Android or Tizen: Verdict? - Samsung Galaxy Gear

I ordered the first gen Gear Smartwatch from a deal that was posted on SlickDeals earlier this week (should be here next week). I have been doing a lot of reading on the Gear and the pros & cons of Android vs Tizen...and whether root is really needed to enjoy the Gear. So I am asking all of you...what do you prefer & why? I know Tizen wins with battery life & Android wins with sideloading full Android apps...
What did all of you choose to do?
THanks!!

Tizen especially now apps are becoming available
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phil999 said:
Tizen especially now apps are becoming available
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Where can I see a list of all the apps available on Tizen? Also, can Android apps be ported over to Tizen easily? Thanks!!

I can tell you about my feelings on Tizen. The ability to root the watch and sideload apps was a nice novelty for me, but when I upgraded to Tizen, I felt like I had a new watch. It flows much better, the interface prettier, and the battery life is much improved. Tizen is dead in the water due to Android Wear and Samsung's insistence on keeping it a closed platform, but it gives new life to the Gear 1.

alprazolam said:
I can tell you about my feelings on Tizen. The ability to root the watch and sideload apps was a nice novelty for me, but when I upgraded to Tizen, I felt like I had a new watch. It flows much better, the interface prettier, and the battery life is much improved. Tizen is dead in the water due to Android Wear and Samsung's insistence on keeping it a closed platform, but it gives new life to the Gear 1.
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Thanks for your view on Tizen. To be honest I had difficulties understanding why someone would want to look at a small screen with regular android apps when you have a 5.7 inch phone in your pocket. BUT variety is also the spice of life and the ability to have all these apps on your watch IS a nice novelty. For me I think besides the stock apps I would need Evernote & My Fitness Pal on the watch. Anything else would be just for bragging to my iPhone friends what I can do with my new toy!!! LOL

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mikespe,
Thanks for this thread. I was wondering the same thing myself...whether to root my Android based Gear One or upgrade to the new OS. Still don't know for sure which I will stick with. Just rooted mine and looking to see if I can find any ROM's to install and play with. Then I will make my decision on whether to move up to Tizen. Would appreciate any other thoughts from folks on the Tizen OS.

Battery life seems better on tizen
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for me, battery life on tizen/multi-watch/custom watch face lasts about 3 days whereas android/watch styler/custom watch face would last about 1 day.
the other thing is that the tizen'ed gear can receive notifications from the watch when the screen is on. On android notifications doesn't come thru until the screen turns off. So when using Waze or other full-screen apps, I can easily glance to see what notifications i just received.
I don't miss android at all since upgrading to tizen about 3 weeks ago
edit: whats the benefit of rooting tizen? besides silencing the camera and i think increasing video length...

I have had tizen for 24 hours an missing a few of the old android apk. Like media remote for controlling the music player on my phone.
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I have had tizen for 24 hours an missing a few of the old android apk. Like media remote for controlling the music player on my phone.
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Media remote is there. As is the new media player.
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I'm running nexus 5 so no access to the apps store
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I changed to Tizen within the first week of its release and must admit initially i found it much better in terms of battery life , sleep monitor etc
i also liked the fact that we have an SDK and i created a couple of watchfaces that suited me
BUT the haphazard way that Samsung make the Apps available is awful and i found i could have every type of app i want using Null
I have now gone back to Android as the biggest thing for me is Notifications , under Tizen the Notification system is worse than the original gear as Samsung have changed the Message Body font to a dull grey which is difficult enough to read anyway but in sunlight its virtually impossible. That coupled with the fact that not enough of the notification is displayed makes this a waste of time for me, Good to have the better battery life but if i have to open every message on the watch that soon dissapears.
So now i'm back to Null and i use SWAPPLink and the Notifications are brilliant, loads of the message info is displayed and i feel that its actually useful again.
what i have now done is made a watch face with the info that i want using UCCW and i find it much better now
Yes the battery is nowhere near as good but for me thats a small price to pay for a watch i am enjoying for a change

