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Why I want my Nexus money back!

Problems:
extruding screen with the odd noise when you touch it
flashing graphics and lines flicker across screen
sometimes unresponsive when clicking icons
can't detect ad hoc networks (meaning lack of connection to internet phones, esp. Nokia, Symbian)
this coupled with no 3G connection (i.e. sim), gives connection on the move an added complication
drops internet connections too often for comfort
white graphics on the screen, look yellow
some bad lighting around edges of screen
apps in app store might not be for this device (more of an issue for basic users, but still frustrating),
app store lacks a Nexus 7 only feature.
cant turn it on and get started, without internet connection (that was annoying)
a camera, but you cant take pictures with it, need to get an app first (not user friendly for non techi people)
no music store
8 gb space but really its 5.8gb (they should stop selling things like that. 8gb space should mean that you get what it says in 'space').
slight strange issue; purple metal edging (why purple tint?)
poor quality speaker
should have called it something other than Nexus, hard to search internet for things specific to this device.
things i now miss and should have realised I would have, before I bought it:
- no rear camera, makes photo taking stupidly difficult.
- no memory card slot
- things are geared toward the cloud, but with all the internet issues it often means you can't connect to files on the go.
Rival to iPad? No way, why I didn't dig deeper into my pocket, I don't know.
Rival to Kindle Fire? only in power but bad quality control by google has let it down, it's a no from me.
Will I be sending it back? Yes.
Do you also feel as let down as I do? Answers below:

mesmerize_21 said:
Problems:
[*]should have called it something other than Nexus, hard to search internet for things specific to this device.
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i lolz. sending it back because you can't google. priceless.
sorry about your troubles, i guess you got the antitheses of my N7, because it's mint.

mesmerize_21 said:
Problems:
extruding screen with the odd noise when you touch it
flashing graphics and lines flicker across screen
sometimes unresponsive when clicking icons
can't detect ad hoc networks (meaning lack of connection to internet phones, esp. Nokia, Symbian)
this coupled with no 3G connection (i.e. sim), gives connection on the move an added complication
drops internet connections too often for comfort
white graphics on the screen, look yellow
some bad lighting around edges of screen
apps in app store might not be for this device (more of an issue for basic users, but still frustrating),
app store lacks a Nexus 7 only feature.
cant turn it on and get started, without internet connection (that was annoying)
a camera, but you cant take pictures with it, need to get an app first (not user friendly for non techi people)
no music store
8 gb space but really its 5.8gb (they should stop selling things like that. 8gb space should mean that you get what it says in 'space').
slight strange issue; purple metal edging (why purple tint?)
poor quality speaker
should have called it something other than Nexus, hard to search internet for things specific to this device.
things i now miss and should have realised I would have, before I bought it:
- no rear camera, makes photo taking stupidly difficult.
- no memory card slot
- things are geared toward the cloud, but with all the internet issues it often means you can't connect to files on the go.
Rival to iPad? No way, why I didn't dig deeper into my pocket, I don't know.
Rival to Kindle Fire? only in power but bad quality control by google has let it down, it's a no from me.
Will I be sending it back? Yes.
Do you also feel as let down as I do? Answers below:
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Then contact Google for a refund. I don't have any problems with my Nexus.
Sent from my Nexus 7

mesmerize_21 said:
Problems:
extruding screen with the odd noise when you touch it
flashing graphics and lines flicker across screen
sometimes unresponsive when clicking icons
can't detect ad hoc networks (meaning lack of connection to internet phones, esp. Nokia, Symbian)
this coupled with no 3G connection (i.e. sim), gives connection on the move an added complication
drops internet connections too often for comfort
white graphics on the screen, look yellow
some bad lighting around edges of screen
apps in app store might not be for this device (more of an issue for basic users, but still frustrating),
app store lacks a Nexus 7 only feature.
cant turn it on and get started, without internet connection (that was annoying)
a camera, but you cant take pictures with it, need to get an app first (not user friendly for non techi people)
no music store
8 gb space but really its 5.8gb (they should stop selling things like that. 8gb space should mean that you get what it says in 'space').
slight strange issue; purple metal edging (why purple tint?)
poor quality speaker
should have called it something other than Nexus, hard to search internet for things specific to this device.
things i now miss and should have realised I would have, before I bought it:
- no rear camera, makes photo taking stupidly difficult.
- no memory card slot
- things are geared toward the cloud, but with all the internet issues it often means you can't connect to files on the go.
Rival to iPad? No way, why I didn't dig deeper into my pocket, I don't know.
Rival to Kindle Fire? only in power but bad quality control by google has let it down, it's a no from me.
Will I be sending it back? Yes.
Do you also feel as let down as I do? Answers below:
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You got a bad unit. Happens to iPads too. For what it's worth a good unit works fantastic.
As for the bottom half of your list.... you are really complaining about no memory slot and rear camera? And that there isn't really 8GB of space? EVERY device does that. There is a music store, it's called Google Music, but feel free to use Amazon MP3 as well. You seem to have let yourself down.....

Mine is perfect and everything I thought it would be, sorry for your problems.

