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Hello world!
I like the fact that this device will be "waterproof", but a question that's popped up in my head recently is whether or not that applies when using wired headphones too. For example, say you're standing in the middle of the monsoon rains listening to music. Will the headphone "socket" be isolated well enough that the use of headphones is rendered safe & sound, or will we have to use Bluetooth for that purpose?
Hope I get my point across, as I don't really know how to ask this in a decent fashion. :victory:
ninetwozero said:
Hello world!
I like the fact that this device will be "waterproof", but a question that's popped up in my head recently is whether or not that applies when using wired headphones too. For example, say you're standing in the middle of the monsoon rains listening to music. Will the headphone "socket" be isolated well enough that the use of headphones is rendered safe & sound, or will we have to use Bluetooth for that purpose?
Hope I get my point across, as I don't really know how to ask this in a decent fashion. :victory:
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Good question! But I don't know the answer maybe mail Sony
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Unless the bundled headphones are water proof, I wouldn't do that. I think the headphone jack should go so easily, the headphone itself will be ruined.
Once I was washing hands while I was listening to music, and I touched the cable and it went right on the running water. The right ear stopped working. Luckily I was at home and used the hair dryer on the headphone. It isn't still that good (left ear is louder and play more frequencies), but it have to last until I get new headphones.
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No, opening the port flap to the headphone jack invalidates the water resistance. As it's been said before, your headphones probably wouldn't survive much water either.
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Xperia Z may be a advertised water resistant phone but when any of it's port covers are open it's the most prone to stationary water.
If you plug in your headphones indoors than it'll be ok , just don't do this under the rain
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it is risky
i think it will not be "waterproof" any more,
it will be at most "water resistant"
sony xperia z handset's various ports, including the one for its headphones, all feature protective plastic covers that must be unclipped before they can be accessed. - so dont even try ur phone with headset in rain, rather attending a calls and reading messages with ports closed.
source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-CES-2013-The-phone-use-bath-drop-toilet.html
So, the general guess is that it:
loses its waterproofness if I plug in the headphones mid-rain?
...and...
is water-resistant as long as I plug in the headphones when it's not raining?*
* Read: meaning that it won't take damage from getting a drop or two onto the output jack when something is connected
Mail sony and who knows you might even get an interesting reply from them - and can share it to earn brief fame among tech blogs
But u still can buy Sony's waterproof headphones, which cost £60 and go on sale next month
And take a shower safely while listening some music
ljubisa_sk said:
But u still can buy Sony's waterproof headphones, which cost £60 and go on sale next month
And take a shower safely while listening some music
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Do you have a link to it on their website? Couldn't find it for some reason!
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i think you guys are confused about waterproof and water resistance.
heres an article http://boyslife.org/outdoors/askgearguy/9135/waterproof-or-water-resistant/
mainly the xperia z is not a gadget where you could operate under water. thats why there are videos out there of xperia z when you pour water on it the screen starts to act up as if someone is pressing the buttons.
taking a phone to operate under water is a whole new level. there is a reason why sony states 1meter under water for maximum 30 mins. IP57 certified - dust and water resistant. technically speaking, its something for like when you accidentally dropped your phone into a bucket of water and quickly pick it up or talk under the rain should be fine since the screen is off when youre in a phone call.
A lot of ‘waterproof’ electronics are IPX7, which means that they will be OK if you accidentally drop them in a stream and get them out immediately.
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from the site
if the 35mm jack hole is water proof then theres no point for sony to design a cover on top of it.
haha would it work if sound was coming out of the speakers instead? haha...
underwater that is...
LitoNi said:
mainly the xperia z is not a gadget where you could operate under water. thats why there are videos out there of xperia z when you pour water on it the screen starts to act up as if someone is pressing the buttons.
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Any specific reason for it doing so? I've read that it has something to do with it being capacitive, but not completely sure what that actually means in this context.
ninetwozero said:
Any specific reason for it doing so? I've read that it has something to do with it being capacitive, but not completely sure what that actually means in this context.
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This is generally the case with all capacitive touchscreens.
Capacitive touch screens work by using a thin grid of conductive materials on the screen to sense touches from conductive materials, like your finger. Water, obviously being highly conductive, messes it up quite badly.