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I changed to Tizen within the first week of its release and must admit initially i found it much better in terms of battery life , sleep monitor etc
i also liked the fact that we have an SDK and i created a couple of watchfaces that suited me
BUT the haphazard way that Samsung make the Apps available is awful and i found i could have every type of app i want using Null
I have now gone back to Android as the biggest thing for me is Notifications , under Tizen the Notification system is worse than the original gear as Samsung have changed the Message Body font to a dull grey which is difficult enough to read anyway but in sunlight its virtually impossible. That coupled with the fact that not enough of the notification is displayed makes this a waste of time for me, Good to have the better battery life but if i have to open every message on the watch that soon dissapears.
So now i'm back to Null and i use SWAPPLink and the Notifications are brilliant, loads of the message info is displayed and i feel that its actually useful again.
what i have now done is made a watch face with the info that i want using UCCW and i find it much better now
Yes the battery is nowhere near as good but for me thats a small price to pay for a watch i am enjoying for a change
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Could you just show some pictures of your screen then? I am rather curious about your UCCW modifications!

Armazia said:
Could you just show some pictures of your screen then? I am rather curious about your UCCW modifications!
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not to everyones taste but i'm liking this at the moment
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not to everyones taste but i'm liking this at the moment
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Can you still make it through a full day with that setup... That's all I'm worried about.

machmandp said:
not to everyones taste but i'm liking this at the moment
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My last question; What kind of launcher are you using? just nova?

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Can you still make it through a full day with that setup... That's all I'm worried about.
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i am making it through the day but i dont think it would last the night as well
but i have been using it a lot setting it up so i expect that to improve
not as good as when i was on Tizen but even then i was charging every night as i dont think i would have made 2 full days easily
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My last question; What kind of launcher are you using? just nova?
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yes just Nova that came with Null

A quick update so far I have not used the watch for anything other than receiving notifications and after 7 hrs of use the battery is at 86% and that's with the display on full brightness for a while whilst I was out

Another update for you 14 hrs 48 mins and 41% left and I've been playing music on it through bluetooth so that's pretty good . I can live with that

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Samsung galaxy gear + Note II

