Nexus 4 processor VS Moto X processor - Nexus 4 General

Hello guys,
in several sites I see people talking about the Moto X, many classify it as a octa-core smartphone (dual-core 1.7ghz Krait processor + single-core contextual computing + single-core natural language processor + quad-core Adreno 320 GPU).
Anyway... below is a link to a document which (as I understand it) itself Qualcomm explains that Adreno 320 of our N4 is also quad-core, in other words the N4 can also be considered a octa-core smartphone (of this view point).
I am raising this topic, due to the fact that the launch of the Moto X generated a great noise, which in my humble opinion is exaggerated due to the fact that it does not innovated much. And of course it has come with a price quite salty for your hardware configuration.
Link: http://www.qualcomm.com/media/releases/2011/02/14/qualcomm-announces-next-generation-snapdragon-mobile-chipset-family
If anyone has interest in manifest, feel free!

The Moto X does innovate, but not within the geeks and processor whores...
It inovates in having the always "on" mic dedicated chip, the Moto Maker, the active notifications...
In many times innovation does not come in form of faster processors...

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2021559
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The moto x would have been a great phone at a nexus price. The screen is the densest non-pentile AMOLED screen out there that I'm aware of. But the price is how it generated all that hype, the price rumors buoyed everything else. By the time the real price surfaced, there were already a bunch of low information followers in the mass market who were fascinated by the colors and motomaker, and didn't know much else. That's where the x8 branding came in handy, making it seem to these folks like a higher end device. It's not bad, those two cpu cores are krait 300 while our 4 are krait 200. Unless you're using some form of windowed or multiscreen (doing one thing on phone while streaming another to HDTV) multitasking, it's probably a wash between the two.
All things being equal, I'd rather have the moto x. At more than double the price (16gb n4 $250 vs 16gb Moto x $575), all things are definitely not equal.

This is exactly why I am a huge fan of AMOLED and I'm extremely surprised it's not being capitalized on more.
We don't need the pixel density all the time. We don't need the entire 4.7" screen all the time. With amoled, we could potentially see huge battery savings. I wouldn't mind texting in half-res.

ziddey said:
This is exactly why I am a huge fan of AMOLED and I'm extremely surprised it's not being capitalized on more.
We don't need the pixel density all the time. We don't need the entire 4.7" screen all the time. With amoled, we could potentially see huge battery savings. I wouldn't mind texting in half-res.
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AMOLED screens have a very high change of screen burn. And it tends to deteriorate faster. Also the colours are too saturated for my taste. But can't argue with the battery saving part of it. Anyway I would prefer a IPS screen anyday.

sandy-achar said:
AMOLED screens have a very high change of screen burn. And it tends to deteriorate faster. Also the colours are too saturated for my taste. But can't argue with the battery saving part of it. Anyway I would prefer a IPS screen anyday.
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This.

sandy-achar said:
AMOLED screens have a very high change of screen burn. And it tends to deteriorate faster. Also the colours are too saturated for my taste. But can't argue with the battery saving part of it. Anyway I would prefer a IPS screen anyday.
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I'd like AMOLED just for battery saving, but I definitely prefer IPS too

Amoled screens really are very saturated, colors like yellow and gray often appear greenish/orange, whatever.
I think the IPS screens are closer to reality, though when you have the brightness at maximum, are desaturated.

I had a couple devices with amoled. I definitely don't think there's any battery savings with those panels
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Smallsmx3 said:
I had a couple devices with amoled. I definitely don't think there's any battery savings with those panels
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Right, in current usages, there really isn't. The "best" that has been done to accomodate them was the dark status bar / theme starting in Gingerbread. Otherwise, bright/colorful images will actually consume more than a traditional LCD backlight.
What I would like to see are reduced usage modes-- by effectively lowering the pixel density / resolution, say by disabling every other set of RGB, power consumption could effectively be halved. I would have no problem with say a green-only half-res mode for texting.
I guess though the issue is "how often am I texting" vs "how often am I doing something else that would benefit from a full-fledged display"
I could imagine a power-saving e-reader mode being useful...

Counting GPU cores is nonsense. The moto x is a dual core and the nexus 4 is a quad. Period end of story.
And Samsung's PR strikes again. Amoled screens don't save power.

albundy2010 said:
Counting GPU cores is nonsense. The moto x is a dual core and the nexus 4 is a quad. Period end of story.
And Samsung's PR strikes again. Amoled screens don't save power.
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I do like the wide viewing angle, super deep black, and wide color gamut though (just need to be calibrated correctly like a wide gamut monitor). I agree I don't see a difference in battery life.
I avoid Motorola for their locked bootloader and poor updates though.

eksasol said:
I avoid Motorola for their locked bootloader and poor updates though.
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This is what kept me away from the Moto X and when the N4 price dropped to $199 it was a no brainer.
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eksasol said:
I avoid Motorola for their locked bootloader and poor updates though.
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N4 gonna be my first non Motorola Phone. #LetTheModdingBegin

