[Q] xperia V charge port O ring seal! help! - Sony Xperia T, TL, TX, V

Hi all.
THe xperia V in question is about 6 months old, and unfortunately the O ring rubber seal on the back of the charge port door has started to perish. It's cracked, and as such is floppy and causing the charge port door to be difficult to close well.
Have tried to look for sites on Google that might carry just that part to no avail.
Unfortunately I'm from Aus, bought the phone in Singapore and am in the Philippines for work, and the invoice is with the box, at home somewhere.
Any help on this is appreciated.

Happened to me. I sent it for repair. Cost me nearly 200 Singapore Dollars because apparently it's wear and tear for them and they don't allow the use warranty.
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Do u mean the rubber seal that seal the battery component from other parts? The water resistance function
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Erica Law said:
Happened to me. I sent it for repair. Cost me nearly 200 Singapore Dollars because apparently it's wear and tear for them and they don't allow the use warranty.
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Really? They made you pay for repairs of something they know will be used a lot, each time you charge (once a day) and each time you need to connect it to the computer. They better not tell me it's wear and tear if this happens to my V. It is a design flaw if the seal gives out so fast. Sony designs a phone with a little door that will be used a lot, they better design it with that in mind if not it's a design fault. Thank God I'm in Europe where we enjoy proper warranty and consumer protection.

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[Q] Screen shattered inside an otterbox.

Dropped it from about 2' and there it was like a spiderweb. My question is should I trust a local place to fix it for 150$?
Which otterbox? Commuter or defender??
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Check out the Ifixit teardown. This thing is impossible to repair, I think.
Doesn't HTC just send you a new one for warranty issues?
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upstandingcitizen said:
Check out the Ifixit teardown. This thing is impossible to repair, I think.
Doesn't HTC just send you a new one for warranty issues?
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Warranty won't cover accidental damage
rider5512 said:
Warranty won't cover accidental damage
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My point was that it is more feasible to replace the device as a whole than open it up and repair it.
OP, a quote from Ifixit: "The display assembly cannot be replaced without removing the rear case—this will make the most common repair, a damaged screen, nearly impossible."
Link to article: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/HTC+One+Teardown/13494/3
Sorry, but I feel like they would fail to fix the screen.
HTC have said the H1 is highly reparable and was designed with repairs in mind, but they say you need a special tool that only HTC has.
John.
upstandingcitizen said:
Check out the Ifixit teardown. This thing is impossible to repair, I think.
Doesn't HTC just send you a new one for warranty issues?
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It was in an otterbox defender. It litterally fell 2' at most onto a vinyl floor.
ycode90 said:
It was in an otterbox defender. It litterally fell 2' at most onto a vinyl floor.
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I have both defender and commuter..but i prefer the commuter since its have quite thick and soft rubber if compare to defender which have thin and hard rubber (not good to absorb impact) plus the hard poly plastic and aluminum i dont think they are good when mix with each other. Easy to scratch the aluminum body. The hard case, i observe is too tight (prone to scratch the alu body) when i put my H1 inside it, feel very solid, but i really afraid if it fall down, then plastic and its thin rubber unable to protect it from impact..i do try search if anyone had done any drop test using the defender or commuter with no prevail..
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I'm kinda put off by this whole thing it's gonna cost me at least $150 on a 46 day old phone.
ycode90 said:
I'm kinda put off by this whole thing it's gonna cost me at least $150 on a 46 day old phone.
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If you send it into HTC, they will send you a quote on how much it costs to fix. It'll probably be around the same price but this time, HTC will be doing it
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I'm kinda put off by this whole thing it's gonna cost me at least $150 on a 46 day old phone.
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Stop trying to save 30 dollars and get HTC to replace it. You will kick yourself when you get your phone back and the case is mangled because third party repairs don't have the right tools to disassemble the phone.
I have a TPU case and so far I've done great in terms of drops. At least one face down drop from three of so feet off the ground.
Not trying to save anything but if HTC does it I'll be out a phone for 10 days plus cost. That's probably what I'll have to do tho. The cs guy said they may discount the repair due to the circumstances.
Get it done from HTC. With local places you need to consider not only might they do a crap job but they also might use cheap unofficial glass which is more prone to smash again, my friend recently had that problem with her Nexus 4 repair.
I decided to just file an insurance claim 200$ witch means 400$ in less than ninety days on this phone fml.
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I decided to just file an insurance claim 200$ witch means 400$ in less than ninety days on this phone fml.
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i'm looking at a $200 claim less than a week after getting mine. first time i've cracked a phone since my iphone 3g.
i'm gonna try to get a gs4 back instead, i can't have a device that literally glides on surfaces. i didn't drop the phone it slid from my lap to the concrete. that's some ****ed up **** to have to deal with for the premium of "aluminum casing" lmao aluminum comes on beer cans.

