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So i have been having issues with my device. The device will shut off, sometimes not charge properly and the device will die and i will have to unplug the battery and plug it back in to power cycle the device and for it to register a charge. So i decided to call and explain this to the "tech" the moment i mentioned that i opened the device and did this they said i had "voided" my warranty and i would have to contact Asus.
Yeah. I voided my warranty by popped open the back and unplugged the battery. This is how i was treated. Also.. I then request a supervisor who then states the same thing.. they give me a "mercy" repair and then proceed to setup a repair, but they have "noted" that i have voided my warranty by "messing with the internal components, and that the back was not made to be opened." That if they verify that i have "messed with this" i will be charged the full amount for the replacement device.
Seriously? I am fuming right now. they pretty much made me feel like i had broken a law by opening up their PLASTIC device. the back is held on by clips.. no screws, warranty stick, or any other type of method of removal. I was told that the "normal" consumer would never do that... and that i definitely voided my warranty.. I am so peeved right now i could hit something. Seriously?!
Good job Google. Your first major device made by "you" and this is how you treat your customer. Thank god i'm an Apple user and i was an ex-Applecare rep and RULE 1, you never accuse the customer of doing anything. You never make them feel like some inept POS because you popped off a battery cover. WOW. Last Google product i buy. Seriously. I have never had a customer experience where i was berated on the phone as some sort of villain.. by 2 "techs" Not only that.. the "supervisor" said .."oh sir, it's not that easy to pop the back off.. you really have to get IN THERE"
Peeved. XDA has anyone been treated like that by them? I thought the Nexus line was for the "tech savy" you know the ones that can root, unlock, and develop.. yet i was treated like a criminal for doing some basic trouble shooting. I told the tech on the phone.. what if i had bought this 2nd hand and couldn't turn it on.. the SERIAL NUMBER IS ON THE INSIDE LID.. she just said.. "well i understand that.. but you still voided your warranty.."
WOW.
google should let people play as long as they dont short it out.
The Afroman said:
So i have been having issues with my device. The device will shut off, sometimes not charge properly and the device will die and i will have to unplug the battery and plug it back in to power cycle the device and for it to register a charge. So i decided to call and explain this to the "tech" the moment i mentioned that i opened the device and did this they said i had "voided" my warranty and i would have to contact Asus.
Yeah. I voided my warranty by popped open the back and unplugged the battery. This is how i was treated. Also.. I then request a supervisor who then states the same thing.. they give me a "mercy" repair and then proceed to setup a repair, but they have "noted" that i have voided my warranty by "messing with the internal components, and that the back was not made to be opened." That if they verify that i have "messed with this" i will be charged the full amount for the replacement device.
Seriously? I am fuming right now. they pretty much made me feel like i had broken a law by opening up their PLASTIC device. the back is held on by clips.. no screws, warranty stick, or any other type of method of removal. I was told that the "normal" consumer would never do that... and that i definitely voided my warranty.. I am so peeved right now i could hit something. Seriously?!
Good job Google. Your first major device made by "you" and this is how you treat your customer. Thank god i'm an Apple user and i was an ex-Applecare rep and RULE 1, you never accuse the customer of doing anything. You never make them feel like some inept POS because you popped off a battery cover. WOW. Last Google product i buy. Seriously. I have never had a customer experience where i was berated on the phone as some sort of villain.. by 2 "techs" Not only that.. the "supervisor" said .."oh sir, it's not that easy to pop the back off.. you really have to get IN THERE"
Peeved. XDA has anyone been treated like that by them? I thought the Nexus line was for the "tech savy" you know the ones that can root, unlock, and develop.. yet i was treated like a criminal for doing some basic trouble shooting. I told the tech on the phone.. what if i had bought this 2nd hand and couldn't turn it on.. the SERIAL NUMBER IS ON THE INSIDE LID.. she just said.. "well i understand that.. but you still voided your warranty.."
WOW.
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Is there any documentation that came bundled with your device that clearly provides instructions for how to remove the back cover and how to disconnect the battery? does the device even have a battery that is user removable and replaceable ?
no to both and you knew that... you had to search for information online to perform that and you still did it knowing full well that wasn't allowed.
the moment your device showed any signs of issues you should have contacted Google to get an RMA
Warranty is present on our devices with rules in place. you broke the rules and then admitted to it to a tech and expect something different?
You are not supposed to open the cover plain and simple, if you expect the company that sold it to you to honor the warranty which means they trust you haven't touched anything inside then you leave it alone and always contact them for service. that's your complete circle..
Open your device and you lose that ability because now it is assumed A. you have touched or modified something, B. you know what you are doing since you have opened the device up.
They have no idea what you have done, you expect them to just take your word for it? I'd love to see that fly at the dealership on your new car... "Yea the engine blew, it was making a ticking sound but before notifying you guys I went ahead and took the engine cover off and looked around and also changed a few things but i still have my warranty right? kthnxbai
The Nexus line has nothing to do with being for people that are tech savy... thats just the general consensus of people that choose ANDROID over IOS.
People buy the Nexus line because they want the full unmodified Google experience AND the latest OS updates from Google plain and simple.
Either play by their rules and leave the device alone and if it has issues notify them, get an RMA and send it back that's what they are there for. not to clean up the mess that happens after you touched the device in a way you weren't supposed to.
Even if you didn't do anything other than open the cover, how are they supposed to know? just trust you? :laugh:
Why did they accuse you? because like an idiot you just told them straight up yes I opened the device even though I know i'm not supposed to.
Lucky they gave you the mercy repair....
Well i feel for you brother, it's not like you broke the device yourself...that said it's pretty clear the back cover is not designed to be removed by consumers, and you really should have known that disconnecting the battery could technically void your warranty.
While some companies may be lenient with their warranty policies, you certainly shouldn't expect it; so to admit.that you played around with the internals was a little naive i'm afraid. I remember hearing a story about techs at one company being instructed to look for rooted phones that had been sent in so that the warranty could be voided (because technically rooting was a breach of conditions).
