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Warning D3 users: screen will scratch if you look at it wrong

I've seen a few other posts on a few other boards about the D3 having a VERY scratchable screen. Normally, I tell people that modern screen are durable as nails, but tonight, I got bit. My D3 now has a nice "pinhole" indentation in the screen. In the damaged area, surrounding the new scratch, you can feel that there is a RAISED area of some material. Its obvious that this screen has some kind of coating on it that can be easily damaged. It is definitely NOT a single piece of glass. My OG Droid got pummeled for a year and a half. Its screen is MINT. My new D3 is now damaged on it's 9th day.
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Now that Moto is making phones with no removable battery (D4), is making easily scratchable pentile screens (D3), and pulls this bootloader cr*p, I think this will be my last one. Googarolla, I hope you are listening.
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ryanmcdonald said:
I've seen a few other posts on a few other boards about the D3 having a VERY scratchable screen. Normally, I tell people that modern screen are durable as nails, but tonight, I got bit. My D3 now has a nice "pinhole" indentation in the screen. In the damaged area, surrounding the new scratch, you can feel that there is a RAISED area of some material. Its obvious that this screen has some kind of coating on it that can be easily damaged. It is definitely NOT a single piece of glass. My OG Droid got pummeled for a year and a half. Its screen is MINT. My new D3 is now damaged on it's 9th day.
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Now that Moto is making phones with no removable battery (D4), is making easily scratchable pentile screens (D3), and pulls this bootloader cr*p, I think this will be my last one. Googarolla, I hope you are listening.
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I've been through 9 Droid3 replacements for various hardware issues, but never once did I have problems with the screen scratching. Mind you, I'm OCD, so I'm always wiping it down with my shirt or a piece of napkin. Never once scratched. So, I'm not sure what to tell you...

Lyxdeslic said:
I've been through 9 Droid3 replacements for various hardware issues, but never once did I have problems with the screen scratching. Mind you, I'm OCD, so I'm always wiping it down with my shirt or a piece of napkin. Never once scratched. So, I'm not sure what to tell you...
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My screen looks the same as when I first got it about 3 months ago.

No scratches yet. Technically any screen can get scratched, even gorilla glass.just have to be careful.
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My phone has literally been dragged and dropped face-down in and across a parking garage (don't ask) and the screen is still in perfect shape.

dropped my phone a good bit, screen still fine
dpwhitty11 said:
My phone has literally been dragged and dropped face-down in and across a parking garage (don't ask) and the screen is still in perfect shape.
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lol im sorry but reading this has me too curious...could u give a small sum up of what happened?

SMH
I'm not so lucky.I have a small scratch on the M on the top where it says Motorola. Boo

Same story here OP. My OG Droid never had a case on it and the screen was perfect when I sold it, same with my Droid X. I have 2 hairline scratches and a tiny chip on my Droid 3... and it has a case and is always in my pocket by itself.

To the OP...
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Seriously. You sound like a cry baby. I don't care if a phone has a diamond coated protection layer, ill still slap on at the very least a 5 dollar no name screen protector. Infact I even cut a screen protector to size to cover the camera lens. Why? Because I don't take the chance. Obviously something YOU did scratched the screen. Its not the phones fault or motorolas fault. Time to put the big boy pants on, accept some responsibility, and realize it was something you did.
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To the OP...
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Seriously. You sound like a cry baby. I don't care if a phone has a diamond coated protection layer, ill still slap on at the very least a 5 dollar no name screen protector. Infact I even cut a screen protector to size to cover the camera lens. Why? Because I don't take the chance. Obviously something YOU did scratched the screen. Its not the phones fault or motorolas fault. Time to put the big boy pants on, accept some responsibility, and realize it was something you did.
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I really don't think he's crying about it, he's making a valid point. If a phone from 2 years ago has better scratch resistance, I think that's a problem too. Technology is supposed to improve as time goes on, not be cheaply mass-produced with low quality materials. Should he have put a screen protector on it, probably, but why would he assume he'd need to if an old model lasted 2 years without a scratch?
Chill out.

I thought it was determined that the screen had a anti-glare covering that was the culprit of the micro-scratches, not the gorilla glass?
TLR Buy a screen protector, I got one for $5 off eBay with a car charger.

