Bootloader locked Z's - will there ever be any luck for us, or are we pretty much stuck for the lifespan of our devices ? Because I know that for other devices that ship with locked bootloaders, there's a little hope from what I've understood, as the community is making an effort to bypass their devices respective bootloaders.
However, I'm unsure about XpZ because of Sony allowing unlocking directly on unbranded devices, that's why I'm asking - can we who ****ed up with our purchase of a branded device actually hope for something, or are we better off selling our devices and replacing them with generic devices in the foreseeable future ?
( my carrier didn't lock my Arc and S, Z caught me completely offguard, I feel cheated and stolen from )
No hope whatsoever. Bad choice.
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Bootloader locked Z's - will there ever be any luck for us, or are we pretty much stuck for the lifespan of our devices ? Because I know that for other devices that ship with locked bootloaders, there's a little hope from what I've understood, as the community is making an effort to bypass their devices respective bootloaders.
However, I'm unsure about XpZ because of Sony allowing unlocking directly on unbranded devices, that's why I'm asking - can we who ****ed up with our purchase of a branded device actually hope for something, or are we better off selling our devices and replacing them with generic devices in the foreseeable future ?
( my carrier didn't lock my Arc and S, Z caught me completely offguard, I feel cheated and stolen from )
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i think with the release of the us tmo version there is a good chance that this can happen. The exploit would be the same for all most likely
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i think with the release of the us tmo version there is a good chance that this can happen. The exploit would be the same for all most likely
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Wait, are you saying that the bootloader security has been broken for the C6606?
If so, amazing news! If not, I'm not sure why the release of another variant would make the security being broken more likely
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Wait, are you saying that the bootloader security has been broken for the C6606?
If so, amazing news! If not, I'm not sure why the release of another variant would make the security being broken more likely
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No, the tmo version was just released (sort off) not available in tmobile stores just sony right now. the bootloader is locked on the 6606 and if any locked variant is broken first it will be this one...(other locked variants should be able to use the same exploit)
Given, this is all assumed and nothing has been done...
Ah, so you just mean that it's more likely that more people will be working on this then? Fair enough
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i think with the release of the us tmo version there is a good chance that this can happen. The exploit would be the same for all most likely
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Good to see you here from nexus forum
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Ah, so you just mean that it's more likely that more people will be working on this then? Fair enough
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Hang on, this is for an unlockable bootloader? As in unlock not allowed?
My understanding was that there was no way to do this - period.
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Hang on, this is for an unlockable bootloader? As in unlock not allowed?
My understanding was that there was no way to do this - period.
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My understanding is that the security is very strict, with multiple checks involved, all dependent on each other. It seems to be very unlikely that it will be broken, according some discussions I've read in several threads here.
You can never say never with these things though, as there may be and often is something that the designers of the security overlooked or never even thought of. It's not as if locked bootloaders and security haven't been overcome before on other devices after all
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gm007 said:
Good to see you here from nexus forum
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hey ol' buddy, see you made the right choice of the "next phone"
LenAsh said:
Hang on, this is for an unlockable bootloader? As in unlock not allowed?
My understanding was that there was no way to do this - period.
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just like the motorola locked bootloaders?
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hey ol' buddy, see you made the right choice of the "next phone"
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I read that you got xperia Z,Hope to see your kernels soon.
Kexec is a possibility buy nobody has successfully built it yet for xz. Doomlord I believe has a mini loader as one of his many projects but it will require a lot of work and I don't believe devs see this as priority as there are so many unlockable devices out there. Mine included annoyingly. So short answer is there is hope, but don't expect anything soon. And for completeness sake, the Motorola hack doesn't apply.
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Related
http://www.change.org/petitions/lg-...opportunity-to-unlock-bootloader-in-lg-phones
Already discussed here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1852721
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Please change the thread title. It seems misleading to me.
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Xenogenics said:
Please change the thread title. It seems misleading to me.
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I have the same opinion... When I saw the tittle I almost colapse :silly:
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I have the same opinion... When I saw the tittle I almost colapse :silly:
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Titel is changed. I thing it is impossible that the people see this link.
There are 750 votes for the open bootloader. 1000 are needed!
Maybe we can move something and get the open bootloader sooner:thumbup:
Even ten thousand signers would not change anything. LG thinks a locked bootloader is great and won't release any unlock.
