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Note vs Padphone?

Silly question but I'm still interested in how you guys think the note fairs over the padphone.
post opinions here.

You know of course that there is a small phone unit in our Notes!.
Seriously though,I am the kind of guy who likes to keep his handset in touch and not sort of abuse it by constantly snaping in and out,or box it away in another device or a tab for that matter,since mmy Note does both jobs excellently the Padphone is not for me, actualy not even considered it.

The padfone idea is pretty cool but the specs suck. Would love an accessory to the note with a large highres OLED screen though.
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Zamboney said:
The padfone idea is pretty cool but the specs suck. Would love an accessory to the note with a large highres OLED screen though.
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Second that. Looks cool. Kinda lame specs. Couldn't see my self using one. I have a phablet and a tablet so I'm content
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DOGSofDOOM said:
Second that. Looks cool. Kinda lame specs. Couldn't see my self using one. I have a phablet and a tablet so I'm content
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If the PadFone were a Tegra 3 or TI OMAP 5 or something badass like that, then I would be more tempted.

The Padphone has wins in everything except screen resolution which is negated via tablet.
Snapdragon S4 > Tegra 3 and Exynos 4210.

Very interested... am looking forward to hit actually hitting the market.
(or even announcing pricing would be nice)

if someone creates a 4" phone with a 7"screen then I would say a true combination of portability and big screen functionality.
For Note, the size is still a little too big for portability, while it's a little too small as a tablet.
For padphone, it's not very portable (need to carry a pad and a phone).

I love the idea. If the specs are not up to it, then a waste of effort.
I can see it working really well for the Note, imagine the 10" Note as a dumb terminal for the Note? That would be cool. I imagine Samsung would have to pay Asus quite a bit for the inevitable patent, however.

Spartoi said:
The Padphone has wins in everything except screen resolution which is negated via tablet.
Snapdragon S4 > Tegra 3 and Exynos 4210.
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dunno what the heck everyone else in here is talking about but you seem to know what youre talking about.
its not a last gen snapdragon, its a next gen snapdragon. it may not be the S4 pro, but the S4 is already pretty darn fast. for those who havent seen it, the snapdragon S4 dual core outperforms the tegra3 quad core chipset in almost all CPU tasks - thats a dual core beating a quad core.
so NO, the padfone specs do not suck. it has much more processing power than we have, and even though it doesnt have the next gen qualcomm GPUs, it doesnt need it when its in phone mode since it runs at a lower res in phone mode.
the only question is how well will it perform in tablet mode.

Souai said:
dunno what the heck everyone else in here is talking about but you seem to know what youre talking about.
its not a last gen snapdragon, its a next gen snapdragon. it may not be the S4 pro, but the S4 is already pretty darn fast. for those who havent seen it, the snapdragon S4 dual core outperforms the tegra3 quad core chipset in almost all CPU tasks - thats a dual core beating a quad core.
so NO, the padfone specs do not suck. it has much more processing power than we have, and even though it doesnt have the next gen qualcomm GPUs, it doesnt need it when its in phone mode since it runs at a lower res in phone mode.
the only question is how well will it perform in tablet mode.
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I actually just skimmed it from my phone and saw dual core snapdragon and assumed. If its s4 then ya screen res is really its only draw back
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Unless Asus plans on upgrading the phone each year and keeping it the same dimensions so people can keep the tablet and still upgrade their phones....then I think Padphone idea would be smart. Problem is, every Android company changes their device design which is why they never can keep up with Apple. If Motorola made the lapdock so the it wouldn't need a tethering plan, I think the Atrix may have sold better AND they could have made a docking tablet and cornered the market. The Atrix (for me) was a great phone but At&t and Motorola hosed it up.

Phoneguy589 said:
Unless Asus plans on upgrading the phone each year and keeping it the same dimensions so people can keep the tablet and still upgrade their phones....then I think Padphone idea would be smart. Problem is, every Android company changes their device design which is why they never can keep up with Apple. If Motorola made the lapdock so the it wouldn't need a tethering plan, I think the Atrix may have sold better AND they could have made a docking tablet and cornered the market. The Atrix (for me) was a great phone but At&t and Motorola hosed it up.
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i don't think it's a problem since you upgrade the phone and the tablet at the same time for like 20% price more than just a phone
DJsCrIBbLe said:
I actually just skimmed it from my phone and saw dual core snapdragon and assumed. If its s4 then ya screen res is really its only draw back
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if it wasn't PenTile screen the res wouldn't be a drawback
your thinking is exactly the reason why have to sufer the pain of PenTile screens

The padphone looks handsome tho
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Snapdragon S4 > Tegra 3 and Exynos 4210.
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Wow.
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padfone is nice if you are into "3-in-1" thingy. why own an ultrabook, a tablet and a phone; when you can have all of it in one price/package?
but for me, GNote is good enough.
phone - checked.
tablet - changed dpi to tablet mode. and walla, it's a tablet. phablet? the same.
ultrabook - get some wireless keyboard, and hook GNote to big ass LCD screen...
GNote wins hands down...

