[Q] 2yr phone? - Moto X Q&A

I was talking with a friend the other day who is also tech savvy, and he said his only worry about the Moto X was the questionable future of Motorola. Obviously if they were to go away, we would stop getting updates. This seems a little unlikely though given they just started manufacturing phones under google, doesn't it?

mikeosu said:
I was talking with a friend the other day who is also tech savvy, and he said his only worry about the Moto X was the questionable future of Motorola. Obviously if they were to go away, we would stop getting updates. This seems a little unlikely though given they just started manufacturing phones under google, doesn't it?
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They still sell well on Verizon, and now that they have a presence on multiple carriers I don't think they're going to be going away anytime soon. We will know for sure if someone would release some sales numbers on the Moto X. All I can think of is it has been out for over a month now and no price drops yet!

mikeosu said:
I was talking with a friend the other day who is also tech savvy, and he said his only worry about the Moto X was the questionable future of Motorola. Obviously if they were to go away, we would stop getting updates. This seems a little unlikely though given they just started manufacturing phones under google, doesn't it?
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It is always a possibility. Google however is a long term investment, nobody was expecting motorola to become the new apple as soon as google took ownership. However as time goes by it is going to be harder to get rid of motorola.

You gotta look at how much other stuff Motorola makes; ever been arrested, got any military/government associates? Motorola Mobility has a parent with VERY deep pockets and the parent makes its longest green off of software that's why Nexus devices are priced so low. Google will let Moto spend what it needs like the 500 million it spent on advertising.
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I wouldn't worry about the future of Motorola as far as their mobility products go. I am a manager at a relatively busy AT&T store and they have been selling well. It's not a galaxy so the massive marketing done by Samsung does outdo Moto as far as awareness goes, but their "lazy phone" and "moto maker" ad campaign is certainly effective. Every employee in the store is looking to acquire one, and being on company lines we don't receive upgrades, we must purchase them at cost. So if multiple knowledgeable people in sales are looking to put down around ~$500 for a phone, you can say with certainty it is a good phone. Google wouldn't make such a large purchase to merely throw away or disband shortly after. Motorola with Google is here to stay.

n1ckr0th said:
I wouldn't worry about the future of Motorola as far as their mobility products go. I am a manager at a relatively busy AT&T store and they have been selling well. It's not a galaxy so the massive marketing done by Samsung does outdo Moto as far as awareness goes, but their "lazy phone" and "moto maker" ad campaign is certainly effective. Every employee in the store is looking to acquire one, and being on company lines we don't receive upgrades, we must purchase them at cost. So if multiple knowledgeable people in sales are looking to put down around ~$500 for a phone, you can say with certainty it is a good phone. Google wouldn't make such a large purchase to merely throw away or disband shortly after. Motorola with Google is here to stay.
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Good to know! I figured that was the case, but I was just curious if maybe he knew something I didn't haha.

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How i got my Bionic and how verizon made it right for me.

Hey Everyone, Sorry for the long story, i know verizon is not the best sometimes, but this goes to show that they do try to make it right, and i belive they made it right for me. i figure i would share my story with you guys.
I have been with verizon for 9 months, how i got the bionic, was my droid x2 was bad got a replacement from verizon we'll it was doa, we'll went into a verizon store, told them what happend, they gave me a brand new droid x2, we'll i went online to look at my bill, we'll they changed my contract date without my knowledge and used me early upgrade, i called verizon and talked to a manager and explained since the store made a mistake, can i take it back and get different, he said yes, i went to the store we'll the store, told me no you are sol, and they was thinking it was funny, and so did the the store manager of that verizon store, so i called verizon and explained since they used my early upgrade date and changed my contract date with my knowledge, that if they let me take the droid x2 back to the store and get the bionic since i have went thru all this with that store and them doing this and thinking it was a joke, she said let me talk to a higher up manager and i will call you back she said about an hour, she called back 20 minutes later and said ok we can do this for you, and we will change your contract back to what it was before, so i paid $300 for the Bionic free overnight shipping and no fee's, plus $50 off my monthly bill.
But she told me i had to take it back to the store where this happend, we'll it was 30 minutes from my home 1 way, so an hour trip both way's i went to the store the next day to return i can live with out a phone for a day, so i go in the store again for a 2nd time and told them verizon customer service said, i am here to return this phone and i need proof of return with a manager signature, we'll they told me NO and starting laughing at me for the 2nd time, so i went to my car and called verizon again, and told them what happend, this time verizon told me to wait until i get my Bionic, so i get my Bionic and i take my 3rd trip out there and walked in there and told them i need the manager i waited 45 minutes for the manager, once again i told the manager, i am here to return this phone and i need proof of return with your signature, she told me no, and then she started calling verizon and saying you are wrong we wont take this back, and who ever told you this is wrong, and was laughing at me to my face.
so i go outside while my friend is in the store and they are all texting each other about this and laughing about this, we'll i got on the phone to a verizon customer service rep, explained what happend, and told him how they were telling me i am wrong, and was telling them that it is noted in my account, he put me on hold for 5 minutes.
best part of my day, he said put her on the phone so i handed her the phone and said here is verizon and they want to talk to her they were talking for 30 minutes and the next thing i know i have proof the phone had been returned and she was reading the serial number off to the verizon service rep. i d\dealt with this store for 3 days and countless hours, and alot of driving, but verizon made it right in my eye's by how the customer service rep on the phone handled it.