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They will need an unlock procedure for an LG Optimus Nexus G, so maybe they will release an universal tool or procedure
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Even ten thousand signers would not change anything. LG thinks a locked bootloader is great and won't release any unlock.
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and they think they do a good job!!
but we just hope they change their attitude
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You knwo what I bought myself a S3, I love LG and their designs but I had to do my research better instead of my instincts, with this policy they will sure lose a lot of their future clients. I love my freedom and I do what I want to do and if they are open minded they should give us the possibility to unlock the bootloader.
Anyway thx for all your great support as Dexter, I wish I could have keep this phone but I cant live with a locked bootloader and different roms and kernel to try.
Btw I still have my LG for sale and is a pain in the ass to sell this phone I can say so most ppl not have a good eye in this product bcz of the updates even I had already two updates when bought it and probably that Jelly bean will come soon too with their corporation with Nexus now. If LG still not have an image problem then they sure not will stay long in the bussines of smarthphones too bad.
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Even ten thousand signers would not change anything. LG thinks a locked bootloader is great and won't release any unlock.
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+1 !!!!!!
I don't know why they changed their mind from O2X to 4X HD, but it was definitively a wrong decision...
A locked bootloader is the only possible decision as it is part of the Android security concept (and I believe necessary on new devices since Android 4.0)
See my post here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32347996&postcount=108
Android gets professional and wants to be suitable for business usage.
So data security becomes more important. Without a locked bootloader there is not much security.
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A locked bootloader is the only possible decision as it is part of the Android security concept (and I believe necessary on new devices since Android 4.0)
See my post here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32347996&postcount=108
Android gets professional and wants to be suitable for business usage.
So data security becomes more important. Without a locked bootloader there is not much security.
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this is a public handset. not a business server.
its not even a tablet
Coming from a rooted sensation to find this, Is not good I have signed that petition straight away. Custom roms are needed on this great phone!
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this is a public handset. not a business server.
its not even a tablet
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So on private phones security is not needed ?
Account logins, Wifi paswords, images, other data ....
Locked bootloader is a good thing for most users.
But damn LG has to provide a way to unlock for us if they are not able to serve updates for this device.
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So on private phones security is not needed ?
Account logins, Wifi paswords, images, other data ....
Locked bootloader is a good thing for most users.
But damn LG has to provide a way to unlock for us if they are not able to serve updates for this device.
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i believe adb can extract most of that info even with a locked bootloader..
either you're trolling or you dunno what a bootloader is.
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i believe adb can extract most of that info even with a locked bootloader..
either you're trolling or you dunno what a bootloader is.
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Of course, but you must enable Debugging in Android to use adb which breaks almost all security.
You really need to understand how Android works:
I suggest reading a bit on developer.android.com or source.android.com
especially here: http://source.android.com/tech/security/
example: even the FBI was not able to break Android lockscreen:
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/fbi-android-phone-lock/
I'm aware that here on XDA nearly nobody cares about this, as everyone has unlocked bootloader, CWM installed and adb enabled.
My point is that manufacturers have to sell the phones with locked bootloader for security reasons, but also allow users to unlock it (together with a factory reset).
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My point is that manufacturers have to sell the phones with locked bootloader for security reasons, but also allow users to unlock it (together with a factory reset).
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I don't get why there should be a factory reset. I've had that on a friend's Wildfire S: You can't have root without unlocking the bootloaderand wiping the phone but can't take a backup of your data because you don't have root. It's not a problem if you unlock it directly after buying, but there are so many people who just use their phone for a while and then find out they can do more with an unlocked bootloader. And for all those, their data is gone forever.
A locked bootloader (together with other components like system encryption, lockscreen etc.) prevents someone who finds / steals a phone from dumping the data.
If he could unlock the phone without loosing the data, he would be able to dump the data (e.g. by flashing CWM with fastboot). So this security feature would be useless.
So if someone unlocks the bootloader all data is gone.
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Of course, but you must enable Debugging in Android to use adb which breaks almost all security.
You really need to understand how Android works:
I suggest reading a bit on developer.android.com or source.android.com
especially here: http://source.android.com/tech/security/
example: even the FBI was not able to break Android lockscreen:
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/fbi-android-phone-lock/
I'm aware that here on XDA nearly nobody cares about this, as everyone has unlocked bootloader, CWM installed and adb enabled.