It sounds to me like you wanted an iPad and tried to buy the nexus to save some money.
Go ahead and get an iPad, Android is more for people who like to tinker and modify and have choices. Apple works out really well for people who want a system laid out for them that's real simple and dummy and non techie friendly. I buy them for my parents for that reason. I also have an iPad and an iPhone 4S so when I tell you that you and Android arent a match I'm not meaning any harm.
Make sure you get the 3G model iPad because they are much more picky about WiFi tether than Android.
However keep in mind that many of the negatives you don't like about Android are identical with the iPad.
And android has the play store which is a music store so I'm confused on that one and some of the other complaints, I think a lot of it was just not taking the time to learn your way around.
I'm very happy with my nexus its exceeded my expectations by far. Its in perfect condition physically and Im running an amazing custom ROM and kernel.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium

Wow. Just wow. ...First post. No way this is real. :laugh:

Sounds like a troll to me, listing things it doesn't have that are clearly stated in all reviews and spec sheets - yet you label it all as negatives & utter surprise.
Also, where is the proof of your problems?
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

U mad brah?
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_MetalHead_ said:
U mad brah?
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
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That never gets old. :laugh:

I don't even own Nexus 7 yet, and I am still debating whether or not to get one, but this is obviously trolling. Same power as the Kindle Fire that doesn't even have Bluetooth? On what planet? Lol

Love those who join a forum just to post how they dislike something, and then never to be seen again.
Mine goes everywhere with me. I don't take pictures with a 1.2MP camera (what is this, 1998?)

Almost the entire list of "missing features" were never even speculated to be in this tablet. You fail at being a smart consumer. I chuckled. Was a joke, right?

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trolling...
please close thread

Trigger the trolls and go spend 500+ on a "new" iPad. My unit is a bad ass peace of tech, I'm not going to answer every problem you stated because you don't seek out solutions to these "problems".
Once I get my new phone (current one wont recognize USB connection) I'm tethering like a mofo.

Sounds like a one post iTroll.

Just buy an iPad and go away from this forum.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

I mean, you could always just google Nexus 7.

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Logitech Tablet Keyboard for Android Review

Hello everyone. This is a quick writeup/review on the LG Keyboard. I'm typing this up from the keyboard, in fact!
Pros:
1) First off, let me say that the build quality is excellent! The keyboard looks and feels like its made from some expensive and premium plastic. It has sort of a metallic look to it.
2) They keyboard is small however the keys are big and spacious enough.You can carry this easily in a bag, since it has a flat profile and a keyboard case to go with it. The keyboard case also doubles as a stand for your tablet fr those of you going commando and not wanting to put a case on it.
3) As for typing: The keys are chiclet raised style keys. They are spaced apart and big enough to type on comfortably.
4) There is absolutely no lag whatsoever between typing the character and it appearing on the screen. Sometimes, however, there are missed keys, as in you'll have to hit a letter twice before it appears. This occurs very rarely and also depends on how much of a "wirelessly" busy area you are in.
5) When using this keyboard, it behaves exactly like a desktop keyboard. As in, when you're type on a form with multiple fields, and you press tab or shift+tab, you move from one field to the next. Hitting spacebar on a radio button or a check mark box allows you to check that area off. Alt+Tabbing is also programmed in.You can hit Ctrl+T to open a new tab. There are plenty more, but these are the few that I've noticed that I thought I should mention.
I don't know if thats the result of programming on the keyboard or the OS that does this, but its still awesome either way.
6) Full volume control as well as the ability to pause, play, skip and go back on playlists.
Cons
1) The keyboard has a number of Fn function keys, each of which calls up a specific app. There is one for email, web browser, calendar, and music. As for email, I'm using the AOSP email app, and when pressing that button, nothing happens. This might be different with other people who are using other types of email apps.
2) The web browser isn't called either
Others: This might be good or bad depending on the person
1) As for calendar, only the stock calendar is launched
2) I've set my default music playing app to Player Pro, however when pressing this, it only brings up the music app installed from google. However, to be fair, I must say that after you have a playlist going, regardless of which music player your using, you can still control the playlist (pause, play, skip, go to previous song, etc)
3) I've been typing on this with wireless on and music playing. In the past 30 minutes, battery has gone down by about 7%.
Conclusion:
I should mention that this keyboard was sold for Android 3.0+, however it was intended for 3.0. As such, it isn't 100% compatible with 4.1.1 (I'd say its 95% ). Hopefully someone can figure out a way on mapping the some of the keys that weren't working. Regardless, the doesn't stop this from being a good keyboard and an excellent buy if you're someone who needs a physical keyboard and types a lot.
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WARNING: I was using a heavy DSLR camera one handed while recording this video...so as a result, there's more shaking and moving of the camera than I would have hoped so you may get a headache or some motion sickness .
Regardless, the video is still good enough to showcase the virtues of this keyboard!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-plXnQA-KlE&feature=youtu.be
Further comments:
Please let me know if you have any questions or anything specific. I did my best in making this review and presenting pictures, so if you think there's something still missing, just post here.

