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[TT] Peripherals possible?

While looking around my phone I came up with a couple of thoughts. First would it be possible to make devices that plugged into the miniusb port on the top of the phone and could it be plug and play? Heck maybe even make the driver if necessary built into flash memory on the new device. It seems like it just takes an kernel update to make something like this possible if it's not already.
The second thing I thought of is if the above isn't possible, why not create an attachable mirror that sits at the right angle to take advantage of the rear camera for video chat. You could project your image onto the mirror and the camera could catch that. The top idea is alot better, the bottom requires alot less knowledge. Either would get us video chat.

Interesting, i like the first idea.

I like the first idea, though for video chat I would rather someone figured out where to pick up the actual modual that goes inside the phone (there's a thread about how they left the mounting brakets in place for the front cam.)
However for other things, like maybe a gamepad+extended battery combo, or an IR blaster to operate my TV

q426669 said:
I like the first idea, though for video chat I would rather someone figured out where to pick up the actual modual that goes inside the phone (there's a thread about how they left the mounting brakets in place for the front cam.)
However for other things, like maybe a gamepad+extended battery combo, or an IR blaster to operate my TV
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This is the thread you were talking about.

From what I understand about micro usb is that there are five wires/confections. The outside connections are ground and power. The two next to the ground are for data (one + and one -) and the last one next to power is a identification connection. If the wireis connected/has power then its a source device (i.e. computer). If its not, then its a peripheral (portable hard drive, out in our case, our phone). Its been a bit since I read up on that, so it might be vice versa.
Last time I tore the phone apart, I didn't look, but it may be a setting that is hard-wired (literally), or its a switch controlled by software. If it's the latter, then its possible, if its hard wired, then its not.
Adding things to the kernel or loading drivers isn't cut and paste. It takes available source code, which isn't always available, for both the phone and the device you want to use (that works with android), as well as understanding of how to make it work.
That last part I am not well versed on. But we have a couple devs trying to get the vibrant opened up. They are few, and the request list keeps getting larger.
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I was just thinking today that it would be great to have a micro-usb device that could house a camera for video chat... I like your mirror idea...I'm prius owner and that's how the dashboard works. The usb is right there...really I think someone should incorporate a device in a mod of the back cover...i don't know anything about code but I could make the case.
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Devices require a driver of some kind so the controller knows how to talk to device. For example, if I wanted to hook up my DSLR and control it, I would need a driver ported over and then the SDK for the camera would have to be ported over. An OS like Windows 7 has literally thousands of drivers built in and many other devices require you to install a driver. The only time "plug and play" actually works is either with the OS has the driver already installed or if the device is designed around a generic driver.

Incredible idea! I'm going to make the second idea. I have my own twist on the concept but it shouldn't be to difficult.
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I like the first idea but I also had a similar idea and I'd like to see the attached camera come with led's and somehow acct as a flash for both cameras. It could be tiny, if the camera app could be figured out to trigger the flash on all galaxy s models, well at least the vibrant and captivate this could sell.
If a third party app was developed it could be added to any android phone in theory. If that third party app was as good as the galaxy s stock camera app then you'd really be in business.
If I was talking to my brother I'd have tried to convince him to help me develope something. Well I hope one of you talented devs has success with this idea. I'd also like to see success with the guy adding the extra camera internally, I'd be interested in performing the mod if the software end is figured out.
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I can take or leave peripheral support, but I'm DYING for USB host mode!

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I can take or leave peripheral support, but I'm DYING for USB host mode!
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That's the thing, devices that support USB host generally don't use a mini/micro B port. They have specific ports for that. Of course, the USB controller in there may well be able to be a USB host, but we don't know how to enable that from what I have seen. IF the controller can be put into host mode, loads of options like this become possible. It would require kernel mods, but that's not a huge deal. However, as long as we are in USB client mode, the only things we can connect to the port are chargers and computers, as that's all the phone knows how to deal with.

