I'm contemplating unlocking my bootloader via HTC Dev Unlock and flashing a custom ROM. However, I'm wondering how I would go about updating my radios after doing this since my understanding of HTC Dev Unlock doesn't include the ability to flash radios.
Is there any way to do it other than backing up and flashing back to stock to accept the OTA?
Thanks!
You can just go s-off and flash a radio.
budeone said:
You can just go s-off and flash a radio.
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I understand that, but if I don't want to go S-Off (i.e. follow the rules), how does it work?
There is a program that I heard flashes radios called Flash Image GUI.
I have never tried it for radios because I always go s-off.
Maybe someone else can help you better.
I know it does flash kernels when you are s-on. I used to use it all the time on the LTE before they found an s-off fix.
gksmithlcw said:
I understand that, but if I don't want to go S-Off (i.e. follow the rules), how does it work?
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it doesn't.
Aldo101t said:
it doesn't.
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That's what I figured.... So what the hell's the point? LOL
gksmithlcw said:
That's what I figured.... So what the hell's the point? LOL
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well, i guess the point is if you want to flash radios you need s-off.
Aldo101t said:
well, i guess the point is if you want to flash radios you need s-off.
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Right, which HTC does not facilitate, so what's the point of allowing a bootloader unlock that makes your phone non-updateable?
gksmithlcw said:
Right, which HTC does not facilitate, so what's the point of allowing a bootloader unlock that makes your phone non-updateable?
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i don't think HTC ficilitates the unlocked bootloader either, as is ststed in their disclaimer prior to unlocking, so?
Aldo101t said:
i don't think HTC ficilitates the unlocked bootloader either, as is ststed in their disclaimer prior to unlocking, so?
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Dude... Their unlocking IS unlocking the bootloader.
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Dude... Their unlocking IS unlocking the bootloader.
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that's what i'm talking about.
Aldo101t said:
that's what i'm talking about.
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Then what's the confusion? They facilitate unlocking the bootloader via their own tools, but doing so renders the device un-updateable without breaking their own rules and hacking the device to gain S-Off.
And that, I find quite stupid.
gksmithlcw said:
Then what's the confusion? They facilitate unlocking the bootloader via their own tools, but doing so renders the device un-updateable without breaking their own rules and hacking the device to gain S-Off.
And that, I find quite stupid.
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ok, have you unlocked yet?? What i'm trying to say is they don't condone unlocking the bootloader either, which is stated in the unlock process.it's your chioce(the user)
Aldo101t said:
ok, have you unlocked yet??
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No. As stated in the OP, I was trying to get the answer to this question. Now I'm wishing I'd just kept my old GNex.
I sure hope I can get S-Off with the latest firmware....
gksmithlcw said:
No. As stated in the OP, I was trying to get the answer to this question. Now I'm wishing I'd just kept my old GNex.
I sure hope I can get S-Off with the latest firmware....
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just unlock and get s-off, you'll like it, read up on it in the forums, no big deal, have a good day.
I'm officially unlocked, rooted and s-offed. Now the question becomes GPe or CM 10.2....
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is there anyone out there found out if its possible in any way to unroot and relock the bootloader???
*sigh*
ibtl
i know this has probrably been answered alot of times but i figured ask and see how e are on this? any new updates on this??
xghostyxjokerx said:
i know this has probrably been answered alot of times but i figured ask and see how e are on this? any new updates on this??
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would like to see this happen to.
Not "ok" that it voids the warranty.
xghostyxjokerx said:
i know this has probrably been answered alot of times but i figured ask and see how e are on this? any new updates on this??
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You figured wrong.
uansari1 said:
You figured wrong.
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He figured people wouldn't act like trolls?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Relock+Nexus+One+Bootloader
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Relock+Nexus+One+Bootloader
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And .... [drumroll] .... that does not answer the question.
I can. Not many others with the same luck though.
jesus. Nobody gave this poor guy a direct answer?
Very few, and I mean probably like 5% of all nexus one's can relock their bootloader. It's some special Holiday edition or something.
But as of right now, no you can't relock it.
stuff said:
jesus. Nobody gave this poor guy a direct answer?
Very few, and I mean probably like 5% of all nexus one's can relock their bootloader. It's some special Holiday edition or something.
But as of right now, no you can't relock it.
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thank you!!! at least some help and some dont...i thought this was a q/a section..thanks again!
stuff said:
jesus. Nobody gave this poor guy a direct answer?
Very few, and I mean probably like 5% of all nexus one's can relock their bootloader. It's some special Holiday edition or something.
But as of right now, no you can't relock it.