TreatnHerRight said:
N4 gonna be my first non Motorola Phone. #LetTheModdingBegin
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You've been depriving yourself. I like their build quality and battery life (from what I hear), but I refuse to get a phone that's almost guaranteed to never have the bootloader unlocked.
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But the Moto X has a locked bootloader?!

albundy2010 said:
Counting GPU cores is nonsense. The moto x is a dual core and the nexus 4 is a quad. Period end of story.
And Samsung's PR strikes again. Amoled screens don't save power.
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But, but the Tegra 4 has 72 GPU cores so it's better than everything, even a single core titan.
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Ace42 said:
But, but the Tegra 4 has 72 GPU cores so it's better than everything, even a single core titan.
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Actually Titan has 2688 CUDA cores btw...

Xmaster8 said:
Actually Titan has 2688 CUDA cores btw...
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Owned!
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nexus 5 megladon new info.exciting

One of first with snapdragon 800 which the 600 is a whopping 40% faster than our speed leading s4pro.wow. a 16...yes 16 mp camera thats a NIKION!! WOW #2 first phone with ultra hd which is 4 k.insane. and my fav part which ive been waiting for an Oled screen not a boring lcd.woohoo.im so geeked. What about you?
Where did they show that?
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Will of fire said:
Where did they show that?
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They didn't, its a rumor (hopefully a true one lol)
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Noone will put a 4k display to 5" phone, thats plain stupid so this one you may drop.
Snapdragon 800 will be more likely used in tablets, so i also dont expect it to be in next Nexus device , it will most probably will be SD600 like in other top models this year.
Ill bet for 1080P , 5" screen (which is also useless in phone, but everyone got it so Google will also). 2GB of ram (who needs more in a phone?)
No sdcard slot, no removable battery - standard in google phones.
the most major change will be the OS, KLP will most probably be pushed to phones after I/O.
Adam
AdamLange said:
Noone will put a 4k display to 5" phone, thats plain stupid so this one you may drop.
Snapdragon 800 will be more likely used in tablets, so i also dont expect it to be in next Nexus device , it will most probably will be SD600 like in other top models this year.
Ill bet for 1080P , 5" screen (which is also useless in phone, but everyone got it so Google will also). 2GB of ram (who needs more in a phone?)
No sdcard slot, no removable battery - standard in google phones.
the most major change will be the OS, KLP will most probably be pushed to phones after I/O.
Adam
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I think its 4k video recording not screen resolution
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Will of fire said:
Where did they show that?
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One of quite a few places. http://www.gottabemobile.com/2013/03/18/lg-megalodon-nexus-5-to-boast-4k-ultra-hd-video-recording/
subxero123 said:
I think its 4k video recording not screen resolution
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Of course, thats why its called ultra hd. Dont how i did but sorry if my comment came of meaning screen resolution. Lol
AdamLange said:
Noone will put a 4k display to 5" phone, thats plain stupid so this one you may drop.
Snapdragon 800 will be more likely used in tablets, so i also dont expect it to be in next Nexus device , it will most probably will be SD600 like in other top models this year.
Ill bet for 1080P , 5" screen (which is also useless in phone, but everyone got it so Google will also). 2GB of ram (who needs more in a phone?)
No sdcard slot, no removable battery - standard in google phones.
the most major change will be the OS, KLP will most probably be pushed to phones after I/O.
Adam
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4k refers to video its called ultra hd.wow . also....it seems(could of course be wrong) like you dissing or dissmising nexuses?! First are you forgeting price??!! Way below norm.people are and will eventually flock once out of a contract fir a 249$ phone. Second nexus strives now(not the gnex albeit a good phone) to be the top o line device. My lgog which is the n4 brother destroyed the Samsung Galaxy s3 in the way many ways including speed. The lgog is the top scorer stock on quadrant. Yes i know its not everyday use im just making a point. I have contacts at lg(a cousin who is a dev) and all these specs are being seriously considered.(blueprint will be at fed communication soon) and the almost for sure one is the snapdragon 800. So your guess is flawed. Sorry
God I hope the next Nexus isn't amoled. After a year of using the galaxy nexus I was tired of the griany screen and riduclous inaccurate colors. Please use the screen technology from the HTC One!
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God I hope the next Nexus isn't amoled. After a year of using the galaxy nexus I was tired of the griany screen and riduclous inaccurate colors. Please use the screen technology from the HTC One!
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Agreed, I hate oled screens especially with screen burn in on soft keys ugh
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everything sounds great, except the 16mp camera. come on, who the hell needs more megapixels?? we need quality not quantity... time to follow htc's path with the ultrapixel technology. and one other wish: good battery!! it's the biggest problem of smartphones nowadays, especially nexus phones. i have nothing else to wish for. i don't need bigger screen or resolution, better CPU, nor more ram.
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everything sounds great, except the 16mp camera. come on, who the hell needs more megapixels?? we need quality not quantity... time to follow htc's path with the ultrapixel technology. and one other wish: good battery!! it's the biggest problem of smartphones nowadays, especially nexus phones. i have nothing else to wish for. i don't need bigger screen or resolution, better CPU, nor more ram.
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agreed, need to follow HTC's path with ultrapixel camera, looks freaking amazing!
..>Wondering why some lame rumour about a unrelated phone is in the Nexus 4 section....
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Question about hardware (calling all owners)

