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New To Push Email - Please Help

Hello all,
I need to have instant notification of my emails and thought the only way was Blackberry until I heard of Push Email.
I have a K-Jam with the latest imate os. I've read that this version has push email with it but cant see it in the programs or anything.
What do I need to install etc to recieve emails from my ISP. What backend setup do I need? I have a pop 3 account that is web based too and i am on the O2 network in the UK
Thanks for your help guys.
Scaseman

Hi,
Push Email (or "DirectPush" as Microsoft seem to call it) only works in conjuction with an Exchange server I'm afraid. It doesn't work with POP3 boxes.
There are probably some companies offering POP3-->Exchange services for people like yourself wanting push email who don't have Exchange (or there will likely be some) but I don't personally know of any at the moment.
DirectPush works by connecting to an HTTP server (Exchange) and keeping the connection open/idle until something changes then a ActiveSync is performed. The POP3 protocol simply doesn't have anything to allow you to keep it open without sending something constant to keep it alive which would seriously add up on the traffic.

thanks xanth
I'm actually gonna have an Exchange Server 2003 soon. I read that I need SP2 installed aswell
Where do I go from there then? ie configuring my k-jam.

Configuring the mobile devices themselves isn't particularly hard. When you set up the sync instead of syncing with Outlook you specify with an Exchange server and just follow the prompts. It seems to connect/realise DirectPush (SP2) is available and that's it. You configure the schedule... and away it goes.
I found setting up the server was the hardest part. Well not hard, just more time consuming. You'll want/need to create you own SSL certificate (which will need installing on the device) unless you're purchasing a commercial one and configure the IIS timeout value (I'm still experimenting with this one) and then finally actually turn on DirectPush from System Manager. I think that was pretty much it though. Configuring Exchange etc in the first place takes more time than setting up push.

I'll have a pop and let you know..... thanks

I am trying out a commercial hosted exchange service (www.utica.nl) now.
This works very wel, but it has a price too: 5.95 euro per month for the lite package/
Push Email works very good.
As an alternative I am thinking about setting up my own exchange server and having my company-email and calendar forwarded to that one.
What do you advise to run exchange 2003 SP2:
- Windows version / SP?
- Hardware
(I am on a 20Mb down / 2Mb up broadband connection wich allows me to run servers, so there is no issue)

Well you'll need Windows 2000 or 2003 standard server or higher (won't run on a non-server platform), but see this link for full requirements:
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/evaluation/sysreqs/2003.mspx
I am curious though, how will you forward Calendar events (and contacts?) from one system to another please? I'm not sure I'll ever want to do that, but certainly sounds like something worth knowing!
Cheers!

What would the GPRS cost be to have this open/idle connection active all day and night. Would it send check data every few minutes?
I only ask as my contract talk plan gives me 100KB of data a month for free but after that I pay in chunks.
Thanks
Ben

Here's a paper you cna read...

Mines seems to use between 6kb and 9kb an hour when idle. I wouldn't take that as a rule, just my personal experience. Obviously it goes up a lot more when the actual emails come in!

Wow that's a fantastic guide! Should be put on a new post/stickied or something! Thanks for the files!

Xanth,
That's like 5.5MB a month without a single email going over!
Guess I wont be switching it on then.
Thanks for your reply.
Ben

Well it could just be down to me having flakey service or something and it reconnecting a lot (I haven't noticed that though), but the 6 to 9 kbytes was from running GPRS Monitor and running a report and looking at the overnight hours where I know I didn't get any emails for hours on end.

Router settings
The other thing that is going to make a difference would be the setting on the server. The longer the session can be kept open between the router and the phone the least amount of data that will need to be transfered. For example 15 minutes seems a common amount of time to keep the line openm, at the end of those 15 minutes your phone will initiated a new connection i.e. traffic. Obviously the more often it does this the more traffic generated and the more power needed.

Can i push task or agenda items which are located on the public folders?

scaseman said:
Hello all,
I need to have instant notification of my emails and thought the only way was Blackberry until I heard of Push Email.
I have a K-Jam with the latest imate os. I've read that this version has push email with it but cant see it in the programs or anything.
What do I need to install etc to recieve emails from my ISP. What backend setup do I need? I have a pop 3 account that is web based too and i am on the O2 network in the UK
Thanks for your help guys.
Scaseman
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The reason you want push is to receive an e-mail sent to you IMMEDIATELY The problem I see with push mail is you can't really use forwarding between services because it adds delays that defeat the point of it. It is not essential to have Exchange but most current systems employ it
So you need to implement push using your current e-mail address and provider for best performance
For example if you use a specific e-mail address for all your mail that is what you need to access if you don't want to change your e-mail address
If your e-mail provider uses IMAP there is a solution. It started off fairly shakey but has got quite reliable - it's vgsmail (www.vgsmail.com\ppc)
It uses IMAP idle to connect to your current e-mail (assuming IMAP support) and WORKS
As said using this is the best way of avoiding changing e-mail address and low cost (just data costs) - uses 3or4MB a month just to work - but if you're using your pda for mail you need to be on a good tarriff --- say T-Mobile web'n'walk - soon to become ulimited.
It takes about 10-30 seconds from an e-mail being sent to my PDA notifying me --- all for a one off cost of $21

