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Hi Guys,
I've been wondering for a few days, Sony is basically making the "Waterproof" function of this phone as the main selling point.
I'm just curious as to how the insurance and warranty is going to be affected by the water proof.
As I know most insurances claim its water damage and say its not covered.
Can they still do this with the Xperia, as its water proof?
Are warranties etc going to change incorporating the water-proof(ness).
Thanks.
It's not water-proof, it's water-resistant.
The water seals inside the phone will still void your warranty if voided, its just like a water proof camera, if YOU haven't secured your waterproof flaps/seals properly and then submerge it, then it is user error.
Wait a minute, so why the hell do they claim "Water-PROOF" whens it not.
So basically, you couldn't just wash it off like the advert.
Define RESISTANT compared to PROOF....?
??? It is water resistant, I washed my xperia z a few times now, mostly as a show of, and also spent some time in the bath with it watching....
Nevermind point is when you don't close the flaps and submerge it the sensors underneath the flaps turn red, making warranty void, but if there is water damage without the flap sensors tripping, then you are covered by warranty, some users are worried about the flaps turning red, but for me they are still white eventhough I submerged the phone in water several times now.
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bucho2004 said:
??? It is water resistant, I washed my xperia z a few times now, mostly as a show of, and also spent some time in the bath with it watching.... PPPOOORRRNNN
Nevermind point is when you don't close the flaps and submerge it the sensors underneath the flaps turn red, making warranty void, but if there is water damage without the flap sensors tripping, then you are covered by warranty, some users are worried about the flaps turning red, but for me they are still white eventhough I submerged the phone in water several times now.
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Hmm, what flaps?
Sony is deceiving me here. I though it was water-proof !!
Wilks3y said:
Hmm, what flaps?
Sony is deceiving me here. I though it was water-proof !!
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Erm... There are flaps on the phone covering every port and I'm sure the Xperia Z is advertised as water resistant. Not waterproof. It can still witstand being submerged underwater for up to 30mins and 100m though.
I guess you mean 1m and not 100m. But that would have been nice for deep sea diving.
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I guess you mean 1m and not 100m. But that would have been nice for deep sea diving.
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Hahahah XD Yeah! My bad! Was doing Math while typing that post
Math screws up your brain.
If i am not wrong, the spec states ip7 and ip5.ip 5 would likely be water resistant while ip 7 is water proofing
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bkbatboy said:
If i am not wrong, the spec states ip7 and ip5.ip 5 would likely be water resistant while ip 7 is water proofing
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So whats the use in the flaps?
Why not just remove the flaps and then theres no chance of you messing up?
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Hahahah XD Yeah! My bad! Was doing Math while typing that post
Math screws up your brain.
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Maths obliterates your brain !!
Originally Posted by bkbatboy
If i am not wrong, the spec states ip7 and ip5.ip 5 would likely be water resistant while ip 7 is water proofing
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You are wrong, it is
IP55 = Limited dust ingress protection low pressure water jets from any direction
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IP57 = Limited dust ingress protection immersion between 15cm and 1m depth
And as long as the flaps are closed you'll be a ok.
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Originally Posted by bkbatboy
If i am not wrong, the spec states ip7 and ip5.ip 5 would likely be water resistant while ip 7 is water proofing
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You are wrong, it is
IP55 = Limited dust ingress protection low pressure water jets from any direction
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IP57 = Limited dust ingress protection immersion between 15cm and 1m depth
And as long as the flaps are closed you'll be a ok.
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What the heck, I need to see one of these in real I think.
I really wanted one but now with all the talk of flaps I'm thinking twice...
go ahead and get it. this is the most rugged high end phone to date and probably for the entire year 2013. all the best.
Wilks3y said:
What the heck, I need to see one of these in real I think.
I really wanted one but now with all the talk of flaps I'm thinking twice...
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The flaps don't really disturb, To charge the phone you can use the dock, and for listening to music (if you do that a lot) you can go with bluetooth earphones.
And I've submerged my phone also in a galss of water and also took it into the shower, you should just make sure that you dry your phone before openening the flaps again, then avaerything should be fine
Great, Xperia looks like my upgrade then. May see some of you around here in a few months time when I'll be an owner
Have fun all, thanks very much for your responses.
