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Hi,
what are the benifits of having s-off ? could someone tell me briefly ?
i can flash radio, rom, boot all without s-off so what is the key feature?
I dont need to change my cid cause i have the international One so do i need it ?
Can i flash hboot with s-off without relocking bootloader ??
thanks
B-Man2005 said:
Hi,
what are the benifits of having s-off ? could someone tell me briefly ?
i can flash radio, rom, boot all without s-off so what is the key feature?
I dont need to change my cid cause i have the international One so do i need it ?
Can i flash hboot with s-off without relocking bootloader ??
thanks
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Yes, no need to relock bootloader.
One of the advantage is that you can ruu/flash firmwares not specifically not for your device.
Btw you need super cid if you want to ruu firmwares from other carriers.
Sent from my HTC One
Thug_4_Life said:
Yes, no need to relock bootloader.
One of the advantage is that you can ruu/flash firmwares not specifically not for your device.
Btw you need super cid if you want to ruu firmwares from other carriers.
Sent from my HTC One
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"Yes, no need to relock bootloader."
thats enough for me ... thats good ... i hate relocking it when flashing hboot
B-Man2005 said:
Hi,
what are the benifits of having s-off ? could someone tell me briefly ?
i can flash radio, rom, boot all without s-off so what is the key feature?
I dont need to change my cid cause i have the international One so do i need it ?
Can i flash hboot with s-off without relocking bootloader ??
thanks
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I can think of two benefit.
The first one is receiving updates. I give the real example of the htc One X. When htc started rolling out the 4.1 update, very few CIDs received the update at first. others couldn't use updated custom roms, because the new rom required the new firmware, and everyone had to wait for very long (Literally months) until the firmware for their cid was released via ota (Even those using an international one x)
With S-off, as soon as someone receives the update, you can flash their updated firmware/hboot, and then update to the latest version using a custom rom or official RUU.
The other benefit that I would imagine is to be able to use the ROMs for the Google Edition of the htc One, which I guess would require a specific firmware or hboot, that we can flash with the s-off.
Shu. said:
I can think of two benefit.
The first one is receiving updates. I give the real example of the htc One X. When htc started rolling out the 4.1 update, very few CIDs received the update at first. others couldn't use updated custom roms, because the new rom required the new firmware, and everyone had to wait for very long (Literally months) until the firmware for their cid was released via ota (Even those using an international one x)
With S-off, as soon as someone receives the update, you can flash their updated firmware/hboot, and then update to the latest version using a custom rom or official RUU.
The other benefit that I would imagine is to be able to use the ROMs for the Google Edition of the htc One, which I guess would require a specific firmware or hboot, that we can flash with the s-off.
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no need for google edition ... no need for changing cid or flashing ruu´s
i always install renovate or mikes revolution hd and they always have the newest bases at first ...
so ... flashing hboot without relocking is benefit enough for me
thanks guys
With S-OFF you can also flash a custom splashscreens (the screen right before the bootanimation)
See: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2318987
Hi everyone,
I recently switched from my Galaxy Nexus to the HTC One. Coming from a nexus device, the general rooting procedure seems to be a bit more complicated on the one. After browsing the web for a few hours, a couple of things are still not completely clear and I would appreciate any help as I do not intend to break a recently bought 550€ device So thanks in advance.
Rooting, flashing roms and kernels, and installing a custom recovery works after unlocking the device with htcdev.com. I do not need S-Off for those things. Is this correct?
When it comes to returning the device to stock for let's say, a warranty-related issue, is this also possible with S-On? If this is the case, how would I do that as I mostly found guides to return to stock that require S-Off? I'm currently on hboot 1.54 so S-off is not an option right now.
Also, if I lock the bootloader again (which should work with fastboot oem lock I assume?) I read somewhere that it will say Relocked instead of Locked. Out of experience, would this be a problem if I need to send the device in?
Tl;dr: Rooting, flashing roms and kernels, installing a recovery is possible after unlocking the bootloader with htcdev.com. Can I also return the device to stock if I need to send it in with S-On or does that require S-Off?
Thank you.
Any help is appreciated.
