possible to get that on a Captivate?

King Shady said:
Thanks for all the answers guys. I will look into Doubletwist. Also, last question lol (I promise) - I love the look of plain regular Vannila Android, is it possible to get that on a Captivate?
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Not yet. But you can use an alternative home screen program such as ADW Launcher or Launcher Pro. These programs run on top of your operating system and changer the user interface to pretty much anything you want
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I had an iphone 3G, 3GS and 4. The Captivate is a better device than all of them in almost every regard. The only things that the iPhone 4 has over the Samsung Captivate are:
Better Camera with Flash
Working GPS
Better games (my opinion)
Better music player UI
You can get a few different launchers for the Captivate that work pretty well. I use LauncherPro. It's not stock Android but it gets rid of a lot of the TouchWiz.
And it's very customizable.
I am happy with the switch to Android. If I don't keep it it's only due to the GPS issues and I will move on to a different Android device.

Zysoclaplem said:
I had an iphone 3G, 3GS and 4. The Captivate is a better device than all of them in almost every regard. The only things that the iPhone 4 has over the Samsung Captivate are:
Better Camera with Flash
Working GPS
Better games (my opinion)
Better music player UI
You can get a few different launchers for the Captivate that work pretty well. I use LauncherPro. It's not stock Android but it gets rid of a lot of the TouchWiz.
And it's very customizable.
I am happy with the switch to Android. If I don't keep it it's only due to the GPS issues and I will move on to a different Android device.
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I was with you up until the games (which I understood to be an opinion) and the Music UI. In my opinion the music app that samsung provides is more than adequate and considering the controls in the lockscreen with the slide down disc to change songs and in the notification bar. Not too mention the array of EQ features and 5.1 channel output it definitely trumps the iphone.
But of course that is subjective

I am about to come back to the captivate from the iphone 4. I always go back to the iphone to stop my love for hacking and modifying the phones general purpose. The captivate is a great phone on att as far as android goes. The ui helps alot of iphone users to adjust for the simple fact that it mimics ios. You know I did go back to the iphone this last time because I got my captivate cheap on craigslist and made a killin to buy an iphone outright. I got the iphone 4 because of flash and front facing camera. After a month with it Ive just come to the conclusion that I dont even like the flash and I dont use face time enough to justify the cause. I really wish I had sprint cause my ideal device is the evo(led notify and front camera) but I get a great deal through work with att so the captivate is just a better 3GS IMO!

King Shady said:
Hey everybody. I'm very new to Android and have been using the iPhone the past 3 years. I bought an iPhone 4 a month ago off an upgrade from my 3G at the Apple Store. I would like to switch to the Samsung Captivate. What is the best way to do this? Can I use the Captivate on the same 2-year contract? And are you former-iPhone users happy you made the switch? Thanks guy. This is an awesome site and even though I haven't had an Android device I follow this forum and can't wait to put all the sweet mods on my Captivate to make it much faster than the iPhone!
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I'll trade you my Captivate for your iphone4 anyday!!

krazyphire said:
I was with you up until the games (which I understood to be an opinion) and the Music UI. In my opinion the music app that samsung provides is more than adequate and considering the controls in the lockscreen with the slide down disc to change songs and in the notification bar. Not too mention the array of EQ features and 5.1 channel output it definitely trumps the iphone.
But of course that is subjective
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Seriously?? You think Android has better games than iphone?? What are you smoking??

derek4484 said:
Seriously?? You think Android has better games than iphone?? What are you smoking??
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First of all I don't take well to condescension. So I'm not "smoking" anything. Subjective being the key word, I prefer playing emulators of games I like with the gba/psx emulator rather than cutesy games about cooking or herding sheep. Just me

I also had the iPhone 4(returned it also), as well as every other iPhone...So after 3+ years of ios and iPhones, Im very happy I made the switch to android and the captivate and will never go back.
When I did have my iPhones and ios I had them jailbroken...and I still think Android and the captivate is mucher better. Stock vs stock and rooted vs jailbroken!
One really big thing that I like and enjoy android so much more is the community! Android people are awesome and always wiling to help out!!!