ttabbal said:
That's the thing, devices that support USB host generally don't use a mini/micro B port. They have specific ports for that. Of course, the USB controller in there may well be able to be a USB host, but we don't know how to enable that from what I have seen. IF the controller can be put into host mode, loads of options like this become possible. It would require kernel mods, but that's not a huge deal. However, as long as we are in USB client mode, the only things we can connect to the port are chargers and computers, as that's all the phone knows how to deal with.
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That is exactly what I was trying to say earlier. You put it in better words. Thanks
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almyz125 said:
This is the thread you were talking about.
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Ahhah, I couldn't find it to save my life last night lol! Thanks ^_^

Makes me wonder if you can still take power off of the port and communicate to the device via blue tooth. But I don't think it would come to that.
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Dani897 said:
Makes me wonder if you can still take power off of the port and communicate to the device via blue tooth. But I don't think it would come to that.
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ttabbal said:
That's the thing, devices that support USB host generally don't use a mini/micro B port. They have specific ports for that. Of course, the USB controller in there may well be able to be a USB host, but we don't know how to enable that from what I have seen. IF the controller can be put into host mode, loads of options like this become possible. It would require kernel mods, but that's not a huge deal. However, as long as we are in USB client mode, the only things we can connect to the port are chargers and computers, as that's all the phone knows how to deal with.
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Oh, it's host mode built in already. One of the major pluses that I weighed in on when buying the phone.
"Both the S5PC110 (smartphone chipset) and S5PV210 (its netbook alternative) are optimized to ensure long battery life for mobile devices, using a 45-nanometer (nm) Low Power fabrication process and low power architectures. With the 1GHz clock speed and 512KB L2 cache, these processors should also manage to provide performance unknown to the ARM world so far.
The two processors have built-in 3D graphics engine and support 1080p full HD video playback and recording at 30 fps. The final nice features of the new chipset include a wide variety of interfaces and peripherals, including HDMI 1.3and USB 2.0 host interface."

Hate to kinda go off topic with the USB Host mode stuff again, but it seems like since the interface is built into the chip, host mode should be enabled in the kernel.
Yes? No?
Has anyone tried to get an OTG cable in there to see what happens?
Just saying.

I've been curious about this since I saw it done (rather impressively) by sonic7406 (YouTube) on the Nexus One. Since then, I hear it's also been hacked on the Droid. From my research, I'm pretty confident this should be possible with the right drivers installed on the Galaxy S series. I've gathered together an (supposedly) OTG "compatible" cable (the Nokia CA-101 for Nokia 6600 Slide/N900/etc), an extra-beefy powered hub, and female-to-female USB-A adapter. I have yet to dive into the kernel to load any special drivers, try mounting drives, etc. I'm still unsure of the "OTG" cable and may still need to manually ground that fifth pin to kick it off. Though, as far as the cable is concerned, that is the only thing that makes it OTG on one end.
Host Mode Background Info: OTG Wiki
Here's a modoco thread that includes most of the relevant links I've seen.
Ideally, I'd like to find a microUSB to USB-B OTG cable that connects directly from my phone to the powered hub, but I couldn't find any. Let me know if anyone knows where we could find these.

It seems like we could create an entire new category of toys to attach to our devices if the micro USB port could be figured out. To me that's ultra exciting!
Let's go a few steps further, Being able to physically attach a printer or hdmi (Yes, I know about AllShare) to the tv could require a simple adapter that plugs into the micro USB port on the handset. We could also have a nice flash that has brackets that mount to the handset for support to get better pics in low lighting (instead of just saying "oh, I've got night mode", bugger that).
The capability to do this has to be written at the kernel level and then we need hardware manufactures willing to make the products. Therein lies the problem, how do we get that to work?

My neighbor is an electronics engineer and I'm a machinist, my friend is a tool and die maker.
My neighbor has an idea to make a device for surface mount soldering using an inert liquid with a boiling point equal to the soldering temp. This would be a cheap alternative to infrared soldering.
Other than that I might be able to come up with a housing.
I wouldn't want to commit myself untill the software works and we've tested the soldering machine.
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[Q] USB 2.0

I just noticed when transfering some files to and from my phone that it seems to be running at usb 1.1 speeds. My compuers are giving me the standard windows "Hi-Speed device plugged into non-HI-Speed hub" message on windows xp. I have tried on multiple ports and computers, so im thinking its a defective unit. Anyone else seen or having the same issue?

