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Scary....device used by police can scan your cellphone

I hope our Vibrants aren't one of the 3000 that can be scanned by this!
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/34/3458.asp

After briefly searching the manufacturers website it does look like our phone is on the list..... However, looks like the only way they can suck out the data (pictures, SMS, sim contents, browser cache, etc) is via a cable. (not wirelessly like some other phones)
http://www.cellebrite.com/
Their brochure even says they can retrieve deleted information and geo stats of where you have been!

We don't do this in my city or in any of my neighboring cities.
It is a violation of the 4th admendment.

What would be the point of this?
I fail to see how they would benefit. Especially when it may not hold up in court.

singlebyte said:
After briefly searching the manufacturers website it does look like our phone is on the list..... However, looks like the only way they can suck out the data (pictures, SMS, sim contents, browser cache, etc) is via a cable. (not wirelessly like some other phones)
http://www.cellebrite.com/
Their brochure even says they can retrieve deleted information and geo stats of where you have been!
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Some of these claims sound a bit like "marketing speak".
Not all the things it claims to do will work on all devices. I reckon that one device might support the dumping of GPS stuff (iPhone perhaps given the recent news headlines? ) (btw I'm joking about the iPhone).

all phones sold after ~2002 must be able to do it in compliance with the freedom of information act introduced in 2001
I wouldnt get my hopes up

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What would be the point of this?
I fail to see how they would benefit. Especially when it may not hold up in court.
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If you willingly give up your phone to be scanned, even if you got nothing to hide, you've waivered your 4th Amendment Rights. Any and all information can and will be used against you as I have yet to meet a cop who didn't treat the average citizen as guilty till proven guilty. Accessing your phone data is like data mining your facebook page and more looking for anything suspicious about your character which could give them "probable cause" for other things. Got pics of you and your friends partying? Now they have a reason to administer the drunk driver test and/or a breathalizer. Got pics of you and your dad hunting? Now they're going to detain you and search you car for guns (they'd do that here in NJ). Your gps data shows you doing 5 or 10mph over the speed limit? Instant speeding ticket. Time stamps on your SMS messages coincide while you where driving (even if you had a passanger using your phone its still your phone) instant moving violation.
That's the whole point to this, to find probable cause in order to convict people of crimes. There is only two ways to thwart this: do not consent to a warrentless search and keep your data encrypted to protect yourself from a forced warrentless search.
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Ron Overdrive said:
If you willingly give up your phone to be scanned, even if you got nothing to hide, you've waivered your 4th Amendment Rights. Any and all information can and will be used against you as I have yet to meet a cop who didn't treat the average citizen as guilty till proven guilty. Accessing your phone data is like data mining your facebook page and more looking for anything suspicious about your character which could give them "probable cause" for other things. Got pics of you and your friends partying? Now they have a reason to administer the drunk driver test and/or a breathalizer. Got pics of you and your dad hunting? Now they're going to detain you and search you car for guns (they'd do that here in NJ). Your gps data shows you doing 5 or 10mph over the speed limit? Instant speeding ticket. Time stamps on your SMS messages coincide while you where driving (even if you had a passanger using your phone its still your phone) instant moving violation.
That's the whole point to this, to find probable cause in order to convict people of crimes. There is only two ways to thwart this: do not consent to a warrentless search and keep your data encrypted to protect yourself from a forced warrentless search.
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One word for you: Paranoid...
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One word for you: Paranoid...
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Not really. (at least in New Jersey) if you have that point of view there is good reason for it. In some of the quieter counties (Sussex, Warren ect) the cops actually have been known to do this kind of stuff. In Hudson county (where I live) it's less likely but not unheard of.
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One word for you: Paranoid...
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one word , oh , two words : ignorant fool
by the way , ur rite theres nothing to be afraid of if you spend all ur life watching sitcoms and drinking beer

I feel sorry for our friends across the pond. The police state of America is becoming less like the land of the free and more like an Orwellian novel with every day that passes.
Ben Franklin wrote, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