try zeam also both lp an adw are good but zeam is light and simple

ANDROID BATTERY = Terrible. iPhone BATTERY = ? History of my phones from 2005-2011

Call me a phone freak, but it's not true. I made a chart of the phones I had since I was 11 till now that I am 17(Btw I got my first phone when I was 6 in 1999, which i found, im not spoiled.). If I am not mistaking I had 13 Phones Till now since 2005, and 9 Of them from 2010-2011. Again, I'm no phone freak, I don't text alot, I dont use that teen bbm ****, I only have these smartphones for entertainment and web browsing and music. Mostly it's the entertainment that I need to have in class, because if I can't find a good addictive game that I could play with in class. I will go crazy. If you notice in the chart I had all iPhones except the iPhone 4, Which is the next phone in my eyes. Even though I think that Android is 1000 times better than iphone I just CAAAAAAAAAAAAANT handle the battery power. Where I go to school from 7am to 12:01 pm I already lose 50% Battery.
Enough Talk, Here is the chart:
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Altough I AM going to lose 3g since I am on t-mobile, I need to have those creative like OSMOS, AOZ, etc. Which android really lacks or has a cheap ported version which carshes all the time.
WHAT DO I NEED HSPA+ OR 3G FOR IF I CAN ONLY USE IT FOR 4 HOURS?

I can certainly tell you're in no way a nerd. You've called at least one of the best phones of all time "CRAP CRAP CRAP PERIOD." If you learned how to better use the devices you might experience much better performance out of them.

lol I installed about 8 different ROMS on the HD2, I was then introduced to android through the android ROM on the HD2 which is when I fell in love with android, and it was still terrible, I had it for a few months and the number of bugs were just getting larger and larger. I gave up on that phone because WP6.5 Is terrible, no matter how much you try to exploit it, and android was very buggy on it. Android for me is the best OS, but it has no battery life, which kills it for me. I will go back for it if i get the iPhone 4 because I know that better android phones will come out.

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lol I installed about 8 different ROMS on the HD2, I was then introduced to android through the android ROM on the HD2 which is when I fell in love with android, and it was still terrible, I had it for a few months and the number of bugs were just getting larger and larger. I gave up on that phone because WP6.5 Is terrible, no matter how much you try to exploit it, and android was very buggy on it. Android for me is the best OS, but it has no battery life, which kills it for me. I will go back for it if i get the iPhone 4 because I know that better android phones will come out.
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Oh I know android has just terrible battery life. I doubt that will ever improve unless phones become the size of the old saved by the bell phones. I won't touch android anymore to be honest. I did enjoy WM in it's very vanilla form but it had to be heavily customized to my liking. The HD2 was good because I could try any phone OS I wanted which led me to WP7. After picking up an HD7 I fell in love. The battery life on that particular device (as well as all other HTC devices) is not so hot but once I switched to the samsung, LG, and Dell WP7 products I was thoroughly impressed. No HTC has good battery life without an extended battery. The phones however weren't bad until they started re-releasing the same phone over and over withonly slightly improved specs (dual core processor/front facing camera) It sucks that now they're pretty much just releasing the HD2 over and over again with lower build quality and better specs.