All the rooting, etc. can be done with just an unlocked bootloader. It's the downgrading that required S-OFF
EddyOS said:
All the rooting, etc. can be done with just an unlocked bootloader. It's the downgrading that required S-OFF
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That's quite pleasant news, thank you. Can I also return it to stock for warranty-related issues with S-on? And what do you mean with downgrading and why would I do that?
As there is no RUU available for anything over 1.29.401.16, being S-OFF gives the option of using an older RUU to get the phone back to 100% stock and then you can get the OTA updates to get to the latest version again. If you're S-ON you can only restore a nandroid backup (which I would say a million times to do before flashing a new ROM), restore the stock recovery and then relock the device
b0ld said:
That's quite pleasant news, thank you. Can I also return it to stock for warranty-related issues with S-on? And what do you mean with downgrading and why would I do that?
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Well first thing you should do when you unlock your bootloader is do a nandroid backup of your stock rom. that way you can flash it back if you ever want to return to stock; so you won't need to look endlessly for an RUU or other backup, which may or may not exist.
However, once you do unlock and install custom recovery your bootloader will say:
*** UNLOCKED ***
*** TAMPERED ***
and if you re-lock your bootloader, it will only go back to *** RELOCKED ***, it will never go back to *** LOCKED *** (unless you're S-Off with revone)
I'm not sure about the TAMPERED, as there are some conflicting reports, some say TAMPERED will go away once you flash stock recovery, and others say it will not go away.
So for warranty issues it really depends on your country and/or repair center, some will "overlook" the unlocked/relocked status if it's a hardware defect and either repair or send you a new one, but then again there are some that will blame the fault on you, saying that unlocking and flashing custom roms was the cause of the malfunction.
We don't have warranty where I live so I can't really help there. You could post your carrier and country, and see what other people have experienced.
Thank you all, this has been really helpful. What happens in case I brick my device while having S-On? Would you say that S-off is really important or doesn't it really matter at all if I don't care for OTA updates? And can I obtain S-Off if I am already rooted and on a custom Rom if it should ever be available for hboot 1.54?
I'll post my information as you suggested.
Country: Austria
Carrier: 3, but I don't think that matters as I bought the device unlocked.
b0ld said:
Thank you all, this has been really helpful. What happens in case I brick my device while having S-On? Would you say that S-off is really important or doesn't it really matter at all if I don't care for OTA updates? And can I obtain S-Off if I am already rooted and on a custom Rom if it should ever be available for hboot 1.54?
I'll post my information as you suggested.
Country: Austria
Carrier: 3, but I don't think that matters as I bought the device unlocked.
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With S-On you can do pretty much everything (custom ROMs, even Radios). The only thing you won't be able to flash is the firmware. You would either need to find a signed firmware for your CID and MID, or if an OTA comes in your country (which includes newer firmware), you would have to flash back to stock + stock recovery, relock your bootloader, accept the OTA then unlock again and restore whatever custom ROM you were using. (not that difficult)
Anyway, from what I've seen so far, most ROMs are not being dependent on any specific firmware version. Are you already on 2.24 firmware? I think that's the currently official version.
And with S-On, it's very hard to brick your device as you can't mess with the hboot which is the main reason for bricks.
Thanks for the quick reply. In this thread it is stated that after flashing s nandroid backup without s-off it might result in problems like the touchscreen not working. (1st post) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2358738
Is this always the case?
That is if you flash a 4.1.2-based nandroid when you have the 4.2.2 FW. If you flash your own one (which is why you should ALWAYS make a backup before doing anything else) you should have no issues
What if I flash a 4.3 custom rim and decide to flash my current 4.2.2 stock nandroid?
That'll be fine as you won't be on the 4.3 FW (as you can't flash FW when S-ON)
b0ld said:
What if I flash a 4.3 custom rim and decide to flash my current 4.2.2 stock nandroid?
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Firmware version is not tied to ROM version, even if you run a 4.3 ROM, your firmware will still be 2.24 (from 4.2.2). And since you're S-On you can't flash any unsigned firmware. So no worries.
EDIT: EddyOS was faster
That's good news.
Why would I need a newer firmware then (probably noob question)? Would it also be possible to flash the official htc stock 4.3 rom with sense once it's released? And is it possible to get s-off once the bootloader is unlocked etc.?