[Q] Galaxy Nexus or HTC One X for upgrade?

The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
So Here's my plan (this is actually how I got the cash to get the N1, albeit an iPhone 4)
Buy a iPhone 4S through At&t for $150 (refurb)
Sell it on ebay for ~$450-500
End up with an excess ~$350
Sell my N1 for ~$100
~$450 total
I can then make up the difference out of my own pocket
$500 is also roughly the amount the Galaxy Nexus is unsubsidized.
The One X looks like an amazing phone. However, the one that will be offered through At&t will be dual core 1.5GHZ, which is still better than the Galaxy Nexus' dual 1.2GHZ. However, if I'm going to have this phone for the next 2 years, it's going to be kick-ass, so I would go with the international tegra 3 quad core One X being offered unsubsidized. Right now that will run more more that $500 surely, but I'll be getting a monster.
I'm also extremely impressed with the community for Nexus devices. The ability to flash countless ROM's is a convenience I wish all phones could have, and something I do quite often. I know HTC has unlock-able bootloaders now, but I don't think they have as much community support for various ROM's, recovery's, etc. I do love the build quality of HTC devices so much more than Samsung though.
So my question to you all is, should I stay true to the Nexus line and get an extremely solid phone, or go for the One-X with almost 3x as much processing power?

XSafire said:
The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
So Here's my plan (this is actually how I got the cash to get the N1, albeit an iPhone 4)
Buy a iPhone 4S through At&t for $150 (refurb)
Sell it on ebay for ~$450-500
End up with an excess ~$350
Sell my N1 for ~$100
~$450 total
I can then make up the difference out of my own pocket
$500 is also roughly the amount the Galaxy Nexus is unsubsidized.
The One X looks like an amazing phone. However, the one that will be offered through At&t will be dual core 1.5GHZ, which is still better than the Galaxy Nexus' dual 1.2GHZ. However, if I'm going to have this phone for the next 2 years, it's going to be kick-ass, so I would go with the international tegra 3 quad core One X being offered unsubsidized. Right now that will run more more that $500 surely, but I'll be getting a monster.
I'm also extremely impressed with the community for Nexus devices. The ability to flash countless ROM's is a convenience I wish all phones could have, and something I do quite often. I know HTC has unlock-able bootloaders now, but I don't think they have as much community support for various ROM's, recovery's, etc. I do love the build quality of HTC devices so much more than Samsung though.
So my question to you all is, should I stay true to the Nexus line and get an extremely solid phone, or go for the One-X with almost 3x as much processing power?
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You never get 100$ for a used nexus one. More like 40~50$. They go new for around 100$

Read the comparisons between Tegra 3 and MSM8960. The dual-core One X will most likely be more powerful and less battery-eater than Tegra 3 one. The number of cores doesn't equal performance. You can get it through AT&T and that would make your plan much simpler.

Jack_R1 said:
Read the comparisons between Tegra 3 and MSM8960. The dual-core One X will most likely be more powerful and less battery-eater than Tegra 3 one. The number of cores doesn't equal performance. You can get it through AT&T and that would make your plan much simpler.
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Thanks for that. So would you choose the One XL over the Galaxy Nexus?

I might not be a good example. After a year with Nexus One, mostly running Enomther's ROM (somewhere between AOSP and CM), and trying some CM7, I grew really fond of Sense, especially after using Sense 3 for a while (running Sense 3.5 on my MT4G now). Stock Android has so many stupid quirks and limitations that I can't stand it. Plus, I completely dislike stock ICS look, it's awful IMHO, and I didn't particularly like Gingerbread either, Froyo was much closer to my taste - and Sense reminds me of it. So I would definitely take a phone that can run Sense ROMs over a phone that can't, but as you can see, it's my subjective opinion.
There is one more lesson I learned from Nexus One: user base counts. With Galaxy Nexus, all you get is a new OS 1-2 months ahead, and relatively small user base - while most likely having devs, but also more likely to jump to another, newer phone quite fast. On the other hand, on One X for 1-2 months delay in OS update you'll get more variants - in addition to stock Sense there will be AOSP, CM and MIUI variants like for any other phone, and most of all - you'll probably get A LOT more users, which eventually equals much better support community. Look at Nexus One development versus the good old Desire. If I'd pick Desire back then - I'd still be using it now.