I'm not originally from the US but based on what I'm seeing today, policemen here are way better than my previous home. In my previous country it's all about money, when you have a violation about traffic they'll get money from you and put it directly to their pockets.
If you don't give them money they'll found a way to get you arrested, the worst thing that they can do is secretly put prohibited drugs inside your car without you knowing it then accuse you with that. A very sad thing but it is true, good thing is I now live in the US.
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simple answer
get anything in your phone that can transmit wireless and zap it with a tazer
so thats most likely the CPU and it would be about the same effect as melting your phone. but cooler

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loooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
i think it'd do better job placed on the other end of the phone , so they cant plug it in

BlackBerry is a horrible company that sells out its users

the London riots, BlackBerry offered all blackberry user's GPS logs to the police, so that they could track who was near the riots, so they could turn them over to the police. what a HUGE invasion of privacy, selling out its loyal customers like that..
im sure some of you will say its for a greater good, bull****, first of all this information will only tell you who was near the riot, not who was involved, so lots of innocents will be prosecuted. secondly, theres never a reason good enough that anyone should willingly give up their privacy to the government.
fortunately for people who want to protect their rights, TeaMp0isoN hacked BlackBerry's website, telling them if they do sellout users information to the police, BlackBerry will release all BlackBerry's higher up's information to the public. a very fair deal, and justice done by TeaMp0isoN. TeaMp0isoN also pointed out, the police cant even help themselves right now, so BlackBerry should not look to the police to protect them if they choose to sell out their users.
what are your guys thoughts on this?

soraxd said:
the London riots, BlackBerry offered all blackberry user's GPS logs to the police, so that they could track who was near the riots, so they could turn them over to the police. what a HUGE invasion of privacy, selling out its loyal customers like that..
im sure some of you will say its for a greater good, bull****, first of all this information will only tell you who was near the riot, not who was involved, so lots of innocents will be prosecuted. secondly, theres never a reason good enough that anyone should willingly give up their privacy to the government.
fortunately for people who want to protect their rights, TeaMp0isoN hacked BlackBerry's website, telling them if they do sellout users information to the police, BlackBerry will release all BlackBerry's higher up's information to the public. a very fair deal, and justice done by TeaMp0isoN. TeaMp0isoN also pointed out, the police cant even help themselves right now, so BlackBerry should not look to the police to protect them if they choose to sell out their users.
what are your guys thoughts on this?
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good thing too
also note that facebook and twitter did as well

If you think they will use gps location to prosecute...you are a fool. It will be used for gathering witnesses and information. As far as rights go, it is not a violation of rights. Your rights stop where anothers begin. So you do not have the right to say or do whatever you want if it effects someone elses rights. The police should shoot the rioters on site.

Handing over the gps position is kind of silly unless they are only using it for predictive measures to see where a lot of them are gathered. But even then unless it is cross referenced with messages that suggest a target near the gps position its only an invasion of privacy.
If anything, what bb should have done was suspend the bbm service in the uk area to break the organization of the riots. That should give the police the edge they may need. Any service lost could be either refunded in money or some sort of compensation.
I understand the youth in the uk are fed up with in justice but this method kinda only hurts them in the future. That being said how else do you get the politicians attention for positive change? A lot kf riots are happening all over the place ever since the economic down turn in the states. The states still has somd way to fall so we should be expecting more riots as the riots continue to move to the west.
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the police can do whatever they want, they will anyway. but blackberry should do what theyre supposed to do, and offer phone service. not try to play some sort of hero by selling out its users. its a gigantic step twards giving up our rights. black berry should only give up this sort of information if theyre subpoenaed. not be so willing to sell out its users, and that goes for any cause.

soraxd said:
the police can do whatever they want, they will anyway. but blackberry should do what theyre supposed to do, and offer phone service. not try to play some sort of hero by selling out its users. its a gigantic step twards giving up our rights. black berry should only give up this sort of information if theyre subpoenaed. not be so willing to sell out its users, and that goes for any cause.
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its just a public limited legal entity, albeit in canada, which is compelled by the law
I am sure they don't want to become a martr for a bunch of sick thieving thugs

soraxd said:
the police can do whatever they want, they will anyway. but blackberry should do what theyre supposed to do, and offer phone service. not try to play some sort of hero by selling out its users. its a gigantic step twards giving up our rights. black berry should only give up this sort of information if theyre subpoenaed. not be so willing to sell out its users, and that goes for any cause.
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Tell that bollocks to the people who have nowhere to live because a bunch of looting scumbacks decided to have some fun and burn their homes down.
Well done blackberry!
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In the case of a serious issue such as rioting, all measures should be utilized to contain the situation. Too many innocent people are feeling the pain of the situation. So f*ck their privacy.