I teared when my OG Droid got a scratch a month before replacing it with the D3. So I slapped a screen protector on my D3 and now I'm happy.
Honestly, thinking that anything is unscratchable sounds more like a "User Error ID:10T" problem. The Gorilla glass on the Droid 3 doesn't seem as strong as the OG Droid because people wanted anti-glare.
Technology is improving, some users on the other hand aren't.
Yonnor said:
I got one for $5 off eBay with a car charger.
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@Yonnor
Dude, nice buy.
It was $15 for my combo at an authorized dealer.

ultima86 said:
dropped my phone a good bit, screen still fine
lol im sorry but reading this has me too curious...could u give a small sum up of what happened?
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Last weekend some friends and I were having a "fun and chill" experience, when I decided to get out of their car and go wait in mine with a girl. Then we got an idea of sneaking up to their car and using the LED of my phone to imitate the brightass spotlight on police cars. And so while holding my phone in her hand, the girl crawled across the parking garage to the other car.
#college
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My ex girlfriend managed to scratch my gift, a Rado watch (which is one of the hardest thing on the earth) after three days of use.
So I guess is not too hard to scratch a piece of gorilla glass too.
Btw gorilla glass or not the Droid 3 bezel is way more delicate than the one of my old Milestone 1.
I had the latter for a whole year and all the phone (toy keyboard excluded) looked like new after such amount of time, the D3 already feels "used" after a month.

Wow, is the D4 really not going to have a removable battery..? What sort of iPhone-ish ******ry is THAT?? I really, really hope that's not true, because any smart-phone that can't take an upgraded battery is not worth having. Screw 8-10 hours of battery life, that's pathetic.
But on topic, my screen is still fine as well.

Savior057 said:
Wow, is the D4 really not going to have a removable battery..? What sort of iPhone-ish ******ry is THAT??
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Looks like that most of the Apple competitors are doing their best to copy the idiotic Apple's moves (lack of keyboard, locks everywhere, microsims, fixed batteries, and so on) but at the same time are managing to avoid the good ones like the extended OS support, or the focus on a few models instead of producing a plethora of (often pointless) models.

I have had my phone for a couple months and it is mint.
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on the non-removable batt, when your phone freezes up and the power button isnt working BECAUSE your phone is froze, which you then need a battery pull, how would one go about restarting the phone?

ultima86 said:
on the non-removable batt, when your phone freezes up and the power button isnt working BECAUSE your phone is froze, which you then need a battery pull, how would one go about restarting the phone?
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Most likely will have either a button combo, or a pin-hole reset button. Or atleast thats what i would do if i was a moto engineer
morse coded via my DROID 3

Yonnor said:
Most likely will have either a button combo, or a pin-hole reset button. Or atleast thats what i would do if i was a moto engineer
morse coded via my DROID 3
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you used to could alt-shift-del to reboot, but it doesn't work on the D3. even if it did work, there was that .001% chance that you really would need to remove the battery, to which you would obviously need a pin reset.
not sure why they dumped the alt-shift-del reboot. i greatly miss it.

[Q] Future damage on HTC One

I can't decide between the HTC One and the GS4 for one reason only: body damage. All the reviews so far have been about the usual stuff, but no one mentions what possibly could happen in the future. Now, all my previous phones have been plastic, and the scratches and damages have been minimal. But I was just wondering, with the metal and all, how badly it would get affected? Would the body degrade after a year?
Some reports say that the S4 is worse than the One or Iphone 5 in terms of durability. But i want to hear from the users themselves what the reality is.
P.S: I won't use a case, because i'm not about to buy a good phone and ruin its looks with a case.
Appreciate your honest feedback!
Thanks

kingzain900 said:
I can't decide between the HTC One and the GS4 for one reason only: body damage. All the reviews so far have been about the usual stuff, but no one mentions what possibly could happen in the future. Now, all my previous phones have been plastic, and the scratches and damages have been minimal. But I was just wondering, with the metal and all, how badly it would get affected? Would the body degrade after a year?
Some reports say that the S4 is worse than the One or Iphone 5 in terms of durability. But i want to hear from the users themselves what the reality is.
P.S: I won't use a case, because i'm not about to buy a good phone and ruin its looks with a case.
Appreciate your honest feedback!
Thanks
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I had an S3 prior to my One, and have vowed not to go plastic again, as after 12 months my S3 especially the back was covered in ugly scratches, even the plastic case I had on for a month scratched the S3.
The One is made from an aluminium alloy since Aluminium as a pure metal I am sure is way too soft, I think Al-Mg-Si is probably the elements but I dont know the mix.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_alloy