If i understand correctly, even with s-on I can do pretty much anything, and if I should screw up something, flashing my nandroid backup will resolve it?
b0ld said:
That's good news.
Why would I need a newer firmware then (probably noob question)? Would it also be possible to flash the official htc stock 4.3 rom with sense once it's released? And is it possible to get s-off once the bootloader is unlocked etc.?
If i understand correctly, even with s-on I can do pretty much anything, and if I should screw up something, flashing my nandroid backup will resolve it?
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1- Newer firmware can (should ) have improvements (performance, stability, battery) over previous ones, e.g. the firmware 2.24 showed significant improvement of the touch drivers, but after 2.24 firmware I haven't seen any noticeable remarks from other threads.
2- Once the official 4.3 stock OTA rolls out, you will be able to get it after you restore your phone to stock (ie stock rom from your backup + stock recovery + relocked)
3- You won't be able to get S-Off (even with unlocked bootloader) until a new exploit is found (if ever )
4- with s-on you can flash back your original backup, or any custom rom, kernel, radio. the only thing is your phone will show ***UNLOCKED***/***RELOCKED*** and ***TAMPERED*** in the bootloader.
Thanks again, very informative! One (hopefully) last question (for now), do I have to flash the boot.img seperately when flashing a new rom on the PC with s-on or can I jhst flash the .zip, just like on the nexus?
Boot.img flashes with the ROM as a Nexus does, only the One X needed to flash the boot.img manually after a ROM
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Thanks again, very informative! One (hopefully) last question (for now), do I have to flash the boot.img seperately when flashing a new rom on the PC with s-on or can I jhst flash the .zip, just like on the nexus?
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boot.img usually comes in the zip of the ROM, no need to flash separately.
EDIT: EddyOS does it again :laugh:
So, long story short: The only thing that's different from the nexus is that the bootloader will say "relocked" or "tampered". I can still receive OTAs as soon as I flash the nandroid backup I made after flashing the custom recovery. I can still switch between 4.2 and 4.3 ROMs if I'd like to. I can basically do anything with S-On besides modifying system files (which I do not intend to). I could even receive the next firmware updates (the ones after the current 2.24) if I restore my nandroid, restore the original recovery image, and relock the bootloader. There are no "real" downsides for me if I stay S-On as I can return everything to stock anyway. Is this correct?
b0ld said:
So, long story short: The only thing that's different from the nexus is that the bootloader will say "relocked" or "tampered". I can still receive OTAs as soon as I flash the nandroid backup I made after flashing the custom recovery. I can still switch between 4.2 and 4.3 ROMs if I'd like to. I can basically do anything with S-On besides modifying system files (which I do not intend to). I could even receive the next firmware updates (the ones after the current 2.24) if I restore my nandroid, restore the original recovery image, and relock the bootloader. There are no "real" downsides for me if I stay S-On as I can return everything to stock anyway. Is this correct?
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Yep sounds right :good:
If you had S-Off then you could remove the tampered and unlocked/relocked signs, and you could mess around (upgrade & downgrade) unsigned firmwares.
With S-On you have to stick with the official OTAs.
nkk71 said:
If you had S-Off then you could remove the tampered and unlocked/relocked signs, (...)
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If there should ever be a method of getting S-Off with hboot 1.54, it makes no difference if I root it right now and install a custom rom, as I can relock and restore everything again. Right?
So I read about S-OFF and I can gather that it has something to do with unlocking the bootloader. I'm a little confused since I just went to the HTC website and did the official unlock steps, I'm now rooted with clockworkmod CM10.2, and my bootloader is S-ON.
Basically, I never did S-OFF so I'm confused about why it's so important and why didn't I have to do it?
Stephen304 said:
So I read about S-OFF and I can gather that it has something to do with unlocking the bootloader. I'm a little confused since I just went to the HTC website and did the official unlock steps, I'm now rooted with clockworkmod CM10.2, and my bootloader is S-ON.
Basically, I never did S-OFF so I'm confused about why it's so important and why didn't I have to do it?
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Its not important at all
Sent from my HTC One using xda app-developers app
With S-off you can flash everything you want on your phone . Downgrade is a most comun reason.
