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[Q] Does the developer version have s-off?

I guess nobody will know for sure until April 19th, but I've seen conflicting reports online that the HTC One Developer Edition is S-ON and then I've also read it's S-OFF.
Does anybody have any other information on this?

It's not gonna be s-off. Confirmed by HTC dev reps on twitter.

what makes it developer then?

MacHackz said:
what makes it developer then?
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My thoughts exactly it's just sim unlocked and bootloader unlocked. Much cheaper imo to just buy a sim unlocked one for $100 cheaper and unlock the bootloader myself.

rayford85 said:
My thoughts exactly it's just sim unlocked and bootloader unlocked. Much cheaper imo to just buy a sim unlocked one for $100 cheaper and unlock the bootloader myself.
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I got mine in England for the cheapest price here (750.08 US Dollars), is it cheaper over there?

MacHackz said:
I got mine in England for the cheapest price here (750.08 US Dollars), is it cheaper over there?
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http://htconeprereg.com/cell-phones/productdetail.htm?prId=41620 quite a bit cheaper

rayford85 said:
My thoughts exactly it's just sim unlocked and bootloader unlocked. Much cheaper imo to just buy a sim unlocked one for $100 cheaper and unlock the bootloader myself.
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It's 64gig though

Ok, so this is going to be my first Android phone (I'm currently using an iPhone 5) and obviously I have a LOT of reading, but how big of problem is it that this isn't S-Off? Will I still be able to use Cyanogen ROMs, etc? What are the other disadvantages?
(I also thought I read that S-Off devices can have stock Android flashed to them?)

sofakng said:
Ok, so this is going to be my first Android phone (I'm currently using an iPhone 5) and obviously I have a LOT of reading, but how big of problem is it that this isn't S-Off? Will I still be able to use Cyanogen ROMs, etc? What are the other disadvantages?
(I also thought I read that S-Off devices can have stock Android flashed to them?)
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You can still flash roms with S-On, just not radios or kernels inside recovery . This has to be done via fast boot. Therefore you need to have access to a PC to flash kernels .

sofakng said:
Ok, so this is going to be my first Android phone (I'm currently using an iPhone 5) and obviously I have a LOT of reading, but how big of problem is it that this isn't S-Off? Will I still be able to use Cyanogen ROMs, etc? What are the other disadvantages?
(I also thought I read that S-Off devices can have stock Android flashed to them?)
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Yes you can still use cyanogenmod. S-Off is just for those guys who really want 100% control over their phone.

iaeonn stock,
Ahhh, OK. Thanks!
So basically you can still do everything (i.e. flash kernels, ROMs, etc) you can with S-On that you can with S-Off but you need a PC to enter fastboot mode (?)
This doesn't sound like such a big deal then...

sofakng said:
Ahhh, OK. Thanks!
So basically you can still do everything (i.e. flash kernels, ROMs, etc) you can with S-On that you can with S-Off but you need a PC to enter fastboot mode (?)
This doesn't sound like such a big deal then...
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Correct, plus TWRP Dumlock allows you to flash kernels on the go anyway

Don't know about s-off but bootloader unlocked. I've seen screen shots online. Can't remember where I saw it but it popped up a few times yesterday and this morning on my Blinkfeed. Google it and I'm sure you'll find it.
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Can you flash radios at all?
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Already been stated earlier that the bootloader is unlocked, which is really easy to do anyway.
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i only want s-off for two and only two reason
-> fastboot oem writecid 11111111
warranty
-> fastboot oem writesecureflag 3

[Q] S-off

Do I unlock my bootloader using HTC.com website or should I wait for a developer to create a S-Off method? do we really need S-Off?

mikevillarroel said:
Do I unlock my bootloader using HTC.com website or should I wait for a developer to create a S-Off method? do we really need S-Off?
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S-Off doesn't really have much use on this phone. Since it's Qualcomm, kernels can be flashed in recovery anyway, and the only real reason for S-Off would be to downgrade to previous firmwares.

MacHackz said:
S-Off doesn't really have much use on this phone. Since it's Qualcomm, kernels can be flashed in recovery anyway, and the only real reason for S-Off would be to downgrade to previous firmwares.
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so if I use HTC.com to unlock it, I will be able to flash roms and stuff from recovery as normally I do with my HTC 4G LTE ?(been doing it with the EVO and EVO 3D also)

i think the s-off method is preferable above HTCdev.
Warranty wise that is.
if you are s-off you won't be registered @ HTC for having unlocked your bootloader and thus reduced your warranty...

mikevillarroel said:
so if I use HTC.com to unlock it, I will be able to flash roms and stuff from recovery as normally I do with my HTC 4G LTE ?(been doing it with the EVO and EVO 3D also)
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what if you don't want htc to know that you are rooting your phone for warranty purposes
any way of doing this? anyone working on s-off?