STAY AWAY FROM THE VERIZON WIRELESS STORE IN 1130 Levis Commons Boulevard, Perrysburg
so thats how i got my Bionic
but i love this phone!!!!! its the best, very fast everything works great as it should. and i am just in love with it lol
Killz86 said:
Atrocious ramblings of horrible grammar
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This post made my eyes vomit.
Grats on the bionic. Perhaps you can use it now to look up proper grammar and punctuation. Also, just fyi, "we'll" = "We Will" not "well".
Yes sorry i dont have good grammer at all i will admit it, i wont say i do, because that will be a lie.
and thank you for your honesty
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Yes sorry i dont have good grammer at all i will admit it, i wont say i do, because that will be a lie.
and thank you for your honesty
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Great post and great example of "not blowing your top" in an extreme situation. You are to be congratulated and I sure hope you enjoy your new Bionic as much as I am enjoying mine!!
Well done!!!
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Great post and great example of "not blowing your top" in an extreme situation. You are to be congratulated and I sure hope you enjoy your new Bionic as much as I am enjoying mine!!
Well done!!!
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Thank you
no reason for me to get mad, why make it wrose and make myself look like a jackass. they did it to them selfs already.
I already left a message for there District manager
Very nice post. It's nice to see some people still have patience.
If I had verizon store reps laughing at me while I tried doing something I told would work. I would have filed a formal complaint with Verizon and made sure it was on file. I don't tolerate that stuff.
Verizon has always done well by me when problems have popped up. I have gotten credits on my phone bill of $25 at least twice that I can remember.
I did found out the district manager's number and called and left a message and see if she calls back or not, if not i will being calling verizon and make sure i get it dealt with.
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STAY AWAY FROM THE VERIZON WIRELESS STORE IN 1130 Levis Commons Boulevard, Perrysburg
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Yes, I would find a new store run by someone else. Win some/lose some. Glad they finally made it right.
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I did found out the district manager's number and called and left a message and see if she calls back or not, if not i will being calling verizon and make sure i get it dealt with.
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If she has any shred of integrity she'll call back. Hope she does.
Out of curiosity, what was the reason the manager gave for refusing the return? If you were within your 14day WFG period, they can't refuse unless the device had been damaged in some way.
Also, and this is just FYI, there is nothing for the manager/Rep/anyone to sign to validate the return. Returning anything, either a case or phone or car charger, generates its own order number and is attached to the remarks in the account. The order number is also present on your reciept.
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Banggugyangu said:
This post made my eyes vomit.
Grats on the bionic. Perhaps you can use it now to look up proper grammar and punctuation. Also, just fyi, "we'll" = "We Will" not "well".
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You know what you self absorbed, self righteous know nothing foot in mouth bonehead of death?
English is not everyone's first language. If you have trouble reading posts, move along and buy yourself a 1st grade education....especially the helmet boy certified program where your brain learns to deduce what was meant based on comprehension and rudimentary deduction skills you obviously missed out on all because you were too busy peeing your pants and stealing 1% cartons of milk....mmmm K?
It's no wonder why there is so much estrogen in baby formula....it turns men into babies who expect via bigotry and prepubescent baby booboo passive aggressive character denigration based on a post by someone who obviously hasn't grammatical perfection yet has to put up with an English speaking twit who cannot afford a fellow member a modicum of latitude considering his sentence structure/syntax don't appear impeccible by your grandiose expectation(s) all because mommy forgot to hug you before tying your shoes...
Don't be a jerkoff.
Inform a mod if his posts offend you....need some patience, understanding and some much needed acceptance, you do.
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Different phone, same predicament...
Each and every corporate retail location I've dealt with (be it csr, super or actual store gm) they are NOT obligated to accept a return or exchange "IF" said item (be it accessory or phone) has been ordered/purchased over the phone OR online...
Technically the Store does not want the added inventory and technically it is against the terms ajd conditions because as we all know...everything comes down to contracts, and what is exclusionary or inclusionary of which the return of said item falls directly under the aptly ambiguous return/exchange policy which, does NOT differentiate Verizon Wireless entities via the location of the point of sale...
So what does the brick and mortar say? This:
"If you look inside of your box...there is a return shipping label..." then they tell you:
"I can return it for you no problem....but all I'm going to do is out it back in the box, tape and ship it....but I won't return it here because the inventories do not match up," which smells like melted BS...
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Out of curiosity, what was the reason the manager gave for refusing the return? If you were within your 14day WFG period, they can't refuse unless the device had been damaged in some way.
Also, and this is just FYI, there is nothing for the manager/Rep/anyone to sign to validate the return. Returning anything, either a case or phone or car charger, generates its own order number and is attached to the remarks in the account. The order number is also present on your reciept.
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Because she used my early upgrade and changed my contract with out my promission. and she was trying to cover it up, it was a replacement for the droid x2 and she never gave me the box/battery/back cover just the phone, but yet she used my early upgrade and changed my contract date.
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Different phone, same predicament...
Each and every corporate retail location I've dealt with (be it csr, super or actual store gm) they are NOT obligated to accept a return or exchange "IF" said item (be it accessory or phone) has been ordered/purchased over the phone OR online...
Technically the Store does not want the added inventory and technically it is against the terms ajd conditions because as we all know...everything comes down to contracts, and what is exclusionary or inclusionary of which the return of said item falls directly under the aptly ambiguous return/exchange policy which, does NOT differentiate Verizon Wireless entities via the location of the point of sale...