How good/bad is the screen on the phone? The 1 thing holding me back from purchasing this phone is the 720p screen, I think everything else about the phone is near perfect (except the processor). If this phone came with a 1080p screen I would have already preordered being the pixel junkie that I am.
I left AT&T recently and went to Verizon and though I upgraded in service quality I downgraded in phone choices by a ton. Basically the only phones I will have to choose from are, the HTC One, Moto X, iPhone 5s or the Note 3.
I am looking for advice, as you can see by my signature I've owned tons of phones this year and I cant seem to find a phone that fits me as good as this iPhone does at this point. The Nexus 4 was close but AT&T is just bad so it ruined the whole experience. I believe the Moto X might be the best opportunity I have on Verizon for a phone with a bigger screen but with a small footprint and nearly stock android. On the other hand the HTC One with 4.2.2 on Verizon might be great and the Note 3 could be a tech nerds (myself) dream with its specifications.
I think with the 720vs1080 is just that. NUMBERS. I don't think on that screen size unless your LOOKING for a problem you won't see a noticeable difference to the naked eye.
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Just a numbers game. Watch any of the demo videos posted by blogs that reviewed the MotoX and the screen is beautiful during normal use. You aren't going notice the difference unless you place a 1080p screen next to the 720p and stare at the screens for a long time.
Just number game too here ... really like the quality of the screen... have used an s4 and prefer my moto x and the thin sensation of the phone... Ok google now is excellent ( and really work great in french language ... )
Go play with the droid Maxx and the gs4 at the store you will see the difference. None that the eye can see!!
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I switched from 4S to HTC one love it, and the viper Rom just pushes it over the edge with great battery life.
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Comparing to my N4, there is no difference in quality.
Bought my Moto X today after loving my LG Optimus Pro. I'm surprised by the screen quality. The 720 is much better than expected. Smaller screen so it appears to look good. The LG and HTC screens at 1080 are still nicer overall but don't let the 720 dissuade you. This is a great phone. The camera may be the only weakness. This phone is as quick as my LG Optimus Pro with a 600 Snapdragon chip.
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It's not a bad display, it's definitely worse than the One and the S4.
I thought the 720p screen was going to be horrendous compare to my galaxy s4's gorgeous 1080p screen but the screen quality actually surprised me. Its not like the droid razr's screens of the past. Without the s4 in front of you, you won't be able to tell without looking for the imperfection.
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I'd wait for the iPhone 5s announcement with iOS 7. Its going to make the iPhone look brand new again. On top of that I think once they release the official iOS 7 I think its already jailbreak able from what I've seen. I came from an iPhone too I miss alot of the features but hard yo give up my s4 just for an iPhone 5 maybe a 5s
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I went to the store today to play with one in person and I had my HTC one with me for comparison. I had originally thing that the ppi of Moto X is high enough anyway, but I can definitely see the pixels on smaller fonts on the X, unless somehow the font is optimized on the one.
The white on the X is also considerably more yellow than on the one, maybe it could be calibrated in software, but with the one next to it in similar brightness, the display of the X looks dull in color and pixelated compared to the one. And the text is not as sharp. Being Chinese, the fine details on the Chinese character is very important, and the bolded Chinese font that still looks great on the one was very disappointing to see on the X.
For anyone interested, go to http://tw.news.yahoo.com and make sure to request the desktop version. It is a pretty standard Chinese site that I use to check text readability.
For me the biggest benefit with a 1080 screen is if you are going to connect it to a 1080 tv or external display a lot, then you get correct pixel mapping. When I connect my sgs3 to a tv I only get a 720p signal.
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I like it...