So? We already knew that. Another rant topic with no new information to add.

Tone_ said:
Tell that bollocks to the people who have nowhere to live because a bunch of looting scumbacks decided to have some fun and burn their homes down.
Well done blackberry!
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In the case of a serious issue such as rioting, all measures should be utilized to contain the situation. Too many innocent people are feeling the pain of the situation. So f*ck their privacy.
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Couldn't have said it better myself!

This is a bit off-topic, but when will people learn that BlackBerry is NOT a company?
It is simply a brand name under the company Research in Motion (RIM)
lol, anyways, back on topic.. (even though we're in the OT forum..)
I agree with the poster above. Anything and everything should be done to control these riots. If you're out destroying innocent peoples property just for the hell of it, F*ck your rights. That's what I say.

Wow! Steve Jobs drove without plates

http://www.thespec.com/news/article/615788--how-steve-jobs-drove-without-plates
Jobs found a loophole in California vehicle laws and simply took advantage of it.
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how typical, and he has the balls to go after google/samsung for finding their loop holes?

I hated steve jobs but that's actually pretty funny.

That's no big deal. If some idiot wants to keep paying taxes on a new car every 6 months, that's more money for the local government than the price of the tags. Remember that the taxes on the whole vehicle are paid at the time of the vehicle's actual sale, which means right before the vehicle is driven off the lot.
Remember that California has a sales tax rate of 7.75%, so every 6 months, they get to charge $10230.00 in sales tax. When the vehicle gets flipped 6 months later, they get to nail it for sales tax a second time.
Basically, this idiot was paying more than $20000 per year just to drive without plates. The average price of a new car in the US is under $30000, also known as 18 months of driving without plates for stupidface.
Sorry, but this MORON didn't find any loophole. He found a hole to shove money into by the wheelbarrow.

dhkr234 said:
That's no big deal. If some idiot wants to keep paying taxes on a new car every 6 months, that's more money for the local government than the price of the tags. Remember that the taxes on the whole vehicle are paid at the time of the vehicle's actual sale, which means right before the vehicle is driven off the lot.
Remember that California has a sales tax rate of 7.75%, so every 6 months, they get to charge $10230.00 in sales tax. When the vehicle gets flipped 6 months later, they get to nail it for sales tax a second time.
Basically, this idiot was paying more than $20000 per year just to drive without plates. The average price of a new car in the US is under $30000, also known as 18 months of driving without plates for stupidface.
Sorry, but this MORON didn't find any loophole. He found a hole to shove money into by the wheelbarrow.
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Yeah - absolutely right, unless he leased it, which is says in the article he did.

I don't get the logic behind allowing 6 months to get plates.

xaccers said:
I don't get the logic behind allowing 6 months to get plates.
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Trying to think of a joke about roundabouts and living in a grid system, but having no luck. Guess I just have to agree!

Archer said:
Yeah - absolutely right, unless he leased it, which is says in the article he did.
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Yes, he leased a "new" (identical) car every 6 month.

Archer said:
Trying to think of a joke about roundabouts and living in a grid system, but having no luck. Guess I just have to agree!
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MK's grid system makes an excellent rally course (as seen on Road Wars)
I wonder if sales tax is applicable to leases, or company purchases?
As for jokes: People from MK are so 'ard, even their cows are made of concrete!
Didn't say it had to be a good joke...