Nice writeup. Been lookin for a reason to get this. My HP touchpad Bluetooth keyboard just doesn't cut it working on android.
A little shocking about your battery drop like that in only 30 minutes.. any improvement or change with this, now that you are using it more?
Been eyeing up the refurbished ones on eBay for $33.00.
Can you post more pics with the cover on it? Next to the 7 ?
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Xparent SkyBlue Tapatalk 2

Really interested in this keyboard, if only the price weren't so high. Does the stand work while you have your case on?
Sent from my paranoid Nexus 7.

theomni said:
I should mention that this keyboard was sold for Android 3.0+, however it was intended for 3.0. As such, it isn't 100% compatible with 4.1.1 (I'd say its 95% ). Hopefully someone can figure out a way on mapping the some of the keys that weren't working. Regardless, the doesn't stop this from being a good keyboard and an excellent buy if you're someone who needs a physical keyboard and types a lot.
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Perhaps you should take a look at this? http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159538

Ah, thank you!
But in order for that method to work, you need to be rooted and install a few APKs. I was hoping to do this without cluttering my apps drawer.
Edit: New pictures have been added to the original post. As of right now, I'm uploading a video onto youtube on the keyboard and typing. However, I MUST warn you all: I tried looking back at my camera work and I realized there's quite a bit of movement. I kinda got motion sick and have a headache (lol) so this is a fair warning to you. Just skip around throughout the video.

Video and more pictures added!

i have the chance to get the ipad variant of this quite cheaply (can't find the android version in the uk anyway)
does anyone know if the ipad version would work with android?

ajpettit said:
i have the chance to get the ipad variant of this quite cheaply (can't find the android version in the uk anyway)
does anyone know if the ipad version would work with android?
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It works, my wife has one. I had some weirdness the first time I connected it, the shift key kept "sticking" but after that it was okay. Control, Alt works.. Some of the media stuff works, including launching some stock apps.. Overall it was okay once it started working right, not sure if it'll happen randomly or just that "first time".
Android will have more Android-specific functions, like Home, Back, Recents, etc... but you can mostly get by on the keyboard, especially if you don't mind poking the screen now and then.

nickles96 said:
Nice writeup. Been lookin for a reason to get this. My HP touchpad Bluetooth keyboard just doesn't cut it working on android.
A little shocking about your battery drop like that in only 30 minutes.. any improvement or change with this, now that you are using it more?
Been eyeing up the refurbished ones on eBay for $33.00.
Can you post more pics with the cover on it? Next to the 7 ?
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Xparent SkyBlue Tapatalk 2
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I've been eyeing the same thing, except on amazon. lol
OP: Can you open a note taking app and take a picture of the setup from normal typing distance?
I want to get this keyboard so I can take some notes in class, but my main concern was that I wouldn't be able to see the text or I would have to magnify so much that barely any text fits on the screen at a time.
(Yea, Transformer is better for this, but this is only one of many things I want to do. And I feel the N7 is better for.. everything else. lol)

Nippero said:
I've been eyeing the same thing, except on amazon. lol
OP: Can you open a note taking app and take a picture of the setup from normal typing distance?
I want to get this keyboard so I can take some notes in class, but my main concern was that I wouldn't be able to see the text or I would have to magnify so much that barely any text fits on the screen at a time.
(Yea, Transformer is better for this, but this is only one of many things I want to do. And I feel the N7 is better for.. everything else. lol)
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Sure. I'll do it tomorrow night.
However, I can tell you that if you use this like a laptop, you can easily read and see the text.

Nippero said:
I've been eyeing the same thing, except on amazon. lol
OP: Can you open a note taking app and take a picture of the setup from normal typing distance?
I want to get this keyboard so I can take some notes in class, but my main concern was that I wouldn't be able to see the text or I would have to magnify so much that barely any text fits on the screen at a time.
(Yea, Transformer is better for this, but this is only one of many things I want to do. And I feel the N7 is better for.. everything else. lol)
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Sorry, I just realized what you were saying.
As far as normal typing distance is concerned, why don't you put your tablet at various distances and see if you can read it. I'd imagine this would be a personal thing that is different from person to person.

I just got mine in the mail. Perfect plug and play functionality! The browser shortcut button DOES work with the AOSP browser! For some reason the email shortcut isnt linking to either my gmail or to my email cliemt - may try to manually map this later. Otherwise the keyboard is perfectly responsive, portable size while maintaining the full sized keyboard feel. I love it Highly recomend it to anyone looking for a portable bluetooth keyboard for their N7!

Hi there. I'm new here and this is my first post.
This keyboard is surprisingly good. I originally wanted a keyboard folio but they are too small. I gave the Logitech one a chance and I'm very happy with the responsiveness and the overall feel. I touch type so I need the keys to feel a certain way to type properly and this keyboard works very well.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app

Found it on Amazon for $40! Might take a chance at it as the cheapest I've seen it was $50.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=B0054L8N7M&linkCode=as2&tag=wwwgadgetgblo-20

Bump.
Sent from my really cool phone w/ a screen

I have the same keyboard I absolutely love it! Give it a 9/10 for pretty much the exact reasons in the OP. I got mine on ebay as a factory refurbished for $30 shipped and it works perfectly! Battery last a long time too on a few AAAs I would definitely recommend this to anyone who likes to have a physical keyboard!
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

Found this on clearance at Target for 42$ Love it.
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Logitech Tablet Keyboards review for android and for Ipad tested with PC
Hi guys,
I bought both the ipad version and android version of the keyboard and did some comparison using IPAD3, NEXUS 7, and Windows 7 PC.
Please have a look at it and let me know if you have any questions
I cant seem to post video because I am new so please copy and paste
"/watch?v=7F_VhaE3xrQ&list=UUvhoR5J6mXRNCLDfEmYsDjA&index=1&feature=plcp" after typing in youtube.com
or
search for "logitech tablet keyboard for android and ipad function" and look for TH0RFan
Its a bit long-winded but I did specify on comment which device is tested so you can fast foward to particular sections.
I wish I had better video capturing equipment but for the time being my SD1300 will have to do.
Cheers,

This keyboard gave me trouble to the point I gave up on it and sold it. It would timeout quickly, fail to pair about 30% of the time, and ddđooooooooooo tttttthhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiissss nnoooowww annnnnnnnddddd tthheennnnnnnnnnn.
Several calls to Logitech later and I decided to just get rid of it.