I agree.
The HD2 is the best smartphone of all time. Period.
Dude, I don't know if you know, but any phone, regardless of the manufacturer, has terrible battery life if all your gonna do is play full 3D games for the whole school day. You just can't expect your phone to last the day with that sort of use. And that's why extended batteries were invented...
I play games in class also, but dude, how do you learn?
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Better Android phones are coming out.
But remember, the new android phones are more powerful which equals greater battery draw, especially with full 3D games.
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lol I installed about 8 different ROMS on the HD2, I was then introduced to android through the android ROM on the HD2 which is when I fell in love with android, and it was still terrible, I had it for a few months and the number of bugs were just getting larger and larger. I gave up on that phone because WP6.5 Is terrible, no matter how much you try to exploit it, and android was very buggy on it. Android for me is the best OS, but it has no battery life, which kills it for me. I will go back for it if i get the iPhone 4 because I know that better android phones will come out.
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enoch861 said:
I agree.
The HD2 is the best smartphone of all time. Period.
Dude, I don't know if you know, but any phone, regardless of the manufacturer, has terrible battery life if all your gonna do is play full 3D games for the whole school day. You just can't expect your phone to last the day with that sort of use. And that's why extended batteries were invented...
I play games in class also, but dude, how do you learn?
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I actually take back saying HD2 is purely crap. But its definetely not the best. It all comes to personal choice, Some say android is the best, some say iOS is, some (very few) saw WM6.5 is the best. WP7 has nothing to do with this, I never said its bad so do not include it and the HD2's caliber because iphone 3g can run android does that make it the best phone for an android lover? I doubt it. Extended batteries are too bulky there is a reason why I want my phone to be very thin.
And regarding that school thing, I barely go to classes, barely wake up to go to school, and my average is 88.56. Kind of surprising but thats how I am high school is easy (I am a junior btw). School in NYC is very easy believe me

lol i'm not being a troll Im just stating my opinon and waiting for people to prove me wrong so they could stop me from spending 500 bucks on an iPhone 4 buddy.
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the HD2 is the best phone because its the most versatile of all phones... it could be a whole big argument, but let's not get into it.
The iPhone can't run Android. In that I mean, you can't use Android on the iPhone as a daily driver.
Not all extended batteries are bulky. Good example is the G2, it has extended batteries that fit in the stock cover.
Ohh, I see. I'm in Minnesota.... so our curriculum is definitely tougher. I'm a senior.
datfk said:
I actually take back saying HD2 is purely crap. But its definetely not the best. It all comes to personal choice, Some say android is the best, some say iOS is, some (very few) saw WM6.5 is the best. WP7 has nothing to do with this, I never said its bad so do not include it and the HD2's caliber because iphone 3g can run android does that make it the best phone for an android lover? I doubt it. Extended batteries are too bulky there is a reason why I want my phone to be very thin.
And regarding that school thing, I barely go to classes, barely wake up to go to school, and my average is 88.56. Kind of surprising but thats how I am high school is easy (I am a junior btw). School in NYC is very easy believe me
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datfk said:
lol i'm not being a troll Im just stating my opinon and waiting for people to prove me wrong so they could stop me from spending 500 bucks on an iPhone 4 buddy.
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You are going to waste your money on an iPhone 4 unless you can find one with the old iOS version it had on it when it first came out because if I'm not mistake, while the newest iOS software has a jailbreak for it I believe there still hasn't been an "unlock" released for it so you won't be able to use it on T-Mobile. So on that note, I'll sell you mine for $500 if you have money to waste like that.

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I wish I had that kind of willpower.
Instead Im just going to offer this....
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
and this..
HD2 = one 4.3" slab of pure awesomeness.
that is all.
Y'all have a nice day now y'hear.

datfk said:
lol i'm not being a troll Im just stating my opinon and waiting for people to prove me wrong so they could stop me from spending 500 bucks on an iPhone 4 buddy.
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i Took a quick stroll through your post history.
Lets look at some of the recent titles that you've posted
ANDROID BATTERY = Terrible. iPhone BATTERY = ? History of my phones from 2005-2011
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What Mytouch's problem is, and android in general.
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Is android fulfilling all of your need?
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Now i do see some post where you are asking legit questions. So i'll play nice. Those seem pretty troolish.

I have a MT4G and yes, the battery life does kind of suck. But the phone itself is still amazing and the battery is easy to pop out and replace. So I bought 3 extra batteries and a standalone charger off of ebay for like $14 or so. I just always keep 3 batteries fully charged and swap em out. Problem solved.

if you have to do that to stay charged something is wrong
as far as the OP goes, I almost agree. However, the HD2 is a flavor that is different. I had one. My battery in windows mobile by about april was easily 18-22 hours on moderate - heavy use. Perhaps the major problem is that you're in high school and want to match your friends who also are walking contradictions of an apple repetitive machine? And if that's the case, perfectly well. But it would make you a sheep...
And while it is very good to say that you're a junior and coasting through your classes, can you honestly say the same in college or grad school? What is your class schedule? Scholars/AP courses? Heck even honors courses? If not, what a waste of space...
But you really didn't give an opinion besides battery life. I like that my dvp can go 2 and a half days (without tweaks) on moderate to heavy usage. I can understand the charm of the iphone (actually no I can't understand it), but I can say it is the definition of status. Meh well...
Go read a book junior...

get the iphone before you hurt yourself.