So what does the brick and mortar say? This:
"If you look inside of your box...there is a return shipping label..." then they tell you:
"I can return it for you no problem....but all I'm going to do is out it back in the box, tape and ship it....but I won't return it here because the inventories do not match up," which smells like melted BS...
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The only thing that can't be returned to a corporate store is something purchased at an indirect location(i.e. authorized retailer). The reason for this is because you did not purchase the item from Verizon Wireless. You purchased this item from Joe Bob's Cellular Sales who purchased it from Verizon Wireless to sell the product and service to you.
Killz86 said:
Because she used my early upgrade and changed my contract with out my promission. and she was trying to cover it up, it was a replacement for the droid x2 and she never gave me the box/battery/back cover just the phone, but yet she used my early upgrade and changed my contract date.
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? This does not make sense. Btw, I'm not trying to defend her or anything, just trying to figure out what she was trying to do.
If you receive a replacement phone without a box/battery/backcover, then you have received a warranty replacement phone. Did you pay anything out of pocket for the replacement Droid X2? An early upgrade is exactly what it sounds like. You pay the 2yr pricing of the device, plus $20, and get it right then and there inside the store.
yes i got a received a warranty replacement phone from them in store, no out of pocket cost, but what she did was used my early upgrade and changed my contract date like stated when she did the replacement she changed my account with out my promission or knowledge, and i called verizon and spoke with them and explained to them and they said, the store made a mistake and you can exchange for what ever phone you want, and when i called there they said me no, that did not happen, they did nto use my early upgrade date or change my contract.
but verizon customer service said they did, and i belive verizon customer service over a verizon store any day.
Like i said, I was just curious about your situation because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. But at the end of the day all that matters is someone took care of you and you have your shiny new phone.
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The part you quoted was in response to the other guy, not you. I'm glad you know the difference because a lot of people don't. They just see big red on the outside and assume its all the same.
Anyway, I was just curious about your situation because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. But at the end of the day all that matters is someone took care of you and you have your shiny new phone.
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i add'd above i fixed my error. to explain it better i hopefully made it clearer
Yeah I generally have good luck calling Verizon CS. I broke my Incredible by throwing it on my driveway to prove to my buddy that it wouldn't break. Well it cracked the screen.
So I had a decision to make. 20 bucks for a new screen from ebay. Or 300 for a new Bionic. I chose the Bionic. Called Verizon 20 minutes later, told the rep EXACTLY what happened... And how much I had been drinking. And he told me he would wave the early upgrade fee for me considering my situation. Just wish Verizon would allow in store pickup. I have 2 Verizon corporate stores within a mile of my house. Could have had it Saturday but now I have to wait till tomorrow, possibly Wednesday!
And yes I know throwing my Incredible on the cement was a stupid idea. But I had a lot of Jagermeister in me!
I really wanted this phone but didn't have an upgrade and didn't want to open a new line.
Nice VZW store guy allowed me to open a "new line" with the Bionic and then transferred the phone to my "old line" account. He put in an IMEI or something for an old phone so I didn't require data. It was a family share plan.
I called VZW 2 days later and said I didn't need the second line. The lady on the phone said I can sell my "old feature phone" on ebay...
Took a little work and activation fee cost, but nice little workaround.

[edited title] - This one's for the trolls. Knock yourselves out.

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Turned out most of the folks who responded to this thread were trolls who didn't read the OP anyways, so I've deleted it. If you want to see the original message, it was quoted many, many times (bummer I didn't add any photos). Since my entire point was to try to calm nerves and direct anger away from XDA, I'm deleting my OP. As of now, I'm giving this thread to the trolls. Enjoy.
Ineffective
Relatively good idea but ineffective. Reason? Google don't/won't give a damn anyway. They simply don't care and buying from another store won't make the slightest bit of difference.
What will make a difference is: Noise. And lots of it.
The only thing I think will work is if everyone who is irritated by the fact that their pre-orders are going to arrive AFTER retail stores stock and sell this device starts getting VERY noisy about it on Google+, facebook, anywhere where there is a community. Google+ would be ideal - there's already noise on there about this farce.
So it is ridiculous that a company can so blatantly alienate it's pre-order (and therefore most likely loyal and fervent) customers who would most likely evangelise about Google, it's services and products. It's the very definition of dumb and the sad truth is that they genuinely don't give a damn. They don't care at all.
I'm very tempted to simply cancel my order because if they don't care enough to organise things so that pre-order customers get their orders first then thank you very much but see you later. It's not a premium tablet and yet, I very much have a case of sour grapes going on here as I'm sure others here can relate too. It doesn't bode well for the ego in me to see that some others have ordered on other websites AND had their devices DELIVERED before Google themselves can even get their ass into gear and organise delivery for their loyal pre-order customer. I have to say - pre-ordering this product at such an early stage is/was genuinely an act of faith in that lots of us who did so didn't have all that much info to go on as to whether this product was any good. It seems that Google, like virtually EVERY other company out there simply doesn't believe or operate with the belief that treating customers well is good business sense - and why should they. They get by just fine without our tablet purchases from them thank you very much. I've invested a lot of time in Google's products and services. I'm a self-confessed, labelled "geek" and believe me - this has me pissed off enough to move to other services, and as the elder-geek in my circle of friends and family, I'd take them with me slowly but surely. Sour grapes indeed.
So: A: Google simply don't care
B: Make some noise!
alsheron said:
Relatively good idea but ineffective. Reason? Google don't/won't give a damn anyway. They simply don't care and buying from another store won't make the slightest bit of difference.