My brother got this for his Tab 10.1 and I tried it out on my Nexus. It works great. Perfect sized keys, feels good when typing. I even played GTA III with it. He told me battery life is awesome on it. He has to recharge once every 3 months.

Staying STOCK but still having it all

Hi everyone. I have been a long term reader of XDA, and finally I think I have something to contribute.
I have been a long term modder, constantly flashing new ROMS on my phone. I think I went through about 20 ROMs on my last phone the HTC One S.
But now I am hoping to stay pretty much stock as much as possible. Like a lot of you I can't wait to give Xposed framework a crack, but till then what apps get you through the day, without deciding to whack on TWRP and begin flashing?
For me here is several apps that just takes my stock N5 to the next level without needing to mod. Though some of them work best with root.
DynamicNotification Play store link
Jealous of Moto X users with their funky Active Notifications? this app is the next best thing. Take the time to tweak the settings and you might find this ticks the box. Active Notfiy is ano alternative. But I have not tested it.
Gravity Screen On/Off Play store link
This app is amazing. If you have you phone flat on the desk at work, just pick it up and it swtiches on. Imagine if your phone is trickle charging on a Qi charger, you pick it up and use it then put it down and it times out. I have the 'false turn-on protection in hand & car' checked and this means I have the best of both worlds. I can hit power and switch the screen off till I hit the power again. or not use the power button and allow gravity on off to take care of things. Awesome app.
Dashclock play store link
Probably the best app to come to take advantage of the lockcreen widgets in 4.2. Widgets on 4.4 is not enabled by default, but can be added in settings > security > Enable widgets. The good thing about the widgets on the lockscreen in 4.4 is they got it right. No stupid 'hints' every time you switch on the screen and you can easily remove the default clock on the lockscreen, and add Dashclock as your default lockscreen widget. Awesome.
START!? Play store link
Last but not least. When sticking with the GEL launcher I have found it harder to get to an app I want. It is great to be able to use the persistent Google search bar (Google now) to search using the first few letters of an app to pull it up quickly and launch it. But sometimes I dont remember the name of an app, I just know what I want. So Categories are good. I think the Aviate launcher show a lot of us that. Start!? gives you a neat overlay menu a bit like Action Launcher in which you can have any number of manually managed groups/folders of apps. I paired it with a gesture using GMD gestures so I can launch and use START!? anywhere anytime on my phone. Great app.
Stay stock everyone. Hang in there. Any other suggestions of apps that can help staying stock but still having it all, post below. cheers.
***EDIT - to include recommendations in thread by other members ***
ES File Explorer Play store link - bblzd recommended this also here

The first two apps (DynamicNotification & Gravity Screen) are both battery killers on an already average battery life. I'm still debating on going back to a Moto X, traded the first one off to get a N5... and some what regretting it. Here's the way I look at it if you have more then one app installed to mimic a native operation on another phone, then get the other phone. But I absolutely love not having to hit the power button on a phone to wake it up.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

ES File Explorer for wireless file transfers and device storage management.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.estrongs.android.pop

magicriggs said:
The first two apps (DynamicNotification & Gravity Screen) are both battery killers on an already average battery life. I'm still debating on going back to a Moto X, traded the first one off to get a N5... and some what regretting it. Here's the way I look at it if you have more then one app installed to mimic a native operation on another phone, then get the other phone. But I absolutely love not having to hit the power button on a phone to wake it up.
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I have the dynamic notification app and it doesn't take as much battery for me, maybe 10% or so. 2hr screen time and 15h 27m on battery. I check twitter and use hangouts/fb messenger alot and I was listening to music for about 3-4 hours straight.

+1 for Dash Clock.

Problem is, you came from a one s. That phone was garbage and no matter what ROM you flashed, the phone was still garbage. I had it and am not biased towards the nexus line in any way. Its a good thing you now own a nexus. The ROM scene is much larger as well as the nexus kernel scene, plus this thing is far from garbage. As far as staying stock, that's your choice, but, I can guarantee you that you will find a ROM dev if you decide to flash and most likely stick with that dev and his/her ROM series. Main reason, the nexus 5 is not garbage nor was the nexus 4. I'm not going to go into battery life, or any other spec/aspect of the nexus 5, but trust me its the best nexus device to date, and the ROMs will only improve upon that statement.

Wow Gravity Screen is awesome!
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Elisha said:
Wow Gravity Screen is awesome!
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i used to do that kind of thing with tasker. but it's a pain to set it up.. on samsung phones the speaker is on the back, so i had a tasker program to switch to speakerphone if i laid the phone face down during a call. and used the camera flash led as a really obnoxiously bright notification light.