I think i have you beat
I am 18 and over the course of 2008 i have had quite a few phones but no problems admitting i am spoiled but the bulk of my phones come in 2010
1)Env2
2)Motorola Krave-Verizon
3)Blackberry Storm-
4)Samsung Omnia-
5)Samsung Alias 2
6)Env touch-Verizon
7)HTC Imagio-Verizon
8)Moto Droid(OG)
9)Droid Eris-Verizon
10)Palm Pre plus-Verizon
11)Microsoft Kin 2--Verizon
12)Droid Incredible-Verizon
13)Droid X-Verizon
14)Sprint Hero-Sprint
15)HTC Evo-Sprint
16)Sony Xperia X10--At&t
17)Motorola Backflip-At&t
18)Samsung Captivate-At&t
19)HTC Aria-At&t
20)Iphone 3gs-At&t
21)Iphone 4-At&t
22)Samsung Focus-At*t
23)Samsung Vibrant-Tmobile
24)HTC HD2-Tmobile
25)Tmobile G2
And Currently
26)Mytouch 4g-Tmobile
27)HTC HD7-Tmobile
28)Iphone 4-Verizon
Awaiting my 29th device in 3 years
which will either be Sidekick 4g(If i decide to stay with Tmobile and suffer through android) or HTC mozart on Verizon
Android OS:
I love the apps, I love the hardware but the Software to me and it's user experience is so half-done to me. They have amazing hardware and it seems
like Android users settle for that just because they await root to fix an issue
they have...I prefer out of box, everything to work near perfectly. Battery life
has never been an issue. I am heavy user so i expect low battery life.
IOS:
I despise itunes...Even though I love Apple's products. They have the best hardware and a decent experience but Itunes really kills this OS for me. I could
care less about it being closed
Webos:
Horrible hardware, But THE BEST OPERATING SYSTEM I HAVE USED TO DATE. Honestly, I am willing to suffer through the horrible hardware they produce
because the user experience of Webos is amazing with the cards and just
fluidity of it. Love love love, webos but hate any hardware that holds it.
Windows Phone 7:
My favorite and in my opinion best hardware+software/user experience. Yes, Zune is required to Sync pics and what not but it is not as annoying as itunes.
It is definitely more fluid than Android. It lacks multi-tasking, yes but it has a quick restart time for each app. Xbox live integration is great, Social networking is great and the user experience is great. No lag, No having to make sure to delete the cache or make sure this app is closed or that app is closed like on Android. It lacks the customization of android but in reality, i dont need 500 widgets crowding my screen up. I am content with my live tiles and 2 screens.
Battery life is what it is. If you are a power user of course it will die earlier. My friend has a droid x and never actually does anything with it except an occasional text and phone call and gets 30 hours or more.
I text all the time(2000+ daily), I am listening to music, Video chatting or calling someone or just playing a game or watching netflix...I am lucky if i can get 4 hours out of my phone.

And ignore the comments about you being a troll or about your age
LOL people really do not like to hear when you disagree or talk about
their phones. For some reason, it is really important to them like a child.
I do see what you mean. I do tend to get a much better battery life
out of Windows phone 7 and IOS than i do android(most)
Favorite(Best phones)
1)HTC HD7
2)Droid X
3)Iphone 4
4)Tmobile G2
5)Samsung Focus
Worst phones(least favorite)
1)Anything with windows mobile
2)Mytouch 4g
3)HTC Evo
4)Motorola Backflip
5)Droid Eris