Seems to me the choice is clear.....lol
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Wait, what? The HTC One X isn't dual core. It's got a quad core processor.

Theshawty said:
Wait, what? The HTC One X isn't dual core. It's got a quad core processor.
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Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.

This one is for dual core Snapdragon S4, I believe.

I Am Marino said:
Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.
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Dafuq? Why do they make two versions of it?
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Theshawty said:
Dafuq? Why do they make two versions of it?
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Because Tegra3 does not play nicely with LTE.
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XSafire said:
The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
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http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...wtSlotClick=1-007D1Y!903920-1-1&rel=nofollow#
SGS2, $10 if you buy it today, with two year contract. $100 otherwise... Your plan seems silly.

I Am Marino said:
Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.
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No the tegra 3 still outperforms it in raw power by like 70 percent, but the dual core that i has is a beast no doubt about that
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ray3andrei said:
No the tegra 3 still outperforms it in raw power by like 70 percent, but the dual core that i has is a beast no doubt about that
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That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.

Jack_R1 said:
That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.
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Are you being serious.. do you trust the bull**** on amandtech.... honestly you didnt hold the device in your hands to see how it performs, nor did you see a clip of it being benchmarked. Its impossible how 2 cores 1.5Ghz can beat a quad core 1.6Ghz the the arm in the s4 doesnt give double the performance compared to the arm in tegra 3... seriously, its like comparing an intel core i5 to a amd phenom 2....
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Jack_R1 said:
That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.
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I also saw pics of a galaxy nexus cooked and all that kitchen stuff i saw PICS only that doesnt prove anything, i own a transformer prime and its really good but it tends to lag when it switches from companion core to the actual cores, i saw benchmarks where the ram in the one x (s4) completely crushes the ram in the prime which is almost impossible because the ram in the prime runs at twice the clock speed. But it is single channel compared to dual channel in the s4 on paper the tegra 3 is faster.. by a lot ...
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ray3andrei said:
Are you being serious.. do you trust the bull**** on amandtech.... honestly you didnt hold the device in your hands to see how it performs, nor did you see a clip of it being benchmarked. Its impossible how 2 cores 1.5Ghz can beat a quad core 1.6Ghz the the arm in the s4 doesnt give double the performance compared to the arm in tegra 3... seriously, its like comparing an intel core i5 to a amd phenom 2....
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That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
P.S. It's funny that you assumed that I "didn't hold the device in my hands".

Jack_R1 said:
That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
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Haha....i didnt say a9 did I, you seem to be really pissed dude... show me a vid where the one x gets benchmarked.. and im not a fanboy.. in fact i like my nexus more than my prime..
On paper the tegra 3 is better and even if it uses arm a15mp core it still wouldn't match sorry im done here
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Jack_R1 said:
That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
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If i look at thr quadrant benchmark it gets 8500, on my prime i get 11000.. so the t3 is faster.. sorry
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I would choose the nexus only because of the screen, stock ics, and 1st to get updates, anything else go for the one x regardless of the version you get
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Quad core vs dual core

Hi Everyone,
I plan on purchasing a 7 inch tablet for email, calendar, browsing, some light word and excel updating, and occasionally Netflix. While nice to have, I don't think the quad core processor provides any advantage for the apps I will use? Tablets such as the Samsung 2 7 that have a built in SD Card look nice and don't seem like they are suffering the same quality control issues the Nexus 7 is suffering. I had a really bad experience with the Transformer Prime and don't want to go down that path again.
Thoughts/Suggestions?

What nexus7 quality control issues?
Get some perspective......
One of the main advantages of the Tegra3 is the superior power management using the 5th CPU core
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What issues did you have with the transformer prime?
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>I don't think the quad core processor provides any advantage for the [productivity] apps I will use?
Dual-vs-quad is mostly a marketing thing, like the old megahertz wars. For most operations, the Teg3 uses only one core (5th core, see video below) to conserve power. 3D gaming uses all 4 cores, which results in short battery life.
Most tablet use is not CPU-gated, except for hardcore gaming. Video playback nowaday has dedicated circuitry. In other words, if you don't do hardcore gaming, ignore SoC.
I think foremost criterion is screen size. A 7" is more portable, but for productivity (text-heavy) use, a 10" is more suited for its larger display. Would suggest a 10" for single-location use (ie in-home or at-work) and a 7" for mobile use. Best bet is to have one of each.
People tend to ask "what to buy," but a more useful question may be "when to buy." Now is not the best time to buy, as companies are just starting to roll out their wares for the fall shopping season.