Sent from my HTC 802w
Stephen304 said:
So I read about S-OFF and I can gather that it has something to do with unlocking the bootloader. I'm a little confused since I just went to the HTC website and did the official unlock steps, I'm now rooted with clockworkmod CM10.2, and my bootloader is S-ON.
Basically, I never did S-OFF so I'm confused about why it's so important and why didn't I have to do it?
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Some carriers are the only users option in their area.
Like for me, that carrier would be Verizon. They have great coverage.
But they also happen to be evil and had HTC block our HTC One's MID from being able to use the HTC Bootloader Unlock bin file.
It will fail the initial checks after getting the token from you.
We also have the 1.54 hboot as stock, so there is no using moonshine, or facepalm, or any other previous method as of yet.
So in order for poor folks with carriers that strongarm smaller companies like HTC into doing things against their wishes and our wishes,
S-off allows us to then change CID,MID, etc,...as well as then go and unlock the bootloader as we should be able to do by choice.
That's why they built it and added in a warranty void warning, so we could make that choice if we so choose.
Anyway, that should make it more clear to you now at least, sorry for the extra carrier rant, lol.
Plus the obvious other advantages of flashing radios, kernels, etc,...without doing fastboot.
Ah okay. So S-off does similar to the HTCDev unlock? If I used S-Off instead could I get rid of the ugly warning text on boot?
Htc dev unlock only needed partitions. S-off unlock ALL
Sent from my HTC 802w
Stephen304 said:
Ah okay. So S-off does similar to the HTCDev unlock? If I used S-Off instead could I get rid of the ugly warning text on boot?
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Yes you could get ride of the warning text with s-off, with s-on you cannot.
Everything what's said above + more , for example if htc one windows version ever gets ported s-off users can have it , we can also convert our device into ge edition / dev edition / flash whatever comes thru your mind , even splash screens , use modified bootloaders , we can also unlock bootloader without need of HTC official unlock process , we can lock it as well ( s-on can only relock it ) we can also completely hide we ever were rooted / unlocked for warranty reasons while s-on can't.
We can also use super cid which allows us to flash any ruu or use any region / carrier roms.
We can also downgrade bootloader or flash any other.
That's mainly it , also for example us with s-off have writeable partitions while for example s-on users still don't on 3.22 base.
And at the end maybe a good thing for you and some less advanced or less knowledgeable ppl s-on is a good thing since with s-on phone is practically indestructible software-wise , while with s-off small mistake even in fastboot could brick the device.
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santod040 said:
Plus the obvious other advantages of flashing radios, kernels, etc,...without doing fastboot.
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With the HTC One, you can flash radios and kernels in the recovery if you unlock the bootloader...
>> Sent from the abyss <<
Stephen304 said:
So I read about S-OFF and I can gather that it has something to do with unlocking the bootloader. I'm a little confused since I just went to the HTC website and did the official unlock steps, I'm now rooted with clockworkmod CM10.2, and my bootloader is S-ON.
Basically, I never did S-OFF so I'm confused about why it's so important and why didn't I have to do it?
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To get official OTA with updates to firmware, hboot and everything you have to get them from your carrier, and this depends on your CID. You cannot change this on S-ON. So basically your are bound to your carrier for life, they may but also may not release updates (like for ex. carriers in USA skipped 4.2 if I am not mistaken). You can of course flash custom ROM using dev unlock, but it won't update the firmware.
Ah okay thanks for the info! I have one more question about S-OFF if you don't mind: If I S-OFF and disable the red warning (flashing an unsigned fw), then S-ON again, would the warning come back?
If you do s-on with modified hboot will result an instant and forever brick. Dont do that.
Sent from my HTC 802w
Stephen304 said:
Ah okay thanks for the info! I have one more question about S-OFF if you don't mind: If I S-OFF and disable the red warning (flashing an unsigned fw), then S-ON again, would the warning come back?
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Why exactly would you want to go back to S-ON?
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Hey, I have an AT&T HTC one m7 running 4.1.2 and hboot 1.44
I was wondering which steps should I take to convert to a GPE in order to get an updated version of stock android (as I am not feeling very comfortable with HTC Sense).
Someone told me that I should do S-Off now and be happy ever after lol. Is it worth it??? If I have problems with camera tint, could I get it fixed or am I gonna have problems claiming the warranty?