sundayhustler said:
I have a MT4G and yes, the battery life does kind of suck. But the phone itself is still amazing and the battery is easy to pop out and replace. So I bought 3 extra batteries and a standalone charger off of ebay for like $14 or so. I just always keep 3 batteries fully charged and swap em out. Problem solved.
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OP, I've got the perfect solution to your battery woes. You can either do like the kid I quoted and by multiple batteries to swap out or, since you seem to be rolling in money and have had a multitude of cell phones you can do like me...
...and instead of buying multiple batteries, buy multiple phones to swap out during the day. ^^^
That's 2 G1's (one is broken) 2 Nexus One's, a Vibrant, a MT4G, the HD7 (I only use that one if I wanna watch Netflix because I found out the hard way that Windows Phone 7 OS sucks ass) and the iPhone 4. (I bought it for ****s and giggles. Never activated it but I did jailbreak it so I use it for the games and music player) Problem solved!

Alright guys lets start with the fact that you guys cannot say I am wrong about the HD2, because of the reason that it is MY opinion. There is nothing wrong about that. I already stated in previous posts that it's all about personal choice. It's just something about me (and I think everyone else) that when I want a certain object in the first 5 mins (Car, Phone, computer, console, etc.) almost nothing can stop that turn on that I have for the next few weeks. If I have 1 cent in my pocket I will go out of my way and find a way to achieve that amount in a very short period of time (no physical work, no begging). Anyway I am getting a lil off topic... What I am saying is that I just walked outside to work out with 100% battery on my phone. After 4 hours of making only about five 2 minute calls and one text, connected to edge, stock MT4G rom. No music, no browsing, nothing. Guess how much battery I had left? 48 ****ing percent. I took a shower and 40 minutes later I have 38% left.
Again, I LOVE android, but the battery kills it for me. Now my stance on WP7? Its interface is great, I researched it a little, I used it a little, but the lack of a large app market kills it for me. Many features are there, but many are missing. I love the WP7 interface, and it looks better than any other OS there, but I know I will get bored of it since I am not going to buy a phone just because of the way it looks.
And calling me spoiled? Never was never will be. Addicted to phones? Never was never will be. Want to have something that could entertain me and last long? Definetely. I know even with an iPhone 4 I will get bored with it. I need change in my life, I'm one of these people who would have a Lamborghini and after two years would have to change it, even if I have to downgrade.
carmeng4evr, you are a little spoiled, and I thought I have alot of phones.
domineus, I have 1 AP class, 3 Honors class, coming to school without a notebook, getting 90+ on every test, getting yelled at for not copying notes, fighting alot in school. Never touched a cig or marijuana in my life. Didn't drink more than 5 mg of alcohol in my entire life (considering one shot of vodka contains atleast 25 mg of liquid, correct me if I am wrong). I never asked for a penny from my parents to buy any gadgets or clothes or just about anything since I was 13. I am a Hair cutter (9 months), web designer, small time stock investor (With my older brother), Phone repairman and dealer, and a graphic designer. That's a little bit of my personality, so you won't say I'm spoiled.
julez456, whatta show off... believe me I don't have more than one or two (which I had only for a short period of time) High-end smartphones at the same time. I sell and buy constantly.
darinmc, You seriously made my day, I laughed for 5 minutes at the shortest post in this thread.
I WILL OBVIOUSLY SELL MY MT4G FOR ATLEAST 350 BEFORE BUYING A $500 (UNLOCKED) IPHONE 4.

Vivd of SGSII

Me and my mother are switching to At&t soon, and I'm kinda stuck. I have an Epic on Sprint now and development is top notch. Miui,cm7,cm9, sense ports are being worked on, its just great. What my issue is, is I can't figure out what phone to get. I'm stuck mostly between the HTC Vivid and the OG SGSII. Development is huge for me, I'm a terrible flashaholic. I NEED good stuff to flash such as cm, miui, and stuff like that. Benchmarks don't matter to me.. but development does.. what do you guys think I should do? I LOVE amoled displays, I'm not sure that an LCD could win me over, but you can try and convince me. Lol
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Personally, i am in the midst of trying to sell my Vivid and get an SGSII
The SGSII is quite a lot faster and has INSANE amount of dev (**** ton of ROMs/MODs)
Personally I'd suggest the SGSII
(Also, wrong forum, should be in General rather then Dev)