e.mote said:
>I don't think the quad core processor provides any advantage for the [productivity] apps I will use?
Dual-vs-quad is mostly a marketing thing, like the old megahertz wars. For most operations, the Teg3 uses only one core (5th core, see video below) to conserve power. 3D gaming uses all 4 cores, which results in short battery life.
Most tablet use is not CPU-gated, except for hardcore gaming. Video playback nowaday has dedicated circuitry. In other words, if you don't do hardcore gaming, ignore SoC.
I think foremost criterion is screen size. A 7" is more portable, but for productivity (text-heavy) use, a 10" is more suited for its larger display. Would suggest a 10" for single-location use (ie in-home or at-work) and a 7" for mobile use. Best bet is to have one of each.
People tend to ask "what to buy," but a more useful question may be "when to buy." Now is not the best time to buy, as companies are just starting to roll out their wares for the fall shopping season.
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I have used both the galaxy tab 2 and the nexus. The nexus is definitely faster and smoother. My nexus had the screen lift thing. Its getting RMAed. We'll see if the new one is better. From the tab 2s I have played with I haven't seen any defects really.
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They recently did a poll, and only a small portion of the people had issues. The people that didn't (myself included) just didn't have a reason to say anything.
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Mine is perfect, no issues what so ever and couldn't be happier with it. Seems people share complaints more than praise. This is my first tablet and have nothing to compare to but I haven't put it down very much since I received it Friday my phone finally gets a little break. I'm not big into games but I have a nephew that now loves my tablet because of the games. Guess it will be good entertainment when kids come over. Good luck, don't think you would be disappointed with this one.
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Go and buy one... if you get one that's defected you can always return it! Mine is perfect by the way.
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What problem did you have with the Eee Pad prime?

[/COLOR]I like the nexus 7. Defects always happen with the launch of a new product. My tablet has defects. The nexus 7 is a great deal and their are some other new tabs due out soon that's as cost effective as this tab. nexus 7 will have better support and faster updates. You need to research and figure out what it is you need. The only dual core tab that will out perform the tegra 3 is probably the samsung enyos 2 ghz tab that doesnt exist in real world yet.

BostonDan2 said:
Hi Everyone,
I plan on purchasing a 7 inch tablet for email, calendar, browsing, some light word and excel updating, and occasionally Netflix. While nice to have, I don't think the quad core processor provides any advantage for the apps I will use? Tablets such as the Samsung 2 7 that have a built in SD Card look nice and don't seem like they are suffering the same quality control issues the Nexus 7 is suffering. I had a really bad experience with the Transformer Prime and don't want to go down that path again.
Thoughts/Suggestions?
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I have a Samsung galaxy tab 10.1 with dual core cpu and the nexus 7 with quad core. The performance is night and day. Whether that is due to software or hardware or both, I don't know. All I can tell you is that the dual core tablet is very rarely getting used, and I like the nexus 7 so much I ordered a second one as a gift for someone else. Mine is perfect, absolutely no quality issues, though it did give me a scare once taking longer than expected to reboot. And based on the ifixit rating, and the popularity of the device, this one will be around much longer than the other tablet, simply because it will be possible for me to fix it, if it breaks after it's out of warranty.
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Jelly bean has a lot to do with smoothness. Having a Galaxy Nexus upgraded to JB, it makes a big difference.
There is big noticeable differences between this and the Transformer running ICS but I haven't upgraded it to JB to do direct tests.
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rockaholic112 said:
They recently did a poll, and only a small portion of the people had issues. The people that didn't (myself included) just didn't have a reason to say anything.
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The polls consistently showed 50% having issues, unless there's one I don't know about.

thebobp said:
The polls consistently showed 50% having issues, unless there's one I don't know about.
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Think about it, a poll in a place where people with issues would come is not going to reflect the actual numbers. It will be heavily skewed.

Nospin said:
Think about it, a poll in a place where people with issues would come is not going to reflect the actual numbers. It will be heavily skewed.
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The pre-arrival population was already large enough compared to the size of the polls that I find it hard to believe 50% of them would've come from nowhere, rather than having been randomly selected from said population.
I'm still interested to know where this poll with low rates was.

Thanks to all that responded. This is helpful and given me a lot to think about.
To provide the background on the Transformer Prime, I received one with really bad wifi. Throughput was painful from 1 floor away from my router and I had a little bit of screen bleed, but I was ok with the screen bleed, it was the wifi that mad it unusable. I received really bad support from Asus, that was the tipping point that made me return the product.
I ended up with an iPad and it mostly works great, but I like the 7 inch form factor and I am curious if Android will provide more functionality with google apps that I'm already using for my business.
I keep going back and forth, but now I'm leaning towards the nexus as the problems being reported are not being reported as much anymore and this seems to have a lot of development interest.
Thanks again everyone.