Try this one
http://www.5stareasyofficesupplies....master-Yellow-Phone-Sim-Free&IdProduct=879095
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schrickm5 said:
I had an S3 prior to my One, and have vowed not to go plastic again, as after 12 months my S3 especially the back was covered in ugly scratches, even the plastic case I had on for a month scratched the S3.
The One is made from an aluminium alloy since Aluminium as a pure metal I am sure is way too soft, I think Al-Mg-Si is probably the elements but I dont know the mix.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_alloy
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Oh I didn't know that the S3 could get that bad. Most people have said that plastic handles it well. Thanks for your help though.
seanicca said:
Try this one
http://www.5stareasyofficesupplies....master-Yellow-Phone-Sim-Free&IdProduct=879095
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What a wonderful on-topic post! Thank you soooo much for your kind help and tip. You have solved all my problems.

After having my One for a week , I have managed to bump into the corner of the table and that corner tap into the camera area and shattered the lens cover and damaged the camera modules, it wasn't hard but with sheer bad luck it dented the surrounded area (hardly visible due to no scratches) but it's there.

dethree said:
After having my One for a week , I have managed to bump into the corner of the table and that corner tap into the camera area and shattered the lens cover and damaged the camera modules, it wasn't hard but with sheer bad luck it dented the surrounded area (hardly visible due to no scratches) but it's there.
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Oh jeez that sucks! I hope you had warranty.

kingzain900 said:
What a wonderful on-topic post! Thank you soooo much for your kind help and tip. You have solved all my problems.
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Seriously, if people thought about what could happen in the future no one would buy anything. Like you I don't really like cases but after paying nearly £500 on this phone I decided to buy a nillkin case off eBay for under £5 and it hardly adds any bulk to the phone, I've still had people ask what phone I've got and been impressed
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Black-Nillkin-Matte-Back-Hard-Cover-Case-LCD-Guard-HTC-One-M7-LTE-64GB-32GB-/130869235452?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D7468025070692046485%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D130869235452%26

seanicca said:
Seriously, if people thought about what could happen in the future no one would buy anything. Like you I don't really like cases but after paying nearly £500 on this phone I decided to buy a nillkin case off eBay for under £5 and it hardly adds any bulk to the phone, I've still had people ask what phone I've got and been impressed
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Black-Nillkin-Matte-Back-Hard-Cover-Case-LCD-Guard-HTC-One-M7-LTE-64GB-32GB-/130869235452?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D7468025070692046485%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D130869235452%26
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Ah that's a really nice case. Thanks. Minimal and clean. I was looking at a DoubleDip case as well but it seems a bit odd. This is definitely cheaper and better.

Undecided - should I sell my One?

I've had a One for a few months but a couple of weeks ago I woke up to find it dead, after what I'd consider very minor liquid exposure (phone left in damp jeans overnight following drink spillage)
So, I have a new one arriving through my insurance claim but I'm now nervous that it seems pretty fragile after this experience - and critically, I can't make any more insurance claims this year if it breaks again as I claimed for a dead s3 this year also...
Am I right in thinking this isn't the hardiest phone out there? Should I sell up and go for the tougher Xperia? I just stick with my s3? It's not like the One does a huge amount the s3 couldn't.
Seriously undecided - thoughts?

I'm considering getting rid of my One for other reasons and one of the phones I'm considering is the Xperia Z. Just waiting for it to come out on T-Mob, AT&T, or Google Edition.

How is the Xperia "sturdier" It's full glass. The only way it's "sturdier" is that it can survive water..