This is why you generally can't use any capacitive touchscreen when it's wet; even a drop will usually make the screen freak out and sense touches that aren't being made.
I heard that the XZ has some tech that helps it sense fingers over drops of water (ie, just taken out of water), but it's probably not smart enough to handle being completely submerged. That would be my guess.
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This is generally the case with all capacitive touchscreens.
Capacitive touch screens work by using a thin grid of conductive materials on the screen to sense touches from conductive materials, like your finger. Water, obviously being highly conductive, messes it up quite badly.
This is why you generally can't use any capacitive touchscreen when it's wet; even a drop will usually make the screen freak out and sense touches that aren't being made.
I heard that the XZ has some tech that helps it sense fingers over drops of water (ie, just taken out of water), but it's probably not smart enough to handle being completely submerged. That would be my guess.
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Completely right.
Over all taking pictures under water will be great option with this phone,
But I'm interested what if water finds a way into the device will the guaranty be void then?
ljubisa_sk said:
Over all taking pictures under water will be great option with this phone,
But I'm interested what if water finds a way into the device will the guaranty be void then?
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Probably, yes, as you'd have to prove the you had put on all the lids and things like that.
why there's no one think this way!!
get a bluetooth waterproof headset and you can listening your music under the rain (even without using umbrella)..
Hi !
I'm kinda spooked about not getting my water sensor triggered when listening to music and it's raining . Does anyone know if the water sensor is also sensible to other things , like glue or something ? I was thinking to cover up that part with some scotch tape . Any other methods ?
fookea said:
Hi !
I'm kinda spooked about not getting my water sensor triggered when listening to music and it's raining . Does anyone know if the water sensor is also sensible to other things , like glue or something ? I was thinking to cover up that part with some scotch tape . Any other methods ?
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Wait wut???
What sensor are you talking about? There is no such thing on the phone^^
Dsteppa said:
Wait wut???
What sensor are you talking about? There is no such thing on the phone^^
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Under the flaps there is a little white strip that is supposed to be a water sensor thingy mobob
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Under the flaps there is a little white strip that is supposed to be a water sensor thingy mobob
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Might pay to change your question,
The water resistance flaps that trigger the water resistance warning. Only once you uplug a device that was connected.
It is not a sensor as much as a hardware triggered event that the hardware was removed therefore a reminder that the flaps will still be open.
To prove this theory you can open and close the flaps all day and will not get any warning, the moment you remove the sdcard, headphones, charger the event will be triggered.
I don't understand what you are trying to ask, exactly.
as ojstagg pointed , under the flaps there are small white pieces of reactive paper . if they are touched by humidity or water , they get red => no more warranty . it's kinda stupid that they placed it NEAR the headphone jack and not inside...
Basically the sensors are there only to void warranty if the phone has water damage due to flaps being open at the time.
I have been using the xperia z with the headphone flap open in the rain, and the white strip is still white. I think colour would only change when submerged in water after a certain amount of time.
it's not a Tampax.
I think the sensor actually needs to soak in water for a certain period before it changes colour, however Iam not about to prove this theory.
Hoped I helped you to be at ease when listening to music in the rain................... I haven't have I?
Best thing for xperia z owners to do, is buy the Sony charging dock and that new Sony headphone Bluetooth thing. That way we would hardly ever need to open these flaps again.
If only they were f*****g available,
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I don't think so . at least my old iphone 3gs got a drop of water on the sensor and bang , got red. Though you might be right ... and I could be another type of sensor :-s
Dock and Bluetooth headset is the only way.
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yea whell I was hoping to avoid that )
fookea said:
as ojstagg pointed , under the flaps there are small white pieces of reactive paper . if they are touched by humidity or water , they get red => no more warranty . it's kinda stupid that they placed it NEAR the headphone jack and not inside...
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Maybe you could ask the dude, that got drunk and was showing off his phone to his mates that forgot to put the flaps closed before dunking the phone
I also thought that.
My post Headphone water damage sensor
I know you've seen it but just an update that I'm currently using a small bit of tape to cover it that can be easily removed. I use my headphones a lot and all I needed was one drop of rain to land on it an there goes the warranty.
ok so the tape didn't interact with the white paper , right ? cool i'll cover it too then
As titled. I feel kind of cheated, as the water detection strip while underneath the flap but is not placed in a "fair" position, at least I don't think...