I think the screen is pretty nice, not the best. But battery life is pretty stellar so far. Its VERY snappy too. Features rock and are really appreciated as light over stock. Feels premium in the hand too. Overall I am impressed but will likely sell it for a Nexus in December anyway...gotta have my klp fix.
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I'm happy with it, its not my 2013 nexus 7, but its pretty good. Its worth noting that they went with rbg instead of pentile so it looks better than other 720p screens I've used.
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inseconds99 said:
How good/bad is the screen on the phone? The 1 thing holding me back from purchasing this phone is the 720p screen, I think everything else about the phone is near perfect (except the processor). If this phone came with a 1080p screen I would have already preordered being the pixel junkie that I am.
I left AT&T recently and went to Verizon and though I upgraded in service quality I downgraded in phone choices by a ton. Basically the only phones I will have to choose from are, the HTC One, Moto X, iPhone 5s or the Note 3.
I am looking for advice, as you can see by my signature I've owned tons of phones this year and I cant seem to find a phone that fits me as good as this iPhone does at this point. The Nexus 4 was close but AT&T is just bad so it ruined the whole experience. I believe the Moto X might be the best opportunity I have on Verizon for a phone with a bigger screen but with a small footprint and nearly stock android. On the other hand the HTC One with 4.2.2 on Verizon might be great and the Note 3 could be a tech nerds (myself) dream with its specifications.
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1. the processor is not something to hate on. there are technically 8 cores in this phone. the main processor is dual-core but NOT last years model. this will save you battery as well as eliminate useless hardware that only takes up resources. quad core processing is a joke for mobile phones, especially when almost zero apps make use of anything more than two cores.
2. to complain about an HD resolution on a 4.7inch screen not being HD enough is petty and ridiculous. 720p or 1080p is no where near anything to complain about
3. the iphone doesnt have quad core. the iphone doesnt have 1080p. it doesnt even have 720p. how does it fit you more than the moto x?
this is the problem. people are way too concerned with over-hyped useless hardware specs and no one cares for how the hardware and software play together. the user experience is the reason the iphone was the best selling phone year after year. now with android, people rather show off a useless 8core processor instead of a finely tuned dual core that works much smoother. the moto x is attempting to fix what samsung destroyed.
I love it. Despite being 720 I can't tell. The colors are very vibrant and the only way you can see a pixel on it is if you put your eye right on it but you shouldnt be doing that so you should be fine
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I also have the iphone 5/4S/N4/S3/S2. It really depends. Screen resolution doesn't matter as much as screen quality IMO. Things like contrast and color reproduction are more important once you get into the 720p+ realm.
Basically it's a choice between:
AMOLED Variations (Moto X, Note 3, most Samsung) = best contrast, second best colors, best viewing angles
IPS (Iphone 5, HTC One, N4 etc) = second best contrast, best colors, second best viewing angles
TFT screens (TV's, most low end phones, some mid range) = worst contrast, worst colors, worst viewing angles
I personally missed the insane contrast levels when I used IPS screens, I'm a sucker for DEEP blacks for my themes/setup.
The screen quality for a 720p AMOLED screen is flawless on my sample. No dead pixels, perfect uniformity, zero backlight bleed (unlike S2, S3 which do have backlight bleed when you set an all black image and go in a dark room, you can still see the screen. On Moto X the phone dissapears in those same conditions)
A perfect screen for me would be Moto X screen with iphone 4s digitizer lol. The digitizer in the iphone 5 was pretty bad. Hardly registered my taps near the edge of the screen.
Thanks for all the replies, I decided against the Moto X, I played with it in the store and it had a similar look and feel to the Nexus 4 (which I had anticipated). I am going to wait out the Sony Honami (I REALLY REALLY WANT THIS PHONE) and the Note 3 seeing as how IFA is a week away. If I'm disappointed, I will go out an purchase the iPhone 5s and wait to see what the new Nexus brings.
I know the new Nexus won't be coming for Verizon, so I might have to try T-Mobile out if anything because AT&T is terrible in my area.
Thanks