I think it depends on what you're looking in your phone.
If you found that the One is perfect for you and the only thing that bothers you is its water resistant, so just take care of it a little bit more.
Else, if you know you can't keep it far from danger, you may take Xperia Z.

deezle said:
I've had a One for a few months but a couple of weeks ago I woke up to find it dead, after what I'd consider very minor liquid exposure (phone left in damp jeans overnight following drink spillage)
So, I have a new one arriving through my insurance claim but I'm now nervous that it seems pretty fragile after this experience - and critically, I can't make any more insurance claims this year if it breaks again as I claimed for a dead s3 this year also...
Am I right in thinking this isn't the hardiest phone out there? Should I sell up and go for the tougher Xperia? I just stick with my s3? It's not like the One does a huge amount the s3 couldn't.
Seriously undecided - thoughts?
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If it was left wrapped in damp material there is a very good chance this is what would happen to a lot of phones.
Not having a dig in any way, but you've claimed twice in a year which suggests you need to look after them a bit more.

cjm1979 said:
If it was left wrapped in damp material there is a very good chance this is what would happen to a lot of phones.
Not having a dig in any way, but you've claimed twice in a year which suggests you need to look after them a bit more.
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Agreed, unless you had a waterproof phone then most phones would have become damaged its your own stupid fault, look after phones more. Good luck on claiming about the xperias back if you drop it and smash it.

ArmedandDangerous said:
How is the Xperia "sturdier" It's full glass. The only way it's "sturdier" is that it can survive water..
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Isn't the glass stronger on the Xperia?

deezle said:
Isn't the glass stronger on the Xperia?
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You're saying that a full glass phone will take a beating better than an aluminum one? Sure, the One might have dinks if it's being bumped around, but chances are the Xperia will be totally shattered so.. I still don't see how you think glass is "stronger" in that sense than metal.

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You're saying that a full glass phone will take a beating better than an aluminum one? Sure, the One might have dinks if it's being bumped around, but chances are the Xperia will be totally shattered so.. I still don't see how you think glass is "stronger" in that sense than metal.
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I'm referring to the screen.

Why would only worry about the screen? Both use glass. The Xperia is full glass all around and has a much worse screen. If you're as careless as you seem to be, ain't nothing gonna save you from destroying any phone unfortunately.

ArmedandDangerous said:
Why would only worry about the screen? Both use glass. The Xperia is full glass all around and has a much worse screen. If you're as careless as you seem to be, ain't nothing gonna save you from destroying any phone unfortunately.
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This

The One is very sturdy indeed, mine's survived a good few drops now, but the Z was tougher. The glass on the Z is bendy, Dragontail I believe, and the frame is a toughened material that's far stronger than the One.
For every other reason other than waterproof ability, I would choose the One.
The S3 is incredibly fragile. Two people I know have shattered their screens, one of them trice, purely from dropping them from around 1 foot high.

biffsmash said:
The S3 is incredibly fragile. Two people I know have shattered their screens, one of them trice, purely from dropping them from around 1 foot high.
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This is certainly true, so annoying. It's not a particularly grippy phone either - I dropped it twice in a year, both pretty minor but the screen cracked both times. I only claimed on insurance so I could sell it...
And thanks for the helpful response, much more useful than everyone who seems to know everything about how I care for my possessions.
Seems their is no specific comments around the One being particularly bad with minor liquid contact so I'll take that as a good sign, swayiing towards sticking with the one at the moment.

The xperia isn't sturdier at all, saying that all phones when naked are pretty weak, none of them will take a 6 foot fall in the right place, so with that in mind the only reason to move to the xperia is because you fear dropping it in water and or you plan to use it under water or around it.
For me the One is the best phone of the year for many reasons, you have to weigh up what suits you best.
Leaving your phone in wet anything is pretty stupid though, would you leave 500 quid in damp jeans? Your laptop in a wet environment? No, so don't do it with your phone.
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Forgot to mention, liquid damage of any kind is a guessing game unless you plan to test each component, most of which the end user can't test anyway, I always assume the worst when it comes to liquid damage, that way i'm covered, plus thats what insurance is for.
If it's just a bit of water on the screen and nothing has seaped into the handset itself then you may be ok, but if it has gone into the handset then theres no telling what damage has been done.
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Anyone seen a camera lens protector for this phone?

maybe like a glass screen protector but for the camera, or even possibly a plastic one but it might not be as "transparent" when taking pictures.
anyone seen anything or am i going tohave to build my own?

johnzm said:
maybe like a glass screen protector but for the camera, or even possibly a plastic one but it might not be as "transparent" when taking pictures.
anyone seen anything or am i going tohave to build my own?
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Don't bother. Pictures will look terrible. Just take care of your phone.