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Just out of curiousity, when you say "holiday edition", are you referring to the N1s given to Google employees before the phone was released, or is this just a clever way of acknowledging the good luck of those who got a re-lockable phone?
If the latter, is there any pattern by which one can recognise these phones (serial number, manufacturing date/facility, etc.), or is it just luck of the draw?
kobecamp2009 said:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Relock+Nexus+One+Bootloader
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Ironically, that leads to the search results where I found the link to this page. lol
Penguissimo said:
Just out of curiousity, when you say "holiday edition", are you referring to the N1s given to Google employees before the phone was released, or is this just a clever way of acknowledging the good luck of those who got a re-lockable phone?
If the latter, is there any pattern by which one can recognise these phones (serial number, manufacturing date/facility, etc.), or is it just luck of the draw?
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I'm not 100% sure but I believe "Holiday edition" refers to the special versions of the phones that have the battery cover with a QR code in it, as said QR code leads to a special holiday game when scanned on the Nexus One. Serial number can't be used to determine which Nexii (Nexuses?) can be relocked and which can't. The easiest way to tell if a Nexus One can be relocked is to power it off, hold the track ball, and power it on again. This boots into the bootloader where you will see on the second line something like "NEXUSONE PVT SHIP S-ON." 'S-ON' means that the bootloader can not be relocked while 'S-OFF' indicates a device can be easily be relocked by running a simple fastboot command from your computer, ''fastboot oem lock." I hope this answers your question.
I know the Nexus One has already been successfully rooted without unlocking the bootloader, but I still hope we can figure out a method for relocking the bootloader. I don't mean to scam warranty, I just hate that awful lock icon on the boot screen.
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Ironically, that leads to the search results where I found the link to this page. lol
I'm not 100% sure but I believe "Holiday edition" refers to the special versions of the phones that have the battery cover with a QR code in it, as said QR code leads to a special holiday game when scanned on the Nexus One. Serial number can't be used to determine which Nexii (Nexuses?) can be relocked and which can't. The easiest way to tell if a Nexus One can be relocked is to power it off, hold the track ball, and power it on again. This boots into the bootloader where you will see on the second line something like "NEXUSONE PVT SHIP S-ON." 'S-ON' means that the bootloader can not be relocked while 'S-OFF' indicates a device can be easily be relocked by running a simple fastboot command from your computer, ''fastboot oem lock." I hope this answers your question.
I know the Nexus One has already been successfully rooted without unlocking the bootloader, but I still hope we can figure out a method for relocking the bootloader. I don't mean to scam warranty, I just hate that awful lock icon on the boot screen.
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Shouldn't it be possible to simply flash the SPL from a re-lockable phone onto a phone that (before) couldn't?
nexusdue said:
Shouldn't it be possible to simply flash the SPL from a re-lockable phone onto a phone that (before) couldn't?
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Unfortunately, no this is not possible. Trying to do so would most likely lead to a bricked handset as the retail devices have a 512k spl and the engineering spl from holiday phones is 768k in size.
Is this working?
http://www.machackpc.com/headline/restore-your-nexus-one-to-its-original-shipping-image/
Will it brick the phone ?
nomedor said:
Is this working?
http://www.machackpc.com/headline/restore-your-nexus-one-to-its-original-shipping-image/
Will it brick the phone ?
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It will not brick the phone. It will work fine for what it's meant to do. Here's a quote from the page
What will be the end result of your Nexus One:
It will reset your system files to the original System Files
It will reset your kernel/boot image to the original shipping boot image
It will reset your recovery to original recovery
The only thing we will not be able to do at this time is to RE-LOCK your Nexus One.
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Note that this does not re-lock the device which is what this thread is about. As of right now, there is no way that has been made publicly visible to relock the bootloader of an unlocked S-ON Nexus One. Maybe in the future there will be a way. I hope so, but for now, we're stuck. The method from the link can be used only to restore your phone to the stock ROM, so that you can once again receive OTA updates. It will take away your root priveleges, which I'd assume is the reason you've unlocked your device in the first place. So unless you're tired of being in control of your device, it's pointless.
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I hope this answers your question.
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It does, thanks Very informative!
crawler9 said:
Unfortunately, no this is not possible. Trying to do so would most likely lead to a bricked handset as the retail devices have a 512k spl and the engineering spl from holiday phones is 768k in size.
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I have a shipping S-OFF SPL, but apparently nothing can be done with it.
would be nice to see team unrevoked work on this......