Nexus 8 with Intel 2.3 ghz CPU?

Has anyone heard about this rumor before? Intel entering into the mobile market with a non-ARM cpu? Am I reading this correctly, its possibly four times the performance of a Snapdragon 800 CPU, and 64bit to boot?
http://www.examiner.com/article/nexus-8-tablet-could-debut-intel-64-bit-processor-for-android
SkOrPn said:
Has anyone heard about this rumor before? Intel entering into the mobile market with a non-ARM cpu? Am I reading this correctly, its possibly four times the performance of a Snapdragon 800 CPU, and 64bit to boot?
http://www.examiner.com/article/nexus-8-tablet-could-debut-intel-64-bit-processor-for-android
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Damnit, just when I "find" a procesor I can trust (LG G2's Snap 800 is awesome), the next Nexus tablet might not use it.
I guess if this is true, I'll be holding off for a while after it intros to upgrade from my 2012 to the new one.
khaytsus said:
Damnit, just when I "find" a procesor I can trust (LG G2's Snap 800 is awesome), the next Nexus tablet might not use it.
I guess if this is true, I'll be holding off for a while after it intros to upgrade from my 2012 to the new one.
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LOL, Yeah I agree... All of a sudden my decision not to upgrade to the 2013 N7 seems like was perfectly warranted. WOW, kinda hard to wrap my head around 4 times the performance. Lets hope its not at the cost of 4 times the power consumption, hahaha. Even with a bigger battery it might get to warm to carry around without using it outdoors in a stiff wind. lol
Seems like a kinda far-fetched rumor.
Hummmmmm Really????
Tuberomix said:
Seems like a kinda far-fetched rumor.
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I was thinking the same thing.. But it was 70 two days ago then the next day 12 deg with 2 inches of snow ..
Nothing Surprises me anymore.
Intel has already announced the CPU family weeks ago, and it is no longer a rumor. They have one called the Merrifield Z3480, which is a dual-core and runs at 2.13 Ghz, and another Called Moorefield Z3580, which is Quad-core and runs at 2.35 ghz. Both are native 64bit processor SoC's and combine many of the devices needed to perform mobile functions.
Here’s a look at the Intel Z3480 Merrifield SoC:
2.13 GHz dual-core 64-bit-ready SoC (Intel’s 22nm process technology on Silvermont microarchitecture)
13 MP support hardware-capable; 8 MP enabled on Form Factor Device (FFD)
LPDDR3 memory, 2×32 bit, up to 4 GB; 8.5 GB/s
USB 3.0; eMMC 4.5
Android 4.4.2 OS support
1080p 60 fps video recording and playback
H.265 (HEVC) and VP9 support <--- This is amazing
Imagination PowerVR G6400 GPU
Intel Mobile Wireless Display (Intel WiDi)
Intel XMM 7160 LTE Modem for 4G, 3G and 2G
Bluetooth 4.0 low energy, Wi-Fi (802.11a/b/g/n/ac)
Digital Rights Management (DRM) support
HDCP 2.x for premium content over HDMI
http://www.intomobile.com/2014/02/2...aimed-tablets-and-smartphones-z3480-and-z3580
The only thing hard to believe for me is the fact that Nexus may get it. I mean a SoC like this is bound to be expensive, right? Intel isn't known for supplying cheap processors. I would think just the SoC alone is going to be $200. No?
Looks like there is also talk of a Nexus 6... My only question is are these devices just gonna keep getting bigger and bigger????
Seems like soon we will have the nexus tablets with 15 inch screens!! I like the size of my n7 and I hope they keep it.
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markymark567 said:
Looks like there is also talk of a Nexus 6... My only question is are these devices just gonna keep getting bigger and bigger????
Seems like soon we will have the nexus tablets with 15 inch screens!! I like the size of my n7 and I hope they keep it.
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I think eight inch is better than seven. 6" 8" and 10" seems perfect. They do not design these to cover a need, they design them to sell them. Sadly, humans think when a number goes higher it is automatically better. Even when you realize its not, your brain continues to work that way. If they released another Nexus 7, it would not sell as much as the new Nexus 8.