What will make a difference is: Noise. And lots of it.
The only thing I think will work is if everyone who is irritated by the fact that their pre-orders are going to arrive AFTER retail stores stock and sell this device starts getting VERY noisy about it on Google+, facebook, anywhere where there is a community. Google+ would be ideal - there's already noise on there about this farce.
So it is ridiculous that a company can so blatantly alienate it's pre-order (and therefore most likely loyal and fervent) customers who would most likely evangelise about Google, it's services and products. It's the very definition of dumb and the sad truth is that they genuinely don't give a damn. They don't care at all.
I'm very tempted to simply cancel my order because if they don't care enough to organise things so that pre-order customers get their orders first then thank you very much but see you later. It's not a premium tablet and yet, I very much have a case of sour grapes going on here as I'm sure others here can relate too. It doesn't bode well for the ego in me to see that some others have ordered on other websites AND had their devices DELIVERED before Google themselves can even get their ass into gear and organise delivery for their loyal pre-order customer. I have to say - pre-ordering this product at such an early stage is/was genuinely an act of faith in that lots of us who did so didn't have all that much info to go on as to whether this product was any good. It seems that Google, like virtually EVERY other company out there simply doesn't believe or operate with the belief that treating customers well is good business sense - and why should they. They get by just fine without our tablet purchases from them thank you very much. I've invested a lot of time in Google's products and services. I'm a self-confessed, labelled "geek" and believe me - this has me pissed off enough to move to other services, and as the elder-geek in my circle of friends and family, I'd take them with me slowly but surely. Sour grapes indeed.
So: A: Google simply don't care
B: Make some noise!
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Might I suggest reading the whole message before you start typing a reply next time?
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noble effort, but i really dont think even the slew of pissed off people on here would make a dent.
plus, those other app stores suck.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a bit pissed about the whole shipping thing... but this is the first time google had ever pissed me off and I'm a long timer user.
A few days isn't going to make that big of a difference.
Except that we do get the best warranty coverage since we bought from the Play Store. Google is going to handle our warranty stuff instead of Asus, they will ship a new one out before as soon as we say something is wrong. And pay the shipping for our broken tablet to be shipped to them.
And while this might be slightly annoying, Google is and awesome company that I use every single day.
If you want to really protest do the following:
Step 1: Switch to HotMail.
Step 2: Change your Search Engine to Bing or Yahoo.
Step 3: Sell your Android Smart Phone and Tablet to buy an iPhone, have a ton of fun loading your awesome custom Rom's onto it.
agreed, while i am mad stores have them first, let's all take a deep breathe and relax here. I got my shipping emal saturday morning so i will have my device on Tuesday, i am happy and it and looking forward to my tasty treat!
What fiasco? Google started shipping when they said they would.
Get over yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b7mwTK564o&feature=player_detailpage#t=88s
I've decided to be positive and think that it's a blessing in disguise...perhaps the early adopters will sort out issues for us so that we don't have to....
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The delay isn't what bothers me. What has annoyed me is their handling of cancelling the order. It hadn't even been shipped and they were refusing to give a refund or stop the shipment. Ridiculous.
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The most effective protests are the ones that require minimal effort. Occupy would have been effective if everyone who agreed with the ideology could afford to spend a few weeks camping in a park. The Tea Party would have been effective if everyone who agreed could afford... um... high school? You get my point.
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That Tea Party line made me completely lol! Hilarious.
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Might I suggest reading the whole message before you start typing a reply next time?
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Might I suggest a less condescending attitude. There is nothing in my message that indicates that I didn't read your initial post.
Morning! Still aint got ****. I preordered 7/2. Got charged on 7/13 though.
I think those "kids", yes i said it, have never dealt with a mass distribution like this on a grand scale. They're geeks, what do they really know about the production line. All it would've took for those geniuses to make a ****ing priority list and ship preorders first, then ship to retailers, instead of giving them stock and say, "hey, don't sell it yet". How hard is that?
Its simple yet so hard for one person to realize that over there? Im with the OP. Where's the loyalty???
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I SO AGREE with what your saying in op post. except we here on xda is a minority compared to all the android tablet users . There are not really enough of us to make a stand with the whole no buy from market thing. Nor do i think its fair. Google is really setup to sell or distribute hardware.Asus has been a mess for the past years and getting worse. I have a asus netbook that has a issue with the camera. The repair facility is 4 miles from my house. I had to mail the thing to them using UPS. THEN WAIT for them to repair it mail it to there shipping facility in chicago. 5 hours away and then ship it to me.. TRUE STORY.
SO with that all said this is a Android tablet (Kinda a TOY) .we will all get thru this launch shipping mess .We will be happy before you know it.. Lets just hope that asus has not messed up the build quality we would expect from google.
Good luck alll
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What fiasco? Google started shipping when they said they would.
Get over yourself.
... there are plenty of people who pre-ordered, and haven't heard "squat" about shipping or order completion.
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I don't think it's fair to punish a mistake, as long as they acknowledge the mistake and apologize. I don't really believe in revenge. Google has been good as a company and doesn't warrant punishment in the form of boycotting the apps from their store in my opinion. It sucks though and really Hope that they straighten this out with an apology of some sort. Regardless, i don't think I'd preorder from Google again unless i have confidence that they'll learn from this fiasco.