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I just noticed when transfering some files to and from my phone that it seems to be running at usb 1.1 speeds. My compuers are giving me the standard windows "Hi-Speed device plugged into non-HI-Speed hub" message on windows xp. I have tried on multiple ports and computers, so im thinking its a defective unit. Anyone else seen or having the same issue?
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Weird - try a different cable? Are you sure your computers have 2.0 USB ports? Could it be that this is your first 2.0 device?

I know what he means. I have a pretty nice laptop and external hdd transfers are fine. But even dropping a 20mb file to the internal SD card seems to take awhile. Maybe its the read/write of the internal installed SD card?
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I know what he means. I have a pretty nice laptop and external hdd transfers are fine. But even dropping a 20mb file to the internal SD card seems to take awhile. Maybe its the read/write of the internal installed SD card?
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But the message is the opposite from what is being described. The message says the computer is slow, the phone is fast. You are saying your computer is normally fast but the phone is slow.
I have XP, on a 3 year Dell D630 with no problems.

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But the message is the opposite from what is being described. The message says the computer is slow, the phone is fast. You are saying your computer is normally fast but the phone is slow.
I have XP, on a 3 year Dell D630 with no problems.
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I guess that's what I get for posting when I'm busy LOL. I suppose in that case it might be a bad unit. Mine connects fine on win7.
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Bionic plus USB 3 = Blue Screen of Death on windows 7

I have a Samsung series 7 chronos with 2 USB 3 slots and one USB 2 slot. ok..
I have the Droid Bionic. have had it for about 2 months. I got tired of the camera slowness and battery crush and etc, and saw on these forums that 5.7.893 has lots of fixes.
Having no fear of root I did it. The camera is wicked faster, I get at least 1/2 the battery life I used to have..all is good.
however, I used to be able to connect to ANY of the USB ports on the laptop with no problem. Now, when I connect the Bionic to one of the USB 3 slots (only, the USB 2 slot works fine), I get a BlueSOD on windows 7 after about 3 seconds.
Heres the specifics. If I connect and the the phone is set on USB charging, its fine...If I pick Windows Media Syn, PC mode, or Mass Storage device, the computer immediately goes to Blue screen of death. Specifically
*** STOP: 0x0000007E (0xFFFFFFFFC0000005, 0xFFFFF880066249F2, 0xFFFFF8800377F918, 0xFFFFF8800377F170)
*** asmtxhci.sys - Address FFFFF880066249F2 base at FFFFF88006600000, Datestamp 4de6f522
Did a search of asmtxhci.sys and its a USB 3 driver for the computer
What have I done?
Ran multiple antivirus on the computer...clean as a OCD moms bathroom
I have deleted this driver and reloaded the USB 3 drivers...nothing
I have deleted the motorola drivers, cleaned and reloaded them...nada
I am at a loss...AM I going to have to go back to stock on the Bionic to fix this?
Any suggestions at all?
patiently waiting

TRUST me,sometimes when the driver corruption happens N0THING but a windows format&reinstall will fix it not even the second coming of christ... sorry to tell ya

Might be a problem with the ram or hard drive on your computer since you have c writing error.
I recommend doing a disk cleanup and freeing some space on your computer
Then running checkdisk on your PC in case you have a currupt file system or bad sectors.
I could be wrong and it could be something else all together, but when the BSOD appears like that, I would investigate my Video card, RAM, Processor/chipset, and Hardrive/filesystem. It's usually one of them that's the culprit.
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dellenrules said:
Might be a problem with the ram or hard drive on your computer since you have c writing error.
I recommend doing a disk cleanup and freeing some space on your computer
Then running checkdisk on your PC in case you have a currupt file system or bad sectors.
I could be wrong and it could be something else all together, but when the BSOD appears like that, I would investigate my Video card, RAM, Processor/chipset, and Hardrive/filesystem. It's usually one of them that's the culprit.
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its either what you say or he had a virus and didnt know it, pc got cleaned but the virus screwed something up