But look, you might get lucky and they won't charge you if the fault is obviously not your fault. I hope it works out for you.
I'd have been more surprised if they did NOT void the warranty when you told them that. Its pretty common sense that you should not tell techs that you have opened a device.
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Peeved. XDA has anyone been treated like that by them? I thought the Nexus line was for the "tech savy" you know the ones that can root, unlock, and develop.. yet i was treated like a criminal for doing some basic trouble shooting.
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Sounds to me like you were treated as someone who voided his warranty. Which is exactly what you did. Sounds fair to me.
It's your responsibility to know what voids the warranty, and you're trying to make others suffer for your mistake.
And the tech savvy people know that when they open up and mess with their devices, they're on their own.
FYI, the Nexus 7 back cover is not made to be just popped off like many phone back covers so you probably damaged something as well.
Taking the back off the N7 does not void the warranty. However, I think there is a "VOID" sticker on one of the screws that keep the battery connected to the device that if removed, this DOES void the warranty. I would look, but I can't pop the back off my N7 because I just clipped my fingernails, haha. But I have taken off the back of my previous N7s various times and sent them all back with out any problems. I just haven't tampered with the stickers that say "VOID" on them.
Obvious warranty voiding action is obvious.
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They made it a sealed back for a reason they don't want people messing and you have silly to do it. Its like moaning you have bricked your nexus and moaning they won't give you a new one. Same as in game shops the minute you take it out the cellophane its none-returnable. You should of phoned them straight away when you noticed the problem.
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Never tell any company you tried to fix some thing your self
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Look. Seriously I understand. I get it. If i damaged the device, the warranty should be voided. But i didn't. Second. Most devices, that do NOT want you in the back would..
A.) Not make the back held on by snaps, that are super easy to remove (please don't tell me it's hard or difficult to remove because it's not) The devices that have tamper proof backs have screws with warranty voiding measures like a sticker that says (VOID WARRANTY) and a screw under it.. Or they would have a security Torx screw.. or something! Go check your devices..
B.) I have spent hours looking and reading the warranty manual and NOTHING in there says you can't remove the battery back. Have anyof you owned a Galaxy S (the original) the battery back snaps on the exact same way. you have to pop it off with snaps all around the edge. Also.. nothing inside the back says "HEY if you remove this you void your warrenty!"
C.) I get the battery is not user replaceable.. sort of.. it's one plug and you pop it out.. but i think the battery is held with glue so i wouldn't remove it.. but come on guys i'm seriously not trying to be a ****, i know if i had opened something that said "DONT OPEN" or there was a screw on back i wouldn't have said anything when i called.. but this is silly.. the moment i mentioned i popped the back off, they threw up there hands and ignored the fact that the device was having issues prior..
D.) In the Warranty paper work it says "the Product has been tampered with, repaired and/or modified by non-authorized personnal:" So opening the back that is easy to open but has no TAMPER PROOF anything voids your warranty.. in that sentence i don't think i did ANY OF IT. I didn't take it apart, unscrew, replace parts, etc.. all i did was open to unplug and plug battery back in.. if thats tampering.. then we ALL have void our warranties on MANY devices as i'm sure that wording is used on MANY devices warranties.
Seriously though I know when i have been beaten. I can admit defeat but the way i was treated on the phone was awful. I can't understand how that is good customer service. Adult conversation here.
And you blame Google for this.....
If your device was cutting out and not charging then why didn't you get it repaired or replaced under warranty instead of messing about with the internals? Clearly you must have done more than just opening the back cover, someone who goes that far will meddle with the battery and connectors which definitely VOIDS your warranty. It's not the same as opening the back cover of a Galaxy phone that has a user replaceable battery.... this doesn't
Seriously the more people like you move back to Apple the better these forums would get. Good luck
Xda seems full of assholes today.. (not you op!)
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Frostfree said:
And you blame Google for this.....
If your device was cutting out and not charging then why didn't you get it repaired or replaced under warranty instead of messing about with the internals? Clearly you must have done more than just opening the back cover, someone who goes that far will meddle with the battery and connectors which definitely VOIDS your warranty. It's not the same as opening the back cover of a Galaxy phone that has a user replaceable battery.... this doesn't
Seriously the more people like you move back to Apple the better these forums would get. Good luck
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The battery connection problem is very common many people have fixed it the way he tried the only mistake he made is telling them about it
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Frostfree said:
And you blame Google for this.....
If your device was cutting out and not charging then why didn't you get it repaired or replaced under warranty instead of messing about with the internals? Clearly you must have done more than just opening the back cover, someone who goes that far will meddle with the battery and connectors which definitely VOIDS your warranty.
Seriously the more people like you move back to Apple the better these forums would get. Good luck
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Wow. More people like you make Google users seem elitist. Yes i did unplug the battery you know that thing we as electronic users have been doing for YEARS. it was the only way to get it to turn back on.. is that too difficult for you? I like how you probably have never read the warranty insert but are already siding with a company of their "meaning" of the rules.
I guess everyone here would be ok if you mentioned resetting the batteries in your remote control for your TV and they said. OH well you voided the warranty..?
rcarnes911 said:
The battery connection problem is very common many people have fixed it the way he tried the only mistake he made is telling them about it
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Thanks. Thank you. Someone understands.. I admit i guess it was my fault for mentioning.. it. Now my account is "has been noted" So now i will probably not send it in for repair, because they seem to "maybe" want to charge me full price which BTW is 200 for an 8GB they don't even have it set to 150 as it should be for a device that has been replaced pricewise for the 16GB.
wow the back of the nexus is not like any phone back. there is a groove or a notch to remove phone backs. Thats like saying the ipod back is removable since its not screwed down. I can remove an ipod back almost as easy as taking off the nexus 7's back but I also know I'm not supposed to. It sucks what they told you but crying foul is almost as bad. Luckily they are going to help you anyway
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Wow. More people like you make Google users seem elitist. Yes i did unplug the battery you know that thing we as electronic users have been doing for YEARS
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Nonsense, just hold the power button for 10-15 seconds.