Long story short, the water detection strip next to the headphone jack is now red because I had the flap opened with the headphone plugged in and a bit of rain dropped onto the strip. It is a design flaw, at least in my eyes, as it is too exposed - should really have the strip INSIDE the headphone jack like the iPhone for fair water detection. Anyway, I'm not top pleased, and wondering if a bleach can help? Or any other methods?
Thanks in advance!!
Lord Farkward said:
As titled. I feel kind of cheated, as the water detection strip while underneath the flap but is not placed in a "fair" position, at least I don't think...
Long story short, the water detection strip next to the headphone jack is now red because I had the flap opened with the headphone plugged in and a bit of rain dropped onto the strip. It is a design flaw, at least in my eyes, as it is too exposed - should really have the strip INSIDE the headphone jack like the iPhone for fair water detection. Anyway, I'm not top pleased, and wondering if a bleach can help? Or any other methods?
Thanks in advance!!
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i have heard somewhere on here that bleach did work just put a bit on a cotton bud and just dab not rub and see if it works (whats the wost that can happen)
Try it out
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brockyneo said:
i have heard somewhere on here that bleach did work just put a bit on a cotton bud and just dab not rub and see if it works (whats the wost that can happen)
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Well i don't know, that's why I asked... was afraid it might turn black or something due to some special chemical reaction and was generally wondering if there're other methods of turning it back to white... :crying:
Dab some liquid paper on it
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Lord Farkward said:
Well i don't know, that's why I asked... was afraid it might turn black or something due to some special chemical reaction and was generally wondering if there're other methods of turning it back to white... :crying:
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Really at the end of the day, as horrible as it might sound your warranty many be compromised already with the strip being any colour apart from white.
There is also the possibility that Sony have something similar inside the phone to detect water entering the internals
Lord Farkward said:
Well i don't know, that's why I asked... was afraid it might turn black or something due to some special chemical reaction and was generally wondering if there're other methods of turning it back to white... :crying:
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I remember bleach working on my one XL. only a tiny amount though, let us now how it goes.
Lord Farkward said:
As titled. I feel kind of cheated, as the water detection strip while underneath the flap but is not placed in a "fair" position, at least I don't think...
Long story short, the water detection strip next to the headphone jack is now red because I had the flap opened with the headphone plugged in and a bit of rain dropped onto the strip. It is a design flaw, at least in my eyes, as it is too exposed - should really have the strip INSIDE the headphone jack like the iPhone for fair water detection. Anyway, I'm not top pleased, and wondering if a bleach can help? Or any other methods?
Thanks in advance!!
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I would contact them and ask, they may be more understanding than you think and ask you to send it in and have it checked and strip replaced if it is ok. Try and phone, they tend to be less scripted etc (this is UK at least, don't know for other countries Xperia helplines).
take it to a small licenced warranty repair shop if there is any around your area.
My old school Sony Ericsson walkman was fixed when water damaged because they get more money from it being a warranty repair then just being paid for labour and parts..
You got it wet, it's fact.
But this does not mean they won't do a warranty repair.
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Thanks for all the replies. Well, I tried, and the bleach turned it back to white
However, I wasn't being careful enough, as when I tried dipping a soaked cotton bud onto the strip, some of the solution went astray and may have came into contact with the copper-part of the earphone jack. Even after it had been dried out, the earphone jack couldn't detect my earphones anymore and playing music with my headphones in resulted in music playing through the phone's speakers instead.
Anyway, long story short, I thought I might as well bring the phone to the repair center and give it a go and see what they'll say. 4 hours later, they gave the phone back to me, with the earphone jack now working (all they did was update software to 253...), and said nothing about the phone being in contact with water. So....... kind of a success, I guess? What's bothering me now is still that I don't know why the earphone jack stopped working... It should be hardware-related, yet a software updated fixed it... hmmm....
They probably just replaced. the Jack and upgraded the software. to be sure
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which bleach you used ?
yeah, bleach works, tried it before, apply with q-tip
My xperia Z has been exposed to tiny amount of fluid through the headphone jack, im using stock rom, but with doomkernel v9, after exposed to the little amount of fluid, it suddenly shut down and turn on again, but then the rom appear what it says at the bottom left "Safe Mode", at first i thought theres nothing to worry about, just reboot then everything back to normal... but when i done that, the LED indicator show Red color, vibrate once, few second later it vibrate 3 times and it begins to do that over and over again without even entering the boot screen... now i cant get the rom booted... Help me, what must i do?? Can i get it to work again by drying it up using a hair dryer???