No idea if the phone has had a chance to reach anyone outside of the EU (and slow roll out even over here.)
I'm guessing that when the phone is in the hands of a lot more people the race will be on to be the 1st to deliver s-off.
Until there's a desperate need for me to flash an updated radio or maybe a bootloader I don't appear to need it though.
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mox123 said:
what if you don't want htc to know that you are rooting your phone for warranty purposes
any way of doing this? anyone working on s-off?
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Until there has been worldwide release of the phone I doubt anybody will of even started work on it. I'd assume we might heard word of it about June time? Regarding people working on it that is.
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Boot loader, s off, someone tell me what the heck is going on here.

Okay, I have a couple of questions I'm hoping someone can answer.
1). What is the situation with the boot loader on the One? I know there is a developer edition, but are all of the other versions going to be locked down? Also, since there is a Dev version I assume the one won't be on their unlock website, right?
2) my second question is more about HTC in general, and s-off. I know it stands for security off, but what does it do exactly? I've heard its needed for flashing certain things like kernels, but I don't understand why that would he necessary if the boot loader is already unlocked.
Im on Verizon, hoping and praying that the One comes to us, if not I'm probably leaving them. Can't wait to get my hands on this great phone, and hopefully help HTC come out of the dumps
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Chirp chirp? Are there not even any crickets in here?
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The One can be bootloader unlocked through htcdev. No problems there
Bootloader unlocked lets you flash custom firmware, but S-OFF gives you full control over what you want to do. This stands for NAND locked or NAND unlocked. What that does is give you access to normally restricted partitions on the phone, such as the boot and radio partitions. Even with bootloader unlocked, you need to flash the boot.img separately if you do not have S-OFF and radios cant be flashed
And doing the chirp chirp thing doesnt encourage people to answer. Just a tip.

Boot loader can be unlocked on all EU carriers by spending 5 mins on the htcdev site (its included under Other phones)
As for s off, not currently possible but also not needed. On tegra HTC phones you needed it to flash boot.img as part of flashing a new ROM but already bypassed for the One.
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Tetsumi06 said:
Boot loader can be unlocked on all EU carriers by spending 5 mins on the htcdev site (its included under Other phones)
As for s off, not currently possible but also not needed. On tegra HTC phones you needed it to flash boot.img as part of flashing a new ROM but already bypassed for the One.
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Technically its still needed, but theyve developed a workaround which is essentially fastbooting it from the phone.
Also correction, its not only on Tegra processors that this is an issue, its on all HTC devices because they all come NAND locked.

It's not needed but would be better if we can get s-off soon.
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ant78 said:
It's not needed but would be better if we can get s-off soon.
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So, what can be done with S-OFF that isn't possible currently?

AllyOmega said:
So, what can be done with S-OFF that isn't possible currently?
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One of the things that can be done with s-off is flash a kernel image right from the phone without a PC

AllyOmega said:
So, what can be done with S-OFF that isn't possible currently?
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As said above me, flashing kernels during a rom flash (the rom zip will attempt to do it, but s-on prevents the boot.img from taking) without a computer or a workaround like SuperBoot, and you can also flash radios with s-off

AllyOmega said:
So, what can be done with S-OFF that isn't possible currently?
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CID can be changed to flash a different region ROM.
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And also to reflash HBOOT so that it says LOCKED instead of RELOCKED for warranty purposes.

[Q] Unlocking with HTCDev

Hey. I've been wanting to unlock the bootloader of my One and stupidly enough I accepted the 4.2.2. OTA so I can't really use revone now because of the updated hboot. Anyways, my only option seems to be using the HTCDev tool but here's where my paranoia comes to mind. Are they keeping a record on whoever's unlocked their One? Basically, I don't want them knowing I've unlocked it - mostly because they have no need to know it.
I guess I could wait until revone is updated but I have no idea when that'll be, hence my question.
Cheers.

They probably keep a record of who has requested an unlock token - but I doubt they can tell if you have used it or not..
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I just want to unlock my bootloader, but I hate that everything's wiped. With revone, nothing's wiped but then again I'm not sure if S-OFF's ever possible on 1.54. Then I'm stuck.

1.54 can't be s-off'd at the moment. Hopefully soon though
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redbull123 said:
1.54 can't be s-off'd at the moment. Hopefully soon though
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I know it can't. I hope it happens soon.

Theshawty said:
I know it can't. I hope it happens soon.
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Ok, sorry - I thought you said your weren't sure..
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I'm not sure if S-OFF's even possible on 1.54.
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Theshawty said:
Hey. I've been wanting to unlock the bootloader of my One and stupidly enough I accepted the 4.2.2. OTA so I can't really use revone now because of the updated hboot. Anyways, my only option seems to be using the HTCDev tool but here's where my paranoia comes to mind. Are they keeping a record on whoever's unlocked their One? Basically, I don't want them knowing I've unlocked it - mostly because they have no need to know it.
I guess I could wait until revone is updated but I have no idea when that'll be, hence my question.
Cheers.
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I don't know the situation in Norway but in Holland HTC sends the phones in to a 3rd party repair company (dynafix, fixes all types of phones, also does (warranty) repairs for eg samsung) for warranty repairs, I doubt they can or bother to look into the database and see if an unlock token has been requested. I think the technicians have been instructed to look at the bootloader status (unlocked/relocked) and been instructed to deny warranty in such cases as much as possible.... I send in my device for warranty s-off(with revone though never unlocked via htcdev), but with locked bootloader, and it was repaired under warranty