My xperia Z has been exposed to tiny amount of fluid through the headphone jack, im using stock rom, but with doomkernel v9, after exposed to the little amount of fluid, it suddenly shut down and turn on again, but then the rom appear what it says at the bottom left "Safe Mode", at first i thought theres nothing to worry about, just reboot then everything back to normal... but when i done that, the LED indicator show Red color, vibrate once, few second later it vibrate 3 times and it begins to do that over and over again without even entering the boot screen... now i cant get the rom booted... Help me, what must i do?? Can i get it to work again by drying it up using a hair dryer???
It's dead, red LED, vibrate > 2 sec > 3x vibrate and reboot is an unrecoverable hardware fault.
Whatever you do, don't use heat. Put it in a bowl of dry rice with all flaps open for a day or two to absorb the liquid. If that doesn't help there is nothing to do.
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leave it in rice for a few weeks since its water resistant it will tak longer to absorb anything.
Copypasta from another thread I posted in:
Vacuum/hair-dryer are both bad ideas for electronics. The vacuum is bad because it creates a lot of static electricity, and the hair-dryer because, obviously, it heats the phone up to high temperatures.
What you should do immediately is to turn it off (hold Power and Volume up until it vibrates thrice), open all the flaps and put the phone in a bag of rice, letting the rice absorb the water for around a week or so (or at the very least 3-4 days), preferably with a drained/removed battery but this isn't really an option with Xperia Z. After this you need to make sure to get all the rice out before closing the flaps and starting it up.
Fingers crossed nothing has short circuited and/or corroded yet!
Please note: leave the phone in the rice for at least a full week with all flaps open and removable components taken out.
Thanks for the reply guys, and yeah old tricks using a bag of rice... erm, does a silica gel helps, because im using it now... hopefully...
killgrozrism said:
Thanks for the reply guys, and yeah old tricks using a bag of rice... erm, does a silica gel helps, because im using it now... hopefully...
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The silica should work better than the rice.
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XperienceD said:
The silica should work better than the rice.
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Owh ****! I really hate this kinda situation... really got me down and depressing...
killgrozrism said:
Owh ****! I really hate this kinda situation... really got me down and depressing...
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Hope it's OK. And yeah, as he said, the silica will work even better that's what it's designed for after all.
Why is nobody putting forward the fact that the OP's phone might be permanently damaged? It was powered on with fluid inside it, which may have shorted out some critical components.
In that case, no amount of time in rice or silica will do any good.
Edit, I see Rekoil mentioned shorting/corrosion above. While getting the phone near absorbent material quickly may prevent corrosion, it's likely that any shorting out of components would have happened instantly. I hope the OP's phone isn't destroyed, but I wouldn't hold much hope for it as powering on a device with fluid inside it is pretty much the worst thing that you can do.
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kingvortex said:
Why is nobody putting forward the fact that the OP's phone might be permanently damaged? It was powered on with fluid inside it, which may have shorted out some critical components.
In that case, no amount of time in rice or silica will do any good.
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Because OP probably knows that and it would be of no use to discuss it?
Rekoil said:
Because OP probably knows that and it would be of no use to discuss it?
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You'd think. But then you'd think that sense would dictate immediately powering off the device in the situation they were in.
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kingvortex said:
You'd think. But then you'd think that sense would dictate immediately powering off the device in the situation they were in.
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You gotta learn one way or another.
Rekoil said:
You gotta learn one way or another.
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The possible loss of a really expensive phone is a hard lesson to learn, but yes I agree that everyone learns somehow.
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Lesson learn, dont take for granted the water resistant features... Hope ill be able to get my phone to boot again by trying out the rice/silica method... Thanks y'all!
I've had exactly ther same problem with my Z.
The jack connector with the water sensor is really bad placed!
I've listened to music under the rain with an umbrella, i've just taken one drop directly on the sensor, so now i've the detector totally red but my phone works perfectly, when i've contacted Sony they said that not taking in charge of warranty :'(
Just be carefull with your phone if you're listening to music with this jack connector or use blutooth headset.
killgrozrism said:
Lesson learn, dont take for granted the water resistant features... Hope ill be able to get my phone to boot again by trying out the rice/silica method... Thanks y'all!