i just noticed another thread on the S4 forums someone said
"Stick a piece of clear scotch tape. "
seems interesting and easy to replace/recut. i might try that first and see how image quality compares

from the posts ive seen so far, it is only luck that prevents scratches on the "sapphire" lens. as you can see in the general chat, people who have cases, people who dont put anything else in their pocket, get the same scratches as people who dont seem to care. and this is a phone i want to use for more than a year?
some of these people are 3 months in and unable to use their camera.
Brava, if you dont use your camera thats fine, but if you do, i would suggest you look at your camera lens and watch it deteriorate without any protection

johnzm said:
from the posts ive seen so far, it is only luck that prevents scratches on the "sapphire" lens. as you can see in the general chat, people who have cases, people who dont put anything else in their pocket, get the same scratches as people who dont seem to care. and this is a phone i want to use for more than a year?
some of these people are 3 months in and unable to use their camera.
Brava, if you dont use your camera thats fine, but if you do, i would suggest you look at your camera lens and watch it deteriorate without any protection
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camera just fine for all my previous phone no scratch nothing shiny as new, had note went to bench and everything not a single scratches, o yeh i take a lot of pictures about 5GB of photos that taken by my note

This phone has a sapphire lens, which is a very hard material, I don't think its needed.

SoCGHOST said:
This phone has a sapphire lens, which is a very hard material, I don't think its needed.
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Ehh, that's what I thought. Think again http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2475976
I think if you don't have a case it could be a problem.

It is a hard lens, but there will be minor, very light scratches on it, most likely it won't affect your pictures, but I was thinking this same thing tho, maybe a tiny piece of ghost armor over the camera.
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johnzm said:
from the posts ive seen so far, it is only luck that prevents scratches on the "sapphire" lens. as you can see in the general chat, people who have cases, people who dont put anything else in their pocket, get the same scratches as people who dont seem to care. and this is a phone i want to use for more than a year?
some of these people are 3 months in and unable to use their camera.
Brava, if you dont use your camera thats fine, but if you do, i would suggest you look at your camera lens and watch it deteriorate without any protection
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People that are having this serious a problem should be contacting Lg about warranty work. Sapphire shouldn't scratch up that easy, that fast under normal use. I have watches that use sapphire and the only thing not scratched to hell is the sapphire.

Yeah... I might contact LG, but I've already had Verizon replace my phone (the original one in that thread) due to the scratches... New one began doing it as well, after the first time or two I wiped it off with the underside of my shirt. I ended up using a part of my left over zeiss pure crystal screen protector and custom cut out a small piece and put it on my camera lens... Works pretty good. Oh, it doesn't scratch nearly as easily as the lens did... I've had it on for a couple of weeks now and hardly any scratching. Check out the attached photo... May hinder photo quality some, but it's not much.

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Yeah... I might contact LG, but I've already had Verizon replace my phone (the original one in that thread) due to the scratches... New one began doing it as well, after the first time or two I wiped it off with the underside of my shirt. I ended up using a part of my left over zeiss pure crystal screen protector and custom cut out a small piece and put it on my camera lens... Works pretty good. Oh, it doesn't scratch nearly as easily as the lens did... I've had it on for a couple of weeks now and hardly any scratching. Check out the attached photo... May hinder photo quality some, but it's not much.
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It's my guess that majority of the scratches are caused by fingers, when there is a dust or debris on the lens, user mistakenly puts his/her finger on the lens trying to use the controls. I am also planning to use invisible tape on camera lens, when it is pressed against glass, it usually turns invisible, I think that might work. I can just remove and toss it when I need to use the camera, and when I am home I can just apply it again.
When I first saw LG G2 on it's release day in the store, I seriously thought those rear buttons were sliding camera cover, I thought to myself, what a great idea to protect the lens, then I realized they were buttons when I handled the phone and I could not find any buttons on the side (I initially thought there were touch sensitive sliding rocker/buttons on the side)

