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So when is netflix comin to Android? I mean its been months since the dumb post that they put on there blog. Early next year they said. Well that time is now and I'm still waiting. Now I have read all the comments left on that blog. Many sayin how the dmr can't be the problem that that is to easy of a problem to be the reason Android is left in the dust with movie streaming. And then I read post sayin that that is a huge problem and will take a long time to get worked out. Now I don't know any thing about dmr and programming so I don't know who to take sides with. But my real beef now with netflix is that its early next year and thet can't give us not 1 update. Most of the comments on the blog where customers just asking for a update. All we want is to not be left in the dark. And if netflix can't take the time to give us a stupid little update to show us that you do care about the people that pay for your BMW. That's jacked up. And they say that only newer phones will be compatible but by the time the app comes out our new phones are going to be outdated. It just the fact that netflix can't take the time to inform and reassure it customers is retarded and I am strongly considering leaving for that reason. Shoot I can watch about anything I want on Justin tv.
But dose any one other than me care or feel bothered by this?
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that was one of the reasons i sold my android phone(there were other reasons too)
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So when is netflix comin to Android? I mean its been months since the dumb post that they put on there blog. Early next year they said. Well that time is now and I'm still waiting. Now I have read all the comments left on that blog. Many sayin how the dmr can't be the problem that that is to easy of a problem to be the reason Android is left in the dust with movie streaming. And then I read post sayin that that is a huge problem and will take a long time to get worked out. Now I don't know any thing about dmr and programming so I don't know who to take sides with. But my real beef now with netflix is that its early next year and thet can't give us not 1 update. Most of the comments on the blog where customers just asking for a update. All we want is to not be left in the dark. And if netflix can't take the time to give us a stupid little update to show us that you do care about the people that pay for your BMW. That's jacked up. And they say that only newer phones will be compatible but by the time the app comes out our new phones are going to be outdated. It just the fact that netflix can't take the time to inform and reassure it customers is retarded and I am strongly considering leaving for that reason. Shoot I can watch about anything I want on Justin tv.
But dose any one other than me care or feel bothered by this?
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it's all about the security, or lack there of on android. Netflix has to appease the movie companies that they have agreements with.
Exactly, in fact - I will go a step further and say that it seems very unlikely that it'll happen any time in the foreseeable future. The fact is, movie studios are very picky about content security *and* they are hesitant about mobile devices in general. A very open mobile platform with a large development community is not something the movie studios are likely to be huge fans of.
The only exception I could see is certain phones that are heavily customized such as HTCs and Samsungs getting Netflix as part of their custom software. And that would be a ways down the road. Yay for platform fragmentation. It's the double-edged sword of such an open platform. Open platforms get fragmented. Look at Linux itself on the desktop - fragmented beyond all belief. Which isn't necessarily bad. It's both it's best trait and it's worst.
netflix on android
Does any one know any type of hack or backwards way to view instant watch movies?
Likely not going to happen with the poor security.
I for one being a netflix user would love to see this app come to android. It would be one more reason to upgrade to a 4G phone.
I want netflix now
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i go with the others, Netflix will never be on Android.. i would like it to be, but.. it won't. i think Verizon has something similar to it now? i may be mistaken though
That would be cool.
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Ys if iphone 4g can have it android should!
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I feel like since Netflix has a five or six device cap as it is they should be able to detect if your account is using an android device and only allow one or two of those to be designated devices.
Netflix on android would be awesome
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I like using netflix on my old iphone 2g, but my evo has a 4.3 inch screen that just seems wasted unless I watch some netflix on it...
yeh it might take awhile before android gets netfllex.
Rumours are going on that Netflix is coming for android soon
I guess its good its now 'legal' to unlock our phones but not the tablets?
Congress making laws of nothing they know about... sounds sorta familiar..
How will this effect the xda community if at all?
Under cover cops trolling xda? haha
How will it even be enforced?
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...ed-phone-unlocks-will-be-a-thing-of-the-past/
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Reading that made my brain hurt and one more reason to add to my mile long list I made a while back of why I will never buy anything but a Nexus again. (The Galaxy Tab was my last foray into getting robbed)
Yeah, good luck with them catching anyone unlocking their tablets unless they are on a data plan.