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People from MK are so 'ard, even their cows are made of concrete!
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Hahaha - that's actually good. And in all seriousness, I really do like the grid thing. 1st time I went to Milton Keynes I had a letter and a number and a street name and found the place straight away. I really does make things very easy.
Milton Keynes road system FTW!
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Hahaha - that's actually good. And in all seriousness, I really do like the grid thing. 1st time I went to Milton Keynes I had a letter and a number and a street name and found the place straight away. I really does make things very easy.
Milton Keynes road system FTW!
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It works great as long as you ignore that some of the H roads go vertical and some of the V go horizontal.
The main utilities are buried in the banks either side of the roads so traffic doesn't have to be delayed by roadworks.
The grid wasn't the first design though. Originally the plan was a 4 leaf clover layout, with a monorail around the border. How cool would that have been?
No home was to be more than a 5 minute walk from a bus stop, and 15 minutes from a monorail stop.
Way too expensive though so they dropped it.
They did, back in the 50s/60s foresee a time when homes would have more than one car which is pretty foward thinking for the time.
Although they forgot about the need for a hospital or firestation!
New home owners were given a voucher to buy and plant a tree, resulting in hundreds of trees needing to be ripped up 20-30 years later due to growing too close to roads/buildings etc.
"Note for Americans and other aliens: Milton Keynes is a new city approximately halfway between London and Birmingham. It was built to be modern, efficient, healthy, and, all in all, a pleasant place to live. Many Britons find this amusing." -Good Omens

I like the idea, but wow its easy to get lost when there xD
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And just imagine, how many chinese children has died in Foxconn sweatshops just to buy Uncle Steve a merc every six months

Should there be a maximum age for driving?

Maybe require them to take an annual driver-certification test of some kind after a certain age?
See http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...hits-9-children-while-backing-up-his-car.html

Yes, definitely. Here (in norway) people that are 70+ years old must have a "medical certificate" from their doctor, and they have to see their doctor once a year. If their doctor says that they're not fit to drive then that'll be it. Doesn't eliminate the dangers, but it's a start.

Look up driving and accident statistics anywhere in the state of Florida and you'll have a definitive answer. There is something truly frightening about seeing a 90 year old person behind the wheel of a Suburban or Excursion. Especially when they are so hunched over from arthritis that their only line of sight is looking under the steering wheel and over the dash. We called them Q-Tip drivers, since the only thing you could see was a puff of white hair. If you've seen Ferris Bueller you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.
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I think drivers should have to retake the entire driving test every time or two they renew their license. That way it doesn't discriminate any group of people, and will eliminate everyone who doesn't know how to drive, not just the older people.
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How about a mandatory retake of drivers ed courses for people who get in more than two accidents in five years?

It sounds good in principle, but I have literally seen DMV employees guiding elderly people through the vision test. I think people here regard driving as a right, not as a privilege and responsibility.
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Neontc said:
I think drivers should have to retake the entire driving test every time or two they renew their license. That way it doesn't discriminate any group of people, and will eliminate everyone who doesn't know how to drive, not just the older people.
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Cost a lot of money, and the lines will be astronomical. To take the drivers road test here in Nevada, I had to schedule it 7 weeks in advance.

well any age that can drive while holding a can of beer in the other seems good to me,

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I think people here regard driving as a right, not as a privilege and responsibility.
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+1. Then, there are the cases of old people driving their cars through buildings (they mistake the accelerator for the brake, in a parking lot, when they start their car). I guess when people get old, everything looks the same.
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Yes I live in Florida as well. I lost my driver side mirror because some old ass guy decided he didn't like the lane he was in. To bad I was right next to him and he just starts moving over. Luckily I quick enough to act and he only took out my mirror. I see waaay to many old fools that should not be driving.
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This is what I thought of when I saw this thread.
I dont think there should be no questions asked cut off age, not everybody ages equally. But for sure tests should be administered after a certain age, if you cant pass the test you shouldn't drive..

I think having to get a doctor's release to drive after a certain age makes the most sense. It's not about age, really, but the mental and physical competency that degrades with age.

Maybe not a max age but they def need to get better at screening with age. I mean, WTF, they are so mean there to everyone at the DMV so why are they being " nice" and letting our old folks get renewed when they shouldn't lol
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Definitely should be or least re-test after a certain age

Every summer, Southern California sees a temporary influx of old retirees from Arizona. They drive at very slow speeds on the fast lane of our freeways. We just love them for that :^)
Some Californians call this phenomenon "The invasion of the Zonies".

i just had to bring this up
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Oh god yes. Please. Senior drives are as dangerous as, if not more so than, junior drivers.
Going 50 and overtaking!!! on the bloody Autobahn, are you f*cking kidding me... Or just randomly slamming on the breaks in the middle of a corner. Or crossing the intersection without even so much as noticing all the oncoming traffic!
67. (pension-age) After that, every 5 years a re-exam. If you fail, get used to taking a cab.