Stay stock on developer phone?
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I definitely wanted a Moto X until the N5 came around, as a result I do want to emulate a couple features as I can from the Moto X.
DynamicNotifications is kinda buggy for me but GravityScreen works really well. What I need next is full speech navigation for the N5.

davwman said:
Problem is, you came from a one s. That phone was garbage and no matter what ROM you flashed, the phone was still garbage. I had it and am not biased towards the nexus line in any way. Its a good thing you now own a nexus. The ROM scene is much larger as well as the nexus kernel scene, plus this thing is far from garbage. As far as staying stock, that's your choice, but, I can guarantee you that you will find a ROM dev if you decide to flash and most likely stick with that dev and his/her ROM series. Main reason, the nexus 5 is not garbage nor was the nexus 4. I'm not going to go into battery life, or any other spec/aspect of the nexus 5, but trust me its the best nexus device to date, and the ROMs will only improve upon that statement.
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I had a One S as well. Its amoled screen was much better than the crappy screen on my new Nexus 5. I really miss the deep blacks. Bothers me immensely.
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davwman said:
Problem is, you came from a one s. That phone was garbage and no matter what ROM you flashed, the phone was still garbage. I had it and am not biased towards the nexus line in any way. Its a good thing you now own a nexus. The ROM scene is much larger as well as the nexus kernel scene, plus this thing is far from garbage. As far as staying stock, that's your choice, but, I can guarantee you that you will find a ROM dev if you decide to flash and most likely stick with that dev and his/her ROM series. Main reason, the nexus 5 is not garbage nor was the nexus 4. I'm not going to go into battery life, or any other spec/aspect of the nexus 5, but trust me its the best nexus device to date, and the ROMs will only improve upon that statement.
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I also had a HTC One S, S4 version, and I disagree with you totally. For me, it performed even better than HTC One X which was suposed to be flagship. The colors were awesome, only thing I don't miss is the Pentile matrix where you can see pixels even in fullHD devices as SGS4. Camera was totally awesome, when I moved to SGS3 I missed it, but even more when I moved to N4 which has crappy camera. N5 camera has way to go in order to match your "garbage" camera. Build construction was awesome, I had not any kind of scratches but I know people had. For a device released nearly 2 years ago, HOS was for me best mobile you could buy.
I'm very happy with my n5 (in HOS I tried to get AOSP and, even being good, was not that good), but anyway still think of my HOS (now my mom has it) as a very durable and capable phone.

cannondale0815 said:
I had a One S as well. Its amoled screen was much better than the crappy screen on my new Nexus 5. I really miss the deep blacks. Bothers me immensely.
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You're just used to amoled. I understand. I was once too. Give it a little time and maybe you'll "see the light" and the way a smartphone screen should look.
If you look at the quality reviews around the internet on the N5, its screen is flat out awesome.
Although it's up to you in the end. If it doesn't look good to your eyes and you're unhappy with it you could always return it.

Great thread. Thanks. Didn't know about Dynamic Notifications. Using them now, hopefully it doest kill the battery. I have been getting great battery so far on my N5.

One S
Have to put in a good word for the One S. Mine was rooted with AOKP 4.1.1 ROM and did everything I wanted--except for LTE. So I got an N5. sure the N5 is faster but the One S was a more convenient size and seemed more robustly bult. And KitKat on the N5 has a lot of--let's admit it--Google bloatware that has to be stripped off. Google is actually becoming more like Apple (do it my way!) and the carriers (Take this crapware or else!)

jbdan said:
You're just used to amoled. I understand. I was once too. Give it a little time and maybe you'll "see the light" and the way a smartphone screen should look.
If you look at the quality reviews around the internet on the N5, its screen is flat out awesome.
Although it's up to you in the end. If it doesn't look good to your eyes and you're unhappy with it you could always return it.
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Well, I like dark backgrounds. And it just looks cheap on the N5. Reminds me of an old rear projection TV where blacks weren't really blacks.
This is my set up, and believe me, it looked a lot better on my HOS. But I suppose I digress.
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Well, I like dark backgrounds. And it just looks cheap on the N5. Reminds me of an old rear projection TV where blacks weren't really blacks.
This is my set up, and believe me, it looked a lot better on my HOS. But I suppose I digress.
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Totally understand. Looks nice

Does DynamicNotifications conflict with Screen Gravity? Seems like they have some overlapping features.

bblzd said:
ES File Explorer for wireless file transfers and device storage management
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+1 on ES File Explorer

glaudrem said:
I also had a HTC One S, S4 version, and I disagree with you totally. For me, it performed even better than HTC One X which was suposed to be flagship. The colors were awesome, only thing I don't miss is the Pentile matrix where you can see pixels even in fullHD devices as SGS4. Camera was totally awesome, when I moved to SGS3 I missed it, but even more when I moved to N4 which has crappy camera. N5 camera has way to go in order to match your "garbage" camera. Build construction was awesome, I had not any kind of scratches but I know people had. For a device released nearly 2 years ago, HOS was for me best mobile you could buy.
I'm very happy with my n5 (in HOS I tried to get AOSP and, even being good, was not that good), but anyway still think of my HOS (now my mom has it) as a very durable and capable phone.
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So the one s screen looked better? :sly: whatever you say. And the one s was crap, With crap Sense bloat, crap reception, constant loss of cell service, dropped calls, non existent data service. Amoled is crap, and provides nothing but over exaggerated color. I had the one s, in fact 2 to be exact, and they both had the exact same issues. The one s was a low to mid end phone. Never mind htc's mind numbing s on annoyance, and HTC dev unlock. :banghead: the last HTC device I will ever buy.