And since I can make phone calls with my N7, is it technically a phone????
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Good luck policing this one unless they start shipping them from the factory unable to unlock. Seriously these lawmakers can go eat a d1ck, all this bs they are doing is just in the name of money.
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Also wtf, " For example, an ebook reading device might be considered a “tablet,” as might a handheld video game device or a laptop computer." Can you be more broad when it comes to description? I guess you can't because then you would be Apple. :silly:
If a tablet has a 3g modem is it a phone then or a tablet? Have fun trying to classify these things, especially when tablets are just blown up phones with or without the modem. Our government is morons.
Google allows the unlocking of their devices, so you have nothing to worry about as long as you buy nexus. Even if you don't buy a nexus device, I don't see how the law could be properly enforced. I wouldn't worry.
I'll do what I want.
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Google allows the unlocking of their devices, so you have nothing to worry about as long as you buy nexus. Even if you don't but a nexus device, I don't see how the law could be properly enforced. I wouldn't worry.
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doesn't even have to be a nexus device, any android device is safe since it's open source from Google.
Plus unlike Apple, don't see Google suing anyone for unlocking or rooting their os.
Google allows us to unlock...pretty darn easily actually.
What's gonna happen when root methods are provided outside the US?
IMO the whole thing is stupid. I have paid for ALL my apps, and I refuse to use ANY Android device without root access. So why am I being punished?
I HATE ADS, and have no problem paying for apps to not have ads. However if a paid version isn't available, then I still want my ads blocked...
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doesn't even have to be a nexus device, any android device is safe since it's open source from Google.
Plus unlike Apple, don't see Google suing anyone for unlocking or rooting their os.
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Google encourages us to play with at least their nexus devices. That was the entire point of having the USB port on the Nexus Q.
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So many bigger issues Congress needs to be worried about than what people are doing with their electronic devices.
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So iphones are allowed to be jailbroken and the main reason users jailbrake them is so they can use pirate apps. Yep this makes sense.....
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Much ado about nothing.
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What's gonna happen when root methods are provided outside the US?
IMO the whole thing is stupid. I have paid for ALL my apps, and I refuse to use ANY Android device without root access. So why am I being punished?
I HATE ADS, and have no problem paying for apps to not have ads. However if a paid version isn't available, then I still want my ads blocked...
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What about apps by developers from countries that don't have the luck to be included in the merchant account list? Their only way to monetize their hard work is ads and using their apps with ads blockers is not fair at all. If you hate ads that much, please stop using the apps that are supported by them.
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ccrows said:
What's gonna happen when root methods are provided outside the US?
IMO the whole thing is stupid. I have paid for ALL my apps, and I refuse to use ANY Android device without root access. So why am I being punished?
I HATE ADS, and have no problem paying for apps to not have ads. However if a paid version isn't available, then I still want my ads blocked...
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I agree with this.
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Yeah, good luck with them catching anyone unlocking their tablets unless they are on a data plan.
And since I can make phone calls with my N7, is it technically a phone????
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Yeah, since my Nexus 7 is wifi only, how does unlocking it violate carrier rights? It's not a phone, it's a wifi tablet. Unlocking and rooting gives me access to all the hardware and features of the software, which I have rights to as the licensee. If they don't want you to have access to the full ability of the OS, they should remove it. If it's there, then it's mine to use per the license.
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So many bigger issues Congress needs to be worried about than what people are doing with their electronic devices.
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Once those in power are ready to take over the world, they'll need more than just gun control laws to round up the masses for reeducation. Phone and tab modification should give them the reason to round up several more million citizens for reeducation.
Worry when the next Android release is called "Soma".
Now were did I place my tinfoil hat again?....
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I guess its good its now 'legal' to unlock our phones but not the tablets?
Congress making laws of nothing they know about... sounds sorta familiar..
How will this effect the xda community if at all?
Under cover cops trolling xda? haha
How will it even be enforced?