I took the old screen protector that was part of the packaging and cut a piece to cover the camera lens. :silly:
I haven't compared pictures, but I haven't noticed loss of quality or adverse effects for the auto-focus.
hydeah said:
When I first saw LG G2 on it's release day in the store, I seriously thought those rear buttons were sliding camera cover, I thought to myself, what a great idea to protect the lens, then I realized they were buttons when I handled the phone and I could not find any buttons on the side (I initially thought there were touch sensitive sliding rocker/buttons on the side)
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My old Sony Ericsson had a sliding camera cover, that thing was awesome. You never have to worry about finger prints or scratching the camera.
Not to mention it also worked as a shortcut for the camera app like the volume down button on the G2.

yyz123 said:
I took the old screen protector that was part of the packaging and cut a piece to cover the camera lens. :silly:
I haven't compared pictures, but I haven't noticed loss of quality or adverse effects for the auto-focus.
My old Sony Ericsson had a sliding camera cover, that thing was awesome. You never have to worry about finger prints or scratching the camera.
Not to mention it also worked as a shortcut for the camera app like the volume down button on the G2.
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Brilliant idea, sir. :good: I should have kept it clean when I took it off instead of just tossing it away. I still have two more screen protectors, and a set from an old phone, I think I am going to do that! Just cut it in the shape of the lens, odd shape but it should be OK. Maybe I can find 1:1 pdf of the back of the G2 and use that as template. Hey, maybe we should start selling them, I am sure people will buy a screen protector bundle that comes with a small piece for the camera over the ones that don't!
And I totally miss those old days when things were more functional. I can see some manufacturer (mostly Apple does this) recycle this idea and pass it as the "next great innovation"

hydeah said:
Brilliant idea, sir. :good: I should have kept it clean when I took it off instead of just tossing it away. I still have two more screen protectors, and a set from an old phone, I think I am going to do that! Just cut it in the shape of the lens, odd shape but it should be OK. Maybe I can find 1:1 pdf of the back of the G2 and use that as template. Hey, maybe we should start selling them, I am sure people will buy a screen protector bundle that comes with a small piece for the camera over the ones that don't!
And I totally miss those old days when things were more functional. I can see some manufacturer (mostly Apple does this) recycle this idea and pass it as the "next great innovation"
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Haha, maybe. I don't know why more companies don't make protectors for the camera lenses on phones. It's probably even more important to protect them since they'll affect quality of pictures whereas a scratch (on a relative scratch proof gorilla glass) screen is more of an aesthetic annoyance.
I do miss the "mechanical feel" of the slider for my camera. It was fun just to play around and use the camera in that regards. I remember my criteria in selecting a cellphone was that it should be a flip phone. Might seem cheesy to some people nowadays but the feeling is much different maybe like how some people prefer physical keyboards on phones. Objects around us are becoming increasingly numb-feeling. I guess that's one of the reasons I really enjoy my mechanical watch. Might not have the accuracy of an atomic watch but it's pleasing to look at.

yyz123 said:
Haha, maybe. I don't know why more companies don't make protectors for the camera lenses on phones. It's probably even more important to protect them since they'll affect quality of pictures whereas a scratch (on a relative scratch proof gorilla glass) screen is more of an aesthetic annoyance.
I do miss the "mechanical feel" of the slider for my camera. It was fun just to play around and use the camera in that regards. I remember my criteria in selecting a cellphone was that it should be a flip phone. Might seem cheesy to some people nowadays but the feeling is much different maybe like how some people prefer physical keyboards on phones. Objects around us are becoming increasingly numb-feeling. I guess that's one of the reasons I really enjoy my mechanical watch. Might not have the accuracy of an atomic watch but it's pleasing to look at.
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Rip the brand name and different colors/shades on pretty much all phones nowadays, most people can't tell one from another anymore, except Blackberry Q10. Not much originality anymore, I loved the idea of buttons on the back, and I went for it, now I find myself knocking on my wife's older LG phone, just like I found myself swiping up on all other phones when I used Z10 for 2 weeks. Originality is slowly dying not because it is a bad idea but because of all the people out there expecting things to be certain way, and to think that cellphones took this form just in last 5-6 years, I say we all got used to this way to quickly. Think about the criticism G2 received even before it was released "no way, buttons on the back, LG has lost its mind", then "Wow, I find it very easy to use and more ergonomic than trying to reach for the buttons on one sides"