scaseman said:
Hello all,
I need to have instant notification of my emails and thought the only way was Blackberry until I heard of Push Email.
I have a K-Jam with the latest imate os. I've read that this version has push email with it but cant see it in the programs or anything.
What do I need to install etc to recieve emails from my ISP. What backend setup do I need? I have a pop 3 account that is web based too and i am on the O2 network in the UK
Thanks for your help guys.
Scaseman
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The reason you want push is to receive an e-mail sent to you IMMEDIATELY The problem I see with push mail is you can't really use forwarding between services because it adds delays that defeat the point of it. It is not essential to have Exchange but most current systems employ it
So you need to implement push using your current e-mail address and provider for best performance
For example if you use a specific e-mail address for all your mail that is what you need to access if you don't want to change your e-mail address
If your e-mail provider uses IMAP there is a solution. It started off fairly shakey but has got quite reliable - it's vgsmail (www.vgsmail.com\ppc)
It uses IMAP idle to connect to your current e-mail (assuming IMAP support) and WORKS
As said using this is the best way of avoiding changing e-mail address and low cost (just data costs) - uses 3or4MB a month just to work - but if you're using your pda for mail you need to be on a good tarriff --- say T-Mobile web'n'walk - soon to become ulimited.
It takes about 10-30 seconds from an e-mail being sent to my PDA notifying me --- all for a one off cost of $21

My hosted exchange trial gave e my answer: not gonna work the way I want it. The trouble is with the forwarding of calendar events (that what i want it for).
So setting up my own server will not bring any relief either.
Waiting for my company to support push or me getting a business Blackberry subscription.
Good to try anyway.

does anybody has any experience with this vgsmail stuff?
my e-mail provider supports imap and I could live with a delay of 30sec....

hi, Guys
I am using O2 XDAII unit now, and I am going to push an email to the XDAII thru GPRS. I've seen you guys' discussion above, it really gives me a clue to do the further research.
hi, Edsurb, Re: "Waiting for my company to support push or me getting a business Blackberry subscription", does it mean there are 2 ways to push an email?
(1) We can set an MS Exchange Server 2003 then do some setting in both Exchange server side and the XDA unit, I wonder if the XDA unit can get the email thru GPRS once after the email is sent, how long will it be delayed, how much it costs, it seems it is a way that the XDA unit checks the Exchange server periodically while not a true push, right?
(2) To get a blackberry subscription. Is it a true push? Can a XDAII unit get a blackberry subscription from O2 network?
Thanks a lot for your help!!!

Sending Email with IMAP

Does anyone know of any bugs/issues with Windows Mobile (or any specific rom issues, for that matter) that exist with attempting to use multiple IMAP accounts? I used one of Dutty's roms before, then Alex's rom (I believe), and I'm back to Dutty's and still have the same issue. I can only seem to get one IMAP send account to work. Basically, when I was on Alex's rom, only my work IMAP would work, Gmail wouldn't. Now that I've re-flashed to
Dutty's rom, I can't get my work to send messages (and I'm certain it worked on Alex's and Gmail wouldn't), but Gmail does work. Any ideas?

Has no one else had this issue? Is there a setting or something that I've missed? I've looked up and down the phone, but see nothing...

If you're looking for issues regarding sending email, you have to search for the SMTP protocol, not for IMAP. POP3 and IMAP are used to receive mail, SMTP to send.
Are you sure the SMTP server you are using is accessible through your internet connection (I mean like 3G, GPRS, EDGE, not WLAN)? Most likely this is where the problem is situated.
Gmail SMTP is accessible through a mobile connection, but most SMTP servers from ISPs are not.
Good luck!

Yeah I'm sure. On Alex's ROM my work email would send ok (which didn't actually use smtp.xxxx.com; instead mail.xxxx.com), but gmail wouldn't send anything (using smtp.gmail.com). But now back on Dutty's, my work account wont send, and Gmail will. Does that answer your question?