Help lost the flap that covers usb charge port

Hello I live in philadelphia USA I bought a z1 from Craigslist brand new unfortunately it's my own fault but I had my phone on charge it fell and was hanging from the wire and it manages to rip off the flap now it's lost I need a new flap is it possible to get one they don't have the phone here Sony said they can't fix it due to not being released here any ideas?
Try amazon, or any UK based phone websites.
But it should be released in US soon and then you can get parts
I did quite alot of looking the only thing I found that might work is the dummy phones it was 10 dollars I emailed them on ebay to see if the flap was able to come off
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Did you have a response?
http://rounded.com/ but not available for the Z1 or ZU
No luck so far
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Called sony
I called sony parts and after being ****ed around to a third phone number that I had to call they quoted me $80 to replace one stupid freaking flap. I think it's worth just being careful with you phone for the time being. That was not including the postage to get it there qld -> nsw. And they mentioned they would do a pressure test to make sure it's water resistant again. Does anyone know if you can just get a life case similar to the iphones case?
Nobody is going to make a waterproof case for a waterproof phone
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Nobody is going to make a waterproof case for a waterproof phone
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But it's not even water proof, it's water resistant
You're right though I'm probably the only one who would buy it. I am notoriously terrible with phones.
http://www.witrigs.com/oem-usb-data...rs-replacement-parts-for-sony-xperia-z1-black
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http://www.witrigs.com/oem-usb-data...rs-replacement-parts-for-sony-xperia-z1-black
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out of stock, but worth their weight in gold
Just got a email from that website they are available now yay just ordered two sets for backup ha
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Haha...
How could you broke that flaps, mate.
I have tortured my Xperia S for over a year and my flaps are still great...
It's very hard to broke that
But, please, when you fix flaps, could you post a little tutorial so if we broke ours we should know where to buy it and how to replace them
Tnx
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Guys lost my USB flap today in the morning, purple Color... I should get it online. Hope this link will help you and I will get dock charger for sure..http://www.parts4repair.com/sim-cover-usb-cover-sd-cover-for-sony-xperia-z1-l39h-purple/
I bought the magnetic charging dock as I'm scared to end up losing the usb port cover. Hope it helps.
http://www.sonymobile.com/sg/products/accessories/magnetic-charging-dock-dk31/
I tried to get the part inside the phone out, but it seems that it got really deep. How did you got yours part out of this hole?
These flaps are way too weak, my phone is Three weeks old and the USB flap already feels loose and opens up a little after a while of being closed
I should have bought a dock or that whatever cable
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olokos said:
I tried to get the part inside the phone out, but it seems that it got really deep. How did you got yours part out of this hole?
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Just push it inside and fit new one - should do no harm
Thanks. I was trying to get it out and in the end I've cut everything of it but the thick part in the phone
Good thing you have posted this or else I'd still try to get it out since I'll be waiting about 20 days for the replacement to arrive. Duh, I paid 4$ for international shipping to Poland which is one of the countries that are somewhere in the middle of the earth ^^.
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yeh I had my Z1 dismantled a couple of days ago fitting a new screen so pushing it inside shouldn't present any problems at all