8" could be done the same size as the nexus 7. Might not be too bad. Personally I'd like something bigger for NY next tablet but I don't want an Intel processor. They are usually weaker on graphics and some apps are not compatible.
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Also think about what LG is doing with bezels... You could get an 8" display in the size of the Nexus 7 frame today, or with very little increase in size.
Not saying LG is the OEM or anything, but bezels are getting smaller and smaller, which means larger screens in the same overall device size.
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6" 8" and 10" seems perfect.
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negative, a 6" phone is too big for many people.
also i've heard the new intel chips will be no good for the custom ROM community: http://androidcommunity.com/intels-...g-trouble-for-android-customization-20140317/
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negative, a 6" phone is too big for many people.
also i've heard the new intel chips will be no good for the custom ROM community: http://androidcommunity.com/intels-...g-trouble-for-android-customization-20140317/
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Scary, but not surprising coming from Intel. The more I think about it the more I don't like the idea of an Intel processor. Too many bad memories of the crappy atom processors in netbooks don't help.
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Also think about what LG is doing with bezels... You could get an 8" display in the size of the Nexus 7 frame today, or with very little increase in size.
Not saying LG is the OEM or anything, but bezels are getting smaller and smaller, which means larger screens in the same overall device size.
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Yeah, I like that idea about less bezel, but I also do not want zero bezel, or some of your fingers flesh while holding it could get in the way. Maybe 1/8 or 1/4 wide bezel, no more. I just know I want a 8" or 9" screen tablet for doing business while I am still in bed. I usually wake up about 5 hours after going to bed, and I can't keep from checking email, paypal, ebay, replying to client questions and customer concerns, etc. I spend 45 minutes every morning and I find the screen and font sizes too small on the N7. I know I can change font sizes, but it just don't fit right. I think another inch, or inch and a half, would make it a little bit better to do business while my eyes are still tired. After 45 minutes my eyes are extremely sore from the constant focusing, and trying to read. Maybe larger fonts and more screen real-estate and my eyes wouldn't get so tired. And I feel that 10" may be just a little too big to snuggle with, lol... But I don't know...
Yeah a 6" phone would be stupid. So, maybe a 5" phone tops, 8" tablet and a 11", to replace the 10?
Oh, and why on earth would it not be good for custom roms and Intel processors? The worlds best chip maker and no one wants one in their mobile device? I would think the source would still be released regardless of the chip type and maker.
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Oh, and why on earth would it not be good for custom roms and Intel processors? The worlds best chip maker and no one wants one in their mobile device? I would think the source would still be released regardless of the chip type and maker.
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Then you need to read up. Intel has a bad reputation in the past with Linux and their atom chip. They are also known for locking down features and building things mainly for Windows.
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Then you need to read up. Intel has a bad reputation in the past with Linux and their atom chip. They are also known for locking down features and building things mainly for Windows.
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Yes, I am well aware of their past Atom woes. But that does not automatically mean these new processors will suffer the same fate.
And it looks possible that Google may have tapped HTC to manufacture this beast...
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/544578/20140324/nexus-8-10-2-release-date-specs.htm#.Uy_kgVTdWBM