My point is that manufacturers have to sell the phones with locked bootloader for security reasons, but also allow users to unlock it (together with a factory reset).
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you do realize 4x has an adb mode that doesn't even need bootup?
it wont give you access to su but its enough to get into data and dump all personal files.
anyway anyway.. back to topic
Please, "I" am sorry.
Please provide me with the email of your superior.
From: cic uk <[email protected]>
To:
Sent: Monday, 8 October 2012, 11:01
Subject: RE: Boot loader and LG P880 Issues.
Good Morning,
In regards to your below email please can you supply the information we would need your full details, the retailer where you bought it from and also the IMEI number so that we can have this checked.
Best regards,
Louise Ayres
LG Customer Service Escalations Team
LG Electronics UK Helpdesk
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From: [mailto: ]
Sent: 05 October 2012 07:18
To: cic uk//LGEUK SVC([email protected])
Subject: RE: Boot loader and LG P880 Issues.
it has been more than 2 weeks and i'm getting impatient about the lag after phone wakes, the lag in calls and other apps and mainly the camera. this is a serious issue as i dont remember paying for a faulty device, and im not even in the country to have this paperweight replaced with some other smart phone.
please give me an update, or request an update on this situation. and if your next words are 'unfortunately i can't help you', i think, unfortunately, you should be fired and I need a contact email for your superior.
please, in your email, try not to thank me for my response or feed back. thank you.
if you really wanna get this done, be rude and spam the **** outta this email..
I have the Xperia TL lt30at, I LOVE it . Sadly though, it cannot be rooted because bootloader unlock allowed is set to no:crying:. I was given 2 weeks to try this phone out which will be up this friday and I would like to get a phone that can be rooted and is on par or better than the TL. I also have this thing called "trade up" which allows me to trade in my phone for 75% (300$) of its value (400$) credit towards a new phone at any time. So I can trade in for the Z if/when it comes out for AT&T if/when it comes out in the US. What on AT&T market right now for 400$-500$ should I grab? I'm new to Android from iOS and jailbreaking and the TL is my first android and I have loved it. So XDA, please help me out a bit and toss your opinions around. I will give thanks to all who give informative :good: and helpful replies and none to those just being dicks .
Thanks guys.
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I have the Xperia TL lt30at, I LOVE it . Sadly though, it cannot be rooted because bootloader unlock allowed is set to no:crying:. I was given 2 weeks to try this phone out which will be up this friday and I would like to get a phone that can be rooted and is on par or better than the TL. I also have this thing called "trade up" which allows me to trade in my phone for 75% (300$) of its value (400$) credit towards a new phone at any time. So I can trade in for the Z if/when it comes out for AT&T if/when it comes out in the US. What on AT&T market right now for 400$-500$ should I grab? I'm new to Android from iOS and jailbreaking and the TL is my first android and I have loved it. So XDA, please help me out a bit and toss your opinions around. I will give thanks to all who give informative :good: and helpful replies and none to those just being dicks .
Thanks guys.
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Samsung SIII? Similar feature-wise, but slightly bigger. Has LTE and is available through At&t, and also apparently has a big dev community for AOSP, but if you purchase from at&t, it may be a special version in which the bootloader has been locked down. I guess you'd have to do some sleuthing in regards to that. You could always just return your TL to at&t and get an unlocked SIII from a third party; that way you'd know that you'd be able to unlock it...
Thanks for the reply
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Samsung SIII? Similar feature-wise, but slightly bigger. Has LTE and is available through At&t, and also apparently has a big dev community for AOSP, but if you purchase from at&t, it may be a special version in which the bootloader has been locked down. I guess you'd have to do some sleuthing in regards to that. You could always just return your TL to at&t and get an unlocked SIII from a third party; that way you'd know that you'd be able to unlock it...
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I considered the SIII but the colors are a bit too saturated and the price tag was just a bit too high for me. Thanks for the response though.
LT30at can be rooted just not bootloader unlocked. Z will not be available on at&t.
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Spectre51 said:
LT30at can be rooted just not bootloader unlocked. Z will not be available on at&t.
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Just goes to show how dumb I am.. I thought you had to unlock the bootloader to root... I have read every guide on rooting for it and I must have messed up some place idk wtf
S0UND.w4v said:
Just goes to show how dumb I am.. I thought you had to unlock the bootloader to root... I have read every guide on rooting for it and I must have messed up some place idk wtf
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1886460
That's the root method to use but you have to install the backup and restore app manually before you do it since at&t removed it from their firmware.