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Nonsense, just hold the power button for 10-15 seconds.
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Tried. Multiple times. Nothing.. the screen would stay black. battery wouldn't charge. i had to unplug battery and plug back in.. to get the charger to work. even bought 2 3rd party chargers that work for nexus to get it to respond. nothing. battery had to be unplugged and plugged back in. only way to get my device to work. I guess i shouldn't have said that and lied. *sigh*
Sorry to hear this man, I'm following this thread pretty closely. I am getting a N7 here next week (Christmas, I hope), so trying to see what others issues with it are. I hope this works out for you
So I ordered a silver HTC one. Got black. I know Amazon issue right. So I stuck it out until the end of the return widow. Because I didn't want to be with a phone over a color. So eventually I did the exchange. The new HTC one I got now has bleeding of the buttons backlight on the bottom right hand corner. Now Amazon does not want anything to do with the phone. So now I have no choice but to send it into HTC for a repair. I have to pay for shipping and be without a phone again for at least 2 weeks. Now the last time HTC has fixed something for me they forced me to buy a new phone! They had replaced the motherboard and did a "IMEI transfer" and the IMEI could never be activated. HTC said it wasn't in sprint database. Sprint said the phone was broken. Both of them didn't want anything to do with me. So although I know Im not getting a new mother board, I'm scared of sending this in. Not only that I don't want to pay for shipping and be without a phone. Just a little rant I guess. So I don't know what i'm going to do.
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So I ordered a silver HTC one. Got black. I know Amazon issue right. So I stuck it out until the end of the return widow. Because I didn't want to be with a phone over a color. So eventually I did the exchange. The new HTC one I got now has bleeding of the buttons backlight on the bottom right hand corner. Now Amazon does not want anything to do with the phone. So now I have no choice but to send it into HTC for a repair. I have to pay for shipping and be without a phone again for at least 2 weeks. Now the last time HTC has fixed something for me they forced me to buy a new phone! They had replaced the motherboard and did a "IMEI transfer" and the IMEI could never be activated. HTC said it wasn't in sprint database. Sprint said the phone was broken. Both of them didn't want anything to do with me. So although I know Im not getting a new mother board, I'm scared of sending this in. Not only that I don't want to pay for shipping and be without a phone. Just a little rant I guess. So I don't know what i'm going to do.
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Don't send it in unless it is a major problem. I would have just stuck with the black that was fine except the color. When you exchange you never know what you might get. I don't know how bad the led bleed is, but ones I've seen are not so bad I would ever return one.
Good luck.
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Don't send it in unless it is a major problem. I would have just stuck with the black that was fine except the color. When you exchange you never know what you might get. I don't know how bad the led bleed is, but ones I've seen are not so bad I would ever return one.
Good luck.
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Thanks
Yeah, I might wait a while. For how small it is. It's very annoying watching videos in darkness. I got to say though silver is much better than black. I had fingerprints all over the back. Like my evo lte :/ . Maybe when I go on vacation and activate my Note. I'll send it in though, only if they pay for shipping.
My screen bleeds, there are a bunch of white dots when the screen is on but black, I thought it was going to bother me a lot and wanted to exchange, but didn't, you'll probably get over it too, so don't sent it lol
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Don't send it in unless it is a major problem. I would have just stuck with the black that was fine except the color. When you exchange you never know what you might get. I don't know how bad the led bleed is, but ones I've seen are not so bad I would ever return one.
Good luck.
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You must not be American. /jk
If you PAID money for your device, you are ENTITLED to a perfectly functioning, as advertised product. If HTC screws up, they will pay for shipping until they get it right (except the first time). So keep at it. Plus, why would you buy from amazon? The HTC website has it for a similar price, I'm sure.
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My phone has a bad screen/buttons/light, and it came this way, and no one will help me, so I have to go through HTC, which is not fun or cheap, or right.
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Call sprint corporate number. Say that your local store is not treating you to the proper standards that you, as a Sprint customer expect and deserve. Let them know that you are paying insurance for the device, but that you have not broken nor damaged any part of the phone, that this is how the phone has come, and that many other users have had the SAME problems you are facing, and they have been treated with respect and diligence. Sprint is top-notch at customer support, but sometimes local stores are assholes. One 19 year old kid (no offense to 19 y/os) thought he could treat me like **** cuz his name tag said 'manager'. He said since my phone was rooted he could not and would not assist me with an Evo 4G LTE hardware issue. I kindly informed him that Sprint corporate policy dictates that a rooted phone must be treated as any other phone. It will also be subject to a stock software 'update'. He said: "I am the manager, and I don't want my store helping people that root their phones". Called corporate on his rude ass, where they linked me to said policy, so I could print it. I went the next day, with key parts highlighted for him... He thanked me [sarcastically] for my phone call, and said he now had to deal with his write-up. Oh and he handed me a new phone which was shipped next-day for me
Long story short, Sprint takes care of their customers... But there is always one guy or another that just wants to be an ass. Speak with someone at corporate, maybe ask for a supervisor when you they answer. Let them know that you are being wronged. You will be helped. Oh and don't forget to say you wanted silver.
My HTC One is clean, beautiful, and 0 flaws, no light leakage, no recessed buttons, no screen popping out. But fortunately this was just luck; it's my first One
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You must not be American. /jk
If you PAID money for your device, you are ENTITLED to a perfectly functioning, as advertised product. If HTC screws up, they will pay for shipping until they get it right (except the first time). So keep at it. Plus, why would you buy from amazon? The HTC website has it for a similar price, I'm sure.
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It was 150 at the time.