The TF Prime lol. That thing was a nightmare and a complete design fault failure.
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BostonDan2 said:
Thanks to all that responded. This is helpful and given me a lot to think about.
To provide the background on the Transformer Prime, I received one with really bad wifi. Throughput was painful from 1 floor away from my router and I had a little bit of screen bleed, but I was ok with the screen bleed, it was the wifi that mad it unusable. I received really bad support from Asus, that was the tipping point that made me return the product.
I ended up with an iPad and it mostly works great, but I like the 7 inch form factor and I am curious if Android will provide more functionality with google apps that I'm already using for my business.
I keep going back and forth, but now I'm leaning towards the nexus as the problems being reported are not being reported as much anymore and this seems to have a lot of development interest.
Thanks again everyone.
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If development is a big factor for you then get a Nexus and never look back. The Nexus devices will always have tbe latest and grestest softwsre cause it comes straight from google. Good luck with the other OEMs as you could wait months to years for official updates.

Nexus 7 ($250) vs IdeaPad A2107 ($230)

There is still a Nexus 7 vs IdeaPad A2109 running,
but now that the A2107 is available (at least in some Asian countries)
it seems more logical to compare the Nexus 7 with this other 7" tablet rather than with the 9" one.
The A2107 in Hong-Kong is today at 3/4 price of A2109.
It should make the 16 GB version at about $225 in USA while the Nexus 7 is $249 .
A2107 details: lenovo.co.uk , including 3G and microSD port
A preview can be found on trustedreviews.com or asking Google
More pictures on China Lenovo propotion page : http://shop.lenovo.com.cn/promotion/a2107

Oukiva said:
There is still a Nexus 7 vs IdeaPad A2109 running,
but now that the A2107 is available (at least in some Asian countries)
it seems more logical to compare the Nexus 7 with this other 7" tablet rather than with the 9" one.
The A2107 in Hong-Kong is today at 3/4 price of A2109.
It should make the 16 GB version at about $225 in USA while the Nexus 7 is $249 .
A2107 details: lenovo.co.uk , including 3G and microSD port
A preview can be found on trustedreviews.com or asking Google
More pictures on China Lenovo propotion page : http://shop.lenovo.com.cn/promotion/a2107
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I got the baby - the Lenovo A2107 - in my hands at the moment... It's quite a nice piece of hardware... Quite responsive, web browsing with the stock browser is fine, videos are played correctly...
The slate fits quite nicely in the hands... The size is quite close from my GTab 7", just a bit slimmer.
The display is good, good enough to read a pdf on the go (I don't really like tabs to read ebooks for a long time). I haven't seen the Nexus yet, but I feel that, with proper resellers, it could find its way to a number of homes...
I'd easily get used to it... Too bad it's not mine...

Considering my screen decided to crack without me throwing it against the wall or dropping it or anything like that, I'm looking at alternatives to the Nexus 7 now since I'm not sure ASUS will own up to their obvious design flaw that caused the issue. The only thing that catches my eye is the processor. Is it a dual core or quad core? I'm having trouble finding definitive references to it online. I'd assume at that price it'd be a dual, but who knows... and the resolution is a little :/ but other than that the rest of it is enticing.

Lenovo IdeaTab A2107 specs:
http://device.androidcommunity.com/ideatab-a2107-3183/
Video hands-on:
The A2107 is a successor to 1107, and has similar specs & pricing. The main hook is its built-in 3G and dual-SIM support, which matters more for regions outside of the US. Otherwise, features and specs are lackluster, with MediaTek MTK6575 SoC and 1024x600 TN LCD, and aren't competitive with the Nexus 7.

e.mote said:
Lenovo IdeaTab A2107 specs:
http://device.androidcommunity.com/ideatab-a2107-3183/
Video hands-on:
The A2107 is a successor to 1107, and has similar specs & pricing. The main hook is its built-in 3G and dual-SIM support, which matters more for regions outside of the US. Otherwise, features and specs are lackluster, with MediaTek MTK6575 SoC and 1024x600 TN LCD, and aren't competitive with the Nexus 7.
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Well that's a severe bummer.

e.mote said:
Lenovo IdeaTab A2107 specs:
Otherwise, features and specs are lackluster, with MediaTek MTK6575 SoC and 1024x600 TN LCD, and aren't competitive with the Nexus 7.
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Not competitive? Depends...
The processor is maybe not the one of the Nexus 7 but the same we find in the Samsung Galaxy Note and all reviews said this phone/tablet was really responsive.
The screen is maybe not the excellent one of the Nexus 7 but is a good one. Not every one is fan of these high resolutions. For me it's mean I having to zoom most of the time on Nexus 7 to be able to read...
Final point is that the 3G Nexus 7 will be probably 40% or $100 more expensive that this model and will still not have microSD.
Not such a bad choice.