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If you really want to switch, I'd say go for an HTC One VX/X possibly the white X. The sounds are much better and the phone feels just sexy in your hand! But you will have a mainstream 8MP camera (if you are concerned about it). I will not recommend Pantech as they are relatively new in the high end smartphone business AFAIK. Buying an Ion will actually be kind of a downgrade from the T. LG is not too durable and the Samsung devices that you have mentioned here seem to be a little outdated. AFAIK.
Thanks for the input man. I like the HTC but the screens seem a bit off colored in pictures compared to the bravia screens. What do you think?
I can't find how to install it manually. Any guides you could direct me to? Sorry in advance if it's staring me in the face and I'm blind.
S0UND.w4v said:
I can't find how to install it manually. Any guides you could direct me to? Sorry in advance if it's staring me in the face and I'm blind.
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Download the apk for backup and restore. (it's in the link I posted above) Enable unknown sources in your android settings and when you open the apk it will offset you the option to install.
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How do I open it?
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How do I open it?
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Do you know how to download and install apps that aren't from Google Patty?
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I figured it out with a little more help from a buddy. Thanks so much for all the help and patience. Any suggestions on what to do with a rooted phone? I have lucky patcher for my pandora. What other cool/fun stuff do you suggest? I may just hang in to my TL and trade up when the Z hits at&t. Not sure though
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I figured it out with a little more help from a buddy. Thanks so much for all the help and patience. Any suggestions on what to do with a rooted phone? I have lucky patcher for my pandora. What other cool/fun stuff do you suggest? I may just hang in to my TL and trade up when the Z hits at&t. Not sure though
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I mainly rooted to remove the bloatware AT&T apps ( but now I use the LT30p firmware so no bloatware from AT&T). Z will not be available through AT&T, would have to get it unlocked instead.
Can anyone conform 4.3 fix the BL unlock camera issue, or Sony will make us still wait the fix?
Also if this fixed will Sony give Z1 AOSP support like ZU just before?
FFS, give me a chance, my phone is still updating.
However the sony website still DOES NOT list the Z1 on its supported devices. So I suspect its not fixed
Thanks, if this haven't been fix maybe I think I have to stick official a little more longer, but miss the freedom of the AOSP Roms.
maomao891007 said:
Thanks, if this haven't been fix maybe I think I have to stick official a little more longer, but miss the freedom of the AOSP Roms.
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Even if it is fixed with this firmware drop it will still require integration into the AOSP projects. Have a little patience champion, we'll know soon enough.
Rekoil said:
Even if it is fixed with this firmware drop it will still require integration into the AOSP projects. Have a little patience champion, we'll know soon enough.
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But at least people will come, or the dev section will be almost dead like now. And the device I came also have the same problem, like HTC's BL lock, the things Dev can't mange will lead devices almost dead or take time and the result is next gernretion come, your devices haven't AOSP yet.
Another way, I'm not complain something, just want to see more people in Dev section discuss how to deal with problem/not working, not the eta/will something take Dev lot of time but will finally solve by xxxx official fix or others.
Fixed
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Originally Posted by DooMLoRD
"ITS FIXED! FINALLY!
Xperia Z1 bootloader-camera bug is now fixed on the 4.3 update!
finally can resume my custom kernel work"
Yep, people are reporting left and right that the issue is finally solved!
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Yep, people are reporting left and right that the issue is finally solved!
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Bootloader Unlocked = Yes
Camera Working = Yes!
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DeanBoro said:
Bootloader Unlocked = Yes
Camera Working = Yes!
4.3
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Now that is awesome! Good things ahead in the development area then!
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Bootloader Unlocked = Yes
Camera Working = Yes!
4.3
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did you notice any positive or negative change in picture quality after unlocking it ?
cocchiararo said:
did you notice any positive or negative change in picture quality after unlocking it ?
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Just checked then, terrible quality compared to locked bl
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Just checked then, terrible quality compared to locked bl
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so.. no use then ?
DeanBoro said:
Just checked then, terrible quality compared to locked bl
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Can you post some pics and the app you used?
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Im surprised sony actually fixed that, never expected a manufacturer to care about something like that
Definitely staying Sony
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did you notice any positive or negative change in picture quality after unlocking it ?