1) What procedure should I use to do S-Off ??? I've seen like 3 different ones.
2) Doing S-Off also implies getting the bootloader unlocked right?
If you guys could point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful. Which guides I should follow to get from where I am, to a fully updated GPE phone?
Piachnp said:
Hey, I have an AT&T HTC one m7 running 4.1.2 and hboot 1.44
I was wondering which steps should I take to convert to a GPE in order to get an updated version of stock android (as I am not feeling very comfortable with HTC Sense).
Someone told me that I should do S-Off now and be happy ever after lol. Is it worth it??? If I have problems with camera tint, could I get it fixed or am I gonna have problems claiming the warranty?
1) What procedure should I use to do S-Off ??? I've seen like 3 different ones.
2) Doing S-Off also implies getting the bootloader unlocked right?
If you guys could point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful. Which guides I should follow to get from where I am, to a fully updated GPE phone?
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1) The camera tint cannot be corrected unless you're on stock Sense firmware. Prior to S-OFF and a GPE ROM/firmware, the bootloader needs to be unlocked and phone must be rooted. Bootloader unlock and root voids warranty
2) First, unlock the bootloader. Then, flash a custom recovery and then, root. Then use Revone to S-OFF. HBOOT 1.44 is the least problematic, S-OFF is quite straightforward.
3) Yes, bootloader unlock is the first step towards S-OFF. It'll wipe the phone completely. So, make a backup first
Also note: To get the latest stock android build on your One, you have 2 options:
1) Complete conversion using an RUU. Link here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2358781
2) Flash a GPE-based ROM in custom recovery (Eg, Skydragon, ARHD, SinLess, etc.)
A full conversion involves much more steps; a ROM is more straightforward. You'll the the exact same GPE experience on either
Thank you for clarifying the steps. Every phone is different, and I got very overwhelmed with the info on this forum.
I'll get started with the bootloader unlocking and rooting!
Hi to everybody. I am planning to buy an used M7 with 1.55 Hboot.
So I was planning to Unlock, Root and then S-Off with Rumrunner.
But when I do this how can I update the phone to Lollipop stock to flash a custom rom like Viper (I've red that I can't flash it if I am not in Lollipop stock)?
Or have I to do every OTA Updates, upgrade to stock Lollipop, than do Unlock, Root and S-Off by Sunshine?
I really do not understand, it's very difficult to find this information, I've red lots of posts but I am still confused!
Thank's a lot!
HarryCustom said:
Hi to everybody. I am planning to buy an used M7 with 1.55 Hboot.
So I was planning to Unlock, Root and then S-Off with Rumrunner.
But when I do this how can I update the phone to Lollipop stock to flash a custom rom like Viper (I've red that I can't flash it if I am not in Lollipop stock)?
Or have I to do every OTA Updates, upgrade to stock Lollipop, than do Unlock, Root and S-Off by Sunshine?
I really do not understand, it's very difficult to find this information, I've red lots of posts but I am still confused!
Thank's a lot!
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You should definitively try to s-off for free on hboot 1.55, better not to update the phone until you have achieved s-off.
Once s-off, you'll be able to update to anything you want using a ruu for example. Newer roms doesn't really requires lollipop OS but the firmware update that comes with it (7.xx.xxx.x)
You'll then update the firmware to a 7.xx.xxx.x version using a firmware.zip file or a full ruu.zip. Ask help when ready to flash the firmware to be sure you flash the right one as you can brick your phone if not done properly.
Also note that you don't need s-off to update your phone and flash a rom but its a good idea to achieve it now before updating. Its always easier to recover a bricked phone when its s-off but also remember its also easier to brick a s-off phone if you flash the wrong file so do not hesitate to ask questions before flashing, especially when flashing firmware files.
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Also note that you don't need s-off to update your phone and flash a rom but its a good idea to achieve it now before updating. Its always easier to recover a bricked phone when its s-off but also remember its also easier to brick a s-off phone if you flash the wrong file so do not hesitate to ask questions before flashing, especially when flashing firmware files.
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Thank you very much I think the phone is an HTC One M7 801e "U" version, so as I understand well, after S-Off, I have to find the right RUU, flash it and than flash my favourite rom!