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Hi.
I'm going abroad on Jan 1 for 12 months and want to get the GSM version Moto X to bring it with me, but I don't know if this can be done.
The options are AT&T and T-Mobile. AT&T requires 6 months usage before they unlock, and T-Mobile requires 40 days, of which the last 7 must be in the US. So these are not options.
I then read about various "unlock" services online, but don't know how reliable these are. What are the odds they can unlock my phone, either AT&T or T-Mobile? This link: http: //www .technobuffalo.com/2013/11/14/att-unlock-changes-putting-resellers-out-of-business/ for example claims that there was a change just 1-2 months ago so that it's virtually impossible to unlock AT&T for 3rd parties now. If I buy this phone, I need to be almost 100% certain it's possible to unlock it, or it's not worth taking the risk.
Finally, would it be possible to unlock the phone by rooting it? I understand the bootloader for the T-Mobile version can be unlocked, but have no idea if, and if so how, this helps me.
Thanks in advance.
mxx2 said:
Hi.
I'm going abroad on Jan 1 for 12 months and want to get the GSM version Moto X to bring it with me, but I don't know if this can be done.
The options are AT&T and T-Mobile. AT&T requires 6 months usage before they unlock, and T-Mobile requires 40 days, of which the last 7 must be in the US. So these are not options.
I then read about various "unlock" services online, but don't know how reliable these are. What are the odds they can unlock my phone, either AT&T or T-Mobile? This link: http: //www .technobuffalo.com/2013/11/14/att-unlock-changes-putting-resellers-out-of-business/ for example claims that there was a change just 1-2 months ago so that it's virtually impossible to unlock AT&T for 3rd parties now. If I buy this phone, I need to be almost 100% certain it's possible to unlock it, or it's not worth taking the risk.
Finally, would it be possible to unlock the phone by rooting it? I understand the bootloader for the T-Mobile version can be unlocked, but have no idea if, and if so how, this helps me.
Thanks in advance.
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Many including me have unlocked their phones. I myself had the AT&T model. Sites such as cellunlocker, unlockcode247 get you the code within a couple of days 99% of the time. The 6 months/ 40 days usage only applies if you talk to the carrier CS for the code.
If you dont want to go that route, you could always get the T-Mobile version. Comes SIM unlocked OOTB. So does the DEV Ed.
Rooting does not unlock your phone. Unlocking the BL comes handy if you do a lot of flashing.
I know this doesn't answer your question (since the post above mine does) but the Nexus 5 and Moto G are two nice smartphones that come unlocked. N5 will run you 349, Moto G 179. No contract, unlocked. I prefer the Moto X, but if you want a 100% guarantee, buy an unlocked phone.
anirudh412 said:
Many including me have unlocked their phones. I myself had the AT&T model. Sites such as cellunlocker, unlockcode247 get you the code within a couple of days 99% of the time. The 6 months/ 40 days usage only applies if you talk to the carrier CS for the code.
If you dont want to go that route, you could always get the T-Mobile version. Comes SIM unlocked OOTB. So does the DEV Ed.
Rooting does not unlock your phone. Unlocking the BL comes handy if you do a lot of flashing.
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Thanks anirudh!
Are you saying that the T-Mobile Moto X without contract is NOT SIM locked to T-Mobile? It would be fantastic if that's the case. Is there an official source? I checked with Motorola a few days ago, and they told me that whatever phone I buy will be SIM locked to the operator, but they might be incorrect?
(Also, when did you unlock your AT&T phone? The article I linked says it became considerably more difficult/impossible just last month, which made me worried.)
BaconDrips said:
the Nexus 5 and Moto G are two nice smartphones that come unlocked. N5 will run you 349, Moto G 179. No contract, unlocked. I prefer the Moto X, but if you want a 100% guarantee, buy an unlocked phone.
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Thanks Bacon. Yeah, I'll fall back to the Nexus 5 if the Moto X doesn't work out.
mxx2 said:
Thanks anirudh!
Are you saying that the T-Mobile Moto X without contract is NOT SIM locked to T-Mobile? It would be fantastic if that's the case. Is there an official source? I checked with Motorola a few days ago, and they told me that whatever phone I buy will be SIM locked to the operator, but they might be incorrect?