I think so...
Seen this discussion on a lot of car forums.
I'm a bit neutral as far as opinion.
Some drivers are inherently incapable all thru their driving years then some are careful responsible till the end.
Now that I'm closing in on 60 I'm way more intolerant of others.
In the past I was a very angry aggressive driver...I never got anywhere faster than anybody else.
Haven't really slowed down, I just do my best to be safe and sane with constant self checks when driving.

Samsung and Child Labor in China

This is an email that I received from change.org. I find it quite startling.
My name is Li Qiang and I lead a group called China Labor Watch that investigates and exposes worker exploitation. As a rights lawyer committed to knowing every detail of China's labor laws -- and how they're ignored and broken -- I was shocked when I learned what's happening in the Chinese factories supplying electronic giant Samsung.
Children as young as 14 years old work 11 hour night shifts, 28 days a month and are denied medical care and even pay.
The exploitation of workers at Samsung's supplier factories must stop now -- and I'm confident that if enough people speak out, the tech giant will be forced to respond just like Apple had to earlier this year.
I started a petition on Change.org calling on Samsung to end worker abuse in the factories making its products. Click here to sign my petition now.
When 14-year-old Xiaofang (an alias, for her protection) got hurt after she fell down a flight of stairs at the factory, the owners and managers wouldn't even let her see a doctor. They wouldn't give her sick leave to recover and docked 6 days of her pay. Then, she was fired without any compensation.
Our investigators heard dozens of similar accounts from employees at the factory --even workers being hit by managers or forced to stand all day as punishment for a mistake. In addition to laboring in dangerous conditions every day, we discovered that children like Xiaofang working in this Chinese factory are paid only 70% of what adults are paid. The factory owners know it, but create fake IDs for the children and exploit them with lower pay and part-time hours so the authorities won't find out.
A few months ago, I saw the tremendous impact that a petition on Change.org had when it called for Apple to improve conditions in a supplier's factory. More than 250,000 people signed that petition, started by an Apple customer in Washington, DC. It was also covered by worldwide news media extensively. And in the end, Apple listened. When we found out about the horrific working conditions at Samsung's supplier factory, I knew we had to start a petition on Change.org right away.
I'm confident we can make a difference in the lives of these workers and in the way Samsung's products are made. Please click here and sign my petition calling on Samsung to stop labor abuse in factories making its products now.
Thank you.
- Li Qiang Executive Director, China Labor Watch
I love Samsung's products, but this isn't right. Sign the petition of you agree! Link - http://www.change.org/petitions/sam...campaign=10982&alert_id=JVUbGCTRtt_QLvUhQeLDP

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Leo, don't I see you in the i777 threads or am I mistaken?
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Leo, don't I see you in the i777 threads or am I mistaken?
Sent from your mom.
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I own a nexus s and a Samsung infuse. Yeah I'm a terrible person.
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I own a nexus s and a Samsung infuse. Yeah I'm a terrible person.
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No no, not trolling. I recognized you user name, but I'm not sure where I've seen you here.
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No no, not trolling. I recognized you user name, but I'm not sure where I've seen you here.
Sent from your mom.
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Im in off topic from time to time. I didn't know where else to post this so that it would get exposure and not break rules. :good:
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NEVER trust spam emails :| just saying..
Also, they should have an evidence to support their accusation.. a simple e-mail would not convince me
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I bet the dude who petitioned is an apple fanboy xD lol
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NEVER trust spam emails :| just saying..
Also, they should have an evidence to support their accusation.. a simple e-mail would not convince me
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I bet the dude who petitioned is an apple fanboy xD lol
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Change.org is a reliable site. It's not necessarily spam.
(do some research)
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They are a reliable site, but any "news" that comes out of China needs quite a bit of vetting before it's taken as fact. When I see some real evidence I'll step in.
Do you guys honestly thing Samsung would do this? It would give Apple one more thing to sue them for because they blatantly stole this idea from Apple and even I can't deny that

Whilst I obviously don't support child labour in any way, this forum really isn't the place for this topic of conversation. There are many far more politically based sites out there where this would be more suitable.
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