Tilde88 said:
Call sprint corporate number. Say that your local store is not treating you to the proper standards that you, as a Sprint customer expect and deserve. Let them know that you are paying insurance for the device, but that you have not broken nor damaged any part of the phone, that this is how the phone has come, and that many other users have had the SAME problems you are facing, and they have been treated with respect and diligence. Sprint is top-notch at customer support, but sometimes local stores are assholes. One 19 year old kid (no offense to 19 y/os) thought he could treat me like **** cuz his name tag said 'manager'. He said since my phone was rooted he could not and would not assist me with an Evo 4G LTE hardware issue. I kindly informed him that Sprint corporate policy dictates that a rooted phone must be treated as any other phone. It will also be subject to a stock software 'update'. He said: "I am the manager, and I don't want my store helping people that root their phones". Called corporate on his rude ass, where they linked me to said policy, so I could print it. I went the next day, with key parts highlighted for him... He thanked me [sarcastically] for my phone call, and said he now had to deal with his write-up. Oh and he handed me a new phone which was shipped next-day for me
Long story short, Sprint takes care of their customers... But there is always one guy or another that just wants to be an ass. Speak with someone at corporate, maybe ask for a supervisor when you they answer. Let them know that you are being wronged. You will be helped. Oh and don't forget to say you wanted silver.
My HTC One is clean, beautiful, and 0 flaws, no light leakage, no recessed buttons, no screen popping out. But fortunately this was just luck; it's my first One
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Well I think I made progress They said they are "escalating" it. It wasn't fun or easy. But they are much nicer.
Dogie52 said:
Well I think I made progress They said they are "escalating" it. It wasn't fun or easy. But they are much nicer.
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Good luck! No one should have to suffer through build quality issues. Point period.
@Dogie52
So what was the outcome?
Thisis why I won't order my phone's through a third party online. I will order online but only from places I can physically return them to like sprint online or bestbuy online. Most times my phone's r fine but if I do have a problem I don't want to go through the waiting process.
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@Dogie52
So what was the outcome?
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I couldn't thank you enough man. Sprint corporate was very nice they out of question sent me a HTC one. Thanks again! Oh and sorry for a long wait im in the process of moving and im without a computer
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I couldn't thank you enough man. Sprint corporate was very nice they out of question sent me a HTC one. Thanks again! Oh and sorry for a long wait im in the process of moving and im without a computer
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glad it got sorted out. I love Sprint
I called Verizon as I am having GPS issues. I was going to get a cert like new and while I wait, restore and send back non-working unit. When I called, the woman said she was going to run some diagnostics on her end (new to me) and said that she can detect that the software had been altered. She recommended that I reset the phone because if she put this through and it was rooted, I would be charged.
Are they able to tell your phone is rooted from their system without having it? Were they always able to do that?
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I called Verizon as I am having GPS issues. I was going to get a cert like new and while I wait, restore and send back non-working unit. When I called, the woman said she was going to run some diagnostics on her end (new to me) and said that she can detect that the software had been altered. She recommended that I reset the phone because if she put this through and it was rooted, I would be charged.
Are they able to tell your phone is rooted from their system without having it? Were they always able to do that?
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It wouldn't surprise me, but I can't imagine technology is that advanced, considering they are basically violating your privacy with a tool such as the one described. They could basically "tap" into your phone firmware/software whenever they want, and grab whatever information they want. I couldn't imagine, while possible, they would actually do it.
That said, you need to deal directly with LG. Verizon, along with many other carriers, will void your warranty at the flip of a dime because it's more income for them. I was an LG certified technician from 2005-2010, and while a technician, we did not void warranties for rooting unless we found evidence the firmware/software change interrupted the hardware, such as overclocking.
Once again, deal with LG directly. Verizon will snub you whenever they get the chance. Also, did I mention that most representatives have no idea what the hell they're talking about in the first place?
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It wouldn't surprise me, but I can't imagine technology is that advanced, considering they are basically violating your privacy with a tool such as the one described. They could basically "tap" into your phone firmware/software whenever they want, and grab whatever information they want. I couldn't imagine, while possible, they would actually do it.
That said, you need to deal directly with LG. Verizon, along with many other carriers, will void your warranty at the flip of a dime because it's more income for them. I was an LG certified technician from 2005-2010, and while a technician, we did not void warranties for rooting unless we found evidence the firmware/software change interrupted the hardware, such as overclocking.
Once again, deal with LG directly. Verizon will snub you whenever they get the chance. Also, did I mention that most representatives have no idea what the hell they're talking about in the first place?
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She definitely str8 up said "it looks like your phone has been rooted" after she did her "diagnostics" when calling *611. SO... the tool exists.
The problem I have with sending it to LG for fixing is that I have to pay for shipping it, wait a week or two without a phone while they fix it, etc. With VZW, I can restore to stock and then get a phone immediatley.
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The problem I have with sending it to LG for fixing is that I have to pay for shipping it, wait a week or two without a phone while they fix it, etc. With VZW, I can restore to stock and then get a phone immediatley.
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Well, that's your option. Did you restore it? Whether the representative can "detect" root or not, when they see a completely stock phone in retail, they'll probably replace it.
That said, you've got me curious as to whether Verizon can actually detect root over the phone. The research has started. . .
Edit: After about five minutes, it's apparently possible via a Verizon Remote Diagnostics app that they send out with updates. I definitely don't agree with it, and I'm glad I can say that with custom ROM's, that garbage is removed.
http://phandroid.com/2012/03/20/droid-charge-fp1-update-brings-verizon-remote-diagnostics-bug-fixes/
Verizon knows at all times what software your running. I used to work as tech support for VZW. Than can also see how many apps u got, how much memory u used, etc. Its an invasion of of privacy. But what can we do?
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Verizon knows at all times what software your running. I used to work as tech support for VZW. Than can also see how many apps u got, how much memory u used, etc. Its an invasion of of privacy. But what can we do?
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Yeah, she said to me over the phone, after saying she was going to run diagnostics... "you've got 40% memory available, etc etc."
I am running a custom rom though. I'm using Xdabbeb's 24A. Could that tool not been removed or hidden?
Just turn off radios when calling. Then say, "I don't know whats wrong... I have 4 bars of 4G"
Need a replacement for my Moto X. Called them up and the guy could tell my phone was rooted but said he would ship out regardless. 5 days later no confirmation of it being shipped and it hadn't arrived so I gave them a call. It said your certified replacement device has been denied because you are rooted.