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...ed-phone-unlocks-will-be-a-thing-of-the-past/
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I read thru all the below comments.. This new law does not make it legal to unlock your device. It puts the control into the hands of your devices carrier as to rather you can unlock it or not. Now the carriers all just need to do like at&t has been firm on.Just say NO unlocked devices allowed on there Network.. This is a step back word in my opinion. I hear about people all the time jail breaking there i phone or ipad to side load pirated apps. They say i tunes charge to much for them. But the android community STRONGLY screams to everyone to pay the developers for the apps. Android apps are reasonable priced as well. This is due to the developer having more control and giving less money to google.. I think this will be the way into the future.To make devices and phones even more disposable.. I so hope google stands up and puts this crap away.
If xda follows this new law. They will have to take down every hack for every tablet and get permission from phone carriers to post the ability to unlock and root phones on there networks.. NEXUS Phones tied to a carrier follows the same laws .
if i read incorrectly please explain to me..
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I read thru all the below comments.. This new law does not make it legal to unlock your device. It puts the control into the hands of your devices carrier as to rather you can unlock it or not. Now the carriers all just need to do like at&t has been firm on.Just say NO unlocked devices allowed on there Network.. This is a step back word in my opinion. I hear about people all the time jail breaking there i phone or ipad to side load pirated apps. They say i tunes charge to much for them. But the android community STRONGLY screams to everyone to pay the developers for the apps. Android apps are reasonable priced as well. This is due to the developer having more control and giving less money to google.. I think this will be the way into the future.To make devices and phones even more disposable.. I so hope google stands up and puts this crap away.
If xda follows this new law. They will have to take down every hack for every tablet and get permission from phone carriers to post the ability to unlock and root phones on there networks.. NEXUS Phones tied to a carrier follows the same laws .
if i read incorrectly please explain to me..
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Not quite correct. This just means that carrier unlocking is no longer exempted from the DMCA. In other words, OEMs can sue folks that post a narrow scope of exploits. This pretty much is a moot point considering that the only OEM that was doing this was Apple and the Jesus Phone is no longer exclusive to big blue. As there never was an exemption specific to tablets, nothing there has changed. DMCA exemptions are reviewed and revised every three years.
There's a lot of hystronics and FUD going on about this, driven partly by a desire to generate traffic to certain sites I'm sure. In the end, it is just as I said before... much ado about nothing. The sky is not any closer to falling than it was twelve months ago.
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Not quite correct. This just means that carrier unlocking is no longer exempted from the DMCA. In other words, OEMs can sue folks that post a narrow scope of exploits. This pretty much is a moot point considering that the only OEM that was doing this was Apple and the Jesus Phone is no longer exclusive to big blue. As there never was an exemption specific to tablets, nothing there has changed. DMCA exemptions are reviewed and revised every three years.
There's a lot of hystronics and FUD going on about this, driven partly by a desire to generate traffic to certain sites I'm sure. In the end, it is just as I said before... much ado about nothing. The sky is not any closer to falling than it was twelve months ago.
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Amen to that. The panic in threads like this...along with the unfounded rage... is astounding.
I just received an email from Google and hopefully this means the SDK release is on the horizon.
The Chromecast team is hosting a two-day hackathon for developers to test-drive the upcoming release of the Google Cast SDK. Our engineers will be available to share changes from the developer preview, discuss best practices, and answer any questions.
Event Details:
Date: December 7-8, 2013
Location: Googleplex, Mountain View, CA
Registration is a two-step process. Anyone can register, but as we can only accommodate a limited number of attendees, priority will be given to those developers who have experience with the Google Cast Preview SDK. Please sign up before November 25, 2013.
Thanks for your support!
- The Chromecast team
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Engadget just released an article and from what I read we might start seeing some more apps in a month. If you get a chance hop over here
http://feedly.com/k/1aAFkoj
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Huge, many thanks for sharing!!
Yay! Carcast interface prototyping.
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So this probably means no sdk release until at least January.
I am just glad they are moving forward. There has been some negative newbcakes on here stating it will stay like it is. At least there is light at the end of the tunnel.
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I will believe it when I see the first independent app with Chromecast support released and approved by Google...
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I will believe it when I see the first independent app with Chromecast support released and approved by Google...