Oh ****.. I didn't realized I did that. Now I look like a ghetto noob. FML. Sorry everyone!! But good to know man. Yeah the sgsii has so many roms and stuff.. like holy ish. I thought about the skyrocket but it has like 2 roms. Heck no
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I believe you already answered your own question. No miui, no amoled screen, only a handful of roms at the moment. It sounds like you should go with the SGS II. I truly think the vivid > SGS II but everyone will have their opinions.

samsung screen wasnt impressive nor was the camera....had both vivid and skyrocket gave skyrocket away for a present...kept the lg nitro and got another vivid for development...but to each their own ...build quality the samsung just feels cheap and not made with quality....all plastic everything...i like a heavy phone....went from inspire to vivid...good luck in your choice.
WC

ceasee said:
The SGSII is quite a lot faster and has INSANE amount of dev (**** ton of ROMs/MODs)
Personally I'd suggest the SGSII
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Be care full which version of SGSII you get ,the LTE version or any version with snapdragon is not fast as the one with samsung processor.
But the LTE one for sure will have way better speeds for download , so pick what you use most,

The vivid screen looks way crispier imo. As far as roms all quality in this forum not to mention sense is the bomb.
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I got to admit sense is pretty amazing
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nbunn said:
Me and my mother are switching to At&t soon, and I'm kinda stuck. I have an Epic on Sprint now and development is top notch. Miui,cm7,cm9, sense ports are being worked on, its just great. What my issue is, is I can't figure out what phone to get. I'm stuck mostly between the HTC Vivid and the OG SGSII. Development is huge for me, I'm a terrible flashaholic. I NEED good stuff to flash such as cm, miui, and stuff like that. Benchmarks don't matter to me.. but development does.. what do you guys think I should do? I LOVE amoled displays, I'm not sure that an LCD could win me over, but you can try and convince me. Lol
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No one should convince you what phone to get. Atm the OG SGSII satisfies the requirements you are looking for.
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skyrocket dev is really good too i had both gs2 and gs2 skyrocket on att. Skyrocket devs are working on getting aosp ics on it and plenty of fast themed roms that make the skyrocjet just as fast as the sgs2 plus the lte speeds which are amazing.
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I had the Vivid for 30 days, traded for the galaxy sII for almost 30 days, hated it.. cartoony colors, and no Sense.. which I missed. So now I'm back to the Vivid... I love it and never should have left. But that's my opinion... Just do what feels right

I'm gonna stick to my Vivid until the quad core phones come out this spring. GSII is old and played out now. I'm waiting on the GSIII to be announced hopefully next month than I'm all over it. I'll even buy the international version of GSIII when it comes out instead of waiting 6 months for AT&T to get it. Right now, if nobody is desperate for a new phone, just wait a month until we see whats new at Mobile World Congress being held next month.

I can't speak for the SGSII, but as far as the Vivid goes - it's an adventure to say the least. Definitely gotta vouch for the overall build quality and feel of HTC over the Sammies. Development on the Vivid is coming along, and the ongoing development on the Vivid is very active with updates and interaction happening constantly. I feel like the Vivid development community is getting very close to hitting a key moment, at which time the breakthroughs will explode. Kinda like that moment in watching a movie when you just 'feel' that a key fact is about to be unveiled and the plot all starts to make sense. Just my opinion fwiw; ymmv and others may disagree

It's more about, are you willing to wait for better ROM s and MODs. Personally, I'm an HTC fan all the way and the Vivid is yet another bad ass phone from them. Just because you can flash a ton of stuff to it..doesn't mean you will be happy with it. You basically answered your own question..you can modify the software, but you are stuck with the hardware.
Sent from my HTC... 'nuff said.

I have an HTC Vivid, and I have a friend that has a SGSII, so I have used it alot, and I would have to say that I much prefer my Vivid. Its faster and I like the Sense UI way more than TouchWiz. I also prefer the screen on my Vivid to the SGSII. It just seems brighter and more...well...vivid lol. So, If I had to do it again, I would still get the Vivid.