redbull123 said:
Ok, sorry - I thought you said your weren't sure..
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Typo. I meant "ever".
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godutch said:
I don't know the situation in Norway but in Holland HTC sends the phones in to a 3rd party repair company (dynafix, fixes all types of phones, also does (warranty) repairs for eg samsung) for warranty repairs, I doubt they can or bother to look into the database and see if an unlock token has been requested. I think the technicians have been instructed to look at the bootloader status (unlocked/relocked) and been instructed to deny warranty in such cases as much as possible.... I send in my device for warranty s-off(with revone though never unlocked via htcdev), but with locked bootloader, and it was repaired under warranty
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I don't know the situation in Norway either. I don't live there.
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Theshawty said:
I don't know the situation in Norway either. I don't live there.
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sweden then... I just looked at your carrier

Theshawty said:
Hey. I've been wanting to unlock the bootloader of my One and stupidly enough I accepted the 4.2.2. OTA so I can't really use revone now because of the updated hboot. Anyways, my only option seems to be using the HTCDev tool but here's where my paranoia comes to mind. Are they keeping a record on whoever's unlocked their One? Basically, I don't want them knowing I've unlocked it - mostly because they have no need to know it.
I guess I could wait until revone is updated but I have no idea when that'll be, hence my question.
Cheers.
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as long as its an Online process, and its done over the internet and requires your IMEI & SN i am %100 they keep record of your history.
unlike samsung which uses Odin app to unlock, Root, Flash stuff without going online

HTC Dev Unlock & Radio Updates

I'm contemplating unlocking my bootloader via HTC Dev Unlock and flashing a custom ROM. However, I'm wondering how I would go about updating my radios after doing this since my understanding of HTC Dev Unlock doesn't include the ability to flash radios.
Is there any way to do it other than backing up and flashing back to stock to accept the OTA?
Thanks!

You can just go s-off and flash a radio.

budeone said:
You can just go s-off and flash a radio.
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I understand that, but if I don't want to go S-Off (i.e. follow the rules), how does it work?

There is a program that I heard flashes radios called Flash Image GUI.
I have never tried it for radios because I always go s-off.
Maybe someone else can help you better.
I know it does flash kernels when you are s-on. I used to use it all the time on the LTE before they found an s-off fix.

gksmithlcw said:
I understand that, but if I don't want to go S-Off (i.e. follow the rules), how does it work?
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it doesn't.

Aldo101t said:
it doesn't.
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That's what I figured.... So what the hell's the point? LOL

gksmithlcw said:
That's what I figured.... So what the hell's the point? LOL
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well, i guess the point is if you want to flash radios you need s-off.

Aldo101t said:
well, i guess the point is if you want to flash radios you need s-off.
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Right, which HTC does not facilitate, so what's the point of allowing a bootloader unlock that makes your phone non-updateable?

gksmithlcw said:
Right, which HTC does not facilitate, so what's the point of allowing a bootloader unlock that makes your phone non-updateable?
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i don't think HTC ficilitates the unlocked bootloader either, as is ststed in their disclaimer prior to unlocking, so?

Aldo101t said:
i don't think HTC ficilitates the unlocked bootloader either, as is ststed in their disclaimer prior to unlocking, so?
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Dude... Their unlocking IS unlocking the bootloader.

gksmithlcw said:
Dude... Their unlocking IS unlocking the bootloader.
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that's what i'm talking about.

Aldo101t said:
that's what i'm talking about.
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Then what's the confusion? They facilitate unlocking the bootloader via their own tools, but doing so renders the device un-updateable without breaking their own rules and hacking the device to gain S-Off.
And that, I find quite stupid.

gksmithlcw said:
Then what's the confusion? They facilitate unlocking the bootloader via their own tools, but doing so renders the device un-updateable without breaking their own rules and hacking the device to gain S-Off.
And that, I find quite stupid.
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ok, have you unlocked yet?? What i'm trying to say is they don't condone unlocking the bootloader either, which is stated in the unlock process.it's your chioce(the user)

Aldo101t said:
ok, have you unlocked yet??
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No. As stated in the OP, I was trying to get the answer to this question. Now I'm wishing I'd just kept my old GNex.
I sure hope I can get S-Off with the latest firmware....

gksmithlcw said:
No. As stated in the OP, I was trying to get the answer to this question. Now I'm wishing I'd just kept my old GNex.
I sure hope I can get S-Off with the latest firmware....
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just unlock and get s-off, you'll like it, read up on it in the forums, no big deal, have a good day.

I'm officially unlocked, rooted and s-offed. Now the question becomes GPe or CM 10.2....