(Also, when did you unlock your AT&T phone? The article I linked says it became considerably more difficult/impossible just last month, which made me worried.)
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mxx2 said:
Thanks Bacon. Yeah, I'll fall back to the Nexus 5 if the Moto X doesn't work out.
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Moto X WILL work out. Even though the N5 is a great phone, I hate the 'bigger is better' race we have going on today. Phones like watches are tools. They go everywhere you do. The X is so much more handy than the N5. Removing the Nav Bar and using LMT makes it even better. This is EXACTLY the phone I was looking to get for so many years.
As for unlocking, I got mine unlocked a week ago. So did plenty of others. There are several threads in the Q&A/ General section on this. If however, you dont want to go that route, get the Dev Edition which comes unlocked. Also the T-Mobile edition. And dont base your decision based on what the CS says. There dont know squat about the X. They told me theres no way T-Mobile BL can be unlocked.
mxx2 said:
Thanks anirudh!
Are you saying that the T-Mobile Moto X without contract is NOT SIM locked to T-Mobile? It would be fantastic if that's the case. Is there an official source? I checked with Motorola a few days ago, and they told me that whatever phone I buy will be SIM locked to the operator, but they might be incorrect?
(Also, when did you unlock your AT&T phone? The article I linked says it became considerably more difficult/impossible just last month, which made me worried.)
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AFAIK, the Verizon and T-Mobile versions are SIM unlocked. The system version for the T-Mobile version is ghost_row.retail (not ghost_att.ATT or ghost_verizon.Verizon), so there's actually no carrier in the the system version. So, the T-Mobile variant is just a retail version of the phone that has all of the available US GSM bands unlocked. Obviously, some carrier specific LTE bands may not be available, like Verizon's upper 700MHz band 13. It does support AT&T's lower 700MHz band 17 LTE, and of course T-Mobile, Verizon's AWS band 4 LTE though.
I am getting ready to order a couple of X's for my wife and me. I have a couple of questions....
We are with at&t. Is there a difference between the at&t branded ones and the GSM dev models? I have Googled this, but I am still confused as to whether there are hardware differences which would make the dev model less useful on at&t and whether there is bloat on the at&t model....
We have a SG4 and an iPhone 5 which still under contract which we will keep as spares for the family. I assume that we can buy the X at&t branded through Moto Maker without a contract? and just stay on the plan?
Thank you. I have spent hours on this and I am still confused, probably because it keeps changing....
I would like to know to. I'm getting ready to buy a moto x also
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AlbertoM said:
I am getting ready to order a couple of X's for my wife and me. I have a couple of questions....
We are with at&t. Is there a difference between the at&t branded ones and the GSM dev models? I have Googled this, but I am still confused as to whether there are hardware differences which would make the dev model less useful on at&t and whether there is bloat on the at&t model....
We have a SG4 and an iPhone 5 which still under contract which we will keep as spares for the family. I assume that we can buy the X at&t branded through Moto Maker without a contract? and just stay on the plan?
Thank you. I have spent hours on this and I am still confused, probably because it keeps changing....
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the developer edition are unlocked and u can unlock ur bootloader without losing ur warranty
being unlocked u can use with other carriers
if u buy at&t u can use only with at&t
if u want a phone that u can use with gsm carriers and with other carriers take or a developer edition or a unlockable one without contract
I got the T-Mobile unlockable (and unbranded!) version from Motomaker off-contract. Works great on AT&T and it beat paying the extra dough for a developer edition, since it's practically the same damn thing! (I also don't care about voiding warranty having unlocked my bootloader. I take care of my phone. If warranty is something you desire, then go dev edition or stick with your current carrier's version).
shkrmkr said:
I got the T-Mobile unlockable (and unbranded!) version from Motomaker off-contract. Works great on AT&T and it beat paying the extra dough for a developer edition, since it's practically the same damn thing! (I also don't care about voiding warranty having unlocked my bootloader. I take care of my phone. If warranty is something you desire, then go dev edition or stick with your current carrier's version).