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I definitely hope to see that happen in the near future! On a related note, any chance of getting BubbleUPnP to work with rooted Chromecast's running KyoCast, since it allows custom server-side white-listing, by @Kyonz?
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I definitely hope to see that happen in the near future! On a related note, any chance of getting BubbleUPnP to work with rooted Chromecast's running KyoCast, since it allows custom server-side white-listing, by @Kyonz?
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I'm waiting to see what is going to happen with that hackathon event, the SDK, whitelisting.
If there's nothing concrete before January, I'll release a version of BubbleUPnP that works with KyoCast.
I know it sounds like an eternity but it is as painful for developers than it is to users (totally left in the dark).
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I'm waiting to see what is going to happen with that hackathon event, the SDK, whitelisting.
If there's nothing concrete before January, I'll release a version of BubbleUPnP that works with KyoCast.
I know it sounds like an eternity but it is as painful for developers than it is to users (totally left in the dark).
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Totally understandable. No rush on your part, I was basically wanting to know your thoughts on it. Thanks for the response!
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Starts today.
Any hope of root on newer CCs once we have the SDK?
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I believe after this hack a thon having root or not might not matter anywho. It might just open the flood gates to a variety of apps. I also read an article that Andy Ruben is heading up a new project to replace Google TV. Google TV has been a fail and I think the chromecast is just the tip of this new project that will come early next year. I will try to find the article. No matter whether you agree or disagree give it till the first of the year and will see a clearer future of the chromecast.
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Just read this on Koushick G+ page this could be something positive already
https://plus.google.com/110558071969009568835/posts/ch57ZKvqpYb
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Haven't seen any news out from the Hackathon yet, maybe they have signed NDA not to mention anything today or during the hackathon.
If anyone spots anything, report back
From I understand, SDK release is the least of the problems. I'm betting most of the people we would want to have access to it do (Like Koush)
it's the Whitelisting that we need to see go away, if that happens the floodgates will open for Chromecast!
I'm hopeful that with the SDK being available they will HAVE to remove the whitelisting so the Devs who have the SDK can test their code.
And in regards to Koush's G+ post about Mirroring, If it's in the AOSP it won't be long before we see Custom Roms implement it even if the Manufacturer doesn't (provided it doesn't require any Kernel rewriting.).
So as far as I'm concerned it's a good day for Chromecast.
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it's the Whitelisting that we need to see go away, if that happens the floodgates will open for Chromecast!
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Yes the whitelisting is the real issue. Unfortunately I think it is going to stay with Google having god powers on who lives and who dies.
Or in short, pulling an Apple.
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Yes the whitelisting is the real issue. Unfortunately I think it is going to stay with Google having god powers on who lives and who dies.
Or in short, pulling an Apple.
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Maybe but I don't see how that is practical from a management POV...Are they going to add every project a Dev (they have given SDK access to) has created to the whitelist so he can test and work?
Seems much easier thing to manage via the Play Store itself or via a Blacklist as opposed to a Whitelist.
Unless the SDK comes with some DevMode unlocker for a unit that bypasses the whitelist it would be impossible to develop apps wouldn't it?
And if they had that in the SDK then you know it wouldn't take long for that to get out to the masses and defeat the whole purpose and plan of the whitelisting.
I agree it might stay for as long as the SDK is Invite only but once it goes public that whitelist kind of has to go away with it.
As I see it the problem won't be google but the content producers/providers refusing to support it the way they avoided support on GoogleTV. (even broke it in some cases)
Where Google may have to Apple us is on Apps that might make those content provider apps work despite their wishes against it.
But still a whitelist isn't manageable to stop that, a Blacklist maybe but not a whitelist.
I think they really don't have a choice. It's got to remain somewhat locked down, otherwise they won't get studio support
Just look at windows media center for example and a counterpart xbmc.. Xbmc will NEVER get full cablecard support because it's open source.
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Reading Koush's thread it sounds like they have that sorted.
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I think they really don't have a choice. It's got to remain somewhat locked down, otherwise they won't get studio support
Just look at windows media center for example and a counterpart xbmc.. Xbmc will NEVER get full cablecard support because it's open source.