[Q] Gear 2 vs Gear Fit

So I'm wondering what the actual differences are between the Gear 2 and Gear Fit.
I can see most of them right away:
curved screen
shape & size
internal stuff (camera, IR blaster,..)?
But what are the actual software differences?
Will I get exercise help on Gear 2 same as on Gear Fit?
Also: is that lengthy display handy in everyday life?

Here you can see my video review for Gear Fit.
You can find out what apps does it have, how you can charge it and with which devices is it compatible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq-yS2dWQKc

Gear Fit is just a dumb (as in OS absent) watch with fitness functions and LED
Gear 2 is a smart watch that run Tizen OS.
Gear 1 is a smart watch that runs Android.

klau1 said:
Gear Fit is just a dumb (as in OS absent) watch with fitness functions and LED
Gear 2 is a smart watch that run Tizen OS.
Gear 1 is a smart watch that runs Android.
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Wrong to say it is Dumb, shows no reading of any reviews.
The Gear Fit, is a smart watch it will show notifications, it will run apps and this is my opinion looks great.
The Gear fit does have a priority OS real time OS, you are not likely to get many new apps but a few may come.
Remember the Gear 2 runs Tizen good luck getting apps for that as well.
At $100 less expensive than the Gear 2, and everything I need I may get the Gear Fit but I will never buy a Gear 2.

AstroDigital said:
Wrong to say it is Dumb, shows no reading of any reviews.
The Gear Fit, is a smart watch it will show notifications, it will run apps and this is my opinion looks great.
The Gear fit does have a priority OS real time OS, you are not likely to get many new apps but a few may come.
Remember the Gear 2 runs Tizen good luck getting apps for that as well.
At $100 less expensive than the Gear 2, and everything I need I may get the Gear Fit but I will never buy a Gear 2.
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Just because it runs apps doesn't make it smart.
The Motorola V3 runs jar apps you can install, but it's still considered a Dumb Phone.
DUMB PHONE = FEATURE PHONE
FEATURE PHONE is Marketing BS for DUMB PHONE
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klau1 said:
Just because it runs apps doesn't make it smart.
The Motorola V3 runs jar apps you can install, but it's still considered a Dumb Phone.
DUMB PHONE = FEATURE PHONE
http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/62894/feature-phone
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I am not going to argue, what do I care what you think in my opinion it is a smart device.
And who cares about the V3, I owned own and was not stupid enough to call it a dumb phone. It did more than make calls maybe less that an iPhone which did not even exist at the time.
A smart device is an electronic device, generally connected to other devices or networks via different protocols such as Bluetooth, NFC, WiFi, 3G, etc., that can operate to some extent interactively and autonomously.
The Gear Fit meets the definition, to think of the Gear Fit as a Timex is wrong.

It's not about what I think.
It's what the academic definition has defined. No Dumb Phone is not synonymous of "Timex Watch". Timex Watch is synonymous to a basic phone with basic calling functions.
But merely having a couple apps and Bluetooth does not make it a Smart Phone.
Are you a member of society? Did you go to school? Are you an educated person? If so, remember how you were taught DEFINITIONS that the rest of society has Established?
If you don't follow the rules, and agree to commonly defined vocabulary, you don't belong to society.
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It's a dumb device.
You can't even develop apps for the Fit. Samsung's not going to release an SDK for it.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/samsung-gear-fit-isn-t-an-android-or-tizen-device

And where did you think I got the definition?
Made it up?
According the definition of a smart device the Gear Fit is one,
A smart device is an electronic device, generally connected to other devices or networks via different protocols such as Bluetooth, NFC, WiFi, 3G, etc., that can operate to some extent interactively and autonomously.
You gave a definition of a featured phone, the Gear, Gear II, are not phones.

Smart Device is just a term on the binary scale to differentiate things like a Fridge with a computer or one without a computer. Or a DVD player with WiFi or not.
But if you map it to the Phone scale (which is more appropriate), since every watch, like every phone already has a computer, it would fit into the Dumb category.
By Smart Device definition, every phone would be "smart" since it meets that definition.
But not every phone is a smart phone by the definitions on the phone scale
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If it makes things more clear, think of the Fit as a device with a Dumb OS.
It's a smart device, just as my Nest Thermostat is a smart device.
But it's a meaningless measure when applied to watches, you won't be able to tell the difference between a watch with a user configurable file system, installable apps, TO ones stuck without any flexibility like a Feature Phone AKA Dumb Phone
So it's clear that mapping watches to the phone smartness scale is much more meaningful and insightful than merely generic device smartness scale.