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The same as Lock Bootloader quality
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Just checked then, terrible quality compared to locked bl
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I really don't see how unlocking BL would affect image quality... I mean the problem previously was that unlocking BL would remove DRM, thus you couldn't even open the camera app, no?
sg1969 said:
I really don't see how unlocking BL would affect image quality... I mean the problem previously was that unlocking BL would remove DRM, thus you couldn't even open the camera app, no?
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It's thought that the BIONZ chip emulation would no longer work.
Its usable HOWEVER the image quality is nothing compared to the original quality before bootloader unlock.
sg1969 said:
I really don't see how unlocking BL would affect image quality... I mean the problem previously was that unlocking BL would remove DRM, thus you couldn't even open the camera app, no?
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It was said that unlocking disables bionz, so that has to have some effect on pictures.
2 guys at least said that they are much worse, 1 guy said that they are the same
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What are we needing in order to figure out how to unlock or bypass the AT&T Bootloader?
I downloaded the stock files and have the aboot.mbn and the sbl1/sdi.mdn files. I have never worked on bootloader files before, but have some experience modding kernel and ROM level code.
This may be ignorant on my part - but since we have the files, couldn't we open and manipulate the code that is currently restricting 3rd party recoveries, kernels and ROMS?
What is needed? And/or, could we not utilize the modified bootloaders from another device with similar architecture? Perhaps like the Note 3 or even the S4; not to mention the T-Mobile S5? Since the T-Mobile and AT&T versions of all Samsung phones are almost identical, I would assume that would be the easist route - at least to help determine the differences that are restricting our device.....
Let me know if anyone needs these files or has info on what to look for within them.... I'm happy to mod anything on my end.
Thanks !
Because it is locked we can't just flash over it with another one due to signatures and miss match.
Need to research into the os and associated code to find an exploit that can be used like safestrap.
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TheArtiszan said:
Because it is locked we can't just flash over it with another one due to signatures and miss match.
Need to research into the os and associated code to find an exploit that can be used like safestrap.
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Or if someone that works at AT&T or Samsung would be nice enough to leak a signing key or a signed unlocked bootloader.
Key from Tmobile S5
T-mobile S5 is rooted. Can we find the signing key used for Tmobile phones? Is there is a remote chance keys are same?
Will recoveries on Tmobile and ATT phone be same?
yoonus said:
T-mobile S5 is rooted. Can we find the signing key used for Tmobile phones? Is there is a remote chance keys are same?
Will recoveries on Tmobile and ATT phone be same?
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Thats a good question. I wonder if we know how many keys the S5 will accept for signed updates? I.e. Is there a Samsung and a AT&T key for all S5's or is it per model or is it derived somehow from the IEMI.
Why would the developers even waste their time on the AT&T S5? They know the story behind it. Same ol' thing. I would rather have them actually develop roms on the T-Mobile S5, which we all can use btw, instead of wasting time on trying to unlock the bootloader. If it could be hacked, it would have, LONG AGO!
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T-mobile S5 is rooted. Can we find the signing key used for Tmobile phones? Is there is a remote chance keys are same?
Will recoveries on Tmobile and ATT phone be same?
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How would the key used for the G900T be helpful? Its not like the key is on some partition somewhere
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Why would the developers even waste their time on the AT&T S5? They know the story behind it. Same ol' thing. I would rather have them actually develop roms on the T-Mobile S5, which we all can use btw, instead of wasting time on trying to unlock the bootloader. If it could be hacked, it would have, LONG AGO!
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Well to be fair, if you took the best developers and hardware/software hackers in the world and put them in a room with an amazing salary.. it would be hacked..
So lets not say that its impossible. It is just extremely difficult and beyond the scope of the few developers (if any) that are still around trying to crack into it. The problem is that there aren't that many people that just want to sit around trying to figure out a way to make it work, they would rather move to different phones and carriers instead, because its just overall easier.
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Why would the developers even waste their time on the AT&T S5? They know the story behind it. Same ol' thing. I would rather have them actually develop roms on the T-Mobile S5, which we all can use btw, instead of wasting time on trying to unlock the bootloader. If it could be hacked, it would have, LONG AGO!
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Yep, hate to burst anyone's bubble who has a G900A, but it's not going to happen... EVER. Options are to hold out for a developer edition phone from Samsung or get a T-mobile version... which is exactly the same thing minus the restrictions. Or if you are pissed at AT&T, just find another carrier. Maybe if there was enough churn from this, they would stop doing it.