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Refuse shipment. Buy from someone who isn't Google or wait for the next hot thing. With all the screen issues and other QA issues, it's just waiting to receive your broken tablet and mail it back to them anyway. Refuse delivery, ship it back on their dime and buy it from a store where you can check the unit before you leave. Screw Google, screw their poor customer service and screw their Play Store.
I was tempted to cancel before but if you really wanted to stop your google from processing, refusing shipment, restocking fee, you can simply freeze ur cc or req a new card and new #. Why is that so difficult? U can also tell ur cc company its fraud, and they won't allow it to go through. BofA called me and I approved the charge.
Do it! Wake up
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Also to be fair, it's not entirely Google's fault. If everyone did a told, this wouldn't have happened. There are more than one factor than Google messed up. And I'm not going to say "screw Google"when they brought us Android!
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Intentional hype?

Am I the only one here thinking that it was part of google's plan to make it look like they sold a bunch of N4s in order to get the media's attention by bragging about how many they sold? Just Google: "nexus 4 sold out". You will find many websites reporting that nexus 4 are selling like hot cakes/or are sold out. I'm going to have to look at the next news paper, I bet we will see it in the headlines. This is wonderful news for Google. Great advertisement.
More over I would like to know what you guys think of this. Don't you think that such a rich company like Google would have for seen this?
Also the fact that the number of sold devices are not being reported, wouldn't that indicate that the amount of devices are actually not that much after all? (mentioning the # of sold units would discredit their bragging right? - Of course, only if it is not high)
Chances are they have a lot on stock but want to sell only a certain amount for the time being.
Now what would concern me is, if it actually is the truth that they ran out of supply. I mean, LG? There are few people who have faith in LG, their android update policy is enough to associate that company with incompetence.
Even with the nexus phone being an LG, they already managed to leave a bad impression in countries with no play store by announcing a price which could be nearly up to double the price of the nexus 4 in the play store.
What if LG is not able to keep up with demand? What is your say? What do you think is going on?
I visited a site that mentioned that Google has done this before, in order to see how high the demand is and to fulfill the needs a few days/weeks/month later. Was not following the galaxy nexus sale , anyone that experienced this here?
Hope this thread doesn't get closed, I could imagine some interesting discussion going on
no, just scumbags trying to make a profit by hogging all the stock
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no, just scumbags trying to make a profit by hogging all the stock
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I think it its engineered, why not Apple do it all the time
Naw, I mean, there really weren't any commercials over it or anything. Google has the money to spend on advertising for it, but they honestly didn't. I feel they just weren't too sure on when to do it themselves and that we were probably making more out of it than needed to be.
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I think it its engineered, why not Apple do it all the time
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google's site never lags
it lagged today.
It's a big global conspiracy to ruin your day. Mission accomplished.
If this was Apple then, yes, I would believe it was intentional but honestly the server was crashing. What I saw you can't fake. It was like a DDoS attack. That server was basically brought to its knees. SERIOUSLY.
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It's a big global conspiracy to ruin your day. Mission accomplished.
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The Illuminati. Yes! They are watching us!
@above: hmmm. I prefer Lg is incompetent
I think it may be a combination of Google's lack of concern about their customers combined with a poor working relationship with LG. I don't think Google wants publicity about this launch because they and LG won't come off looking too good. Google must have thought it was getting more units from LG because they had indicated they would sell the Nexus 4 via Playstore in the Netherlands and Belgium. Then at the last minute, they had to cancel those commitments because they didn't get enough units from LG. At the same time, non-US carriers selling the phone at a much higher price than Google got units ahead of launch time so their customers could physically have the phone today. Hence, you have a number of users posting threads here about problems with their brand new Nexus 4 phones, which they have in hand. So, LG shorted Google to send phones to vendors that sell the Nexus 4 at a higher price. I suspect the whole sales cycle of this phone may be marked by problems between Google and LG, resulting in supply shortages for the lower priced Google-sold phones. If consumers want the phone and don't want to wait for weeks at a time between LG's periodic shipment of a meager supply to Google, you may be forced to buy from other vendors at a higher price or, in the US, a contract commitment to T-Mobile. It looks like Google + LG= oil + water; they don't mix well.
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I think it may be a combination of Google's lack of concern about their customers combined with a poor working relationship with LG. I don't think Google wants publicity about this launch because they and LG won't come off looking too good. Google must have thought it was getting more units from LG because they had indicated they would sell the Nexus 4 via Playstore in the Netherlands and Belgium. Then at the last minute, they had to cancel those commitments because they didn't get enough units from LG. At the same time, non-US carriers selling the phone at a much higher price than Google got units ahead of launch time so their customers could physically have the phone today. Hence, you have a number of users posting threads here about problems with their brand new Nexus 4 phones, which they have in hand. So, LG shorted Google to send phones to vendors that sell the Nexus 4 at a higher price. I suspect the whole sales cycle of this phone may be marked by problems between Google and LG, resulting in supply shortages for the lower priced Google-sold phones. If consumers want the phone and don't want to wait for weeks at a time between LG's periodic shipment of a meager supply to Google, you may be forced to buy from other vendors at a higher price or, in the US, a contract commitment to T-Mobile. It looks like Google + LG= oil + water; they don't mix well.
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.... Or maybe not. That's quite the stretch.
shadehh said:
Also the fact that the number of sold devices are not being reported, wouldn't that indicate that the amount of devices are actually not that much after all? (mentioning the # of sold units would discredit their bragging right? - Of course, only if it is not high)
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It is Google's policy not to release sales figures. So it indicates absolutely nothing. Asus released some Nexus 7 sales figures last month and apparently Google was not too happy.