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Well that has more to do with the Cable Company contracts with the networks than the Studios truth be told. It does VARY based on the studio however, Some shows the Network has the right to give, other shows (like Sports) they do not.
Thats why some shows are blacked out on those Cable Company Apps and will never be available via the Network provided apps either.
I'm in the TV Business and I can tell you it is a wet mess right now. Has no idea what it wants to be. It wants the extra views because it knows it can hook you into watching the shows you might have missed but it still wants to make money off the Cable companies subscriptions and STILL makes the majority of it's money via Advertisement. None of which is conducive to Net or Streaming.
Truth is they are LESS concerned with you seeing the product (or How) as they are with being able to TRACK how many saw it so they can keep those other business models rolling in dough. If they can track you they can count you as Viewers which brings up the Ad Dollars when it's time to sell.
Seen this on Reddit, works pretty good for MP4 and WebM videos for sites like Vimeo.
https://dabble.me/cast
*I should mention this only works with Chrome at the moment.
I wish there was some way to use this for Amazon Prime video....casting the full tab isn't a great option for me. Of course a mobile app would be the real answer but Amazon just won't do it!
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I wish there was some way to use this for Amazon Prime video....casting the full tab isn't a great option for me. Of course a mobile app would be the real answer but Amazon just won't do it!
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Agree. Amazon Instant Video is pretty much the only thing my TiVos and TV have over Chromecast for my intended use.
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Seen this on Reddit, works pretty good for MP4 and WebM videos for sites like Vimeo.
https://dabble.me/cast
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List of working sites:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Chromecast/comments/1x5ik0/send_vimeo_ted_facebook_etc_from_the_desktop_to/
Creators Twitter:
https://twitter.com/@parterburn
Amazing, youporn works. Thanks!
I wish it would work for watchespn
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I wish it would work for watchespn
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AMEN!! WatchESPN, along with WatchDisney Junior, are the two channels that I have been wanting more than ANY other channel out there! I'm a huge college football fan and although I've got a pretty nice channel lineup and sports package via Charter, there are still games out there that just simply aren't offered around here on Charter. In addition to WatchESPN, I have a 4 yr old son and like how I used to be when I was younger and how most other kids his age are, he LOVES to watch cartoons, especially the likes of Disney Junior, Cartoon Network, Sprout, etc. The WatchDisney Junior channel coming to the Chromecast would just make my (and my son's) day. I think the only thing holding it back is probably having to do something with licensing issues because if you've ever tried to view WatchESPN or WatchDisney on your computer, you must log-in to their service by typing in your cable tv service provider login info before being able to view those channels.
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I think the only thing holding it back is probably having to do something with licensing issues because if you've ever tried to view WatchESPN or WatchDisney on your computer, you must log-in to their service by typing in your cable tv service provider login info before being able to view those channels.
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Likely there would be an app like HBO GO, which requires you to do the provider login on your phone/tablet during setup.
As always, be sure to contact the content provider to request support. Unlikely you'll get a response, but hopefully your vote will be counted.
It works very well for me at this www.mistreci.al with movreel and uptobox thats what i needed
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Likely there would be an app like HBO GO, which requires you to do the provider login on your phone/tablet during setup.
As always, be sure to contact the content provider to request support. Unlikely you'll get a response, but hopefully your vote will be counted.
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I can tell you from my own personal knowledge that many of the content providers who rely on Cable Company Sub payments are very hesitant to release content for use on Big Screens (which CCast support basically is) which could hurt their Subscription fees later on due to the Chord Cutters taking the cheaper route to their content.
One of the Major hold ups with Time Warner and CBS in that last contract battle was over rights to Internet streaming.
Time Warner wanted the rights to them but CBS wanted to hold on to it for further sales to companies like NetFlix and Hulu or even for their own sites (which the three major nets do now) To a OTA broadcaster it's easier to keep their content free because the content has already been paid for via the Advertising and the goal is to hook more viewers to the shows on their Network.
But someone like ESPN, HBO and SHOWTIME, they are highly dependent on Cable Subs and therefore can't just put the content out there so will likely require a Cable Subscription/Login to view because if they did it on their own without such a subscription or tried to do subscriptions on their own it would be cutting off their nose to spite their face plus add the cost of a Subscription support department they have to pay to maintain their own sub service. So those companies are likely to remain a Cable Sub only service.