USB Cover snapped off

No clue how it happened, but I am now sans an attached usb cover (I found the nub in my pocket, separated from the phone). It doesn't look like anything that can be user replaced and haven't seen any chatter about this... Has anyone had this problem? Any thoughts on repair?
informpage said:
No clue how it happened, but I am now sans an attached usb cover (I found the nub in my pocket, separated from the phone). It doesn't look like anything that can be user replaced and haven't seen any chatter about this... Has anyone had this problem? Any thoughts on repair?
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Call AT&T or Samsung, it should be in warranty.
I actually had this same thing happen. The cover came undone from the little rubbery flexable piece when I was at work and I found the cover piece in my pocket. From there I just pulled the rubber piece out with some pliers and reattached the cover. I just have to remember to put it back on after charging/syncing.
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RCon227 said:
I actually had this same thing happen. The cover came undone from the little rubbery flexable piece when I was at work and I found the cover piece in my pocket. From there I just pulled the rubber piece out with some pliers and reattached the cover. I just have to remember to put it back on after charging/syncing.
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That's what I am doing as well. Except I don't remember often.
Wouldn't this be physical damage not covered under warranty?
Confirmed, they will not cover this. If the phone had water damage, it would be covered..
I am going to put the cover in a safe place because I was told if I show up with water damage without the cover, then the damage would not be covered, so best not to lose it. Doesn't make sense, but that's what I was told.
I find it quite funny that, after the factory 4.3 update, I know get a warning reminding me to make sure the USB cover is closed after I unplug it. My cover broke off a couple of months ago. They don't offer replacement covers, but they want us to be sure that the port is sealed up. Samsung is trying to cover their @$$. I wonder how many people still have their cover.
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Sh** Proof
dibeachdude said:
I find it quite funny that, after the factory 4.3 update, I know get a warning reminding me to make sure the USB cover is closed after I unplug it. My cover broke off a couple of months ago. They don't offer replacement covers, but they want us to be sure that the port is sealed up. Samsung is trying to cover their @$$. I wonder how many people still have their cover.
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Had a charging problem. Went to AT&T service center. They would not warranty replace the phone because my cover was missing. This happened yesterday. Because I had insurance, it was $200 to replace.
I wish they could sh**proof us when we deal with AT&T.
Wow!! $200?? I always thought that the insurance would cover the entire cost.
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dibeachdude said:
Wow!! $200?? I always thought that the insurance would cover the entire cost.
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It's the deductible, most insurance plans have it. $200 is quite a bit though, mine is $50.
Avail211 said:
It's the deductible, most insurance plans have it. $200 is quite a bit though, mine is $50.
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There is no set deductable. The amount depends on what tier phone you have.
DEDUCTIBLE
A tiered deductible per the terms of your Insurance Coverage Certificate, will apply as follows:
Device Tier 1: Devices will be charged a $50 non-refundable deductible.
Device Tier 2: Devices will be charged a $125 non-refundable deductible.
Device Tier 3: Devices will be charged a $199 non-refundable deductible.
Which devices are on which Tier:
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/en_US/pdf/wireless-phone-insurance-deductible-schedule.pdf
water proof, charge proof, resnap the flap proof?
It is well made proof. In fact we all have good proof it was not a well conceived of device and for these mega corps, either samsung or your svc provider, to not offer some type of replacement cover is the corruption of greed for us all to see. It is all too commonplace though, greed tactics that is, so we have all become numb. Thats why them and everyone else in a position to take advantage of us will do just that. What geniuses they are to promote blogs and such, just like this one here, so we can read and complain to each other and drop the number of would be complaints to there websites and call centers by an estimated 70%. Blog it up America. Letter from our government and Big biz>>>>>
Dear internet, thank you so very very much. First we would like to say sorry for scaring you with internet shutdowns and what not. That was just to prove a point. Yes, it worked. We would never do that though. Restrictions and complete surveillance, you bet your bandwidth bubba, but you're a cornerstone of todays democracy. Keep sending those "isnt America a republic" google searches over to "america and George Washington love democracy too" pretend a history sites. Well so long, you are forever in our thoughts and stuff, the best double agent that ever has or will of been. Can you imagine if people took to the streets in protest again. Budget, deficit, two words I refuse to say, hurts to type them. Yes we can change whatever we want to.
Forever yours, big guv n big biz
P.S. Facebook likes you, we lied and said you liked her too. I mean without her we would still be hacking myspace and aol accounts. Anyway she's a big fan. Millions of thanks, a billion more if China keeps up its westernized movement. So long you sly devil.
Im taking donations so I can start a we will complain for you website. Hope to get it up and running within a few months. Everything takes green paper that has a given value. Some people are only valued 8 pieces of low value green paper an hour for their work. Gosh I think we are all worth a lot more than 8 pieces of green paper
Someone hasn't been taking their medication as prescribed.
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Charging flap broke off