This is what happens when things are under-priced. Whether mandated by law (price controls) or whether a company does it out of its own desire (Nexus 4). Selling something below its true value will lead to shortages because the demand will be too heavy. Combine that with Google probably trying to not overestimate the demand in order to not build too many, it should be no surprise that it sold out so quickly.
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If this was Apple then, yes, I would believe it was intentional but honestly the server was crashing. What I saw you can't fake. It was like a DDoS attack. That server was basically brought to its knees. SERIOUSLY.
Sent from my Nexus 7
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very true... i had an N4 in my cart 8 times today (EIGHT freakin times) and each and every time i tried to proceed, i got that craptastic yellow banner telling me that something happened on the back end. their servers were absolutely hammered.
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This is what happens when things are under-priced. Whether mandated by law (price controls) or whether a company does it out of its own desire (Nexus 4). Selling something below its true value will lead to shortages because the demand will be too heavy. Combine that with Google probably trying to not overestimate the demand in order to not build too many, it should be no surprise that it sold out so quickly.
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I'm happy with the low price and even if I have to wait a year to get a nexus 4 I'm so happy Google set new standards. I don't find the price too cheap, they could have easily added 50 bucks more for all I care. But I'm glad they set new standards for great hardware all others phone manufacturers must now adjust
I waited all day, from 3:00 AM EST when it was SUPPOSED to launch, to 12:00 PM EST when the "second" launch time was "announced", resulting in two times in which the "Add to Cart" button popped up but didn't work after clicking through. The minute I step inside my house, I rush to my computer, and see a nice, red SOLD OUT sign.
It had to be either a) testing the waters in terms of demand for the device (highly unlikely), b) a publicity stunt in order to garner more (free) attention for the Nexus4 (as we say it, any publicity is good publicity), or c) as stated a shortage of devices as a result between miscommunication/communication breakdowns between LG and Google.
Thoroughly disappointed. I sold my phone (GNexus) in the hopes of upgrading for very little $, and now I'm stuck with no phone at all.
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I waited all day, from 3:00 AM EST when it was SUPPOSED to launch, to 12:00 PM EST when the "second" launch time was "announced", resulting in two times in which the "Add to Cart" button popped up but didn't work after clicking through. The minute I step inside my house, I rush to my computer, and see a nice, red SOLD OUT sign.
It had to be either a) testing the waters in terms of demand for the device (highly unlikely), b) a publicity stunt in order to garner more (free) attention for the Nexus4 (as we say it, any publicity is good publicity), or c) as stated a shortage of devices as a result between miscommunication/communication breakdowns between LG and Google.
Thoroughly disappointed. I sold my phone (GNexus) in the hopes of upgrading for very little $, and now I'm stuck with no phone at all.
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man, i feel you. i sold my gnex and my backup (g2x) device in anticipation of the nexus 4. I'm old and tired. So, i'm just going to go to my tmobile store and pick up a note 2. I got one for my wife last week and she has been completely satisfied with it. I'll re-evaluate the state of android in a couple months, whereby I might sell the note 2 to finally get the nexus 4. we'll see.
If you believe that its all a conspiracy, put your aluminum foil hat back on and go sit in the corner.
PincheKeith said:
This is what happens when things are under-priced. Whether mandated by law (price controls) or whether a company does it out of its own desire (Nexus 4). Selling something below its true value will lead to shortages because the demand will be too heavy. Combine that with Google probably trying to not overestimate the demand in order to not build too many, it should be no surprise that it sold out so quickly.
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Finally someone who understand economics.
Put gas half price today. Guess what will happen. Even if gas stations prepared. EVERYONE will gas and you can't prepare for that. Supply is driven by how valuable it is to sell. Demand is determined by how much value you get. They released a 600$ phone at 300$. Take off your tinfoil hats and go to school.
There is no conspiracy. We are talking about about a relatively small cell phone player in LG and a device with a small profit margin. Considering that both these companies are banking on the same profit model, ie, google wants large volume sales for ads and LG wants large volume to compensate for smaller net profits per phone. With the next big phone literally always around the corner, to delay sales in any way is very bad for both companies.
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I don't find the price too cheap, they could have easily added 50 bucks more for all I care.
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Then it is too cheap If people are willing to pay $400 or $450, and they sell it for $350, that's too cheap. That's why demand is (and should be!) so high.
I don't think they did this intentionally, they have a great device at a great price and it sold out.

The frustration of release dates

Why do we have to endure weeks of waiting for the release of a new Samsung device when it has been announced? All those people at the unpacked event waving the Note 4 and Edge around on stage or within the experience stands make me jealous but also make me angry.
I never see why the phones/devices cannot be on the shelves within a week of an announcement for contract free purchases. I understand there might be negotiations with carriers but why stop those with the cash in their hands?
I also would love to know who decides on which country gets a certain device and when.
Samsung is particularly bad at this. They drag their heels with pricing, release dates and availability. Surely this can be all in place prior to their events.
It's not wrong, you're right!
Apple does very well
I know. How long does it take to mole the circuit board, etc?
Its potential for cash cow. People say Oct 5th for T-mobile. Thats 4 weeks too long.
This is one thing Apple actually does very well. Release date generally follows announcement by less than 2 weeks. Pre-orders start just a few days after the announcement.
It is very annoying. I wish they'd just wait to announce until they're closer to release. Who cares if it leaks during production? Samsung isn't as bad as LG tho, they are terrible.