You can not compare a smartwatch with a phone, sorry.
Well not I can not.
A smartwatch first.
Tells time.
But to make and or receive phone calls, no smartwatch works without a cell phone. You know the device that makes calls?
And dumb OS, ..... sorry I can not take you seriously and if I come back I have to say thing I may regret.
A watch that offers notifications, fitness apps, syncs to you device. The OS is simpler but not dumb.
This is and advantage, I own a Gear I only use it to receive notifications the rest is over kill.
A good explanation.....
An RTOS is a far simpler OS than Android, Tizen or iOS and is dedicated to a very specific set of tasks, enabling it to process data without delay.
This means despite the Gear Fit’s smaller memory and slower processor, it can still last longer than the Gear 2 and still competently process all your fitness tasks.
The Gear Fit is focused on features like heart rate monitoring and step counting, so RTOS will allow the device to display more accurate and timely data.
Read more at http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...n-android-or-tizen-device#MrUwCZDakjYGdKTX.99

AstroDigital said:
You can not compare a smartwatch with a phone, sorry.
Well not I can not.
A smartwatch first.
Tells time.
But to make and or receive phone calls, no smartwatch works without a cell phone. You know the device that makes calls?
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Actually, there are already Smart Watches in more Cell Technology dependent areas like China that have built-in Cell Phone capabilities, and that's let alone the fact that Gear 2 will have a version that takes SIM.
AstroDigital said:
And dumb OS, ..... sorry I can not take you seriously and if I come back I have to say thing I may regret.
A watch that offers notifications, fitness apps, syncs to you device. The OS is simpler but not dumb.
This is and advantage, I own a Gear I only use it to receive notifications the rest is over kill.
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No offense, but this mentality that something should just do what it's "MEANT" to do, is what hinders innovation.
It's what drove RIM, Palm Inc into the ground.
Pocket PC killed Palm Inc precisely because people were drawn to a PDA capable of being MORE THAN a PDA.
I never knew why some dinosaurs wanted to buy Palm Pilots once Pocket PCs were here. Turns out I was on the right side of history, and you see companies trying to stuff as much functionality into a device as physically possible. :laugh:
Why not push the envelop?
Why not have everything in one device?
You will see one day a device that's a medical tricorder, medical dispenser, communicator, personal computer, feeds the UI into your contact lens, phantom headphone (ultrasonic directional sound waves that travel directly into your ear before becoming audible without needing physical headphones).
AstroDigital said:
A good explanation.....
An RTOS is a far simpler OS than Android, Tizen or iOS and is dedicated to a very specific set of tasks, enabling it to process data without delay.
This means despite the Gear Fit’s smaller memory and slower processor, it can still last longer than the Gear 2 and still competently process all your fitness tasks.
The Gear Fit is focused on features like heart rate monitoring and step counting, so RTOS will allow the device to display more accurate and timely data.
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I find that part hard to believe. So are you saying just because the OS is handling more things at once, it can't handle HRM and Pedometer properly?
So is my Nest Theromstat that handles 200 schedules and wifi, web service, is LESS accurate than an old fashion dedicated Theromstat that does ONE job?
It sounds like Marketing BS to redeem the Fit by say "It has almost ZERO other functions... BUT BUT BUT DON'T WORRY, it does what it does BETTER!!" Just don't ask our engineers, that know it's BS.

AstroDigital said:
The OS is simpler but not dumb.
This is and advantage, I own a Gear I only use it to receive notifications the rest is over kill.
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Sounds like you should have gotten the Pebble. That was solely designed for notifications and little else.
You could have saved yourself hundred dollars and gotten triple the battery life since it runs a 90nm 100MHz CPU from 10 years ago.
Simple devices for simple people...j/k but seriously.........

Pre-Ordered the Gear Fit.
Did own a Pebble hated the ink display.
Want to run apps, you can not even have a Gear 2 without a real smartphone.
After awhile I said to myself need to carry the Note 3, why not just use the Note 3 for apps.
Not simple per say but rather run real apps on my Cell phone and tablet.
The other guy with the long reply .... chill dude. No way I am reading that huge post. (likely not agree anyway)

AstroDigital said:
Pre-Ordered the Gear Fit.
Did own a Pebble hated the ink display.
Want to run apps, you can not even have a Gear 2 without a real smartphone.
After awhile I said to myself need to carry the Note 3, why not just use the Note 3 for apps.
Not simple per say but rather run real apps on my Cell phone and tablet.
The other guy with the long reply .... chill dude. No way I am reading that huge post. (likely not agree anyway)
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What's the point of reading stuff you agree with? Ever heard of the echo chamber?
You will never gain new perspective and ideas beneficial to you, your life in the long term if all you hear are the ideas already in your head.

Android or Tizen: Verdict?

I ordered the first gen Gear Smartwatch from a deal that was posted on SlickDeals earlier this week (should be here next week). I have been doing a lot of reading on the Gear and the pros & cons of Android vs Tizen...and whether root is really needed to enjoy the Gear. So I am asking all of you...what do you prefer & why? I know Tizen wins with battery life & Android wins with sideloading full Android apps...
What did all of you choose to do?
THanks!!

Tizen especially now apps are becoming available
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phil999 said:
Tizen especially now apps are becoming available
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Where can I see a list of all the apps available on Tizen? Also, can Android apps be ported over to Tizen easily? Thanks!!