This is the one thing Chord Cutters will have to deal with, Sure you can get the OTA stuff and some stuff from low rated networks trying to lure people to their content but the stuff you REALLY want will almost always require a Cable Sub to get.
I have been in quite a few meetings where this is discussed and while the greed makes them think about offering their own ala carte subscription model they quickly realize that no one is going to pay as much for HBO on HBO's website as they currently get from the Cable companies themselves.
And if the Cable companies decide they are not worth having on their system anymore these companies like HBO stand to lose their shirts!
So they back down quickly.
Just a quick comment on the Amazon Prime thing....
I think this may be a sign that things between Google and Amazon are not as rosy as they probably should be.
You would think Amazon Prime was all over this from day one but apparently not.
Now that the SDK is public I expect to see something from them in the future.
Good points. It's not easy to understand the policies and actions of all the parties involved unless you know something about the business model from their point of view.
BTW, it's "cord cutters", not "chord cutters", as in cable = cord. Chord usually refers to music or geometry, but in any case nothing to do with this topic.
Re: Amazon - I wonder if they are coming up with a media box solution too. Could explain their reluctance.
WhisperCast?
Of course Canadians ignore them because they offer no media content here. Which is strange as they're selling these walled-garden Amazon tablets with beautiful screens in Canadian stores, and nothing but Netflix & YouTube to watch on them.
You knew it was only a matter of time before someone figured out a way to fill their wallets off users by annoying them to death..
http://bgr.com/2014/02/12/chromecast-ads-coming-soon/
I will copy and paste a reply I left about this on Reddit
I can see it now for apps like Plex when Casting goes free (whenever that happens)
"We will Cast your content right after this short advertisement"
So sick of in app ads, so sick of freemium, so sick of subscription services (ie: PlexPass etc), so sick of pay to win games, so sick of every Android developer (not every, but you get the point) nickel and diming the piss out of users either with ads or micro-transactions. Enough.. Just follow the PC software model that has worked for decades. A set price, minor upgrades are free, major revisions you re-pay. The Android software market is the biggest racket.
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So sick of in app ads, so sick of freemium, so sick of subscription services (ie: PlexPass etc), so sick of pay to win games, so sick of every Android developer (not every, but you get the point) nickel and diming the piss out of users either with ads or micro-transactions. Enough.. Just follow the PC software model that has worked for decades. A set price, minor upgrades are free, major revisions you re-pay. The Android software market is the biggest racket.
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While I agree, the trouble is that video content doesn't really work like software. Every new episode would be a "major" release. It's not like you can release a movie in 2-minute segments. Well, maybe if you're J.J. Abrams...
I don't mind ads as long as I have the option to pay to get rid of them. Even Netflix could opt for a cheaper ad-supported tier if they wanted to.
To be honest, I like apps that are free with ads and paid without as it gives me a way to try the app for a period longer than the Play Store's 15 minutes.
[HOWTO] Chromecast/Netflix outside USA without VPN
Ad Blocking - DD-WRT Wiki
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To be honest, I like apps that are free with ads and paid without as it gives me a way to try the app for a period longer than the Play Store's 15 minutes.
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Or that too.
Brightcove is pretty big VOD provider, but yeah, that would work as long as the stuff you want to watch isn't hosted there.
YouTube could be uber sneaky and host the ads on YouTube itself so then it would be all-or-nothing.
On the plus side, YouTube could become the resurrection of AdCritic. I miss that site...
Talk about a blast from the past. Have you seen -
http://creativity-online.com/
I think everybody is struggling to find ways to make money from this technology. Google doesn't make any money on the hardware, and consumers just don't want to pay much for software (which is why the old PC software business model is gradually failing, and you see even companies like Microsoft going to Office 365-type subscriptions). So the result is they have to find a way to make money from subscriptions, fees, and/or advertising.
Google aren't the only ones considering advertising. Mozilla just announced that they're going to start putting ads in Firefox, inserted in the page of recent sites that appears when you open a new tab.