This article is another reason why the wait is irritating. http://www.gsmarena.com/nvidia_files_a_patent_lawsuit_against_samsung_and_qualcomm-news-9564.php
Samsung is terrible at this. Apple has almost always released within earshot knowing the hypetrain is still there. By the time Note 4 arrives iPhone6 will be on shelves. Noone outside the geekworld is hyped about a Note 4. Even casuals know a new and bigger iPhone are coming. After the S5 dissaponting sales you'd think Samsung would pull out all stops.
Shame, they could be taking advantage of the earlier announcement over apple but they're going to just let apple rake in the earlier pre orders.
for one, it's pretty obvious they need time to produce hundreds of thousands of them first., on top of that, each carrier needs time to receive the units and to do their own testing and get samsung to load things on to them, firmware,modems,etc..
surely if they were available right after announced that would mean the device was already in productions many weeks prior and shipped/stocked at all retailers before hand.. this wouldn't make sense..
this is just standard on all electronic and if you ever bought any other piece of electronic in the past, you would have known this is normal practice to announce and then begin shipping out to retailers.
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Shame, they could be taking advantage of the earlier announcement over apple but they're going to just let apple rake in the earlier pre orders.
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preorders are already open on the sprint website and have been for a couple days http://www.sprint.com/landings/samsung_note4/index.html?ECID=vanity:galaxynote4
blame the carrier if yours isn't available for preorder yet.
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for one, it's pretty obvious they need time to produce hundreds of thousands of them first., on top of that, each carrier needs time to receive the units and to do their own testing and get samsung to load things on to them, firmware,modems,etc..
surely if they were available right after announced that would mean the device was already in productions many weeks prior and shipped/stocked at all retailers before hand.. this wouldn't make sense..
this is just standard on all electronic and if you ever bought any other piece of electronic in the past, you would have known this is normal practice to announce and then begin shipping out to retailers.
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Well I already stated that I understood why there was a delay for carrier testing but I am talking about those who wish to buy outright. And if Apple and HTC can get their stock out shortly after announcements then why can't Samsung? Saying this is normal practice does not make it acceptable.
The devices shown at the launch were not prototypes, the production process has already begun and could have been stepped up prior to the launch.
Also, it still does not answer the question on pricing, release dates and country availability (for carrier free devices) these things need to be finalised before launch or very shortly after. In my opinion it's all just a tactic to build up some sort of hype
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blame the carrier if yours isn't available for preorder yet.
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Preorder is not the same thing. I only see registration for email alert. Same as T-mobile.
I find it strange that Cellphone carriers do not even concentrate in advertizing for the release of the Note 4.
This is why its nice not having carriers mess and install a bunch of bloat. I don't think carriers mess around with iPhones and install their software on it, so less time wasted on things you don't need or care about. Just get the product out and sell it.
Anyways, just poor planning really, a month is a long time in the tech world and consumer electronic hype wears off fairly fast when something else new and shiny comes out in between then.
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Saying this is normal practice does not make it acceptable.
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People love hyperbole I guess. If it is 'unacceptable' to you then buy an iPhone or HTC product.
Samsung can release its phone any dang time they feel like it - that's their business. If you don't like it, you can not buy it - that's your business.
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People love hyperbole I guess. If it is 'unacceptable' to you then buy an iPhone or HTC product.
Samsung can release its phone any dang time they feel like it - that's their business. If you don't like it, you can not buy it - that's your business.
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Well duh.. Thanks for explaining that, I feel so enlightened now.
My point of this post is for debate as to why it happens. We the consumers are entitled to complain. I am looking for logical answers not "If you don't like it buy something else" it's not bringing much to the table.
Thats why i am getting the Iphone 6 over the Note 4, it'll be available sooner and i need a high end phone bad. Good thing is ill be able to sell the iphone 6 at a great price and pick up the note 4 when its out.
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Well duh.. Thanks for explaining that, I feel so enlightened now.
My point of this post is for debate as to why it happens. We the consumers are entitled to complain. I am looking for logical answers not "If you don't like it buy something else" it's not bringing much to the table.
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There is no answer other than that is how samsung chooses to do it.
Could they hold the announcement closer to the physical release? Yes, of course they could. They just prefer to do it this way, for whatever marketing reason.
If the marketing people thought it was strategic to announce closer to physical release, they would. But clearly they don't.
If Samsung "should" copy something apple does, its their method of announcing and SHIPPING a product very quickly post launch. That is their only major issue. Why allow other OEM's to get product out the door and lose sales and yes they do lose sales and now that apple is going big and bigger on their phones next week with a launch before the Note 4 hits stores that is a big deal and some would be Note 4 buyers will get a 5.5" iphone instead, (dumb move, but it's their choice).
I fully agree with the OP and carriers are very likely the issue. Negotiations would likely have been done already, in the US anyways its likely more about last minute bloatware and who has a "bigger" tower than anything else.
I blame Verizon, for everything lol.
Apple has more control over the carriers.
Apple has more control over the carriers and the supply chain, that is why their rollouts are quicker.
iPhone 6 on the 19th
I thought this thread would be exploding with comments about how Apple can do it in less than 2 weeks.
Anything over 30 days is crazy. The battery life on my Note 2 fading away, I've been eligible for an upgrade for months.
Now that I know the specifics of the Note 4 it has given my a chance to look at other phones S5, G3, M8 or wait for Nexus X.