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Yep, hate to burst anyone's bubble who has a G900A, but it's not going to happen... EVER. Options are to hold out for a developer edition phone from Samsung or get a T-mobile version... which is exactly the same thing minus the restrictions. Or if you are pissed at AT&T, just find another carrier. Maybe if there was enough churn from this, they would stop doing it.
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The s5 will get root same as the s4 did. People just need to be patient. There is definitely a dev that is working to unlock this thing. Everyone said the same thing about the s4 and now look
enigma99a said:
Yep, hate to burst anyone's bubble who has a G900A, but it's not going to happen... EVER. Options are to hold out for a developer edition phone from Samsung or get a T-mobile version... which is exactly the same thing minus the restrictions. Or if you are pissed at AT&T, just find another carrier. Maybe if there was enough churn from this, they would stop doing it.
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People like you make me laugh. Not even 2 weeks after release and you're already declaring the device will NEVER get root. Lol.
karmuh said:
People like you make me laugh. Not even 2 weeks after release and you're already declaring the device will NEVER get root. Lol.
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Yea I don't think its fair to say it "will never" or "cannot be" done.
PunchLick said:
Yea I don't think its fair to say it "will never" or "cannot be" done.
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Exactly. It can be done and it will be done. Anyone thinking otherwise is pretty naive. But then again, it's expected from those who don't even have the AT&T model, but continue to post in the AT&T section.
nbrent1007 said:
The s5 will get root same as the s4 did. People just need to be patient. There is definitely a dev that is working to unlock this thing. Everyone said the same thing about the s4 and now look
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This thread is about the boot loader, not getting root.
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Yea I don't think its fair to say it "will never" or "cannot be" done.
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No. Again, there is a difference from root and unlocking the bootloader. I was referring to the bootloader as that's what this thread is discussing. I never said it was impossible, it is quite possible just takes a lot of hard work. My prediction is that it will never be fully unlocked.
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This thread is about the boot loader, not getting root.
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No. Again, there is a difference from root and unlocking the bootloader. I was referring to the bootloader as that's what this thread is discussing. I never said it was impossible, it is quite possible just takes a lot of hard work. My prediction is that it will never be fully unlocked.
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I don't want to even have to worry about if it will or not, because I don't know who or how many are working on an exploit..
That's why I am switching to the One M8, but either way if/when something does change I may switch back.. I just would rather have fun now!
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I don't want to even have to worry about if it will or not, because I don't know who or how many are working on an exploit..
That's why I am switching to the One M8, but either way if/when something does change I may switch back.. I just would rather have fun now!
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You can always put in a bounty in the Verizon thread. So devs like myself who have experience cracking and exploiting might show some interest
enigma99a said:
You can always put in a bounty in the Verizon thread. So devs like myself who have experience cracking and exploiting might show some interest
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Id rather just not worry about it.
I do love Samsung, but HTC is the ethical choice.
Another one might be moving to TMO, but we shall seeee.......
PunchLick said:
Id rather just not worry about it.
I do love Samsung, but HTC is the ethical choice.
Another one might be moving to TMO, but we shall seeee.......
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+1. Loved Sammy but went to M8.
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You can always put in a bounty in the Verizon thread. So devs like myself who have experience cracking and exploiting might show some interest
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that bounty is up there pretty high already just sayin
cyberace1985 said:
that bounty is up there pretty high already just sayin
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I think the problem is SELinux is an extremely tough nut to crack(and I'm guessing you could easily get a six figure payday for an unknown SELinux/PaX kernel exploit in the black market at this point). Pretty much every linux kernel vulnerability exploit code I've seen fails on all of my boxes with SELinux, PAX and hardened GCC(one of these protection mechanisms always ends up killing the exploit before it can deliver its payload). Do we know exactly what SELinux and PAX(if any) features were enabled in the .config that Samsung used to compile the kernel (and if a hardened toolchain was used for the userland)? At least from what I've seen a properly configured SELinux box with Pax and hardened GCC is one of the toughest boxes to crack. I guess what we can hope for is that someone at Samsung did something stupid otherwise its quite possible we could be waiting for awhile(unless a key or signed unlocked bootloader leaks).