I seek the advice of the masters here, or really anyone who can answer, lol. ATT converted to Dev Edition, 4.4, S-Off, stock recovery, bootloader relocked to run the 4.3 Brightstar RUU. Okay, tried to use stock recovery to change radio back to the 4.3, gives error remote not allowed. Tried to sideload it, not happening either. Figured I need unlocked bootloader, which makes no sense since I am S-Off. Tried to use my .bin file to unlock again, nope, says it doesn't match. That's fine, well, not really, but I can re-run to get another one, but, am I missing something here? Do I need to re-unlock bootloader to change the radio, and do I have to do it with CWM, or TWRP instead of stock?
Well, it sure does require unlocked bootloader so that you can flash a radio zip using a custom recovery. Once I did that it worked fine, still can't figure out why I had to get another unlock code though, that is just strange. Anyhow, mod can close thread, I figured it out.
hack14u said:
Well, it sure does require unlocked bootloader so that you can flash a radio zip using a custom recovery. Once I did that it worked fine, still can't figure out why I had to get another unlock code though, that is just strange. Anyhow, mod can close thread, I figured it out.
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FYI yes this is normal, you always need a new unlock code when your bootloader is locked again. Don't forget you can easily unlock bootloader without htcdev when you are s-off.
alray said:
FYI yes this is normal, you always need a new unlock code when your bootloader is locked again. Don't forget you can easily unlock bootloader without htcdev when you are s-off.
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Wow, this is news to me, how do you do that? And, I did not know that you need a new code each time, thanks for the info. I always thought it would be the same.
hack14u said:
Wow, this is news to me, how do you do that? And, I did not know that you need a new code each time, thanks for the info. I always thought it would be the same.
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lock/unlock with s-off
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2475914
So long story short I don't want HTC to have any info about what I'm doing with my phone because I've had a major issue with that in the past and I want to unlock it, root it and get s-off still. So with having a completely stock m8, sunshine is the way to go for me? Sorry if someone already posted something like this.
You can try Firewater first since it's free.
Am also sure you need to be rooted to s-off which means you need to unlock the bootloader using htcdev.
AmSick said:
You can try Firewater first since it's free.
Am also sure you need to be rooted to s-off which means you need to unlock the bootloader using htcdev.
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I'm aware of that but I'm asking if sunshine is the only way to unlock without htcdev at all. Period.
FunnySideUp said:
I'm aware of that but I'm asking if sunshine is the only way to unlock without htcdev at all. Period.
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One of the requirements to use sunshine is to be rooted
AmSick said:
One of the requirements to use sunshine is to be rooted
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Not anymore. Read the first paragraph of the OP:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=
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Not anymore. Read the first paragraph of the OP:
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Ahh okay I see now so it gains root access by it's self so it is currently the only way to s-off with htcdev.
I know of no other method.
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Ahh okay I see now so it gains root access by it's self so it is currently the only way to s-off with htcdev.
I know of no other method.
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Alright so this answers my question then. Kinda wish I didn't have to pay $25 but the freedom having my phone and doing anything with it w/o htc knowing is worth it
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Alright so this answers my question then. Kinda wish I didn't have to pay $25 but the freedom having my phone and doing anything with it w/o htc knowing is worth it
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If Firewater had worked for me I would've been more than happy using HTC Dev with it. Just because you are requesting an unlock code from HTC does not prove that you actually used it so it's debatable whether using it or not has any real impact on their knowledge of your intended uses for your phone.
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If Firewater had worked for me I would've been more than happy using HTC Dev with it. Just because you are requesting an unlock code from HTC does not prove that you actually used it so it's debatable whether using it or not has any real impact on their knowledge of your intended uses for your phone.
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I personally had a horrible coincidence where my phone was not properly functioning from day 1 and I happened to have used htcdev so they had more than enough reason to blame me for the faulty components and charged me money to fix it since unlocking it voids the manufacturer warranty. So if you're fine with telling htc that you're unlocking your phone that's fine, I'm personally not going to do that again as long as I have an HTC device.
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I personally had a horrible coincidence where my phone was not properly functioning from day 1 and I happened to have used htcdev so they had more than enough reason to blame me for the faulty components and charged me money to fix it since unlocking it voids the manufacturer warranty. So if you're fine with telling htc that you're unlocking your phone that's fine, I'm personally not going to do that again as long as I have an HTC device.
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What state did you return the phone in? Was it still unlocked and rooted? S-Off? Did you attempt a faux-lock/s-on or anything like that?
To contrast some of the horror stories that people have regarding returning a HTC device for service, @Captain_Throwback has sent numerous devices to HTC and has never had an issue. His devices were rooted & S-off.