Everyone knows I love my Note II, quad core with dedicated GPU on a 5.5 inch 720p screen. But when the galaxy gear smart watch came out it wasn't (and still isn't officially) compatible with anything but the Note III. I decided to see if I could get it to work.
After some digging I found the .apk for the galaxy gear watch manager for the note III and low and behold it installs just fine on my Note 2:
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It's not totally 100% compatible, some things I still have to work on, but it does sync contacts, take photos, show the time etc.
If you have a Samsung galaxy device and wish to get the gear, feel free to try the APK I found:
http://briananim.kicks-ass.net:9000/ftp/droidapps/gearmanager.apk
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So I was able to update my adb sideload program I always used to use and install standard .apk files after enabling usb debug:
http://briananim.kicks-ass.net:9000/ftp/droidapps/sideload_apps.zip
Here's some video of me tooling around in minecraft PE:
I didn't keep minecraft on the watch but I wanted to see if the watch could handle it.
Thus far I've installed a small calculator, and an uninstalling application to remove things I don't want to keep. I've also tried other launchers like Nova. Nova worked fine except you can't load widgets and there is no clock on the top right so the device is useless as a watch. I'll be sticking with the standard touchwiz launcher as it has a working app drawer.
I've taken the standard launcher and taken all the home screens out except for time, app drawer, and notifications so it's much more stream lined and I can get to all my apps with just one swipe. The question is, what apps do you think would be good additions to my wrist aside from calc, schedule, phone, and time? .apk links would be great too.
You can't use any apps the require a data connection as the device doesn't have wifi. I tried using pdanet tablet edition & foxfi between this and my phone via Bluetooth but it force closes unfortunately.
Can you get notifications, and which?
Still trying to figre that out. When I go into the gear manager on the phone and click "samsung apps" the manager freezes and I have to force close it.
What I can do right now is make calls, take photos / video, see my call log, tell the time. I can also see upcomming events.
I need to find a copy of the note III's s-voice to be more compatible. Anyone have an .apk? I'm not sure if it's the exact same as the s4's
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I've done a lot of reading on the gear. It's not worth it at the moment, especially since the CEO himself said the gear is lacking a little "something extra." Also, due to this, they have already started working on the gear 2. Mainly, Samsung knows they screwed up big time and Apple and Google will most likely produce something better. Your meta watch and my pebble are still better at the moment. The problem is battery life is terrible. All notifications from apps other than stock email and messaging show nothing but a notification icon with a number. You have to open up even gmail on your phone because it will not display on the gear. The metawatch and pebble showed all this from day 1 and even improved with each update. Every big tech review site has given the same statement. It looks great but fails everywhere else. Maybe if it was $100, it would be a decent accessory to have until something better comes out. However, $300 is a complete waste for a subpar overly hyped product. I wanted this device, but glad I read all the reviews. Samsung is retarded also for making it only compatible with the note 3 on release. A very stupid and limited form of marketing that will only hinder their progress. Anyway, if anyone bought it, good for you. Trust me it's better to wait as mentioned in many reviews of this device. Then again, it's smart marketing in one way because people will buy it for the cool factor, and then they will upgrade to the gear 2 because it's better. Same concept on cars. Mercedes has this trick with the E class. They've already got a 6-10 year outline of the horsepower and design of each future car. That's why it's the most changed and most bought Mercedes. Think about it before you fall for the gear.
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Still trying to figre that out. When I go into the gear manager on the phone and click "samsung apps" the manager freezes and I have to force close it.
What I can do right now is make calls, take photos / video, see my call log, tell the time. I can also see upcomming events.
I need to find a copy of the note III's s-voice to be more compatible. Anyone have an .apk? I'm not sure if it's the exact same as the s4's
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When you take photos and videos, does it get stored on local memory only, or can you transfer it to phone memory (select saving destination to N2)?
Dont believe everything you read.The gear is a perfect companion watch for the note 3 and from the post above its not bad on the note 2 and it's not even officially supported for that phone.The reviewers have really got this one wrong I have had it a week and it gets better every day
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hhadrian said:
Dont believe everything you read.The gear is a perfect companion watch for the note 3 and from the post above its not bad on the note 2 and it's not even officially supported for that phone.The reviewers have really got this one wrong I have had it a week and it gets better every day
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Is this your first smart watch? Btw, the gear isn't even waterproof - huge fail. So, the minute you forget it's on your wrist and it's raining or you wash your hands a little past your wrist, you're screwed
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Is this your first smart watch? Btw, the gear isn't even waterproof - huge fail. So, the minute you forget it's on your wrist and it's raining or you wash your hands a little past your wrist, you're screwed
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Plus most of all it costs $300...ridiculous imo
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Plus most of all it costs $300...ridiculous imo
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Agreed...and there are many top tech websites and comments by people like us on xda that agree with you, lol.