(edit: This applies to getting root through a kernel exploit.(Although with SELinux that isn't enough you need to not only be UID0 root but you also have to switch the role to sysadm_r. The bootloader I'm not 100 percent sure on the secure boot process but my understanding from reading other dev's threads is that this will be even harder than getting a root escalation in the SELinux kernel). Although if we could crack the bl we could just inject root easily.
Just browsing on signal strength app and saw that a boot loader was unknown and wondered if it was keeping blocking root stability?
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UktenaWarrior28 said:
Just browsing on signal strength app and saw that a boot loader was unknown and wondered if it was keeping blocking root stability?
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It probably shows that because it is a brand new phone and the app doesn't have the bootloader in it's database. just a guess
root has already been achieved in multiple ways, on all carrier devices. We are just waiting on the devs to release now.
Thank you for the reply. I was kinda curious about why mine shower no boot loader.
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Has anyone heard any news? I keep looking and have found nothing new.
DattKiddKFC said:
Has anyone heard any news? I keep looking and have found nothing new.
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I don't understand why they don't release the root method with an "at your own risk" disclaimer. A good number of us root users cut our teeth on the original HTC Dream and understand the involved risks.
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blackknightavalon said:
I don't understand why they don't release the root method with an "at your own risk" disclaimer. A good number of us root users cut our teeth on the original HTC Dream and understand the involved risks.
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I'm pretty sure the devs want to release the dummy-friendly version, like myself, who knows nothing about root but would like to try it.
xfearlz said:
I'm pretty sure the devs want to release the dummy-friendly version, like myself, who knows nothing about root but would like to try it.
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I'll take the step-by-step version where you have to read the instructions at least twice before going through with it. It'll remind me of the old days.
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Tomyk89 said:
It probably shows that because it is a brand new phone and the app doesn't have the bootloader in it's database. just a guess
root has already been achieved in multiple ways, on all carrier devices. We are just waiting on the devs to release now.
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From the research I've done, I've yet to see any proof that devs have achieved root on all carriers. Where did you find this information?
I have yet to see it done on a T-Mobile, Verizon and Sprint variation. I have seen it done on a AT&T phone. I am patient enough for the root
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From the research I've done, I've yet to see any proof that devs have achieved root on all carriers. Where did you find this information?
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I agree. I'd love to see someone that has achieved root comment.
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I don't understand why they don't release the root method with an "at your own risk" disclaimer. A good number of us root users cut our teeth on the original HTC Dream and understand the involved risks.
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They do not have it.
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They do not have it.
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Agreed. If root were available, even if the devs didn't feel it was ready for prime-time, we'd know about it. The fact that nobody has actually seen a rooted 811, pretty much proves that root has not been achieved.
There is a root method that does work. Its not prime ready. But there are articles ststimg root was achieved on an U.S. variant G4. As I stated before the dev bricked the first phone from the unstable root. After his second attempt he was sucessful. So how can justify there is no root for G4 stable or unstable?
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UktenaWarrior28 said:
There is a root method that does work. Its not prime ready. But there are articles ststimg root was achieved on an U.S. variant G4. As I stated before the dev bricked the first phone from the unstable root. After his second attempt he was sucessful. So how can justify there is no root for G4 stable or unstable?
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Not sure if this was directed at me or not, however.... There is clearly root for a "U.S. variant G4". There is clearly no root for the H811/T-Mobile variant. Nobody has claimed to see it either (that I am aware of).
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Not sure if this was directed at me or not, however.... There is clearly root for a "U.S. variant G4". There is clearly no root for the H811/T-Mobile variant. Nobody has claimed to see it either (that I am aware of).
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just because you haven't experienced it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Look at the female orgasm for example. Just believe.
The only thing I can see why one carrier may take longer is only the fact that carrier has just added something in a file that made it harder to exploit. But it has never really been that way.
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There is a root method that does work. Its not prime ready. But there are articles ststimg root was achieved on an U.S. variant G4. As I stated before the dev bricked the first phone from the unstable root. After his second attempt he was sucessful. So how can justify there is no root for G4 stable or unstable?
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As I've said, devs should release it with an "at your own risk" disclaimer.
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As I've said, devs should release it with an "at your own risk" disclaimer.
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I was agreeing with you and telling the others that there is one
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Root achieved. Go get it. Already rooted and install TWRP on mines. http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/...-tmo-vzw-intl-variants-soon-root-lg-t3164765/