It's dead, red LED, vibrate > 2 sec > 3x vibrate and reboot is an unrecoverable hardware fault.
Whatever you do, don't use heat. Put it in a bowl of dry rice with all flaps open for a day or two to absorb the liquid. If that doesn't help there is nothing to do.
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leave it in rice for a few weeks since its water resistant it will tak longer to absorb anything.
Copypasta from another thread I posted in:
Vacuum/hair-dryer are both bad ideas for electronics. The vacuum is bad because it creates a lot of static electricity, and the hair-dryer because, obviously, it heats the phone up to high temperatures.
What you should do immediately is to turn it off (hold Power and Volume up until it vibrates thrice), open all the flaps and put the phone in a bag of rice, letting the rice absorb the water for around a week or so (or at the very least 3-4 days), preferably with a drained/removed battery but this isn't really an option with Xperia Z. After this you need to make sure to get all the rice out before closing the flaps and starting it up.
Fingers crossed nothing has short circuited and/or corroded yet!
Please note: leave the phone in the rice for at least a full week with all flaps open and removable components taken out.
Thanks for the reply guys, and yeah old tricks using a bag of rice... erm, does a silica gel helps, because im using it now... hopefully...
killgrozrism said:
Thanks for the reply guys, and yeah old tricks using a bag of rice... erm, does a silica gel helps, because im using it now... hopefully...
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The silica should work better than the rice.
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XperienceD said:
The silica should work better than the rice.
...Sent from Zed
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Owh ****! I really hate this kinda situation... really got me down and depressing...
killgrozrism said:
Owh ****! I really hate this kinda situation... really got me down and depressing...
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Hope it's OK. And yeah, as he said, the silica will work even better that's what it's designed for after all.
Why is nobody putting forward the fact that the OP's phone might be permanently damaged? It was powered on with fluid inside it, which may have shorted out some critical components.
In that case, no amount of time in rice or silica will do any good.
Edit, I see Rekoil mentioned shorting/corrosion above. While getting the phone near absorbent material quickly may prevent corrosion, it's likely that any shorting out of components would have happened instantly. I hope the OP's phone isn't destroyed, but I wouldn't hold much hope for it as powering on a device with fluid inside it is pretty much the worst thing that you can do.
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kingvortex said:
Why is nobody putting forward the fact that the OP's phone might be permanently damaged? It was powered on with fluid inside it, which may have shorted out some critical components.
In that case, no amount of time in rice or silica will do any good.
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Because OP probably knows that and it would be of no use to discuss it?
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Because OP probably knows that and it would be of no use to discuss it?
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You'd think. But then you'd think that sense would dictate immediately powering off the device in the situation they were in.
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kingvortex said:
You'd think. But then you'd think that sense would dictate immediately powering off the device in the situation they were in.
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You gotta learn one way or another.
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You gotta learn one way or another.
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The possible loss of a really expensive phone is a hard lesson to learn, but yes I agree that everyone learns somehow.
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Lesson learn, dont take for granted the water resistant features... Hope ill be able to get my phone to boot again by trying out the rice/silica method... Thanks y'all!
I've had exactly ther same problem with my Z.
The jack connector with the water sensor is really bad placed!
I've listened to music under the rain with an umbrella, i've just taken one drop directly on the sensor, so now i've the detector totally red but my phone works perfectly, when i've contacted Sony they said that not taking in charge of warranty :'(
Just be carefull with your phone if you're listening to music with this jack connector or use blutooth headset.
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Lesson learn, dont take for granted the water resistant features... Hope ill be able to get my phone to boot again by trying out the rice/silica method... Thanks y'all!
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Don't take them for granted, but that doesn't mean they are completely unreliable. Just really make sure the flaps are closed and you'll be fine.
QualQuek said:
I've had exactly ther same problem with my Z.
The jack connector with the water sensor is really bad placed!
I've listened to music under the rain with an umbrella, i've just taken one drop directly on the sensor, so now i've the detector totally red but my phone works perfectly, when i've contacted Sony they said that not taking in charge of warranty :'(
Just be carefull with your phone if you're listening to music with this jack connector or use blutooth headset.