In a way it does.
I tried using different SMTP server just now, but one of em didn't work. It might be the exact same issue as you have, but I think my problem has got more to do with the SMTP server itself than the configuration.
Sorry

Basically my issue only exists in SENDING emails. I can receive emails from all accounts fine, but I haven't been able to get more than one IMAP account to be able to send. Anyone else familiar with this issue, or have encountered it as well?

att smtp
I use att and the only smtp that work is their smtp. Even though you can receive any pop, you can only send through them. That may your problem

But that can't be it either. I've gotten GMail's SMTP to work on my latest ROM...just can not get my work, which is just mail.xxx.com instead of SMTP, which doesn't make any sense since I've gotten it to work before; basically I've gotten each of them to work before, just not at the same time. Also while I was at work Friday, I had our IT manager pull up the email server log, and on "send/receive" it shows it me connecting, receiving, but when it comes to sending messages, nothing reaches the server; it's like something fails on the PPC's end before it reaches the server. And I've quadruple+ checked the address, so it can't be that either.

Nobody else know anything about this?

While I was looking for something else, I ran into this:
Q.How can I configure Exchange ActiveSync to support multiple SMTP domains?A.Exchange ActiveSync locates a user's mailbox by using the primary Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP) address. However, if users have a different SMTP domain in their e-mail address, they cannot synchronize their mobile device with Exchange Server 2003. To address this issue, you must add a registry key to force Exchange ActiveSync to locate the user's mailbox by using a secondary SMTP addresses. For more information about how to configure Exchange ActiveSync to locate users' secondary e-mail addresses, see You receive an HTTP_500 error message when you synchronize your mobile device with Microsoft Exchange Server 2003.
Caution: Incorrectly editing the registry can cause serious problems that may require you to reinstall your operating system. Problems resulting from editing the registry incorrectly may not be able to be resolved. Before editing the registry, back up any valuable data.
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It might have nothing to do with your problem, but you might wanna give it a try. Follow the link in the quote.
Good luck
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Googlemail IMAP problem + solution - Redundant thread - MODS PLEASE CLOSE!!!

Hi there! just in case anyone else suffers the same problem and gets as frustrated as I did
As of this morning, my Kaiser has been unable to send e-mail via my gmail account. I am able to receive mail just fine, but it keeps giving a synchronisation error message and a pop up box stating:
The message(s) could not be sent. Check that you have network coverage and that your account information is correct. Then try sending again.
No matter how many times I retried, it just wouldn't work.
I deleted the mailbox and recreated it - it worked for 2 test messages and then failed again!! I've been using gmail in IMAP form now since January and have never had any problems with WM6.0 or with WM6.1 until now...
To resolve this issue, I searched on Google and found the following page:
http://groups.google.vu/group/hosted-the-basics/browse_thread/thread/9aed5859cd5b07d4
To cut a longish article short(!) if you go back into your mailbox settings and disable SSL on the outgoing server it seems to work!!
I don't know how long it'll continue to work for before it stops again, but it may just be enough to get that vital e-mail sent...
incidentally - I never actually had SSL set up on either incoming or outgoing servers until today and it seemed to work just fine before???

Sorry guys, just noticed an active thread on this subject already - I searched for 'googlemail' rather than 'gmail' in the search facility and didn't find anything...
Mods - can you please close this thread?
Very sorry guys!!

workaround for at&t
I was having the same problem and it was incredibly frustrating. I think it has to do with carriers trying to control spam being sent over their networks or something like that. Anyway, i'm now using cwmx.com (i think it stands for "cingular wireless messaging exchange") as my outgoing smtp server. No authentication is required as it will only work if you are on the at&t network to begin with. Also, SSL is not required.

Yahoo mail imap over wifi = no

After lots of searching, it seems this is not possible. I've read tons of threads here and elsewhere that reached the same conclusion. pop3 over wifi works, but not imap. pop3 doesn't offer folders, imap does.
2 questions:
1, has someone figured out a way?
2, how is this being blocked? Server side on Yahoo's part seems the logical way, but how do they know it's a G1? It can't be hardcoded into Android could it?

ytj87 said:
2, how is this being blocked? Server side on Yahoo's part seems the logical way, but how do they know it's a G1? It can't be hardcoded into Android could it?
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What IMAP app?
I use k-9 app to connect to my own imap server and it works fine over wifi, 3G and GPRS.

Definitely server-side. Yahoo must have an agreement with T-Mobile to allow their customers IMAP access to free Y Mail. Same is true for AT&T because that's where I'm accessing it from in K9 Mail.

I've used K-9 as well as several others. This issue is specifically a Yahoo Plus IMAP issue from what I've read. Strange since you'd think Yahoo would try to keep some users from bailing to gmail, which I've done now. Push is nice bonus with gmail too.
I was hoping there'd be a way to spoof the existence of the G1. But Yahoo could be blocking IMAP to known T-Mo IP's/internet2.voicestream.com, etc.