I think is a matter of preference. I have the skyrocket and bought the wife the white vivid. Here's my opinion I dislike sense it's not that bad I just think is bloated and overly complicated for no reason. Tw is less intrusive. But here's the problem I hate the build quality on the vivid it's too heavy and the screen brakes extremely easy( wifey broke the screen already lol) I preferred the light thing profile on the skyrocket plus the Amoled screen just stand out more. I just hate the feeling of metal on my phone.
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Dxtra said:
I think is a matter of preference. I have the skyrocket and bought the wife the white vivid. Here's my opinion I dislike sense it's not that bad I just think is bloated and overly complicated for no reason. Tw is less intrusive. But here's the problem I hate the build quality on the vivid it's too heavy and the screen brakes extremely easy( wifey broke the screen already lol) I preferred the light thing profile on the skyrocket plus the Amoled screen just stand out more. I just hate the feeling of metal on my phone.
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I had the Skyrocket, but the low resolution and overly saturated cartoony colors put me off.

All I have to say is:
Check the chart - the figures don't lie. I love my Raider!
(Running HoliRaider 1.6 with the 1.5GHz kernel.. but the kicker was installing chainfire 3D and the plugins you can find with our pal google. Also, installing the plugins allowed me to run THD titles flawlessly. Just sayin'...)
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Check the chart - the figures don't lie. I love my Raider!
(Running HoliRaider 1.6 with the 1.5GHz kernel.. but the kicker was installing chainfire 3D and the plugins you can find with our pal google. Also, installing the plugins allowed me to run THD titles flawlessly. Just sayin'...)
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Congrats you beat a stock SGSII
My Telus(same as the T-mobile ver) goes way beyond what you got ..im running underclocked to 1.125ghz kernel and i just got 1112352541142..imagine at 1.5
The dev is tons better for our phone since 4 carriers carry essentially the same phone. HTC phones have dull screens that are poor in sunlight. My friend just got this phone which is why im here lookin up stuff for him, and its not impressive at all.

Rekzer said:
Congrats you beat a stock SGSII
My Telus(same as the T-mobile ver) goes way beyond what you got ..im running underclocked to 1.125ghz kernel and i just got 1112352541142..imagine at 1.5
The dev is tons better for our phone since 4 carriers carry essentially the same phone. HTC phones have dull screens that are poor in sunlight. My friend just got this phone which is why im here lookin up stuff for him, and its not impressive at all.
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The screen on the Raider/Velocity/Vivid is excellent in producing accurate colors. GSII on the other hand is over saturated in color, but I will say it looks bright enough under the sun. Keep in mind that the if the Telus version is the same as the T-Mobile, then it shares the same processor as the Velocity. Performance in reality should be very similar, the difference you are seeing really stems from running a LOWER resolution screen. I personally think that Sense is much better than TouchWiz, but that is why I'm in this part of the forum.
I do think that at 1.5, you would likely get excellent results. Although quite frankly, without LTE radio, Telus really should have gone with the Exynos

The galaxy s4 from the eyes of HTC one user

I just want to start off saying I've had the HTC one since it first launched on sprint and have always loved the phone I usually only run stock aosp based roms on every phone I get however with the ONE I left sense 5 on there for the phones first half of its life before eventually switching to cm10.2 then PAC 4.3 I loved the phone but for some reason I really wanted to c what a bigger screen would b like especially coming from the galaxy nexus and Optimus g with similar size screens so I made the jump I traded my baby for a white gs4
The gs4 screen is amazing! I've only ran 4.3 aosp on it and never plan to have nasty touch wiz on my phone at all everything hardware wise I feel is better than the one the phone feels snappier the screen is obviously larger I've had no complaints the battery life is definitely much better almost everything hardware wise is much better
Downfalls the outside of the phone the plastic and the look overall is less attractive then the beautiful HTC one but to be honest it's worth making the switch in my honest opinion if your looking for more hardware and less looks and if ur like me and just switch phone for few months.. Not to mention it's just a simple even swap from someone else looking for a one