I can tell you about my feelings on Tizen. The ability to root the watch and sideload apps was a nice novelty for me, but when I upgraded to Tizen, I felt like I had a new watch. It flows much better, the interface prettier, and the battery life is much improved. Tizen is dead in the water due to Android Wear and Samsung's insistence on keeping it a closed platform, but it gives new life to the Gear 1.

alprazolam said:
I can tell you about my feelings on Tizen. The ability to root the watch and sideload apps was a nice novelty for me, but when I upgraded to Tizen, I felt like I had a new watch. It flows much better, the interface prettier, and the battery life is much improved. Tizen is dead in the water due to Android Wear and Samsung's insistence on keeping it a closed platform, but it gives new life to the Gear 1.
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Thanks for your view on Tizen. To be honest I had difficulties understanding why someone would want to look at a small screen with regular android apps when you have a 5.7 inch phone in your pocket. BUT variety is also the spice of life and the ability to have all these apps on your watch IS a nice novelty. For me I think besides the stock apps I would need Evernote & My Fitness Pal on the watch. Anything else would be just for bragging to my iPhone friends what I can do with my new toy!!! LOL

List of apps i posted in the app and themes forum
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mikespe,
Thanks for this thread. I was wondering the same thing myself...whether to root my Android based Gear One or upgrade to the new OS. Still don't know for sure which I will stick with. Just rooted mine and looking to see if I can find any ROM's to install and play with. Then I will make my decision on whether to move up to Tizen. Would appreciate any other thoughts from folks on the Tizen OS.

Battery life seems better on tizen
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for me, battery life on tizen/multi-watch/custom watch face lasts about 3 days whereas android/watch styler/custom watch face would last about 1 day.
the other thing is that the tizen'ed gear can receive notifications from the watch when the screen is on. On android notifications doesn't come thru until the screen turns off. So when using Waze or other full-screen apps, I can easily glance to see what notifications i just received.
I don't miss android at all since upgrading to tizen about 3 weeks ago
edit: whats the benefit of rooting tizen? besides silencing the camera and i think increasing video length...

I have had tizen for 24 hours an missing a few of the old android apk. Like media remote for controlling the music player on my phone.
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Tyronnster said:
I have had tizen for 24 hours an missing a few of the old android apk. Like media remote for controlling the music player on my phone.
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Media remote is there. As is the new media player.
Sent from my leanKernel 3.4 powered stock 4.4.2 (NF1) SM-N900T

I'm running nexus 5 so no access to the apps store
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I changed to Tizen within the first week of its release and must admit initially i found it much better in terms of battery life , sleep monitor etc
i also liked the fact that we have an SDK and i created a couple of watchfaces that suited me
BUT the haphazard way that Samsung make the Apps available is awful and i found i could have every type of app i want using Null
I have now gone back to Android as the biggest thing for me is Notifications , under Tizen the Notification system is worse than the original gear as Samsung have changed the Message Body font to a dull grey which is difficult enough to read anyway but in sunlight its virtually impossible. That coupled with the fact that not enough of the notification is displayed makes this a waste of time for me, Good to have the better battery life but if i have to open every message on the watch that soon dissapears.
So now i'm back to Null and i use SWAPPLink and the Notifications are brilliant, loads of the message info is displayed and i feel that its actually useful again.
what i have now done is made a watch face with the info that i want using UCCW and i find it much better now
Yes the battery is nowhere near as good but for me thats a small price to pay for a watch i am enjoying for a change

machmandp said:
I changed to Tizen within the first week of its release and must admit initially i found it much better in terms of battery life , sleep monitor etc
i also liked the fact that we have an SDK and i created a couple of watchfaces that suited me
BUT the haphazard way that Samsung make the Apps available is awful and i found i could have every type of app i want using Null
I have now gone back to Android as the biggest thing for me is Notifications , under Tizen the Notification system is worse than the original gear as Samsung have changed the Message Body font to a dull grey which is difficult enough to read anyway but in sunlight its virtually impossible. That coupled with the fact that not enough of the notification is displayed makes this a waste of time for me, Good to have the better battery life but if i have to open every message on the watch that soon dissapears.
So now i'm back to Null and i use SWAPPLink and the Notifications are brilliant, loads of the message info is displayed and i feel that its actually useful again.
what i have now done is made a watch face with the info that i want using UCCW and i find it much better now
Yes the battery is nowhere near as good but for me thats a small price to pay for a watch i am enjoying for a change
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Could you just show some pictures of your screen then? I am rather curious about your UCCW modifications!

Armazia said:
Could you just show some pictures of your screen then? I am rather curious about your UCCW modifications!
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not to everyones taste but i'm liking this at the moment
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not to everyones taste but i'm liking this at the moment
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Can you still make it through a full day with that setup... That's all I'm worried about.

machmandp said:
not to everyones taste but i'm liking this at the moment
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My last question; What kind of launcher are you using? just nova?

bpdev said:
Can you still make it through a full day with that setup... That's all I'm worried about.
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i am making it through the day but i dont think it would last the night as well
but i have been using it a lot setting it up so i expect that to improve
not as good as when i was on Tizen but even then i was charging every night as i dont think i would have made 2 full days easily
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Armazia said:
My last question; What kind of launcher are you using? just nova?
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yes just Nova that came with Null

A quick update so far I have not used the watch for anything other than receiving notifications and after 7 hrs of use the battery is at 86% and that's with the display on full brightness for a while whilst I was out

Another update for you 14 hrs 48 mins and 41% left and I've been playing music on it through bluetooth so that's pretty good . I can live with that