After hearing about these Lenovo tablets and having my Nexus 7 screen randomly crack without dropping I decided to look further into a Nexus 7 replacement. Here are the two ultimate bummers I've found about these Lenovo tablets.
2107 = dual core, not quad core
2109 = quad core, but TN panel
Maybe I'm just severely spoiled, but really? A TN panel in a brand new 2012 tablet?

LENOVO Idea Pad A2107A - A lot of questions ??? Please help me !!!
hello,
i bought the new lenovo ideapad a2107a in germany last week.
unfortunately there is no good support by lenovo until now.
i want to buy the original case shown on lenovo us website but can´t find it on web.
where can i buy it ???
another question is, i read about a build in fm-radio at the tablet, but i can´t find the way to switch it on.
can anybody help me ?
and i don´t understand why there are 2 sim slots for 3g / gsm. is there any telephon function too ?
i hope there is somebody who can help me ?
where can i find a manual and description which shows me all functions ?
thank you and best wishes
herbert

N7, FTW!
Pure Google just can't be beaten, especially for Those of us that like to tinker!

Oukiva said:
Not competitive? Depends...
The processor is maybe not the one of the Nexus 7 but the same we find in the Samsung Galaxy Note and all reviews said this phone/tablet was really responsive.
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The 2107 has a single core MediaTek 1GHz CPU. The Galaxy Note has a 1.4GHz dual core Exynos. I don't know how crappy the MediaTek is (never even heard of it before) but my gut tells me there is a world of difference between that 1GHz single core and the 1.4GHz dual core SoCs.
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The screen is maybe not the excellent one of the Nexus 7 but is a good one. Not every one is fan of these high resolutions. For me it's mean I having to zoom most of the time on Nexus 7 to be able to read...
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When we complain about the Nexus 7 screen, it's usually in relation to other high end IPS displays. However even with is substandard color quality, the Nexus 7 IPS display at 1280x800 is going to be a LOT better looking than a TN 1024x600 display.
And you have it backwards. Higher resolution displays mean you don't have to zoom in more to read. Lower resolution means the text is less clear forcing you to do the zooming more often.
Oukiva said:
Final point is that the 3G Nexus 7 will be probably 40% or $100 more expensive that this model and will still not have microSD.
Not such a bad choice.
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It may not be a bad deal if you have to have 3G on your tablet for $230 (or something). This is going to be a small number of people. Most could probably just tether with a phone and save money on the extra data plan.
But this is a pretty low end tablet and not even in the same ballpark as a Nexus 7. I can't imagine why anyone would want this, except for the possible need for 3G on a very cheap tablet.
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JaSauders said:
2107 = dual core, not quad core
2109 = quad core, but TN panel
Maybe I'm just severely spoiled, but really? A TN panel in a brand new 2012 tablet?
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From what I was able to dig up, the 2107 isn't even dual core, it's a single core. And a TN panel on a tablet is an instant deal breaker.

JaSauders said:
After hearing about these Lenovo tablets and having my Nexus 7 screen randomly crack without dropping I decided to look further into a Nexus 7 replacement. Here are the two ultimate bummers I've found about these Lenovo tablets.
2107 = dual core, not quad core
2109 = quad core, but TN panel
Maybe I'm just severely spoiled, but really? A TN panel in a brand new 2012 tablet?
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The ten panel isn't as bad as you think. Still 170 ppi and decent colors. Just the viewing angles is all. Which isn't as bad since its not like you'll be frequently looking at it from an angle. Plus your friends won't be able to see what you're doing, which can be good lol
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Hard to argue against a Nexus tablet IMO, unless the other tablet being compared is just as powerful but somehow a lot cheaper.

lag
Its just me or some1 else saw a lag when the guy rotate the screen? (creepy)

CWM/CM?
Is there any chance to run CyanogenMod 9+ on this marvel?
I've seen a post about a port of CM on Lenovo tablet, but I fear it's for a different unit.
Any other info?

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nioupy said:
I got the baby - the Lenovo A2107 - in my hands at the moment... It's quite a nice piece of hardware... Quite responsive, web browsing with the stock browser is fine, videos are played correctly...
The slate fits quite nicely in the hands... The size is quite close from my GTab 7", just a bit slimmer.
The display is good, good enough to read a pdf on the go (I don't really like tabs to read ebooks for a long time). I haven't seen the Nexus yet, but I feel that, with proper resellers, it could find its way to a number of homes...
I'd easily get used to it... Too bad it's not mine...
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Have you tried the rear camera? Is it Autofocus? I'm looking to get one and use if for detailed fairly close-up shots. I just got a Galaxy Tab 2; the camera is fixed focus and not good at all for anything close up. Also, the Tab 2 does not allow programs/aps on the miniSD card. How about the speakers and the battery so far? thanks!