So I wonder if the steps to get a phone replaced would be to return to unrooted stock, then contact customer service? Or do they keep track of everything we do from the second we turn it on?
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So I wonder if the steps to get a phone replaced would be to return to unrooted stock, then contact customer service? Or do they keep track of everything we do from the second we turn it on?
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I'm now curious of the same question. I seriously can't believe they can see all that, even with a custom ROM. I mean, since this has been confirmed, couldn't this be a lawsuit of some sort? Am I the only person feeling this way? It's a blatant invasion of privacy.
It really is @UrbanBounca, but they'd probably tell you it's hidden in the agreement we all signed or the classic "don't like it, don't use our service". Only the big boys can get away with these kind of shenanigans.
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I bought my phone outright for 399 or 499, I forget. I have a month to month contract on the UDP plan. Its my frigging phone. I'll do what I want with it. I understand when I root, I loose the warranty. I understand that if I'm tethering, I could get my wrist slapped.
Why call VZW for anything?
If your worried, don't root. If not, suck it up buttercups!!
I went thru the same thing with my Dodge Truck. I came to the conclusion that I am my own warranty station, plain and simple.
If your gonna do stuff to YOUR possessions, that might void a warranty, its not the manufactures fault, its yours, but YOU have the choice.
Of course VZW can see you phone, then they give all that info to the NSA for tax breaks
After a bit more research, I've found that they can only run diagnostics if (a) you're on ICS or above and (b) you have the MyVerizon app installed.
I don't have the MyVerizon app, and after hearing this, I won't be installing it.
Why would anyone use MyVerizon? It is certainly not NEEDED for anything productive.
Thanks Devs, from my LG G2
It'd definitely the my Verizon app. Even if you block superuser access to it they can still detect it. The customer service reps also make you install it when going through the process. I'm leaving Verizon next month after my last line is free from contract. 3 lines with unlimited data going up on eBay.
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Verizon's Remote Diagnostics allows them to remotely control your device to fix things. I used to do this all the time. Usually its somebody that doesn't have a clue how to use android. So, I'd ask for permission, they'd get a pop up to put in a pin number I've give them, and i'd have total control of their phone, even view some fun stuff in their galleries!!! LOL Sometimes it was the only way to fix a problem than have granny go to a local verizon store.
....But before we even get permission to control a person's phone, on Verizon's side of things the Diagnostic tool lists everything about the phone. It doesn't matter what rom you have, it will show up. Anything in Settings they can mostly see.
If you want to avoid problems, best bet it to do a full stock restore, and run your phone for a few minutes before you call so their systems can see your full stock and not rooted.
Some Verizon Tech Reps are very anal, and will give you a hard time for anything, like if they are on a mission to discredit anybody that calls. Others, like I was mostly took your word for your problem. If I could fix it, I would, or I just send a replacement. I could care less if your rooted. I'd send anybody a phone. 80% of the time its a snobby business man, making $500k a year, mad as hell his phone freezes or his battery drains fast, and demands a replacement. I never argued with these kind of people, as they made the big bucks and I only made $40k a year. I even told one guy I didn't get paid enough to argue with him, and I'll send him a replacement no problem. lol
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Verizon's Remote Diagnostics allows them to remotely control your device to fix things. I used to do this all the time. Usually its somebody that doesn't have a clue how to use android. So, I'd ask for permission, they'd get a pop up to put in a pin number I've give them, and i'd have total control of their phone, even view some fun stuff in their galleries!!! LOL Sometimes it was the only way to fix a problem than have granny go to a local verizon store.
....But before we even get permission to control a person's phone, on Verizon's side of things the Diagnostic tool lists everything about the phone. It doesn't matter what rom you have, it will show up. Anything in Settings they can mostly see.
If you want to avoid problems, best bet it to do a full stock restore, and run your phone for a few minutes before you call so their systems can see your full stock and not rooted.
Some Verizon Tech Reps are very anal, and will give you a hard time for anything, like if they are on a mission to discredit anybody that calls. Others, like I was mostly took your word for your problem. If I could fix it, I would, or I just send a replacement. I could care less if your rooted. I'd send anybody a phone. 80% of the time its a snobby business man, making $500k a year, mad as hell his phone freezes or his battery drains fast, and demands a replacement. I never argued with these kind of people, as they made the big bucks and I only made $40k a year. I even told one guy I didn't get paid enough to argue with him, and I'll send him a replacement no problem. lol
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The women I got kept saying to do a "factory reset" because if she put in the order for a CLNR that I would be charged if I was rooted. After I got off the call, I got the impression she was telling me to unroot my phone, restore to stock and then call back to place the order.
I had a custom rom, but it was stock based. I believe I did have the MyVerizon app on there.
I just rooted my 24A G2 and the moment I rebooted, I got a notification popup saying 'You have modified the system software' or something like that. So it is phoning home (no pun intended) and tripping a flag somewhere. I'm sure no one is looking at it unless you call, so before you call, flash back to 100% stock.
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I'm now curious of the same question. I seriously can't believe they can see all that, even with a custom ROM. I mean, since this has been confirmed, couldn't this be a lawsuit of some sort? Am I the only person feeling this way? It's a blatant invasion of privacy.
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It's not an invasion of privacy. They are protecting themselves from all of the warranty fraud that happens when people who complain about their phones try to return them under warranty.