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I'm pretty sure the developer edition is the same price as the moto maker version so it won't cost any "extra dough." And it doesn't matter how well you care for your phone. That's not what a warranty is for. It covers failures NOT caused by the user. You could wrap your phone in bubble wrap, never flash a third party app, and only use it under tightly controlled environmental conditions, insuring the phone is never exposed to any abuse, and a part could still fail, thus necessitating the use of the warranty. Which you voided by unlocking the boot loader on a non-developer edition.
You can pick either the AT&T branded one, the T-Mobile variant, or the unlocked. The T-mobile is actually unbranded, SIM unlocked and has no carrier apps.
I'm in the same boat still in contract with AT&T and purchased the T-Mobile one to leave my options open to switch to T-Mobile later and be able to purchase SIM cards for use abroad without having to fight the death star to get an unlock code.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
I'm pretty sure the developer edition is the same price as the moto maker version so it won't cost any "extra dough." And it doesn't matter how well you care for your phone. That's not what a warranty is for. It covers failures NOT caused by the user. You could wrap your phone in bubble wrap, never flash a third party app, and only use it under tightly controlled environmental conditions, insuring the phone is never exposed to any abuse, and a part could still fail, thus necessitating the use of the warranty. Which you voided by unlocking the boot loader on a non-developer edition.
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If I could've bought the developer version easily I certainly would have.
But to me...I'll risk the 400 bucks to unlock..root..etc. I have on every device I've owned. LOL. I need my customization, battery life control..etc etc.
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Buy the unlocked one. Works just fine with att. I'm in the middle of my contract and just had to go to a store and pick up a new sim
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i think it is a good mob
so if you get it feed us back
damn i hate this phone.... really regret about buying it... stupid att with his locked bootloader... cant upgrade to lollipop.
love my 2014 att moto x. yes i want to upgrade. but it is stable and working fine for me.
i have lollipop on my nexus 7 fhd. whoopty whoop. really not a big deal. seriously.
Is is the best phone that I have ever owned? No absolutely not, the battery is pretty miserable, but other than that a few other small niggles, it is a good handset.
In fact it's signal reception and its ability to cancel out detuning on the fly is pretty impressive and make me pretty impressed in that Geeky sort of way with the phone.
Dan
So you're mad because you bought a subsidized phone with a locked bootloader instead of the unsubsidized Pure Edition with an unlocked bootloader that already has Lollipop available? What am I missing here?
jeffy210 said:
So you're mad because you bought a subsidized phone with a locked bootloader instead of the unsubsidized Pure Edition with an unlocked bootloader that already has Lollipop available? What am I missing here?
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Your not missing anything. He is pissed because he chose to not buy a pure edition( or couldn't afford one) hell, I'm still paying for mine with moto's financing.
I actually did the same thing. Both Moto's financing and the AT&T Next plan are basically 0% interest loans for a set number of months for the unsubsidized price. Knowing that, I went with Moto instead as that left my Next upgrade available should I not like this phone and want to return it and get another one. At the end of the day, both are the same price, divided by the same number of months, but I was able to get a Pure edition in the process. Now had you gone for the standard 2-year agreement, that's something else entirely.
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So you're mad because you bought a subsidized phone with a locked bootloader instead of the unsubsidized Pure Edition with an unlocked bootloader that already has Lollipop available? What am I missing here?
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i dont live in usa.... i had to buy it from internet (ebay to be exactly)...
and for my luck it happens to be the ATT version.... i always have had motorola devices (moto g, moto x) and all can be unlocked bootloader... didnt know branded ones couldnt.
yunior597 said:
i dont live in usa.... i had to buy it from internet (ebay to be exactly)...
and for my luck it happens to be the ATT version.... i always have had motorola devices (moto g, moto x) and all can be unlocked bootloader... didnt know branded ones couldnt.
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Caveat emptor. You bought a phone without doing the proper research. You have nobody to blame but yourself.
Hi,
Please forgive this basic question but hopefully somebody can help me out. I want to buy a moto x 2013 and being located in the UK need a XT1052. I can't seem to find one anywhere however have found a few XT1058s on ebay.
I understand that it is a slightly different model that is meant for the AT&T network but I was wondering what consequences would be of using this phone in the UK. I appreciate that the 4g LTE bands are different, with the XT1058 only having one band (7) that is used in the UK, but would I miss out on anything else? Would I get software/firmware updates or not ie Lollipop upgrade etc? Would I miss out on anything else that might be important?