I am getting blue screen when awaking from sleep with an iPhone or iPod Touch connected to the USB port. Works fine on the USB 2 ports. I haven't tried an iPod 4g to see if it's related to iOS, but it is definitely related to the USB 3.
Windows 7 Home Pro
Asus laptop
iOS 5.0.1
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mmadchild said:
I have a Samsung series 7 chronos with 2 USB 3 slots and one USB 2 slot. ok..
I have the Droid Bionic. have had it for about 2 months. I got tired of the camera slowness and battery crush and etc, and saw on these forums that 5.7.893 has lots of fixes.
Having no fear of root I did it. The camera is wicked faster, I get at least 1/2 the battery life I used to have..all is good.
however, I used to be able to connect to ANY of the USB ports on the laptop with no problem. Now, when I connect the Bionic to one of the USB 3 slots (only, the USB 2 slot works fine), I get a BlueSOD on windows 7 after about 3 seconds.
Heres the specifics. If I connect and the the phone is set on USB charging, its fine...If I pick Windows Media Syn, PC mode, or Mass Storage device, the computer immediately goes to Blue screen of death. Specifically
*** STOP: 0x0000007E (0xFFFFFFFFC0000005, 0xFFFFF880066249F2, 0xFFFFF8800377F918, 0xFFFFF8800377F170)
*** asmtxhci.sys - Address FFFFF880066249F2 base at FFFFF88006600000, Datestamp 4de6f522
Did a search of asmtxhci.sys and its a USB 3 driver for the computer
What have I done?
Ran multiple antivirus on the computer...clean as a OCD moms bathroom
I have deleted this driver and reloaded the USB 3 drivers...nothing
I have deleted the motorola drivers, cleaned and reloaded them...nada
I am at a loss...AM I going to have to go back to stock on the Bionic to fix this?
Any suggestions at all?
patiently waiting
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Just wanted to let you know: I have the same Bluescreen on my Samsung Series 7 Gaming Laptop (700g7a) & my Nokia N8 Handy. When I connect it in Sync-Mode to an USB 3 port > BSOD
To me it looks like a driver problem on Samsung's side. Our Laptops may share the same drivers/hardware combo on the USB part.
t.

AFAIK, XHCI is for "legacy" USB3 support. Any way to disable that in your BIOS (as there is in mine) and see if that helps?

I get same bsod here with Motorola Atrix, win7x64.

[Q] Transfer speed issues

I have my Moto X which is an awesome device, BUT
My transfer speed is horrible. It takes 5 minutes to transfer a single picture, ~ 200kb from my desktop to my phone.
I have tried various USB cords, both OEM and other cords, as well as other computers. This is the only device that performs this slowly.
Can anyone help me with this?

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I have my Moto X which is an awesome device, BUT
My transfer speed is horrible. It takes 5 minutes to transfer a single picture, ~ 200kb from my desktop to my phone.
I have tried various USB cords, both OEM and other cords, as well as other computers. This is the only device that performs this slowly.
Can anyone help me with this?
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I don't know what to tell you besides that's not normal. Maybe you aren't using the most updated drivers for moto. Go download Moto device manager and see if it fixes it. I transferred Ill say 500 but don't quote me pictures in less than 5 minutes. I did a couple times stop transferring them because it would say 30 minutes to transfer but then again i didn't stop it once and it eventually went back down to less than 5 minutes so I don't know. Drivers is my best advice

Any other ideas? Not working, still taking 5 minnutes to transfer a small item over. -_-
Even contacted Moto tier 2 support who was completely useless. Basically told me that im SOL, goodluck.