Have fun with your samscum 4 get a crapcphone 5s
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Well, with Sense 5 vs TW... I currently have both and Sense 5 and the One feels smoother overall but haven't used the buggy buggy AOSP ROMs because I personally want stability. Now, the ONLY thing better on the S4 than on the One is easily the fact that I keep LTE signal consistently on the S4 versus lose it on the One.
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Good info. I'm thinking about switching to an S4. I get bored with my phones after a few months
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Can't believe Samsung is still paying people to badmouth HTC
J/K but seriously another One vs S4 thread
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gutrrob said:
Can't believe Samsung is still paying people to badmouth HTC
J/K but seriously another One vs S4 thread
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Yea.....lol htc one is awsome. I dont need to run custom roms sendse 5 is great and TW is the ugliest looking thing besides IOS7
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bro i had the galaxy s4 since it dropped.. so i kno the phone very well.. and i have had this phone for over a month.. the ONLY thing that the s4 has over the one is the pics are a lil more crisp.. and the screen is bigger.. that is all.. trust me.. the one is way smoother just as fast.. and i get great bettery life with my one just like the s4.. touch wiz is ok but sense 5 kills it hands down.. all them stupid things like moving the screen with your eyes is dumb i had the s4 since it dropped and i never used any of that crap.. im not a htc fanboy either i like samsung and htc but the htc one is deff a better phone then the s4.. i kno everyone is diff.. my first smartphone was the og evo 4g.. then evo 3d.. then evo 4g lte.. then i went to sansung got the S3.. then got the S4.. HTC killed it with this phone:good:

Don't bring that sg4 thrash in our house, the HTC one rains supreme hands downs!!
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Yerv Melkonian said:
I just want to start off saying I've had the HTC one since it first launched on sprint and have always loved the phone I usually only run stock aosp based roms on every phone I get however with the ONE I left sense 5 on there for the phones first half of its life before eventually switching to cm10.2 then PAC 4.3 I loved the phone but for some reason I really wanted to c what a bigger screen would b like especially coming from the galaxy nexus and Optimus g with similar size screens so I made the jump I traded my baby for a white gs4
The gs4 screen is amazing! I've only ran 4.3 aosp on it and never plan to have nasty touch wiz on my phone at all everything hardware wise I feel is better than the one the phone feels snappier the screen is obviously larger I've had no complaints the battery life is definitely much better almost everything hardware wise is much better
Downfalls the outside of the phone the plastic and the look overall is less attractive then the beautiful HTC one but to be honest it's worth making the switch in my honest opinion if your looking for more hardware and less looks and if ur like me and just switch phone for few months.. Not to mention it's just a simple even swap from someone else looking for a one
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Man... some third grade grammar lessons could seriously help you a TON!
I doubt the S4 is any 'snappier' since the hardware is nearly the exact same, but everyone has their own opinion. Obviously, you like the S4 more than the One, but I'd honestly be more interested in getting an iPhone 5S over a Galaxy S4. The S4 is just marketed more, but the One is the better phone in my opinion. There would be no reason for me to downgrade to a lesser Android device.

Yes the same friggen chipset... Are you seriously thinking that since the GS4 is stock at 1.9 that it's better? My ONE benches higher than the GS4 any day! It's like .3 inches bigger... Woo I've got more pixels.. I hate that over saturated display.
People like you that have a hard-on for poopsung are probably getting paid to convert people over. Refrain from returning here if you're going to insist that people should switch. People like what they like and leave it at that.
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You know what would be cool? Respecting other people's opinions.
Or something.

sshede said:
You know what would be cool? Respecting other people's opinions.
Or something.
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And obviously people are voicing their opinions as well.
Or something.
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sshede said:
You know what would be cool? Respecting other people's opinions.
Or something.
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You know what would be cooler? Keep the S4 discussion in the S4 forum where people actually care about it and the HTC One discussion in its respective forum.
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ITT: Samsung hate
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sshede said:
You know what would be cool? Respecting other people's opinions.
Or something.
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This.
Or if you cannot respond in a thoughtful way without deliberately trying to provoke aggression, then just don't reply at all.
I hope all of you reacting childishly realize that you're just making fools of yourselves on the internet.

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