Google update, always the nexus...
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OP should update the prices to reflect the current 32/16 gig N7 pricing.
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i got the lenovo for 200€
screen is good, gps responsive, wifi reception great.
it handles lag free, besides when rotating screens. dual sim is a nice touch. would buy it again any day.
Sent from my IdeaTab A2107A-H using xda app-developers app
ps: rooten is easy too. just did a repost over there. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2005349

valravn said:
i got the lenovo for 200€
screen is good, gps responsive, wifi reception great.
it handles lag free, besides when rotating screens. dual sim is a nice touch. would buy it again any day.
Sent from my IdeaTab A2107A-H using xda app-developers app
ps: rooten is easy too. just did a repost over there. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2005349
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Agreed only needs a fix for rotating screens otherwise very good
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Ps feel free to check out my thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2067791

Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 - 8.0, anyone?

Will anyone consider the upcoming tab 3-8 to replace your nexus 7? I may as the followings are improvements that I am looking for:
1) larger screen with thinner bezels,
2) miracast/allshare cast support
3) phone call support (don't need this everyday, but great to use as second mobile when on a trip)
4) LTE support
5) microsd (which the new nexus certainly will not have)
But all these will render useless unless the new intel cpu is better than the current tegra 3. Anyone knows anything about this cpu?
Any views and followers?
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yatbond said:
But all these will render useless unless the new intel cpu is better than the current tegra 3. Anyone knows anything about this cpu?
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I don't think the 8.0 with have the new intel cpu on board, only the 10 inch version will have.
It a shame the tab 3 8.0 won't have IR and NFC on board :crying:

It's too slow.
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spitfire2425 said:
It's too slow.
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Nexus 7 still doing utterly splendid, thank you.

I'm currently happy with my collection of electronics. Baring any unforseen accidents I don't plan on "upgrading" my tab, phone, laptop or any other electronic for minimum of another year. But when I do my android devices will remain nexus whenever possible.
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I would like to see a Nexus 8. I would like the larger screen, but I don't much care for Samsung's newest tablets with the physical buttons. They are awkward when the tablet is rotated.
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gompedyret said:
Nexus 7 still doing utterly splendid, thank you.
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I meant the gtab8 is too slow. The my nexus seven and all the rest are still awesome.
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Pretty pricey for minor differences. If you were tabletless and looking, even then, the extra $130+ difference over the N7 is hard to swallow for basically Pen support.
If you are a current tablet owner, the difference becomes more difficult and borders retarded. Unless you specifically are in the market for a 7-8" tab with Pen support, this is a hard sell at that price. If you don't intend on utilizing the pen, you are much better at saving the cash and buying a N7.

player911 said:
Pretty pricey for minor differences. If you were tabletless and looking, even then, the extra $130+ difference over the N7 is hard to swallow for basically Pen support.
If you are a current tablet owner, the difference becomes more difficult and borders retarded. Unless you specifically are in the market for a 7-8" tab with Pen support, this is a hard sell at that price. If you don't intend on utilizing the pen, you are much better at saving the cash and buying a N7.
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The OP was referring to the new Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 8 inch tablet.....Not the Galaxy Note 8 with the pen. The Galaxy Tab version will be much cheaper. It only has a duel core CPU and 1.5GB RAM.
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All these N7 compared to threads popping up, and to each their own I believe........but.....the N7 isn't perfect perhaps, tho what is.....but for price, performance, support from devs and quick Google updates....the N7 is the best all around 7" and similar size tablet going....and that is very hard to argue.
Nothing wrong with asking about other half size tabs, but realistically .....so far anyway.....none can beat it. Especially that other one people went on about that's a no name tab basically and will doubtfully ever see an official update. And good luck with support if you have problems.
Just saying. Of course the rumored new N7 will probably be better. Acer really got the N7 built ahead of its time. K.....an sd slot would've been nice. Lol
Sent from my cell phone telephone....

ncguy68 said:
The OP was referring to the new Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 8 inch tablet.....Not the Galaxy Note 8 with the pen. The Galaxy Tab version will be much cheaper. It only has a duel core CPU and 1.5GB RAM.
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I believe the tablet is using an Intel Atom processor. Dual core doesn't mean it's slow/slower. The architecture of the processor makes it probably faster than the quad core Tegra 3.
Edit: Good example would be the dual core CPU on the Nexus 10.
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DroidOnRoids said:
I believe the tablet is using an Intel Atom processor. Dual core doesn't mean it's slow/slower. The architecture of the processor makes it probably faster than the quad core Tegra 3.
Edit: Good example would be the dual core CPU on the Nexus 10.
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Good to know. I only use two cores on my Nexus 7 and it works fine for me. Android really only needs two cores.
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Nexus 7 32gb = 200 euro
Galaxy note 8.0 = 380 euro
So 180 euro voor 1inch extra. No thank you
Edit : didn't know that there would be a 8inch tab 3