Varelse said:
Any other ideas? Not working, still taking 5 minnutes to transfer a small item over. -_-
Even contacted Moto tier 2 support who was completely useless. Basically told me that im SOL, goodluck.
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click reply next time if you want me to know you responded to me. Otherwise it was just change I came by this and remembered posting in it.
Anyway, so you installed moto device manager and had your phone plugged in with MTP so that the device manager ran and updated all of your drivers correct?
You must also have the right cable which I know you said you tried multiple including the one that came with the device. Im assuming you tried multiple usb ports because 3.0 might be causing the problem. Have you tried enabling usb debugging? I'm assuming so.
have you tried a different picture? maybe it is something with the picture itself...
I'm honestly thinking maybe you downloaded moto device manager but then it never updated the phone when you plugged it in. Basically if a web page is not automatically opening every time you plugged your phone in then you didn't update the drivers through moto device manager or you are not connected to the device with MTP but the other option which im blanking on for some reason and don't feel like plugging my phone in. let me know if none of that cleared anything up.

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click reply next time if you want me to know you responded to me. Otherwise it was just change I came by this and remembered posting in it.
Anyway, so you installed moto device manager and had your phone plugged in with MTP so that the device manager ran and updated all of your drivers correct?
You must also have the right cable which I know you said you tried multiple including the one that came with the device. Im assuming you tried multiple usb ports because 3.0 might be causing the problem. Have you tried enabling usb debugging? I'm assuming so.
have you tried a different picture? maybe it is something with the picture itself...
I'm honestly thinking maybe you downloaded moto device manager but then it never updated the phone when you plugged it in. Basically if a web page is not automatically opening every time you plugged your phone in then you didn't update the drivers through moto device manager or you are not connected to the device with MTP but the other option which im blanking on for some reason and don't feel like plugging my phone in. let me know if none of that cleared anything up.
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I've tried multiple pictures, and no go. Downloaded the official moto drivers from motorola's site and still the same.
It seems like for some reason the phone wont allow a transfer for the first few minutes when I try to send something over to it. I dont have it encrypted or anything like that, and my USB debugging has been off.
Why would USB 3.0 be causing the problem? All the ports on all the machines I have tried are 3.0... I dont have any USB 2.0 devices...

Varelse said:
I've tried multiple pictures, and no go. Downloaded the official moto drivers from motorola's site and still the same.
It seems like for some reason the phone wont allow a transfer for the first few minutes when I try to send something over to it. I dont have it encrypted or anything like that, and my USB debugging has been off.
Why would USB 3.0 be causing the problem? All the ports on all the machines I have tried are 3.0... I dont have any USB 2.0 devices...
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IDK why usb 3.0 seems to have issues with some things but it does. You can't flash some stuff on your phone with a 3.0 usb port because it will give you errors. I think the technology just isn't fine tuned for all devices yet. Find a 2.0 port or 1.0 and test it out. I use 1.0 ports because I'm never moving enough stuff that the speed really matters and I know those ports are always stable.

Question Is there a faster way of communication between oneplus and desktop.

Trying to look at pictures on computer (been taking lots of them with this camera)
accessing data is stupid slow and it doesn't make sense
phone unlocked with allow data transfer selected
oneplus charger to usb b port at front of case "equally as slow with usb c at back of motherboard" so I dont think the cable is the bottleneck
I feel like ive tried everything including enabling usb debugging (dont know why but I havent been into tech to the level of this amazing forum since I was young so forgive me if answer is obvious google was useless)
Thanks, D

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Trying to look at pictures on computer (been taking lots of them with this camera)
accessing data is stupid slow and it doesn't make sense
phone unlocked with allow data transfer selected
oneplus charger to usb b port at front of case "equally as slow with usb c at back of motherboard" so I dont think the cable is the bottleneck
I feel like ive tried everything including enabling usb debugging (dont know why but I havent been into tech to the level of this amazing forum since I was young so forgive me if answer is obvious google was useless)
Thanks, D
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to clarify transfer is what to be expected but the loading of thumbnails and data amount or size. once youve loaded all of them its fast.
but it takes a few minutes sometimes.
phones generally have good SSDS so does my computer processors on the phone is good, I cant find the bottleneck, does every device do this???