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When it comes to having to get a new phone, Verizon will not give you one if you have altered the phone. However, let's say your headphone jack stopped working and you need to send it in to get it repaired. They HAVE to fix your phone, regardless if it's rooted or not. Why? Because the only way they can't do warranty repairs with your phone being rooted, is because they HAVE to prove that rooting directly caused the issue with the phone. This is per the Magnusson-Moss Act Chapter 50 of United States Code Section 2304, which states:
Waiver of standards
The performance of the duties under subsection (a) of this section shall not be required of the warrantor if he can show that the defect, malfunction, or failure of any warranted consumer product to conform with a written warranty, was caused by damage (not resulting from defect or malfunction) while in the possession of the consumer, or unreasonable use (including failure to provide reasonable and necessary maintenance). (d) Remedy without charge For purposes of this section and of section 2302© of this
title, the term "without charge" means that the warrantor may not assess the consumer for any costs the warrantor or his representatives incur in connection with the required remedy of a warranted consumer product. An obligation under subsection (a)(1)(A) of this section to remedy without charge does not necessarily require the warrantor to compensate the consumer for incidental expenses; however, if any incidental expenses are incurred because the remedy is not made within a reasonable time or
because the warrantor imposed an unreasonable duty upon the consumer as a condition of securing remedy, then the consumer shall be entitled to recover reasonable incidental expenses which are so incurred in any action against the warrantor.
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So how does that mean my warranty isn't voided? If you go out and buy a brand new G2, you root it and have no issues. No problems. Then a 6 weeks later, you plug in your headphones and all of a sudden, no sound is coming out of your head phones. Or the sound coming out of your speaker is crackling. Or your SIM/SD card door breaks off. Just because you rooted your phone, LG still has to honor the 1 year warranty pertaining to THOSE problems. They will STILL have to fix your headphone jack, THEY STILL have to install a new speaker and STILL have to give you a new SIM/SD card door.
Reference;
http://www.droidrzr.com/index.php/t...-users-may-have-about-rooting-and-warranties/
edit: Story of my process last night.
So I got my phone in the morning, and opened it up to find the screen was swirled and scratched and looked really bad in any light. Luckily my mom preordered the S6 (I have the S6 Edge) so I went over to her house to compare phones or to see if she had any scratches on hers. Her phone was absolutely perfect and was a good side by side of what my phone should have looked like. So I went into the AT&T store to activate and talk about getting a replacement or something.
I told AT&T about my concerns about the swirling and scratching and the worker that was helping me looked at it and then tried to justify it. He told me that it looked like a "geometric pattern" so clearly it wasn't from shipping and it was clearly from manufacturing. I think he was trying to comment on the concentric circling of the scratches, so I got what he was saying, but regardless of where the damage came from I felt like they should be responsible for it since they are the ones selling the phone.
Well, I asked what my options are. He told me that I couldn't activate the phone because then I wouldn't be able to return it to an AT&T store to get it replaced. He then told me that it was Samsungs problem and that I should contact their support to get it fixed, since it was a preorder he claimed the phone came straight from Samsung and not AT&T so they aren't responsible. A manager walked over to see how everything was going and when I mentioned my issues, he basically just told me that it sucked. He then walked away. On my way out I told another manager (I am assuming they were both managers. They had dress coats on that said Manager and had the AT&T logo on it.) The other manager said basically the same thing.... "Bummer." And that was it. I walked out with no options from AT&T.
I contacted Samsung and their support told me that I need to talk to AT&T about it since Samsung only manufactures the phones and AT&T sells them, so it's AT&Ts problem since they are the ones actually selling the device. So I got the official run around.
My only bet is to go back to AT&T on the 10th... which I'm supposed to be out of town, so I'm not sure what I'm going to do.
Going to try to contact AT&T today and see what they say.
Like T-Mobile people were complaining about, the screen is swirled straight out of the box. It looks really bad.
I can try and get pictures if people want. Just figured I'd get a thread started to see if anyone else has the problem.
Edit: Picture here. I'll take more tonight.
http://imgur.com/HEyLpUa
Some closeup pictures please. I was checking with someone else on other thread who received his AT&T device. No scratches on his. And maybe you should update the existing scratches thread.
yoman258 said:
Like T-Mobile people were complaining about, the screen is swirled straight out of the box. It looks really bad.
I can try and get pictures if people want. Just figured I'd get a thread started to see if anyone else has the problem.
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Place of manufacturing? Vietnam?
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I tried getting a picture, but I only have my phone and it won't focus on the screen.
Um, I'm not sure the place of manufacture, I'd assume vietnam.
I went to the att store and they basically said I have to talk to samsung about it.
yoman258 said:
I tried getting a picture, but I only have my phone and it won't focus on the screen.
Um, I'm not sure the place of manufacture, I'd assume vietnam.
I went to the att store and they basically said I have to talk to samsung about it.
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Yeah, F that. They sold you the scratched up device and now they don't want to take responsibility for it.
Welp... it continues. Guess I'll call AT&T while I'm opening mine tomorrow just to make sure I have a replacement on the way before I even have time to be disappointed lol.
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Some closeup pictures please. I was checking with someone else on other thread who received his AT&T device. No scratches on his. And maybe you should update the existing scratches thread.
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http://imgur.com/HEyLpUa
That's all I could get with just my cell phone, I will take some better pictures tonight when I get home.
Is it the same swirly pattern? I can semi see it.
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Is it the same swirly pattern? I can semi see it.
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It's the same exact swirl pattern that people on the T-Mobile forums are talking about. It looks like an old cars paint in the sun.
Sorry to see you have this problem. Both the phones that I've received, mine and my girlfriend's, seem to be scratch free. I tried to scrutinize with the brightest light I could find, the sun etc, but I couldn't see a blemish. The battery life is crap, but that's another story.
Hope you get this resolved.
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Sorry to see you have this problem. Both the phones that I've received, mine and my girlfriend's, seem to be scratch free. I tried to scrutinize with the brightest light I could find, the sun etc, but I couldn't see a blemish. The battery life is crap, but that's another story.
Hope you get this resolved.
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I just want to use the phone. I was so excited to use it, but I can't activate it because then AT&T apparently won't let me exchange it...
I wouldn't mind the scratches if I was allowed to use the phone until a new, scratch free one got here... but whatever. Stuck with my S4 while everyone else gets to enjoy their new stuff.
In all honesty man, I'd try another ATT store. I think they are just trying to shirk responsibility. Or call them and have them overnight you one. It is their product, their responsibility.