X8 chip upgrade?

Do you think motorola will upgrade the present X8 chip with 2 krait 300 cores to a new X8 chip with krait 400 cores? Snapdragon 800 already has a low power always listening core in it right? wonder whats in store for summer
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Do you think motorola will upgrade the present X8 chip with 2 krait 300 cores to a new X8 chip with krait 400 cores? Snapdragon 800 already has a low power always listening core in it right? wonder whats in store for summer
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Who knows, but we should definitely see the core upgrade.
Moto X successor is still slated for late summer release. So it could be as late as August. By that time we will have Snapdragon 610 and 615 in market and those make perfect sense for new Moto X. Still not the high end for that time, but plenty of oomph while consuming less power and significant upgrade over current MSM8960DT.
Haven't heard of the 610 and 615. Thanks
The new Moto X should improve very nicely over the current.
I'm curious to see what new clever way Motorola will use the new tech.
I'm always for 'smarter' technology over more 'powerful' technology
roweboat56 said:
I'm curious to see what new clever way Motorola will use the new tech.
I'm always for 'smarter' technology over more 'powerful' technology
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I remember Dennis Woodside saying the next generation Touchless control wont require you to speak the command phrase first.
Current phrase is too long. With the android wear, we will be saying "OK Google" all the time. Then to say "OK Google now" for phone will be little odd. They can simply go for "Moto" or " Hey Moto". No phrase is not ideal. You don't want your phone to trigger touches control all the time.
From my Moto X, in your face!
If they keep with the theme of last year the x8 will be quietly upgraded and they will add new one useful features. Maybe slightly faster but still dual core. I would love for some upgrades on the rest of the phone. 1080p but still 4.7" display, better camera, wireless charging, more customizations?
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Better yet, a personalized command of your choice
For android wear you don't always have to say okay google now. In the video the guy in the train simply says "Reply" which is cool. I'd love to see that translated to the X. I wish Motorola has an X series which would keep the 4.7 size and some other series for other sizes all while maintaining the same specs in all series except the G.
The problem with a 1080p screen is eats more battery without much if any real increase in picture screen is to small.
T-Keith said:
If they keep with the theme of last year the x8 will be quietly upgraded and they will add new one useful features. Maybe slightly faster but still dual core. I would love for some upgrades on the rest of the phone. 1080p but still 4.7" display, better camera, wireless charging, more customizations?
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The problem with a 1080p screen is eats more battery without much if any real increase in picture screen is to small.
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while 1080p does eat some battery up, there have now been advancements made in the newer 801 chipsets in regards to battery life. it would be great if MotoX 2 could get a dualcore variant of that, while also beefing the battery up to maybe 2600maH while retaining the same 4.7" screen. i'd also like to see a better camera for low light shots. if these were the upgrades, while also adding more useful features to the phone, i'd be sold day1.
i feel fairly confident that the screen size of the device will stay small. to most, that's one of the selling points of the MotoX.
I would also like an improved battery. Maybe next phone for me will be back to the Maxx. My fiancee is using my old RAZR maxx and I miss the crazy battery life she gets. The new maxx was just priced out of my reach so hopefully moto x 2 can bridge nicely.
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I am not really interested in tegra stuff but the 64bit dual core Denver might be a beast. I really hope more OEM's pull their heads out of their asses and go back to beefier dual cores rather than forcing quad on us. Heck, there's very few games that take full advantage of quad and I bet it's mostly tegea optimized games. Other benefits of going back to dual core besides pure power draw of cores themselves are using the spacing for bigger channels, faster ram, more ultra low voltage co processors, or dsp's/multi dsp's which ios and android still aren't taking full advantage of. What would be really awesome is if motorola comes out with something to compete with note3. Large screen with stylus, swappable battery, 64bit dual core, Kepler k1 or adreno 420, micro SD, heck two micro SD slots while I am dreaming, wireless charging, software nav buttons and Moto's legendary reception.
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I don't care what processors they use, like the Nexus devices need to do, put a BIGGER battery.
but I'm willing to bet some kind of S800 dual core variant.
I'm guessing it'll be a 5 inch FHD screen, quad core, and improved camera. The Moto X was crucified for its mid-range specs, despite calling itself a flagship phone, thus it won't be able to withstand another such release.
While many of the thoughts in this thread are correct, you have to keep in mind that the general consumer is a slave to the specs marketing game and that Motorola is struggling just to survive.
I'm not sure if I agree with that. The average techy may be obsessed with specs, but the average consumer probably buys based on price and marketing. They want a phone from a name they trust and something they can relate to. Samsung has this down. Motorola did step up their marketing, but they missed the mark. They should have played up their history.
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I'm not sure if I agree with that. The average techy may be obsessed with specs, but the average consumer probably buys based on price and marketing. They want a phone from a name they trust and something they can relate to. Samsung has this down. Motorola did step up their marketing, but they missed the mark. They should have played up their history.
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In the world of android, you need specs and/ price on your site to effectively market the phone.
If your phone is proceed like a high end phone, it better have high end specifications. Otherwise no matter how cool the phone is, how well it performs, it is difficult to market it.
See how many dumb @$$ reviews are there on popular shopping portals complaining about dual core CPU of Moto X.
Moto G is on the other hand received overwhelmingly positive reviews on same sites due to it's price and praises for its quad core CPU.
Hell there are multiple people complaining about moto x not being value for money when compared to "Quad core" Moto G..
Lot of techies who understood the potential of Moto X got it. Not masses.
When it comes to android, sadly average consumer does care about the specs.
Bit that mentality does mean that moto x owners have rather exclusive phone
From my Moto X, in your face!
I don't know. Most non-techy people I talk to never mention specs. They just want a "deal" on the newest Samsung phones. Because they don't want an apple phone and Samsung has marketed themselves as the anti-iphone. Just like the original Droid which had much success.
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In the world of android, you need specs and/ price on your site to effectively market the phone.
If your phone is proceed like a high end phone, it better have high end specifications. Otherwise no matter how cool the phone is, how well it performs, it is difficult to market it.
See how many dumb @$$ reviews are there on popular shopping portals complaining about dual core CPU of Moto X.
Moto G is on the other hand received overwhelmingly positive reviews on same sites due to it's price and praises for its quad core CPU.
Hell there are multiple people complaining about moto x not being value for money when compared to "Quad core" Moto G..
Lot of techies who understood the potential of Moto X got it. Not masses.
When it comes to android, sadly average consumer does care about the specs.
Bit that mentality does mean that moto x owners have rather exclusive phone
From my Moto X, in your face!
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I love the X as I do my favorite shaving razor the Bic Metal. These are still available in Europe & on Amazon. They lossed market share for the same reason-humble appearance.