The longer I wait the less likely that I'll make an 'impulse buy' I'm still excited about the Note 4 but I'm weighting the cost vs features.
What's up with the pre order pages on Samsung.com and Sprint.com? Did I actually pretty order or was it just an email notification? I didn't even receive an email confirmation.

[Q] Motorola or play store?

Hey guys, what is the difference in ordering from the play stor vs motorola ie shipping, warranty etc. Going to try and order Wednesday a 64gb white and would like to get different opinions. Thanks
Good luck. I would try direct from Motorola.
It is the very definition of insanity to sit on a computer and hit refresh hoping for a chance to have the privilege of sending a corporation large chunks of money. Google has been doing some type of social experiment just to see how insane people actually are. I fell prey to this insanity and wasted literally hours attempting to give them my money. Not again. If they begin normal sales I may purchase one but then again I am thinking no corporation who does this sort of thing actually deserves my money. I may look elsewhere. I pulled out an old Note 1 and realized what a great device it was so the Note 4 is looking more attractive to me, even though I like/liked the original concept of Nexus and have purchased every Nexus device that came out. But if I do get one it will be direct from Motorola.
That'll teach 'em. Google still gets your money.
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That'll teach 'em. Google still gets your money.
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It is not about "teaching" anyone. It is about putting up with bulls***.
It's up to you, really. The warranty is exactly the same (It's Motorola's warranty in both cases). Google, historically, has been better about replacing defective/damaged units, but Moto has Moto Care, which is one of the cheapest accidental damage warranties out there. At this time, it doesn't look like you can buy Moto Care for a Play Store model, but that may change (and you can always get the slightly more expensive one from Fair Trade). Also, Moto's site is infinitely easier to order from right now, and they offer a payment plan, unlike Google. On the flip side, Moto charges you immediately, whereas Google only places a hold on your credit card, and doesn't actually charge you until the unit ships. Speaking of shipping, Moto ships via FedEx ground only, whereas Google offers UPS Ground, 2nd Day, and Next Day shipping options.
Pros and Cons either way. I chose Google, because of my past experiences with their replacement policies, but many people swear by Moto, so I think you'll be happy either way.
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It's up to you, really. The warranty is exactly the same (It's Motorola's warranty in both cases). Google, historically, has been better about replacing defective/damaged units, but Moto has Moto Care, which is one of the cheapest accidental damage warranties out there. At this time, it doesn't look like you can buy Moto Care for a Play Store model, but that may change (and you can always get the slightly more expensive one from Fair Trade). Also, Moto's site is infinitely easier to order from right now, and they offer a payment plan, unlike Google. On the flip side, Moto charges you immediately, whereas Google only places a hold on your credit card, and doesn't actually charge you until the unit ships. Speaking of shipping, Moto ships via FedEx ground only, whereas Google offers UPS Ground, 2nd Day, and Next Day shipping options.
Pros and Cons either way. I chose Google, because of my past experiences with their replacement policies, but many people swear by Moto, so I think you'll be happy either way.
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Ok that's what I wanted to know, thank you.
Can't will just buy insurance through the carriers? Verizon, Sprint, etc
Evidently no MotoCare for Nexus 6
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/1b06206026
In the motorola forums they said that they will not be offering Moto Care for the Nexus 6.
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https://forums.motorola.com/posts/1b06206026
In the motorola forums they said that they will not be offering Moto Care for the Nexus 6.
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That's also been refuted several times by Moto reps, including specific pricing ($85 for 2 years). At this point, it's really a guessing game, since no REAL information will come out until the Nexus 6 is actually launched. With Moto, if you didn't/can't order the extended coverage at purchase time, you can call with the device information once you receive it. We'll know for sure once people receive their devices and attempt to add coverage.
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That's also been refuted several times by Moto reps, including specific pricing ($85 for 2 years). At this point, it's really a guessing game, since no REAL information will come out until the Nexus 6 is actually launched. With Moto, if you didn't/can't order the extended coverage at purchase time, you can call with the device information once you receive it. We'll know for sure once people receive their devices and attempt to add coverage.
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Also just found this, sorry if re post, make sure and read the entire feed. At first glance it gives you the impression that moto care will not be offered, then it goes on to say it is not offered right now, but will be.
https://twitter.com/MotorolaSupport/status/531497697937985537
chrisg1548 said:
Hey guys, what is the difference in ordering from the play stor vs motorola ie shipping, warranty etc. Going to try and order Wednesday a 64gb white and would like to get different opinions. Thanks
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From my personal experience I would order from the Google Play Store. Their customer support is amazing (surprisingly) and they gave me a replacement Nexus 5 at no charge because I had set a dumbell on my screen and it smeared everywhere. It was rooted/ unlocked and they could've cared less.
I've been lurking on the n6 forum because I want one but they are hard to comeby at the moment, and I am waiting to see what ATT does with theirs, if they will have ATT bloatware and so on.
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From my personal experience I would order from the Google Play Store. Their customer support is amazing (surprisingly) and they gave me a replacement Nexus 5 at no charge because I had set a dumbell on my screen and it smeared everywhere. It was rooted/ unlocked and they could've cared less.
I've been lurking on the n6 forum because I want one but they are hard to comeby at the moment, and I am waiting to see what ATT does with theirs, if they will have ATT bloatware and so on.
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Thanks for the advice, as far as I know all models from the carriers shouldn't have bloat ware, not 100% sure.
Isn't it cheaper to order through Motorola? Free shipping and people are reporting the tax is cheaper too.
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