DJames1 said:
you see even companies like Microsoft going to Office 365-type subscriptions). So the result is they have to find a way to make money from subscriptions, fees, and/or advertising.
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The worst thing I've encountered so far with the subscription model is how it virally forces others to buy in.
Case-in-point, I got an Adobe InDesign file that I needed to look at. Fine, I have InDesign CS6. I load it up, and it tells me I can't open it because it was made in InDesign CS7.5
At least Microsoft has Office viewers. I was stuck with the InDesign thing - either go back and ask for a flattened version or subscribe, luckily I had the opportunity to just ignore it.
Like freedom, free software truly isn't free - at least not as long as people need to eat and pay bills. Renewable energy and homesteading may be the zero-cash way, but then we won't have enough time to code!
Maybe we need to come up with some "business productive" games. People-powered OCR Hangman?
Well I'll repeat something else I said
I'm guilty of being an old timer. I came into Android with 1.5 (CupCake).. The Market and Android community used to be a thriving community of freeware, innovation and great discussion.. I just hate what it turned into. It's like a gold rush and the end user is the gold and everyone is trying to sell you their bridge. I just hate how it got like this. I don't mind paying for stuff but it seem anymore it's a constant and quality has taken a back seat. It's like people stopped doing this for fun and a hobby and started trying to make a business.. Anything that is anything that is in demand someone will find a way to charge you for now a days.
P.S. I don't mind subscription services like Netflix etc. Dumb stuff like Plex Pass is a joke though. You're subbing monthly to unlock in-app features. Doesn't make any sense..
DJames1 said:
I think everybody is struggling to find ways to make money from this technology. Google doesn't make any money on the hardware...
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Do we really know that?
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...tions-despite-strong-nexus-5-chromecast-sales
Biggest seller or a best seller in Q4 2013, depending how you take that article.
The packaging probably costs nearly as much as the product.
True, when it's easy for lots of people to make apps, the market gets crowded and confused.
Doesn't help that the rating system doesn't take into account that people use ratings maliciously to complain or penalize the developer for things often that are user error or out of the dev's control.
PlexPass gives other things like their cloud thing, but yeah, it is kind of "pay to be in the beta club" but hey, if it works for them, funds their continued development, and people are willing to pay, I don't have to like it, but I can't really criticize them either.
And with the $75 PlexPass lifetime, it's the same cost as a mid-range piece of software.
On Google profits, I'm sure Chromecast sold well, we can see from the lack of rootable units on shelves...
Of course they won't tell us how much they're making (or losing) on each sale. I bet most of the profit was Google Play.
I just doubt that they lost any money at $35 a pop - until the accountants got involved, because their job is to cover that up. Not whining or ranting, just stating a known part of the corporate income game.
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I just doubt that they lost any money at $35 a pop - until the accountants got involved, because their job is to cover that up. Not whining or ranting, just stating a known part of the corporate income game.
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True. Especially given the volume they produced at, I'm sure they negotiated some killer discounts with the manufacturers. :good:
bhiga said:
True. Especially given the volume they produced at, I'm sure they negotiated some killer discounts with the manufacturers. :good:
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http://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/7070288
Job's open.
My issue is not with the ads being there, this is a Google device so ads were to be expected be it from Google or someone else. My issue is with it being video ads, my DSL line is shaped during the day and I don't need this hogging the bandwidth preloading videos while I am trying to browse the web. I wish my country would get "first" world in terms of broadband just so this [email protected] stops bugging me...
/fingers crossed Eureka guys ad-block this .
EarlyMon said:
I just doubt that they lost any money at $35 a pop
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I don't think Google is losing money on the Chromecast hardware, at least not deliberately. But I do think they priced it not to make any money on the hardware.
Think about it:
- Google is not a hardware company. They deliberately try to stay out of the hardware business because they realize that the margins are really low. They make their money on fees and services. They only introduce hardware products as an enabler to get new things started.
- They are undercutting everybody else on price to have the cheapest brand-name media streamer. It's in the same price range as the cheapest Chinese no-name Android TV sticks.