Trade question

Currtenly using the moto x pure. A friend offered to trade me his nexus 6. Would that be a righteous trade or should I just keep moto x pure? Both are 32gb model.
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Currtenly using the moto x pure. A friend offered to trade me his nexus 6. Would that be a righteous trade or should I just keep moto x pure? Both are 32gb model.
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The resolution of the N6 screen is 2560x1440 pixels and consumes battery power.
Unfortunately the higher resolution is not used.
Unless the price is very low, keep your Moto
NLBeev said:
The resolution of the N6 screen is 2560x1440 pixels and consumes battery power.
Unfortunately the higher resolution is not used.
Unless the price is very low, keep your Moto
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There would be no cash difference just a straight trade phone for phone
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I'd honestly trade. The Nexus 6 CPU is more powerful. Add dual front facing speaker's. 100% stock Android. Me personally I'd jump on it.
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I'd honestly trade. The Nexus 6 CPU is more powerful. Add dual front facing speaker's. 100% stock Android. Me personally I'd jump on it.
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Yea that's what thinking also even though its a year older its still a beast of a phone. Plus I can get 7.0 a lot sooner then I would with the moto x
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Definitely. It's a beast, runs 7.0 like a champ. My Nexus 6 is 1.5 years old and still has no problems getting 2 days on battery.
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There would be no cash difference just a straight trade phone for phone ..,,
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I understand. The only reason I would change my N6 to a Moto x is portability.
The N6 is a great phone but it's rather large and the back is not flat.
An advantage for you could be that the N6 is planned to get Android 7.
I don't know if the Moto X will be updated.
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My Nexus 6 is 1.5 years old and still has no problems getting 2 days on battery.
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My N6 is 21 months old.
Out of the box the battery wasn't that powerful.
Battery life less than 1 day. Cause: amoled display.
For a better battery life I had to make changes:
1. root access to allow RRO-layers with dark themes.
2. Alternative apps with dark theme (f.i. no Gmail but Aquamail)
3. A custom kernel (Franco's kernel)
4. Debloating/delete not used apps.
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Currtenly using the moto x pure. A friend offered to trade me his nexus 6. Would that be a righteous trade or should I just keep moto x pure? Both are 32gb model.
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As someone who has both devices in house (roommate has the Moto X Pure), it was a tough decision. However, I went with the N6, because of the screen @NLBeev loves so much as well as the camera. For you, the question may not be the LCD, so what is most important to you?
Processor? 32-bit quad-core 805 vs 64-bit hexa-core 808.
Camera? 13MP with OIS vs 21MP w/out it. (For me, the OIS was more important than sheer megapixels.)
Screen? 5.96" AMOLED vs 5.7" TFT LCD. Both have the same resolution of 2560x1440, which means NLBeev won't like either of them.
Expandable storage? Moto X Pure has it. Nexus 6 does not.
Have all the current updates at timely matter. ROM options battery life performance. The moto x battery isn't that great and I'm dirty unicorn ROM.
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Have all the current updates at timely matter. ROM options battery life performance. The moto x battery isn't that great and I'm dirty unicorn ROM.
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Then you already know what you should do. Trade for the Nexus, as the timely updates is one area Motorola fails at. The Pure hasn't even been upgraded to 6.0.1 from 6.0. Just keep in mind that cloud storage is your friend with a 32GB Nexus.
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As someone who has both devices in house (roommate has the Moto X Pure), it was a tough decision. However, I went with the N6, because of the screen @NLBeev loves so much as well as the camera. For you, the question may not be the LCD, so what is most important to you?
Processor? 32-bit quad-core 805 vs 64-bit hexa-core 808.
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The 805 is actually a better chip than the 808, despite the model number being the wrong way.
The 805 has 4 VERY STRONG (and cool running) 32bit cores.
The 808 has 2 "OK" 64bit cores + 4 "REALLY CHITTY" 64bit cores. All VERY HOT running. They do NOT all add up to 4 strong 32bit cores.
"butbutbut SIXTYFOUR BITZ!!!". And what, precisely, do you use a phone for that benefits from 64bit CPU? Are you software transcoding videos? Nope. That's all done in dedicated hardware blocks.
Camera? 13MP with OIS vs 21MP w/out it. (For me, the OIS was more important than sheer megapixels.)
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Sheer megapixels is meaningless once you pass the point where they're bleeding into each other (which we are WAY beyond).
Screen? 5.96" AMOLED vs 5.7" TFT LCD. Both have the same resolution of 2560x1440, which means NLBeev won't like either of them.
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The AMOLED will use a lot less power,
The TFT will **LOOK BETTER**, since it uses backlight+filter and doesn't LIE about its resolution (The Nexus 6 is really only 2560x720).
Expandable storage? Moto X Pure has it. Nexus 6 does not.
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Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
However, I went with the N6, because of the screen @NLBeev loves so much as well as the camera. . Both have the same resolution of 2560x1440, which means NLBeev won't like either of them. ....
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Message received ?
I admit.....displaying pictures is great ?
@doitright: And you felt it necessary to dissect my post because? *shakes my head*
1. Have you ever heard of these things called "examples"? They're really refreshing things as they serve to illustrate concepts that the average person might misunderstand. The questions are all examples pointing back to the most important question: what is most important to you? As noted in reply to the OP, not everyone is going to focus on the display or the camera. The OP got it, because in his response he didn't touch on anything physical whatsoever. He instead focused on the biggest benefit of the Nexus/Pixel line: timely updates.
2. Seriously, you are preaching to the wrong person. The OP would benefit from the additional information you provided, however you chose to quote me, meaning you addressed me. Address him, because I have the device I want.
Okay so I did the trade got the phone plus $50 and a case lol not a bad deal I'd say. And it's running 7.0
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I appreciate y'all input on the matter thanks a lot guys.
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cracjackson said:
Okay so I did the trade got the phone plus $50 and a case lol not a bad deal I'd say. And it's running 7.0
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Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
@doitright: And you felt it necessary to dissect my post because? *shakes my head*
1. Have you ever heard of these things called "examples"? They're really refreshing things as they serve to illustrate concepts that the average person might misunderstand. The questions are all examples pointing back to the most important question: what is most important to you? As noted in reply to the OP, not everyone is going to focus on the display or the camera. The OP got it, because in his response he didn't touch on anything physical whatsoever. He instead focused on the biggest benefit of the Nexus/Pixel line: timely updates.
2. Seriously, you are preaching to the wrong person. The OP would benefit from the additional information you provided, however you chose to quote me, meaning you addressed me. Address him, because I have the device I want.
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1) Examples are worthless if they are incorrect.
2) This isn't your thread, read the name on the first post and you will know who this thread is for.

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