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Don't take them for granted, but that doesn't mean they are completely unreliable. Just really make sure the flaps are closed and you'll be fine.
QualQuek said:
I've had exactly ther same problem with my Z.
The jack connector with the water sensor is really bad placed!
I've listened to music under the rain with an umbrella, i've just taken one drop directly on the sensor, so now i've the detector totally red but my phone works perfectly, when i've contacted Sony they said that not taking in charge of warranty :'(
Just be carefull with your phone if you're listening to music with this jack connector or use blutooth headset.
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Getting a Bluetooth headset was a pretty obvious decision for me I must say.
QualQuek said:
I've had exactly ther same problem with my Z.
The jack connector with the water sensor is really bad placed!
I've listened to music under the rain with an umbrella, i've just taken one drop directly on the sensor, so now i've the detector totally red but my phone works perfectly, when i've contacted Sony they said that not taking in charge of warranty :'(
Just be carefull with your phone if you're listening to music with this jack connector or use blutooth headset.
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While I agree with the sentiment that you should indeed be careful with the phone, the water ingress tape is in exactly the right place. The water resistance is compromised with the flap open (even with headphones connected), therefore the tape is positioned to indicate that the flap was open when contact with water was made
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kingvortex said:
While I agree with the sentiment that you should indeed be careful with the phone, the water ingress tape is in exactly the right place. The water resistance is compromised with the flap open (even with headphones connected), therefore the tape is positioned to indicate that the flap was open when contact with water was made
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Which is why this is such a good idea for this reason as well.
Rekoil said:
Don't take them for granted, but that doesn't mean they are completely unreliable. Just really make sure the flaps are closed and you'll be fine.
Getting a Bluetooth headset was a pretty obvious decision for me I must say.
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Indeed that a wise choice, sadly i've bought with my a Bose OE2 in same time as my Xperia Z...
QualQuek said:
Indeed that a wise choice, sadly i've bought with my a Bose OE2 in same time as my Xperia Z...
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So buy a Sony SBH50 or something. That way you can use your regular headphones and still not have to open the flap for them.
My z1.touch.doesn't work.under water and when i get it.out of water is doesn't work for.almost a minute
Does it have anything related with water temperature... Because it is really cold in Egypt nowadays
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3bdalr7man said:
My z1.touch.doesn't work.under water and when i get it.out of water is doesn't work for.almost a minute
Does it have anything related with water temperature... Because it is really cold in Egypt nowadays
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The touch screen simply can't work underwater, it's just the physics of how it works. Also when it's wet it can work improperly as well. I've found though that when it's wet, if you turn the screen off then on again, it seems to remember where all the water drops are and learns to ignore them, meaning it will work quite well despite the water.
And I'm sorry, but it is not and nor has it ever been cold in Egypt . It's negative 23 C where I am from right now. That is cold
Thank you
That was helpful
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3bdalr7man said:
My z1.touch.doesn't work.under water and when i get it.out of water is doesn't work for.almost a minute
Does it have anything related with water temperature... Because it is really cold in Egypt nowadays
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Is this even an issue, considering it has a physical hardware button ?
raziel123 said:
Is this even an issue, considering it has a physical hardware button ?
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I don't think so. Mine under water, 2cm under clean water in a glass, do not working either. No signal, no touch screen, nothing. Probably it's meant to be like that, a kind of safety.
eclyptos said:
I don't think so. Mine under water, 2cm under clean water in a glass, do not working either. No signal, no touch screen, nothing. Probably it's meant to be like that, a kind of safety.
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It is a capacitive touch screen, which means that it senses your finger because it has a different conductivity than the air around it. So does water, so the water is detected across the entire touch screen and prevents the screen from differentiating your finger and all of the water.
Based on @301stSpartan's post it sounds like the touch screen has some capability to ignore inputs it thinks are invalid. I tested this a little bit and it seems to be true:
1) Lock the phone, turning the screen off.
2) Use your thumb to cover a large area of the screen.