Windows need to read all your photo, every time you connect the phone. And if you have many photos... it could take some minutes ...
For example my Lenovo Legion y540 with i7 gen9 12mb cache, 16gb ram dual chanel, SSD Samsung 980 Pro 256gb for Windows & Samsung 870 Evo 2 Tb for storage. In my case it takes a few minutes. 2, 3 -5 minuntes. Yes is annoying !

thatoneguydownthestreet said:
Trying to look at pictures on computer (been taking lots of them with this camera)
accessing data is stupid slow and it doesn't make sense
phone unlocked with allow data transfer selected
oneplus charger to usb b port at front of case "equally as slow with usb c at back of motherboard" so I dont think the cable is the bottleneck
I feel like ive tried everything including enabling usb debugging (dont know why but I havent been into tech to the level of this amazing forum since I was young so forgive me if answer is obvious google was useless)
Thanks, D
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If you use the stock Oneplus red cable between the phone and the desktop, it most likely is a 2.0 spec C-type cable (most likely, at least the one that came with my 9 Pro is). Go buy a 3.1 C-type cable (nowadays USB 3.2 Gen 2) or 3.2 C-type cable (nowadays USB 3.2 Gen 2x2)

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Windows need to read all your photo, every time you connect the phone. And if you have many photos... it could take some minutes ...
For example my Lenovo Legion y540 with i7 gen9 12mb cache, 16gb ram dual chanel, SSD Samsung 980 Pro 256gb for Windows & Samsung 870 Evo 2 Tb for storage. In my case it takes a few minutes. 2, 3 -5 minuntes. Yes is annoying !
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That's annoying, I thought the point of a thumbnail was a low res picture for quick access. You'd think in 2022 we'd have a better way.

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If you use the stock Oneplus red cable between the phone and the desktop, it most likely is a 2.0 spec C-type cable (most likely, at least the one that came with my 9 Pro is). Go buy a 3.1 C-type cable (nowadays USB 3.2 Gen 2) or 3.2 C-type cable (nowadays USB 3.2 Gen 2x2)
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Ok so at 2.0 speeds 480 Mbps, suppose all pictures are 15 mb big and they're 1500 of them I'd take 48 seconds to see them all (high res no less)
(But they're not because you click on them and it takes an additional 7 ish seconds to load the image when opened. )
By this logic using a 3.0 cable (4800mbps) ( if ssd supports the speed) should only take about 5 seconds for all images
And it does not because I've used a c to c pixel cable to connect.
So they're must be a software bottleneck preventing a few things
The thumbnail should be small and in turn it should really take no longer than a couple seconds to load low res images ( unless these thumbnails don't exist on the phone and they have to be generated once the phone is plugged in)
It could also be a Windows issue (anyone have a mac that could try accessing their data through the file browser) just like the search feature in Windows takes ages and it's often so bad it can usually be faster finding the file manually it could be a matter of a broken or outdated protocol to read files off a device.
All I'm saying with all of these advertised speeds 5 minutes for 1000 5mb (yes not 15) and a couple big videos is too damn long. I'll be trying to see if there are any softwares out there that let you read of your device in a similar way itunes ( does itunes still exist??) does with apple devices

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If you use the stock Oneplus red cable between the phone and the desktop, it most likely is a 2.0 spec C-type cable (most likely, at least the one that came with my 9 Pro is). Go buy a 3.1 C-type cable (nowadays USB 3.2 Gen 2) or 3.2 C-type cable (nowadays USB 3.2 Gen 2x2)
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I have a usb3 10gbps cable and it still runs at slow speeds. I think that it's only USB 2.0 over type C

Maybe the 10 Pro has slower USB type C then, my 9 Pro is way faster with a 3.1 cable.

are using a usb 3 port on your computer?
i don't have any issues with transfer speeds.

I forgot to mention, my laptop have only usb 3.1 ports & 1 type C for charging.. & Windows 11 Pro x64.
Type C ports are produced in different versions, from 2.0 from 3.2.
Thumbnail are not the problem. I set my View with Details & select the newer first. Same amount of time. Still the green bar charge all hundreds of photos. Like i have a hdd from 20 years...