Yahoo blocks and imap access from non-mobile service providers unless you are paying for the advanced email. All done server side by yahoo. As far as i am aware there is no way to work arround it. I am surprised that you were able to get pop working. When i tried about 3 months ago on my pc pop and imap would work at all.

ytj87 said:
After lots of searching, it seems this is not possible. I've read tons of threads here and elsewhere that reached the same conclusion. pop3 over wifi works, but not imap. pop3 doesn't offer folders, imap does.
2 questions:
1, has someone figured out a way?
2, how is this being blocked? Server side on Yahoo's part seems the logical way, but how do they know it's a G1? It can't be hardcoded into Android could it?
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What rom are you on. I use to go into the setup and manually set up my imap settings and it worked. But it won't work on hero now. I've even gone back to a past build to test to see if it was still working and it is. Don't know if it is something with hero or what.

TheArtiszan said:
Yahoo blocks and imap access from non-mobile service providers unless you are paying for the advanced email. All done server side by yahoo. As far as i am aware there is no way to work arround it. I am surprised that you were able to get pop working. When i tried about 3 months ago on my pc pop and imap would work at all.
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Yahoo not only blocks non "plus" accounts.
Yahoo blocks IMAP according to Mobile service providers but also Manufacturers of phones.
I'm paying for my Yahoo Plus account.
On my Treo 750 I was able to connect via G3 and WiFi (SDcard), now changed phone to Nokia 5800.
Connects perfectly through G3 but not through WiFi.
Automatic IMAP configuration on treo brought up imap.mail.yahoo.com - looks quite general and sound.
On the Nokia automatic configuration brings up imap.N.mail.yahoo.com "N" stands for Nokia.
Changing IMAP setting on the Nokia doesn't solve the mail connection problem through WiFi.
Tried many other options changing the "N" fot next, plus etc as I found options other users on the internet tried. None of these worked.
Have a claim running with Yahoo but since more than 3 weeks they state not yet having found a solution. Admitting it is not working as it should.

yojosoy said:
Yahoo not only blocks non "plus" accounts.
Yahoo blocks IMAP according to Mobile service providers but also Manufacturers of phones.
I'm paying for my Yahoo Plus account.
On my Treo 750 I was able to connect via G3 and WiFi (SDcard), now changed phone to Nokia 5800.
Connects perfectly through G3 but not through WiFi.
Automatic IMAP configuration on treo brought up imap.mail.yahoo.com - looks quite general and sound.
On the Nokia automatic configuration brings up imap.N.mail.yahoo.com "N" stands for Nokia.
Changing IMAP setting on the Nokia doesn't solve the mail connection problem through WiFi.
Tried many other options changing the "N" fot next, plus etc as I found options other users on the internet tried. None of these worked.
Have a claim running with Yahoo but since more than 3 weeks they state not yet having found a solution. Admitting it is not working as it should.
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I found an answer to this issue back on RC30 rom. Yahoo has an agreement with T-Mobile to access the emails from mobile phones. Basically yahoo blocks IP that are not known T-Mobile ip's. This is why Wifi does not work and 3G does.

prash said:
I found an answer to this issue back on RC30 rom. Yahoo has an agreement with T-Mobile to access the emails from mobile phones. Basically yahoo blocks IP that are not known T-Mobile ip's. This is why Wifi does not work and 3G does.
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Yahoo has NEVER allowed IMAP service without paying until the agreement with T-Mobile and that was only with Blackberry devices to get the yahoo mail working in them properly. recently with more mobile devices the agreements have changed but yahoo is still a sticker for money.. just get rid of yahoo they sucks anyways plus. now they are screwing Google subscribers more by buying xoopit that had a gmail plug in and denying access to all Google users. Which is funny since Google saved yahoo's as way back by allowing them to use their search algorithm when MS was putting the pressure on them to sell.

It doesn't seem to be an issue of money, as I pay for Yahoo bizmail service, and still can only get IMAP over cell (AT&T in my case) and cannot get it through wifi.

[Q] E-mail and the Different Methods of Access

Hi All,
First time poster here. I find these forums to be a great resource and I'm hoping someone can shed light on this seemingly basic understanding issue.
It seems to me there are four different methods of accessing e-mail (five if you count internet) on my stock Samsung Captivate. I've listed them below.
Corporate Account
Google Account
Default Android E-mail Client
Mail App
Internet
How does one go about choosing which method to use? Which ones allow push versus pull? I have multiple e-mail addresses, but not sure which method to utilize to set each one up. I am not yet interested in merging them all in one gmail account.
Is the Google Account the same as using the Gmail App?
What are the max number of Google accounts you can set up. I have two on my phone and am running into issues setting up the third.
Is yahoo capable of being setup on the Corporate account? I found settings to set up Gmail this way. Just wondering if I can do the same for yahoo.
Thanks in advance for your help!

Beuller....