3) Turn the screen back on, remove your thumb and quickly try to swipe where you placed your thumb. For about 0.5s, the screen will not respond to your finger. After that, it will work normally.
@xasbo, that why I said is not an issue. Even if there is some trick to make it work the touch screen I don't even try and is not the touch screen dead only under water, the signal too. We can just make pictures because maybe this is his reason.
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@xasbo, that why I said is not an issue. Even if there is some trick to make it work the touch screen I don't even try and is not the touch screen dead only under water, the signal too. We can just make pictures because maybe this is his reason.
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Sure, I was just pointing out it's not a safety thing - there's no risk of electrocution or anything like that.
xasbo said:
Sure, I was just pointing out it's not a safety thing - there's no risk of electrocution or anything like that.
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Of curse, you right, but who knows..
Hello Xda,I Crackes My Screen Yesterday,From Just A Little Impact It Cracked And I was shocked,Anyway,It's Just A kinda Crack Line In The Upper Half Of my phone,And The Touch Gone(The Touch Only Gone On the statusbar area,except That touch is working.
Ok,Will It cost Me That Much To Repair?Cause I'm Just 15 Years Old,And It Still Waterproof?(There Is Glass screen protector on It)Thanks In advance Mates.
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Hello Xda,I Crackes My Screen Yesterday,From Just A Little Impact It Cracked And I was shocked,Anyway,It's Just A kinda Crack Line In The Upper Half Of my phone,And The Touch Gone(The Touch Only Gone On the statusbar area,except That touch is working.
Ok,Will It cost Me That Much To Repair?Cause I'm Just 15 Years Old,And It Still Waterproof?(There Is Glass screen protector on It)Thanks In advance Mates.
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What country you in bud? If you are in the UK then you may get it repaired under warranty.
No Mate,i'm From Israel
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Do it your self. Check out witrigs.com for the parts and instructions plus the many videos on YouTube. Fixed mine myself. Wasn't too hard.
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Spectre51 said:
Do it your self. Check out witrigs.com for the parts and instructions plus the many videos on YouTube. Fixed mine myself. Wasn't too hard.
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But Your Phone Is Still Waterproof?
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enadhamady said:
But Your Phone Is Still Waterproof?
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You know that "uppercases" are meant for specific applications, you can't just put them on randomly, it makes it hard for people that what to help you to understand you, you can find more informations here:
http://grammar.about.com/od/punctuationandmechanics/a/Guidelines-For-Using-Capital-Letters.htm
That being said, Waterproofing is possible by making the device "airtight". So, in theory, if you can make the device "tight" after, it will be water proof. But, water will infiltrate the slightest gap that it can find. So, if their's the slightest gap, it will find it's way.
IMHO: I wouldn't try it after changing the screen. I don't even think an "official" repair center would be able to garanty that it is waterproof after a repair.
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You know that "uppercases" are meant for specific applications, you can't just put them on randomly, it makes it hard for people that what to help you to understand you, you can find more informations here:
http://grammar.about.com/od/punctuationandmechanics/a/Guidelines-For-Using-Capital-Letters.htm
That being said, Waterproofing is possible by making the device "airtight". So, in theory, if you can make the device "tight" after, it will be water proof. But, water will infiltrate the slightest gap that it can find. So, if their's the slightest gap, it will find it's way.
IMHO: I wouldn't try it after changing the screen. I don't even think an "official" repair center would be able to garanty that it is waterproof after a repair.
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Thanks For Your Reply and Knowledge,i won't put it in water until i fix it cause the pkone store guarntee me that they will make it waterproof in extra 40/50$ So Thumbs up.
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Hey guys, i have a really big question. In my country is hot now, its summer, i all day be in water ant takeing pictures with my brand new Z1, but.... I have a problem, i accidentaly cracked my back glass, not fulli, but just 1 line about... 3cm long. Line starts near sd card slot and ends about 1cm near aux port. Is it still waterproof?
Btw, i have a original protection film.
Sorry for bad english guys, i hope you understand me.
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jonke11 said:
Hey guys, i have a really big question. In my country is hot now, its summer, i all day be in water ant takeing pictures with my brand new Z1, but.... I have a problem, i accidentaly cracked my back glass, not fulli, but just 1 line about... 3cm long. Line starts near sd card slot and ends about 1cm near aux port. Is it still waterproof?