Hi,
I have a noob question, and I'm sorry that this not where i should post
I have an International HTC One M7 (4.4.2 and Sense 6). Since HTC is committed to provide OTAs for Android L, which I don't want to miss. But I want my phone to be S-Off and Unlocked bootloader. I've read a post saying that we are still eligible for OTAs if we have stock recovery, stock rom. So I just want to Unlock my bootloader and S-Off, thats it I dont want to install any recovery or flash any roms. I only want this because, i will be frank, i need that pan360 feature in my camera (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU28g9yxzN4) as you can see at 14:45 in the linked video. So what should I do? And unlocking bootloader, getting s-off and relocking the bootloader qualifies us to get OTAs? how exactly does the HTCs OTAs check in my phone before it decides whether im eligible for OTA or not.
Thanks in advance!
phsetaknev said:
Hi,
I have a noob question, and I'm sorry that this not where i should post
I have an International HTC One M7 (4.4.2 and Sense 6). Since HTC is committed to provide OTAs for Android L, which I don't want to miss. But I want my phone to be S-Off and Unlocked bootloader. I've read a post saying that we are still eligible for OTAs if we have stock recovery, stock rom. So I just want to Unlock my bootloader and S-Off, thats it I dont want to install any recovery or flash any roms. I only want this because, i will be frank, i need that pan360 feature in my camera (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU28g9yxzN4) as you can see at 14:45 in the linked video. So what should I do? And unlocking bootloader, getting s-off and relocking the bootloader qualifies us to get OTAs? how exactly does the HTCs OTAs check in my phone before it decides whether im eligible for OTA or not.
Thanks in advance!
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Ok unlocking your boot loader and getting soff will have nothing to do with getting the app. That may rely on being rooted which will mean ugly will need to flash something. To be honest I wouldn't count on an ota before there is a flashable zip built from source.
zelendel said:
Ok unlocking your boot loader and getting soff will have nothing to do with getting the app. That may rely on being rooted which will mean ugly will need to flash something. To be honest I wouldn't count on an ota before there is a flashable zip built from source.
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You mean, we dont need an OTA since side loading is already available even before the OTA reaches the devices?? If YES then does rooting enable side loading?
phsetaknev said:
You mean, we dont need an OTA since side loading is already available even before the OTA reaches the devices?? If YES then does rooting enable side loading?
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Most of the time yes. There is a built ROM from source within a matter of hours if not before most get the OTA. No rooting doesn't enable it. Just unlocked bootloader. Maybe soff depending on if there is a new radio.
And to be honest with all the issues with OTA I never advise using them.
Also looking at the video. You would have to flash a rom to get what you want anyway.
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Most of the time yes. There is a built ROM from source within a matter of hours if not before most get the OTA. No rooting doesn't enable it. Just unlocked bootloader. Maybe soff depending on if there is a new radio.
And to be honest with all the issues with OTA I never advise using them.
Also looking at the video. You would have to flash a rom to get what you want anyway.
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Yeah, doesnt it look cool That rom in the video is from Elegancia which is discontinued now! And is it advisable to unlock your bootloader using HTC Dev? I hear if we do that using htc dev, you will never be able to get the OTAs or am i being paranoid? (considering your suggestion of OTAs being problematic )
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Yeah, doesnt it look cool That rom in the video is from Elegancia which is discontinued now! And is it advisable to unlock your bootloader using HTC Dev? I hear if we do that using htc dev, you will never be able to get the OTAs or am i being paranoid? (considering your suggestion of OTAs being problematic )
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To be honest I stopped using gas sense 5 min after I got the device. I am one of the old school that remembers Sense before Android and think HTC killed it.
Yes you can use HTC dev to unlock the bootloader. I wish advise hitting up the device forum and reading up
Oh and on a side note. HTC comment about the L release was targeting the GPE version of the device. Not the sense version.
zelendel said:
To be honest I stopped using gas sense 5 min after I got the device. I am one of the old school that remembers Sense before Android and think HTC killed it.
Yes you can use HTC dev to unlock the bootloader. I wish advise hitting up the device forum and reading up
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Two more questions
1) How does putting a LOCKED message after unlocking the bootloader in the boot page helps? Most of the people are concerned about changing that message from UNLOCKED to LOCKED.
2) And will there be any problem if I just Unlock the bootloader and S-Off and continue using the Stock ROM from HTC that i have? I may root the device later, but keeping it like that could harm the device in any manner?
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Two more questions
1) How does putting a LOCKED message after unlocking the bootloader in the boot page helps? Most of the people are concerned about changing that message from UNLOCKED to LOCKED.
2) And will there be any problem if I just Unlock the bootloader and S-Off and continue using the Stock ROM from HTC that i have? I may root the device later, but keeping it like that could harm the device in any manner?