Under regular usage, my charging flap broke off. I went to T-Mobile and they said I would have to pay $175 to fix it! Anyone have an idea of how I can get it fixed, or will I just not be waterproof anymore
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Did you lose the flap? Or do you still have it? If you have it, did you just rip it out of the hole? Or did the piece that goes between the flap and the whole break? I've caught mine and pulled it out like 3 or 4 times, but I've always been able to get it back in with some effort.
Mi|enko said:
Did you lose the flap? Or do you still have it? If you have it, did you just rip it out of the hole? Or did the piece that goes between the flap and the whole break? I've caught mine and pulled it out like 3 or 4 times, but I've always been able to get it back in with some effort.
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I've seen others have this issue and say that calling Sony got them to send them a free replacement, only for the Z1s (not the Z1) though...
jahjah440 said:
Under regular usage, my charging flap broke off. I went to T-Mobile and they said I would have to pay $175 to fix it! Anyone have an idea of how I can get it fixed, or will I just not be waterproof anymore
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tough luck there mate,
TBH i wouldn't call that a charging port either that would be the micro usb port,
ive used it all but 4 times myself when i first rooted my phone,
u use a maglock charger or use the dock, as the usb port isnt made for everyday use
thats why they put the charging dock in the box when you buy it
it also charges faster through the dock/maglock than via the usb
id just push the port back in and get a maglock charger or use your dock
Not everyone got a free dock with their phone.
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Yup. I didn't get a dock with my Z1.
My flap also broke off. I bought the replacement for ~10$. Plastic part is still inside though. Since my glass on the back broke off I called service that is authorised by Sony (so I won't lose warranty for repair) and they put a reasonable price for back glass replacement. 250PLN. It's not crazy high, but isn't a 6pack. I asked how much will cost the replacing of the flap if I provide the replacement part along with the regular cost of the flap replacement and the woman on the phone said that that'll be free.
Ask about the price if you provide a replacement.
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http://www.witrigs.com/oem-usb-data-micro-sd-sim-card-block-covers-replacement-parts-for-sony-xperia-z1-black
this can help you, some1 here bought it and even showed that they are waterproof too
I guess I'm getting a dock now. I have tmobile as well and if they charge for this kind of stuff, I'd rather just pay the $10 and get a dock.
I broke my flap as well..feel asleep on the phone while it was charging. Got a replacement from witrigs website.
However, a small piece of plastic was left inside and I used a pin to take it out..wasn't as easy as I thought...the hole is really small...and my pin wasn't as thin as I'd like.
Putting the replacement was easy..used the same pin to just push it in lol
koppee1 said:
I broke my flap as well..feel asleep on the phone while it was charging. Got a replacement from witrigs website.
However, a small piece of plastic was left inside and I used a pin to take it out..wasn't as easy as I thought...the hole is really small...and my pin wasn't as thin as I'd like.
Putting the replacement was easy..used the same pin to just push it in lol
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How long did it take you to receive it?
My flap just broke off tonight, I plan to call Sony in the morning to order a replacement.. Just trying to see how long of a wait I'm looking at. My phone looks ugly on that side now, ugh.
I had a piece stuck in there just like you, had my wife get it out with a sewing pin (thanks to your advice).
Lesson learned, once Sony confirms they're sending me a replacement flap I plan to order the official Sony charging doc for the Z1 (everyone I've heard talking about it says it does indeed fit the Z1s) from their site.
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[Q] Gear 2 Neo charging terminals issue