hydeah said:
Rip the brand name and different colors/shades on pretty much all phones nowadays, most people can't tell one from another anymore, except Blackberry Q10. Not much originality anymore, I loved the idea of buttons on the back, and I went for it, now I find myself knocking on my wife's older LG phone, just like I found myself swiping up on all other phones when I used Z10 for 2 weeks. Originality is slowly dying not because it is a bad idea but because of all the people out there expecting things to be certain way, and to think that cellphones took this form just in last 5-6 years, I say we all got used to this way to quickly. Think about the criticism G2 received even before it was released "no way, buttons on the back, LG has lost its mind", then "Wow, I find it very easy to use and more ergonomic than trying to reach for the buttons on one sides"
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Yea, it's crazy how phones (smart phones anyways) basically "standardized" over the past 5 years.
When I saw the rear buttons on the G2 before it was released, I knew it would be a great location. Bought the phone without even running by a demo and it was exactly as I expected.
The button placement works well even though many people thought otherwise.

I am confused are these scratches coming from shipment or just crap in peoples pocket

Cracks

I thought I had a very fine barely noticeable scratch both on the front and back glass. There is nothing in my pocket or where I place my phone usually that would scratch it(plus isn't it gorilla glass 5?).
Anyway, now I look at the back and that very fine scratch has expanded... GREAT, it's not a scratch but a crack. The front is staying put but the back crack is spreading and now split off to form another one. It is very tiny and you have to angle the phone to see it.
This phone has never been dropped. I don't put it in my back pocket. Nothing has ever been placed or dropped on top of it. WTF?
Anyone else have this problem. I doubt this is covered under warranty. I am so pissed. My last couple phones have been disasters. I need to stop buying phones right after they come out... (all though that might not help as the nexus 6p I had didn't have problems for a year. argh! why do phones suck these days)

It sounds like a manufacturer defect. And that's difficult because you have to prove that. Perhaps you can just go into wherever you got it or to a carrier store and talk to them and explain. They might be cool with replacing it.
I've read a lot of posts around talking about how this phone scratches easily. It's actually got me considering putting on a screen protector and I've never done that before.

Could the crack possibly be due to heat causing the expansion of the glass? I'm thinking perhaps the gap everyone talks about on the note 3 note 4 etc models is for that reason. To allow the glass some space when it gets hot.
Just my thoughts.
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Could the crack possibly be due to heat causing the expansion of the glass? I'm thinking perhaps the gap everyone talks about on the note 3 note 4 etc models is for that reason. To allow the glass some space when it gets hot.
Just my thoughts.
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I have the light leak along the sides, but it is not caused by a gap in the glass. It's the black along the edges of the screen not being all the way to the very bottom.

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I thought I had a very fine barely noticeable scratch both on the front and back glass. There is nothing in my pocket or where I place my phone usually that would scratch it(plus isn't it gorilla glass 5?).
Anyway, now I look at the back and that very fine scratch has expanded... GREAT, it's not a scratch but a crack. The front is staying put but the back crack is spreading and now split off to form another one. It is very tiny and you have to angle the phone to see it.
This phone has never been dropped. I don't put it in my back pocket. Nothing has ever been placed or dropped on top of it. WTF?
Anyone else have this problem. I doubt this is covered under warranty. I am so pissed. My last couple phones have been disasters. I need to stop buying phones right after they come out... (all though that might not help as the nexus 6p I had didn't have problems for a year. argh! why do phones suck these days)
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I have yet to join an XDA forum regarding all the mobiles I have owned in recent years and not found one of these threads.
Some peers actually claim to have had their screen crack overnight while on the bed side table? And so it goes on. Its a mystery?
I have seen an 18" dia ships porthole 1.5" thick get dropped and not break yet overnight while standing in a wooden jig they have broken! Glass is an inherently odd material and I have no idea what you are going to do to resolve this situation? This phenomena can happen but its generally owners who, either known or unkown, break the glass.
Where is the crack? Can you possibly post a photo? This would be invaluable to asses what may have accurd.
This could be difficult for you to resolve. Have you insured it?
Ryland

I noticed I have a crack on the back as well. Been in a case since I got it and no drops, but still a crack. Don't know how it got there, but at least I can't see it
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I was on the Verizon support site tonight. There are a small number of people there who are complaining about this exact thing.