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To be honest They worry about it because if HTC sees that you unlocked your bootloader then your warranty is voided. While This is something most accept as a price you pay for modding your device, Some dont want to accept the responsability and try to commit fraud but altering the bootloader to relocked status.
no there should be no problem with just doing that. But to be honest there is no point until your ready to take it further.
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Oh and on a side note. HTC comment about the L release was targeting the GPE version of the device. Not the sense version.
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Thanks a lot for your answers I shall look for info in other threads and try to contribute. And HTC has committed to provide all the updates for a new device for 2 years, and the leaks from llabfooter on twitter show that L will also be released for other HTC one series models
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To be honest They worry about it because if HTC sees that you unlocked your bootloader then your warranty is voided. While This is something most accept as a price you pay for modding your device, Some dont want to accept the responsability and try to commit fraud but altering the bootloader to relocked status.
no there should be no problem with just doing that. But to be honest there is no point until your ready to take it further.
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I just wanted to post that's it Great seeing a Senior Moderator visiting the forums and answering questions
Is there any hope for official marshmallow for SU4TL-49 build number model XT1254?
Are there any other root methods available other than sunshine app?
How to flash kernels with locked bootloader?
Suggest any kernels.
Suggest also how to unlock bootloader?
Thanks.
wellwisher_k said:
Is there any hope for official marshmallow for SU4TL-49 build number model XT1254?
Are there any other root methods available other than sunshine app?
How to flash kernels with locked bootloader?
Suggest any kernels.
Suggest also how to unlock bootloader?
Thanks.
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Very little.
No.
You don't.
Here is the only available custom kernel for this phone: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-maxx/development/kernel-bhb27-kernel-t3207526
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TheSt33v said:
Very little.
No.
You don't.
Here is the only available custom kernel for this phone: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-maxx/development/kernel-bhb27-kernel-t3207526
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How to flash it on locked bootloader?
wellwisher_k said:
How to flash it on locked bootloader?
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Once again, you don't. And if you ask a third time, the answer will still be you don't.
A locked bootloader will not allow unsigned images to be flashed to the phone. Even if it did, it wouldn't boot as long as the bootloader is locked. The kernel on this particular phone involves some files that are written to /system and not just /boot. Locked bootloader = no write access to /system = no custom kernel.
TheSt33v said:
Once again, you don't. And if you ask a third time, the answer will still be you don't.
A locked bootloader will not allow unsigned images to be flashed to the phone. Even if it did, it wouldn't boot as long as the bootloader is locked. The kernel on this particular phone involves some files that are written to /system and not just /boot. Locked bootloader = no write access to /system = no custom kernel.
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Then tell me how to unlock bootloader?
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Then tell me how to unlock bootloader?
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You're just trolling me now, aren't you?
Download Sunshine. Use Sunshine. Pay $25. Here is the website to get it: http://theroot.ninja/
Don't want to/can't spend $25? Then stay locked and unrooted. This is your only option.
wellwisher_k said:
Is there any hope for official marshmallow for SU4TL-49 build number model XT1254?
Are there any other root methods available other than sunshine app?
How to flash kernels with locked bootloader?
Suggest any kernels.
Suggest also how to unlock bootloader?
Thanks.
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TheSt33v said:
Very little.
No.
You don't.
Here is the only available custom kernel for this phone:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-maxx/development/kernel-bhb27-kernel-t3207526
Sunshine
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3. (AGAIN) How to flash it on locked bootloader?
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TheSt33v said:
3. Once again, you don't. And if you ask a third time, the answer will still be you don't.
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wellwisher_k said:
5.(AGAIN) Then tell me how to unlock bootloader?
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TheSt33v said:
You're just trolling me now, aren't you?
5. Download Sunshine. Use Sunshine. Pay $25. Here is the website to get it: http://theroot.ninja/
Don't want to/can't spend $25? Then stay locked and unrooted. This is your only option.
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@wellwisher_k, WHY do you bother to ask questions if you REFUSE TO READ THE ANSWERS?
ChazzMatt said:
WHY do you bother to ask questions if you REFUSE TO READ THE ANSWERS?
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I am too much desperate for it that's why.
wellwisher_k said:
I am too much desperate for it that's why.
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But why did you create a new thread for answers you already knew? You were the one who asked for the cracked version of Sunshine a few days ago, so you ALREADY KNOW Sunshine is the only way to unlock the bootloader.
wellwisher_k said:
Is there any crack version of sunshine?
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Plus, it's not like the question hasn't been asked and answered by others like a thousand times before.
Creating new threads won't change the answer.
When you asked for cracked Sunshine, I pointed you here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68682767&postcount=89
It applies even more now.
Closed due to being a dead-end.