Hi guys , yesterday i noticed Charging terminals on underside of my gear 2 neo look damaged , is anyone else having this problem , i am attaching a Picture
i have been using gear 2 neo for 2 month , never dropped it , And charging works absolutely fine though ..
Looks like a little bit of gunk from skin cells etc. A damp cotton bud should get rid of it.
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I'm experiencing the same problem for a month or 2 now, I can still charge the watch but it's a struggle to connect it. I've searched the net for people with same issues and found several discussions about it. It seems that plenty of Gear 2 users (including me) and Gear 2 neo users have this issue and people are concluding that it is (well, I also think it really is) a manufacturing defect.
The discussions are composed of 2 types of people, the first ones are the people who claimed their warranty from samsung and had their watch replaced by a new one (excluding the straps and the charger) free of charge. The second ones are the people who claimed but samsung didn't acknowledged the warranty as it is a "physical damage" and are charged around $200 for the repair/replacement.
I on the other hand did a workaround with my watch temporarily (see last attached photo). I will try to claim my warranty from the shop where I bought the watch and from samsung and see if I will have any luck, my warranty will end tomorrow so I'll try it today.
I hope this reply is of any help to you and to all others who might also experience the same problem; and I do hope that samsung will also acknowledge my warranty.
Links to threads with same discussion (please inform me if this is not allowed, I'll remove it immediately):
https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/189269/gear+2+terminals+charg+damaged
http://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-gear-2-gear-2-neo/395524-broken-charging-port.html
My probpem has been solved . well almost
Thankyou for replying
My watch was not in warranty .
The solution that worked for me was , i painted the terminals with 20$ circuit scribe pen .
The conductive ink wasnt water resistant . so i placed small piece of papr on terminals and put a transparent tape over it .
Since then i can charge my watch .. I once reapplied the paint as my sweat got to the terminals .
This worked for me now i use android wear on it and almost have to charge it daily then reapply tape over terminals
Hassaan Shahid said:
Thankyou for replying
My watch was not in warranty .
The solution that worked for me was , i painted the terminals with 20$ circuit scribe pen .
The conductive ink wasnt water resistant . so i placed small piece of papr on terminals and put a transparent tape over it .
Since then i can charge my watch .. I once reapplied the paint as my sweat got to the terminals .
This worked for me now i use android wear on it and almost have to charge it daily then reapply tape over terminals
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Just came back from service center. The acknowledged my warranty as the damage (they said) wasn't avoidable. Repairs/replacement will take 3-7days, thank goodness.
Anyway your solution is very interesting, Imma take note on that as my watch might experience the same issue again someday.
May I ask how did the terminals (with ink) and the charging dock made contact if you placed a small piece of paper and transparent tape over the terminals?
Thanks in advance.
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Glad you got ur replacement
Thats the only annoying thing abt it , i have to remove the tape each time i want to charge then reapply .
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Thats the only annoying thing abt it , i have to remove the tape each time i want to charge then reapply .
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Oh, well I had that in mind too, I plan to place a tape over the terminals when I use it everyday then remove it when charging.
I was on android wear before I reverted back to tizen to claim my warranty. After getting back my watch I'll go back to wear sooo I think I'll need a lot of tape as wear last for only a day and 4 hours for me.
Anyway, I hope this thread will be helpful to everybody and I suggest not closing this so that we could help people who will experience the same issue.
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Is there any conductive tape you can use?
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Is there any conductive tape you can use?
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AFAIK there's none.
Anyway, status update:
I got my watch back from service center in less than 72Hrs! They replaced the whole watch except for the strap.
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Really glad you got the replacement . i on the other hand had no such option since samsung doesnt sale this watch officially in Pakistan . and i got it on my last visit to usa .
I would still advice you to use any tape pver those terminals because from my experience their expiry date is 6months
I too use android wear right now , (i have become an active google now user and would suggest all tizen users to try android wear atleast once ).
i actually repply the same tape again and again for few days . i wish there was some conductive tape though. But couldnt find any
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Oh, well I had that in mind too, I plan to place a tape over the terminals when I use it everyday then remove it when charging.
I was on android wear before I reverted back to tizen to claim my warranty. After getting back my watch I'll go back to wear sooo I think I'll need a lot of tape as wear last for only a day and 4 hours for me.
Anyway, I hope this thread will be helpful to everybody and I suggest not closing this so that we could help people who will experience the same issue.
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Remember to put a small paper on terminals then apply tape those terminals and cover of heart rate sensor are really easy to pullout when removing tape . actually happened to me first time . then i permanantly applied transparent tape in H shape (with horizontal line above HR sensor .) so it wont comeout each time i apply a small tape over terminals
(Hope i am not confusing anyone here )
I bought mine almost new secondhand. Knowing that the copper contacts wear fast due to skin sweat and soaps, i will dab a little layer of molten lead over the contacts. Yes. Soldering lead. It will frther thicken the coper contacts and still provide conductivity. I will be very careful on quickly applying soldering lead without melting the plastic since i am a little bit of an expert in those kinds of soldering methods. I wouldn't suggest to those who has bad soldering skilss or novice skills on soldering. I am not that confident, but if i see some sign of corrosion i will do that method. Work at your own risk. detach terminals first from device before trying to do something. And please use a very fine soldering iron tip and low wattage soldering iron.
wow guys, i dont know why any of you didnt go to the ifixit website and look at the teardown. It looks FAR easier to disassemble than most phones ive fixed and the charge pad replacement parts are like $9 on ebay. I think you guys went the hard way to fix this. Id just replace the pads if mine started to corrode.
Had mine changed twice (replacing the whole watch, keeping the band) and 4 months since the last change its coroding again.
As I only have till end of year warranty, probably will get it changed again and sell it. Not impressed by that design flaw
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I too was very disappointed . I have shifted to Moto 360 myself . Bought it off sale this year from amazon
youdoofus said:
wow guys, i dont know why any of you didnt go to the ifixit website and look at the teardown. It looks FAR easier to disassemble than most phones ive fixed and the charge pad replacement parts are like $9 on ebay. I think you guys went the hard way to fix this. Id just replace the pads if mine started to corrode.
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Yes . I checked that . It's just that there were no parts available for Gear 2 anywhere when this thread was started . Thank God they are available now.
I too have ordered replacement contacts from
http://s.aliexpress.com/mey2Mve6
For 7.3 USD
I just hope they are durable . Haven't yet received em
Bummer, not currently available for purchase.
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Bummer, not currently available for purchase.
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Hmm . I bought around the time I posted . There were some 400 in stock then.
I replaced them on my gear 2 neo , but almost since then I have moved to moto 360 . It was at a great deal from amazon

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