T-Mobile already sells it at 25% discount, but I think you have to buy it with N3. Yeah, unfortunately Samsung rushed into this one. It has potential since its based on modified Android 4.2 OS (or whatever 4.x), which means it will get hacked and modified at some point. But the price point of $300 is too high to make it mainstream now. Remember what happened to original Sony SW? Nobody cared about it until they dropped the price to $99 and opened SDK. Boom! It became affordable and open for XDA community to jump in with new app development and support. But with Gear, no matter rootable or not, you still will be limited by poor battery life, proprietary charging cradle (imagine forgetting it to take with you before even a 2 day trip?), and bracelet which is not replaceable and kind of flimsy looking with that camera sticking out asking to be bumped.
About a month ago if someone would have asked me what smart watch to buy at the current moment, I would suggest Pebble only (because of it being mainstream with developers support). Today, this answer would be Sony SW2 because of all the improvements (watersplash resistant, easily accessible standard micro-usb, great touch display where watch face can stay on permanently and you still get a decent multi-day battery life). My personal fav right now is Omate. Don't care about stand-alone phone (will never use it), but the whole idea of portable android device fully waterproof with a camera, micro-sd, and 600 mAh battery, and already released SDK ahead of official availability (and XDA developers already working on it now) - that intrigues me a lot!
Yes the Omate is certainly the most interesting at the moment with full Android 4.2. My only gripe with it is how thick it is. I really don't see me wearing a watch that size at the moment. Maybe in a few years I'll be saying it's too small but right now the SW2 is the largest I'll go.
The SW2 is sleek and does what I need which is be a companion to my phone, allowing me to leave my phone in my pocket a bit more especially with where I'm living at the moment :/. If Google (or anyone else) doesn't beat it by December, the SW2 will be my next gift to myself.
I've enjoyed the watch so far, even it being in my possession for less than 12 hours I'm still having fun with it. I very rarely make expensive purchases on a whim and although I did read a ton of reviews I wanted this watch more for my own curiosity more than anything.
My friends helped kickstart the pebble and if I would have known about it I too would have been on that bandwagon. So far the picture quality has been great, I've yet to take any videos however I can tell you that you can transfer the files from the watch to the phone seamlesly. I belive it does it for you after awhile or you can push them. I took some shots of my parent's dog I was watching today and the photos looks pretty good, especially on this small screen.
I like the fact that I can use multi-touch things like pinch-zoom etc. The audio controls are nice and when 4.3 comes out for the note II there will be even more things I should be able to do with this device. Samsung did say that the marketplace for this device will be open for app devs to make things for it specifically, and it can have a dozen or so apps installed at once.
Great feedback from everyone. I agree that the Sony Smart Watch 2 seems to be the best new option currently. It delivers on battery life, is splash resistant, can open and read notifications, esp with the notification pull down, and has the ability to see multiple apps on each screen similar to android phones and the Omate interface. It's definitely an improvement for the current smartwatch genre. It's actually also thinner than the Gear despite being boxier. I do like the Omate and the Neptune Pine, but they seem way too bulky and geared towards being stand alone devices despite Bluetooth 4.0 connectivity for use with smartphones. I just hope Google does one better.
The gear is the worst deal lol. A waste of $300
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BrianAnim said:
Still trying to figre that out. When I go into the gear manager on the phone and click "samsung apps" the manager freezes and I have to force close it.
What I can do right now is make calls, take photos / video, see my call log, tell the time. I can also see upcomming events.
I need to find a copy of the note III's s-voice to be more compatible. Anyone have an .apk? I'm not sure if it's the exact same as the s4's
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Note3 s voice apk can be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45948394
Hit my "THANKS" button! Come on, you can do it!
I'm going to try loading side-loading apps using the usb debug:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...real-apps-running-on-the-samsung-galaxy-gear/
Thanks premiatul however I tried that version of s-voice and it is only the BETA (as listed in it's info page) so it won't sync. It looks like I need one taken directly from the note 3 via root or something.
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I'm going to try loading side-loading apps using the usb debug:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...real-apps-running-on-the-samsung-galaxy-gear/
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Can you try to side load gmail and see if you get emails? I saw that video and dolphin browser won't work due to requiring data connection. I assume gmail would also need data. Thanks!
BrianAnim said:
I'm going to try loading side-loading apps using the usb debug:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...real-apps-running-on-the-samsung-galaxy-gear/
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So I was able to update my adb sideload program I always used to use and install standard .apk files:
http://briananim.kicks-ass.net:9000/ftp/droidapps/sideload_apps.zip
Here's some video of me tooling around in minecraft PE:
I didn't keep minecraft on the watch but I wanted to see if the watch could handle it.
Thus far I've installed a small calculator, and an uninstalling application to remove things I don't want to keep. I've also tried other launchers like Nova. Nova worked fine except you can't load widgets and there is no clock on the top right so the device is useless as a watch. I'll be sticking with the standard touchwiz launcher as it has a working app drawer.
I've taken the standard launcher and taken all the home screens out except for time, app drawer, and notifications so it's much more stream lined and I can get to all my apps with just one swipe. The question is, what apps do you think would be good additions to my wrist aside from calc, schedule, phone, and time? .apk links would be great too.
You can't use any apps the require a data connection as the device doesn't have wifi. I tried using pdanet tablet edition & foxfi between this and my phone via Bluetooth but it force closes unfortunately.
Thanks for the update bro. This thread right here is a big turn off about the Gear. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2477441
I run with my pebble and sweat a lot. Pebble is totally waterproof even in the shower. That's really pathetic on Samsung's part. They clearly didn't do enough testing.