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In all honesty man, I'd try another ATT store. I think they are just trying to shirk responsibility. Or call them and have them overnight you one. It is their product, their responsibility.
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Yeah, talking with AT&T support now.
Is anyone getting Edge's that aren't scratched?
My 128gb Black Sapphire Edge should be here tomorrow. Think I'll be taking it to my local AT&T next to my work to unbox it so there is no discrepancies incase the display is scratched.
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My 128gb Black Sapphire Edge should be here tomorrow. Think I'll be taking it to my local AT&T next to my work to unbox it so there is no discrepancies incase the display is scratched.
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I called ATT support and they are sending me a new one out.
Sucks because I got the phone on Monday, but I probably won't get to actually use one until the end of the week. Which is fine, just excited.
However, I am going to assume this new one getting sent out is going to be scratched too.
The 128GB models have been fine I think, mostly 32GB models are scratched. Which makes me feel dumb for buying the 32GB model now... Should have just gotten the bigger version.
I used to work in an AT&T store, basically replacing the phones in store is the managers discretion and they never want that on their audit because it somehow looks bad for them, or at least that is the impression our manager gave us. So our store handled those situations the same way, we just kind of keep passing off the blame and hope it will carry the customer out of the store (no longer our problem).
The only way to get something done through AT&T is to call into support as you did, sometimes support will even notate on the account that the store has to replace the device. This kind of forces the store to do so, because there is a trail and the regional manager would get pissed when they discover the store keeps passing off issues. We had a customer do that once and our manager still refused to replace it, so the customer kept calling into support until the regional manager was notified and took a look at the account and then they see notes for weeks that the customer has attempted going into a store for help and been fighting with the store manager.
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The 128GB models have been fine I think, mostly 32GB models are scratched. Which makes me feel dumb for buying the 32GB model now... Should have just gotten the bigger version.
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How sure are you about this?
The reason I ask is that I hadn't really noticed many people posting which specific model they had that was scratched, but there could be some credibility to it, and a bit of shady dealings on Samsung's part if this is actually the case.
Should have my 128GB in a few hours here.
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My 128gb Black Sapphire Edge should be here tomorrow. Think I'll be taking it to my local AT&T next to my work to unbox it so there is no discrepancies incase the display is scratched.
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Poetique said:
How sure are you about this?
The reason I ask is that I hadn't really noticed many people posting which specific model they had that was scratched, but there could be some credibility to it, and a bit of shady dealings on Samsung's part if this is actually the case.
Should have my 128GB in a few hours here.
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I've only seen maybe one person complain about 128GB version, everyone else with 128GB versions have been fine.
However, everyone with 32GB versions seem to be having the issue. It could be coincidence and have to do with popularity of the 32GB over the 128GB.
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I called ATT support and they are sending me a new one out.
Sucks because I got the phone on Monday, but I probably won't get to actually use one until the end of the week. Which is fine, just excited.
However, I am going to assume this new one getting sent out is going to be scratched too.
The 128GB models have been fine I think, mostly 32GB models are scratched. Which makes me feel dumb for buying the 32GB model now... Should have just gotten the bigger version.
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So exactly how'd this process go for you?
They gave me so much run around I've got half a mind to go to every AT&T store I can just to curse out random employees until I feel better.
The short of the line of crap they gave me is that the shipper (FedEx) is to blame and that a case will have to be opened with them before -anything- else occurs. This of course leaves me with no device until they and FedEx discuss whatever they need to in order to deal with this bullcrap.
What I'm going to do for now is see if I can wait until the local retail store gets their units in to just do an exchange. If that doesn't work, I don't know... maybe I'll be an ass and let my lawyer give them a call. Frankly I'm just that irritated at this point.
Those of you experiencing issues with the screen display being garbled, it finally became listed as a known issue for Sprint. This is good for those of you having it! You should be able to get into a store and get the phone replaced for free even without insurence. It will say in the "known issues" area for techs to waive the exchange fee if thats the reason its being replaced.
I had the issue and the reps said it's a known issue. Seems to be related to a certain batch of phones and the latest update. They tried replacing the screen first and it didn't fix it then he went to the spring employee forum and then he seen its a widespread issue and they replaced my phone for me. Hope this helps
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I just started to notice this today in some apps where the screen will split in two then have just snow in certain portions. Is that what you all are seeing?
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I just started to notice this today in some apps where the screen will split in two then have just snow in certain portions. Is that what you all are seeing?
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Yes. That is the exact issue. I did a factory reset on mine. I dont have the issue as much. Only when it gets warm. But i am going to get it replaced
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Yeah, where it it displays Snow on half the screen. We just got an offical email about it today to say that its now listed as a "known issue" for the device with an exchange waiver. So hopefully any of you with the issue can go in and get it fixed. You should be able to do so even without insurence. If they argue you that you need to pay tell them to check the site...it will say "waive fee"
I haven't gotton the chance to check since I've been off today.
Thank you for this I had to argue with the Sprint Tech support last night about this and they came up with a deal to pay my insurance for a month to swap the phone out and are sending me a new one. I reset my phone as well and haven't messed with the DPI and I have even heated it up a few times and don't seem to have the issue. I also quite running Google Now launcher and don't seem to have any problems today. Odd. Almost feel like it don't need to swap the phone but maybe I'll do the Xposed mod on this one as a test and still swap it when the other one comes....
Well it looks like they went back on the known issue and won't replace for free till LG admits its an issue. I replaced out a screen and the issue persisted for a person. Makes me wonder if it's motherboard issue. I'll keep you guys posted once it becomes official.
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Well it looks like they went back on the known issue and won't replace for free till LG admits its an issue. I replaced out a screen and the issue persisted for a person. Makes me wonder if it's motherboard issue. I'll keep you guys posted once it becomes official.