Any help appreciated
Thanks
I have one of these in Sweden, which works fine on 4G. No problems with updates as yet (I had a verizon xt926 which also worked here). If you are going to buy on eBay make sure you tell them not to upgrade it to 4.4.4 before they ship - I didn't, and am now stuck with an unrootable phone
@dextervelo if you are ok with the potential band differences for LTE/UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ and are still interested in purchasing an XT1058 for use in Europe, consider the following...
The XT1058 for ATT is SIM Locked (aka Carrier locked) and bootloader locked out of the box.
The ATT XT1058 can be SIM unlocked (carrier unlocked) by purchasing a code from one of the many stores off the internet
The ATT XT1058 currently can not be bootloader unlocked unless it has never been upgraded to 4.4.4, in which case you could use Sunshine
An XT1058 for Rogers Canada can be SIM unlocked (again you might need to purchase code from online store) and Bootloader unlocked (code available for FREE from Moto's web site, and can be used no matter what ROM is on your phone)
If you don't get an OTA, as long as the ZIP file is posted, you can still side load an OTA
be careful where you buy your XT1058 from. I've seen a few with CID: 0xDEAD and other improper values which can cause issues (one such thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/moto-x-wont-update-to-kitkat-t3015318 )
NOTE: bootloader unlocking is only needed IF you want to either root, or run a non-Moto rom or recovery.
Thanks guys, good info to know.
The phone would be coming from Hong Kong. The price is pretty good which makes me wonder if I'm going to run into problems as detailed in the linked threads. The band differences are no big problem, especially if 4g is working in Sweden as they have the similar bands for their 4g as we do.
@EuanG, do you have any reason to think you won't get an OTA lollipop update or does it not bother you?
It feels a bit too much of a gamble, i might just wait for a good condition 2nd hand one to show up or am I worrying too much?
Mine was from Hong Kong, at a price worth taking the risk. CID looks ok and the phone does have an ATT rom, but on the back it is branded - Anatel -, hopefully it will upgrade to Lollipop. At the current prices on eBay I would be tempted to buy an xt1060 developer version, ok no 4G but probably a safer bet than risking getting a wierd xt1058
I use an XT1058 ATT in Romania.Although my status bar indicates 4G,in setting/status my mobile network indicates HSPA+.
Nicolae-Daniel said:
I use an XT1058 ATT in Romania.Although my status bar indicates 4G,in setting/status my mobile network indicates HSPA+.
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That is likely due to the way the USA does things...
2/2.5G = GPRS/EDGE
3G = UMTS/HSPA
4G = HSPA+/HSPA
4G LTE = LTE
So if yours shows 4G for HSPA+ that is normal.
Can the unlocked Note 8 have access to Sprint's High Performance User Equipment (HPUE)
Can anybody answer quick, in same dilemma, prob goin to get the unlocked cause can flash sprint stuff backon and g-d forbid sprint is taken over by tmobile or someone else the phone can just be simmed to the new carrier, no new 900$ phone
MakinMoney said:
Can the unlocked Note 8 have access to Sprint's High Performance User Equipment (HPUE)
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Online specs say yes...some users have had 4g+ speeds
Hardware is same...if you have issues firmware wise, unlocked can be flashed to Sprint firmware and you will get updates from Sprint...I've tested this and even model number changed
Can I flash unlocked software on a carrier phone. I bought the Sprint variant because I wanted to avoid all the BS and now I think I'll be going over to At&t in a month and obviously would like to take my phone. I thought flashing unlocked firmware would trip Knox and really don't want to F that up.
I just tried to order from sammy site and the damm promotion for the card/charger ended last sunday, had to call them and complain that their system was down during last weekend and now i have a ticket # hoping to get the promo code when i order, there site said the promo for note 7 owners is til 10-3 but in tiny print the other is til 9-24, ****ty
TeCKNeiC said:
Can I flash unlocked software on a carrier phone. I bought the Sprint variant because I wanted to avoid all the BS and now I think I'll be going over to At&t in a month and obviously would like to take my phone. I thought flashing unlocked firmware would trip Knox and really don't want to F that up.
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Yes you can flash unlocked firmware on carrier device. Flashing factory official firmware does not trip knox...only custom flashing does