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Getting a Bluetooth headset was a pretty obvious decision for me I must say.
QualQuek said:
I've had exactly ther same problem with my Z.
The jack connector with the water sensor is really bad placed!
I've listened to music under the rain with an umbrella, i've just taken one drop directly on the sensor, so now i've the detector totally red but my phone works perfectly, when i've contacted Sony they said that not taking in charge of warranty :'(
Just be carefull with your phone if you're listening to music with this jack connector or use blutooth headset.
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While I agree with the sentiment that you should indeed be careful with the phone, the water ingress tape is in exactly the right place. The water resistance is compromised with the flap open (even with headphones connected), therefore the tape is positioned to indicate that the flap was open when contact with water was made
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While I agree with the sentiment that you should indeed be careful with the phone, the water ingress tape is in exactly the right place. The water resistance is compromised with the flap open (even with headphones connected), therefore the tape is positioned to indicate that the flap was open when contact with water was made
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Which is why this is such a good idea for this reason as well.
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Don't take them for granted, but that doesn't mean they are completely unreliable. Just really make sure the flaps are closed and you'll be fine.
Getting a Bluetooth headset was a pretty obvious decision for me I must say.
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Indeed that a wise choice, sadly i've bought with my a Bose OE2 in same time as my Xperia Z...
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Indeed that a wise choice, sadly i've bought with my a Bose OE2 in same time as my Xperia Z...
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So buy a Sony SBH50 or something. That way you can use your regular headphones and still not have to open the flap for them.
Hi all!
Does anyone else think that the Xperia Z1's LED notification light is dim?
Well, does anyone also have dirt in there obtruding even more so it's even dimmer than it should be?
Right now it looks like my LED light at the top is split in two halves, as there's a relatively large piece of dirt stuck in the middle. Still water doesn't get rid of it, and I'm not going to try pressurized water either :silly:
Has anyone else experienced and fixed this minor annoyance? I'm not going to try to poke it out with a needle either, I might just break the waterproof membrane for the earpiece.
As a side note/question, does anyone have a schematic of how the LED notification light and earpiece are positioned in the device? I've been wondering ever since I got the Z1, since it looks like the LED light is reflected by the plastic out of the device. Just out of curiosity of course :cyclops:
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The following has been suggested to use:
- A soft toothbrush (be careful not to ruin the waterproof membrane)
- A tiny piece of cloth
- Paper (if the dust or dirt isn't too far in)
- Can of air, in case the dirt isn't too stuck
- ...
Have you try with soft brush + water?
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Have you try with soft brush + water?
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I prefer not to use any kind of brush, I'm afraid it might ruin the waterproof membrane.
Although it's probably just fine to use one carefully, I really don't want to risk my most expensive device I've got.
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I prefer not to use any kind of brush, I'm afraid it might ruin the waterproof membrane.
Although it's probably just fine to use one carefully, I really don't want to risk my most expensive device I've got.
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Toothpick + tissue?
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Vacuum it
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I have sensitive teeth so I use soft teeth brushes. The old ones I use for cleaning small things, like my Z1's earpiece.
BTW You are right. The LED is located just above the Sony logo and the case reflects the light and that is a good reason of why I have chosen a White phone over the black one. The white Z1 (And Z2 too) have a brighter light.
I will use an Air Gun with 10 bars pressure and shot directly on the led!! (just kidding) ..lol..
Compressed air, toothbrush, water, cloth.
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I use the corner of a piece of paper. That works great.
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Just today I tried using a single toothbrush hair, though it didn't feel good to me.
I think there was a lump of dust stuck deep inside the LED area, and I had a hard time getting rid of it. I just hope I didn't somehow break the waterproof membrane :silly:
Oh and paper wouldn't have worked in my case, as it was too deep in (that's what she said?) and paper would've been too large too. There's still a lot of dust in the area but I'll just keep it this way. Or perhaps I'll try to dump water in the area to see if that helps (really hope the membrane is OK). I haven't found any good way of cleaning the LED area though, so any other ideas are welcome!
Can of air is doing the trick for me!
the led has to reflect off the black plastic. I glued a tiny bit of tinfoil onto the reflecting surface and now its twice as bright