DroidOnRoids said:
I believe the tablet is using an Intel Atom processor. Dual core doesn't mean it's slow/slower. The architecture of the processor makes it probably faster than the quad core Tegra 3.
Edit: Good example would be the dual core CPU on the Nexus 10.
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I think I was reading that the Atom is an x86 processor that "emulates" ARM used for Android. Samsung is getting cheap and using a platform they can market having Android and another for Windows 8. The good thing is that if the devs get it, it could possibly dualboot Android and Windows.
The Atoms were never really powerful but these are the new generation chips. Only time will tell.
As stated earlier this thread is for the TAB, not the 8" Note... which only further pushes me to believe that the N7 is still the better buy, even today.

I actually tried the Asus Fonepad and it also uses the Intel chip but single core. It feels a little slower than n7 but not by much. It runs pretty much all apps including all the games. But it didn't run firefox for some reason. The intel chip is dual thread; so single core acts like dual core...? And the new chip is dual core.... Therefore, I don't think it would be slower than our beloved N7. In fact it should be faster..
And I really want miracast support.
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A review has been posted.
Please check:
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-3-8-inch-Review_id3337
Not great but definitely decent. Hard to decide N7-2 or this....
N7 Advantages based on rumored specs:
- better screen resolution
- better processor Snapdragon 600 or S4 pro
- lots of custom rom optimize the device
Tab 3 - 8.0
- bigger screen (to me this is more important than resolution as I don't mind the current N7 screen resolution) with thin bezel
- Phone calling capability
- micro-sd card memory expansion
- Possible split screen multi-tasking (this is also important, as I need to view Pdf and type notes in my meetings)
What is your take?

player911 said:
I think I was reading that the Atom is an x86 processor that "emulates" ARM used for Android. Samsung is getting cheap and using a platform they can market having Android and another for Windows 8. The good thing is that if the devs get it, it could possibly dualboot Android and Windows.
The Atoms were never really powerful but these are the new generation chips. Only time will tell.
As stated earlier this thread is for the TAB, not the 8" Note... which only further pushes me to believe that the N7 is still the better buy, even today.
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I sincerely doubt it. Google's been building x86-optimized versions of Android for some time, so I can't see why Samsung would shoot themselves in the foot by using an x86 chip to emulate ARM. Especially when we know they're collaborating pretty closely Intel.
In any event, this discussion is moot because by all accounts, the Galaxy Tab 3 8.0 will not be Intel-powered at all.

Also have to look at support from Samsung. How will this be updated are we looking at timely updates or will it be forgotten like the tab2 was. Will it get the new key lime pie is when its released or will it be stuck with jellybean? We seen so many phones that could handle the newer os that came out over the years but the phone makers seem to not want to be bothered with it. Or they drag their feet and by the time the phone gets the updated os its already obsolete. Case in point by the time the HTC thunderbolt got ICS Google was already on 4.2 jellybean.
Why all my devices for now on will be Google nexus devices. Seems to get more quicker updates and they support their devices a lot longer than other makers with their mentality of use it once and throw away for something new.I am happy with my n7 and will use it for either as long as I have it or till it breaks or I give it to my son. I got my son a tab2 and I was disappointed in it. I always heard great things about Samsung devices but that price of crap makes me question Samsung devices for the future purchases I may make.
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DroidOnRoids said:
I believe the tablet is using an Intel Atom processor. Dual core doesn't mean it's slow/slower. The architecture of the processor makes it probably faster than the quad core Tegra 3.
Edit: Good example would be the dual core CPU on the Nexus 10.
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yeah probably but the thought of having a dual core compared to the upcoming quad-core tablets that are probably going to have tegra 4, snapdragon 600 800s just makes it seem slow and probably will be.
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yatbond said:
A review has been posted.
Please check:
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-3-8-inch-Review_id3337
Not great but definitely decent. Hard to decide N7-2 or this....
N7 Advantages based on rumored specs:
- better screen resolution
- better processor Snapdragon 600 or S4 pro
- lots of custom rom optimize the device
Tab 3 - 8.0
- bigger screen (to me this is more important than resolution as I don't mind the current N7 screen resolution) with thin bezel
- Phone calling capability
- micro-sd card memory expansion
- Possible split screen multi-tasking (this is also important, as I need to view Pdf and type notes in my meetings)
What is your take?
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GET THE N7 2 it will be a beast and have probably tons of devs behind it and who needs phone calling capabilitys.