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Are there any current known issues that they will replace the phone? I am having random reboots which is very infuriating. However, I was stupid and bought from Best Buy so I am not even sure a Sprint store could help me as they can't even activate my old phone! I have to go into Best Buy for them... I don't think I am technically a Sprint customer anymore but a Best Buy one with this weird plan they got me on that "saved" me money. $5 a month is not worth it for all this craziness I am now gong through!
Anyway, sorry to hijack this thread but I don't know if the screen issue relates to the random reboots people have been having but it seems that the first batch may have faulty CPUs according to another post. I really don't want to claim insurance because I want to be positive I don't get another phone that is the bad batch. I heard LG have been sending some people new phones so maybe I will try to go that route as the likely hood of them still having stock from the bad batch is less likely then Sprint or Best Buy.
This is the worst electronics purchase I have ever made!
It's not a listed known issue so sprint won't replace it unless you have TEP. If you do just take into a repair center and have then do all their tech crap and once they see its still rebooting randomly theyll replace it. My ATT one never did any of these stuff that sprint ones seems to be having issues with.. Makes me wonder about model numbers lol
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wilsonch1551 said:
Thank you for this I had to argue with the Sprint Tech support last night about this and they came up with a deal to pay my insurance for a month to swap the phone out and are sending me a new one. I reset my phone as well and haven't messed with the DPI and I have even heated it up a few times and don't seem to have the issue. I also quite running Google Now launcher and don't seem to have any problems today. Odd. Almost feel like it don't need to swap the phone but maybe I'll do the Xposed mod on this one as a test and still swap it when the other one comes....
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So it started again this weekend and I think it is tied to the phone being hot. If I am running intense video play back or high graphics games it will happen. I have left everything stock just to test it out and it has returned. As long as the phone is cool then it doesn't happen but the minute it starts to warm up from prolonged screen use then the problem returns. FYI.... Hopefully the new one gets here today and doesn't have the same problem.
Newest Update. I have been discussing this issue on Facebook on the Sprint page because they don't seem to understand the difference between "Warranty" and "Insurance". They are seeing it my way but does bring to light the BS they are shoveling that you have to buy insurance on your devices for things that should be covered by a Warranty. They need to review their policies on this and make things easier on folks who have defective merchandise and aren't just clumsy with phones.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/440497.html
Oh so now I am told that the LG G4 from Sprint is on back order.....
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Well it looks like they went back on the known issue and won't replace for free till LG admits its an issue. I replaced out a screen and the issue persisted for a person. Makes me wonder if it's motherboard issue. I'll keep you guys posted once it becomes official.
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Wait I thought EVERYONE was having this issue. If you get the patch of visual "snow" on your screen occasionally, you're saying the phone should be replaced completely?
My phone also gets REALLY hot sometimes. Pretty annoying. Obviously tanks the battery
send device into LG
I had the same issue where the screen would get garbled, show different colors (pink/purple/blue/green etc..) all screwed up. The camera app would crash when I would constantly switch from front facing to rear facing camera. My device got really slow had to reset/reformat it a few times. I thought it was due to rooting it or whatnot. I don't think that was it. I think it was a bad batch. I sent it in to LG two weeks ago and got it back today. Their message back on the paper was replaced flash/memory.
They actually sent me a completely new device. I think the touch screen issues are gone as well as the original issue. This feels like a brand new device not part of a bad batch. I'm glad I sent it in. You should do the same. It's probably part of the same problem posted in this thread. I'm a happy camper now.
Warranty is covered by LG. Thus you go to LG after 14 days you need insurance to get sprint to replace it normally. There's no issue that's just how it works and the termology backs it.
Devices get it everyone in a while, the thing is when half the screen us garbled and it happens frequently
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Difference between Warranty and Insurance
soulysephiroth said:
Warranty is covered by LG. Thus you go to LG after 14 days you need insurance to get sprint to replace it normally. There's no issue that's just how it works and the termology backs it.
Devices get it everyone in a while, the thing is when half the screen us garbled and it happens frequently
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The issue I have is that I shouldn't have to pay insurance for a company to warranty something they sold me. If I didn't break the device then they should be the one to handle it for me with the manufacturer that they represent. I shouldn't have to go back to the manufacturer because they didn't sell me the device. If I had dunked it or broken it I agree I should have to pay out of pocket but that's not what happened.
This answer explains it and since I am already paying Sprint for cell service I shouldn't have to be inconvenienced as the customer to get a warranty item taken care of.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/440497.html
A Google answers thread isn't policy. Sprint guaranteed the phone to work in the first 14 as per policy. The warranty you're claiming is a manufacturing one, not sprints warranty. It's lgs warranty for a year.
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Here's a straight answer to your issue with warranty vs insurance.
THE WARRANTY IS THROUGH LG. They are the only ones who guarantee the phone to work for a year.
Sprint Asurion insurance: Will cover your phone for 2 repairs/replacements for free in a year, after that 25 dollars a repair or replacement, and if you have a lost, stolen, water damaged, or cracked display over an inch will be a deductible.
If you don't have TEP, then after 14 days Sprint will not cover replacements for your device UNLESS its a KNOWN ISSUE. As of right now, Sprint doesn't have anything officially listed as known issue till LG admits they have a problem and work out a deal with sprint to pay for the replacements.
You're arguing that Sprint has to honor LG's warranty, which is simple not the case. If that was the case Sprint wouldn't offer insurance at all.
I appreciate your take on things and having been with other more expensive carriers the question of insurance is a matter of perspective. With At&t within the first year they will just swap the phone out. Now this may be because they charge you more for their service and as they see it they would rather reduce the hassle and take care of the device with the manufacturer. With Sprint they have chosen to try and compete on a price model that requires that they charge for insurance as they don't have the money built into the plans to cover these sorts of issues. They may never admit that openly but in seeing how the two companies have addressed similar issues that would be the appearance of it.
Either way I now know that if it want to have anything close to the device coverage I had with At&t then I have to pay for Sprint "Insurance" so be it.
I am having the vertical split screen issue as well...it's just started happening and I am up to 1 month of ownership. Where is the best place to go to inquire about an LG warranty replacement?