Btw, i have a original protection film.
Sorry for bad english guys, i hope you understand me.
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Man I really don't know.. I don't think you'll face issues even trying to take it underwater, but still if you don't know whether the film cracked too you should try to replace it.. If the asf is ok, then you should be ok bro....
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No....
A crack means no longer airtight.
jonke11 said:
Hey guys, i have a really big question. In my country is hot now, its summer, i all day be in water ant takeing pictures with my brand new Z1, but.... I have a problem, i accidentaly cracked my back glass, not fulli, but just 1 line about... 3cm long. Line starts near sd card slot and ends about 1cm near aux port. Is it still waterproof?
Btw, i have a original protection film.
Sorry for bad english guys, i hope you understand me.
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I...wouldn't try it. I think your phone just became "oh #*&$" accident water proof. ie. if you drop it in the neighbors pool or something on accident you're probably fine, but I wouldn't put the "1.5 meters/30 minutes" part to the test anytime soon.
This also probably compromises any warranty given on the water proofness. If they see that it has a cracked back they could easily use that as an excuse not to repair it under warranty claim.
Just like i thought guys, but i think its still waterproof, because the film helps glass keep in his place, and the edges of the glass is still glued. That crack is like hair, really small. Ill try to take a picture in the evening, because its morningright now.
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That white spot is from fingers, try to see that little line, i circle it
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I really cant see that line without sun shine, because its really small.
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Why ask us at all then if you aren't going to heed our advice anyway?
You sound like you have your mind made up, so what was the point of this thread?
Water will find it's way. If this crack is all trought, it WILL find it's way.
I jus want your opinion guys
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I jus want your opinion guys
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Well, as an engineer (electrical/electronics with experience in mechanical), my opinion is no, definitely not. I wouldn't risk it.
That being said, it sounds like you have yoour mind made up regardless.
crixley said:
Well, as an engineer (electrical/electronics with experience in mechanical), my opinion is no, definitely not. I wouldn't risk it.
That being said, it sounds like you have yoour mind made up regardless.
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Really thanks! You really answered my question!
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I'm still wondering: why shouldn't it be waterproof if the film is COMPLETELY covering the glass crack? I actually don't know if what I just said is true because I can't get a damn nothing from that pic :')
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I'm still wondering: why shouldn't it be waterproof if the film is COMPLETELY covering the glass crack? I actually don't know if what I just said is true because I can't get a damn nothing from that pic :')
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The film could have scratches or little tears in it itself...
Plus who is to say that the film isn't slightly lifted.
You are betting on a lot on a very thin layer of plastic.
Is it worth the price of a new phone?
It's like when you put beers in a cooler. Wait for the ice to melt and you'll see all the stickers on the beer bootle lift up and float on the water.
Simple physics, water will find the smallest whole, smallest gap, smalest opening and make it trough. That's the reason not all devices are IP rated, most of them don't even bother to manufacture something "tight" enough to get a rating, and even if they do, it's more likely a IPX7, not IPX8 like Xperia's.
Water is strong, and it will find its way.
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/support/discover-more/water-and-dust-resistance/ look guys, Sony xperia z1 ip58
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Yeah guys you're probably right.. The risk is not worth it
As already mentioned here.
It is not worth the risk, you get water in the phone and no warranty, because there is damage on the phone that was not there when you received the phone.
If a phone goes in that has water damage. They clean all the flaps to ensure no debris, then close them, then test the phone to ensure that the phone is watertight at 1.5m for about 30 minutes.
Water in phone = warranty, no water in phone = no warranty. It would be determined that water in the phone had to be lack of care from the user, not keeping flaps clean, closing them properly or even leaving them open.
Further to this, I am certain they would just say the crack in the glass was the issue, again deemed to be user negligence.
I've faced this problem before. I drop my phone on 3 feet high, and crack my front tempered glass protector. And guess what? My phone dead when I submerged it underwater for less than 30s. And yes, water going inside.
if you got air tester machine u lucky but i recommend you bring to sony center
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