- They introduced the Chromecast with an offer for 3 months free Netflix, which is 2 months more than Netflix normally offers. That's a $16 value for which Google undoubtedly compensated Netflix, although probably at a discounted rate. When Chromecast sales took off the first day, Google canceled that offer immediately, indicating both that they had allocated a limited budget for it, and that the price of the Chromecast would not bear it without losing money.
I'm very confused. So someone created a SDK for developers to include ads on Chromecast apps and people here are upset by this? Please tell me why.
We should keep in mind here, it's not Google inserting ads here, it's Brightcove who is enabling developers to insert video ads compatible with Chromecast. As the title of the linked article says, "Third Party Provides Way For Developers To Add Ads To Chromecast"
I doubt Google will see any of this revenue as Brightcove built this technology using the Cast SDK for their engine.
The key part here, and I could be totally off-base, is that it sounds like a library that a developer would add to their app - essentially using Brightcove's "Cast" function and player. That makes sense since Brightcove has an HTML5 player already in use by sites on the web.
For example, instead of developing my own HTML5 page that Chromecast would go to in order to play a video, I would just trigger the Brightcove "Cast" function, passing it the location and my key/ID. Chromecast would then run the Brightcove player app which plays the video content I chose with inserted ads. The fact that it's being advertised as "seamless" tells me the ads are being stitched into the video content and delivered as a single stream, rather than a playlist drawing from separate sources.
Aside from ad revenue, the huge plus for developers here is that Chromecast-enabled apps wouldn't even need to use the Cast SDK directly, because they're using the Brightcove casting engine. That means the specific Chromecast-enabled app wouldn't need to be on the whitelist or register with Google because it's really the Brightcove app that Chromecast is running. Brightcove is responsible for making sure the engine keeps up with Chromecast updates and changes so that's another burden off the developer.
A "no ads" version of an app that uses the Brightcove player may use the same request to Brightcove, just with a flag saying not to insert the ads. The "gotcha" here is that because Brightcove is the player for the video content the app uses, blocking Brightcove or the Brightcove app would block all casted video from the app.
Of course Brightcove probably shares in the ad revenue, so maybe they won't allow developers to use their engine without ads, in which case the theorized advantages to the developer go away for a "no ads" version as they'd still need to register and use the Cast SDK directly.
But likely Brightcove may take the gamble that enough people are cheap and use ad-supported versions that it covers the paid apps that aren't showing ads. Or maybe part of their developer agreement makes the developer pay for non-ad versions somehow. Just theorizing from the business perspective...
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So sick of in app ads, so sick of freemium, so sick of subscription services (ie: PlexPass etc), so sick of pay to win games, so sick of every Android developer (not every, but you get the point) nickel and diming the piss out of users either with ads or micro-transactions. Enough.. Just follow the PC software model that has worked for decades. A set price, minor upgrades are free, major revisions you re-pay. The Android software market is the biggest racket.
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Thank you Sir, these are true words. I agree you to 100%
styckx said:
Just follow the PC software model that has worked for decades.
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The PC software model had very few ongoing costs. You boxed up a CD and after that, the costs you incurred were mostly just support costs. Streaming video is not cheap. If you plan on charging once in a lifetime, then you will be out of business very quickly.
@DJames1 - those are good points, I'd like to counter with what the market will bear.
After the Google TV and Nexus Q flops, I don't think that Chromecast could have done better at a higher price point, even if it started out with more apps and features. I think that they had to plan for this price point and knew that going in.
As for the initial Netflix deal, I don't know if anyone besides the accountants know how that worked. Not a personal criticism, just saying - Netflix has a vested interest in DIAL succeeding. It makes secure delivery easy for them. Their revenue models for this sort of thing aren't trivial, see Roku's license deal for example.
Netflix will give newcomers a free month for watching Philip DeFranco on YouTube.
So between their giveaway budget for promotions, surely compensated in part by the content providers and anything paid back by Google in the form of free advertising, I think that entire initial allocation for Netflix with Google was all virtual money, if such a thing exists. Iow, lots of return on investment on both sides but actual investment costs in real dollars - closer to zero.
@bhiga - agree. This reminds me of the AirPush SDK, and quite a few others who seek out devs with revenue schemes.