Staying STOCK but still having it all

Hi everyone. I have been a long term reader of XDA, and finally I think I have something to contribute.
I have been a long term modder, constantly flashing new ROMS on my phone. I think I went through about 20 ROMs on my last phone the HTC One S.
But now I am hoping to stay pretty much stock as much as possible. Like a lot of you I can't wait to give Xposed framework a crack, but till then what apps get you through the day, without deciding to whack on TWRP and begin flashing?
For me here is several apps that just takes my stock N5 to the next level without needing to mod. Though some of them work best with root.
DynamicNotification Play store link
Jealous of Moto X users with their funky Active Notifications? this app is the next best thing. Take the time to tweak the settings and you might find this ticks the box. Active Notfiy is ano alternative. But I have not tested it.
Gravity Screen On/Off Play store link
This app is amazing. If you have you phone flat on the desk at work, just pick it up and it swtiches on. Imagine if your phone is trickle charging on a Qi charger, you pick it up and use it then put it down and it times out. I have the 'false turn-on protection in hand & car' checked and this means I have the best of both worlds. I can hit power and switch the screen off till I hit the power again. or not use the power button and allow gravity on off to take care of things. Awesome app.
Dashclock play store link
Probably the best app to come to take advantage of the lockcreen widgets in 4.2. Widgets on 4.4 is not enabled by default, but can be added in settings > security > Enable widgets. The good thing about the widgets on the lockscreen in 4.4 is they got it right. No stupid 'hints' every time you switch on the screen and you can easily remove the default clock on the lockscreen, and add Dashclock as your default lockscreen widget. Awesome.
START!? Play store link
Last but not least. When sticking with the GEL launcher I have found it harder to get to an app I want. It is great to be able to use the persistent Google search bar (Google now) to search using the first few letters of an app to pull it up quickly and launch it. But sometimes I dont remember the name of an app, I just know what I want. So Categories are good. I think the Aviate launcher show a lot of us that. Start!? gives you a neat overlay menu a bit like Action Launcher in which you can have any number of manually managed groups/folders of apps. I paired it with a gesture using GMD gestures so I can launch and use START!? anywhere anytime on my phone. Great app.
Stay stock everyone. Hang in there. Any other suggestions of apps that can help staying stock but still having it all, post below. cheers.
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ES File Explorer Play store link - bblzd recommended this also here
The first two apps (DynamicNotification & Gravity Screen) are both battery killers on an already average battery life. I'm still debating on going back to a Moto X, traded the first one off to get a N5... and some what regretting it. Here's the way I look at it if you have more then one app installed to mimic a native operation on another phone, then get the other phone. But I absolutely love not having to hit the power button on a phone to wake it up.
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ES File Explorer for wireless file transfers and device storage management.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.estrongs.android.pop
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The first two apps (DynamicNotification & Gravity Screen) are both battery killers on an already average battery life. I'm still debating on going back to a Moto X, traded the first one off to get a N5... and some what regretting it. Here's the way I look at it if you have more then one app installed to mimic a native operation on another phone, then get the other phone. But I absolutely love not having to hit the power button on a phone to wake it up.
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I have the dynamic notification app and it doesn't take as much battery for me, maybe 10% or so. 2hr screen time and 15h 27m on battery. I check twitter and use hangouts/fb messenger alot and I was listening to music for about 3-4 hours straight.
+1 for Dash Clock.
Problem is, you came from a one s. That phone was garbage and no matter what ROM you flashed, the phone was still garbage. I had it and am not biased towards the nexus line in any way. Its a good thing you now own a nexus. The ROM scene is much larger as well as the nexus kernel scene, plus this thing is far from garbage. As far as staying stock, that's your choice, but, I can guarantee you that you will find a ROM dev if you decide to flash and most likely stick with that dev and his/her ROM series. Main reason, the nexus 5 is not garbage nor was the nexus 4. I'm not going to go into battery life, or any other spec/aspect of the nexus 5, but trust me its the best nexus device to date, and the ROMs will only improve upon that statement.
Wow Gravity Screen is awesome!
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Wow Gravity Screen is awesome!
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i used to do that kind of thing with tasker. but it's a pain to set it up.. on samsung phones the speaker is on the back, so i had a tasker program to switch to speakerphone if i laid the phone face down during a call. and used the camera flash led as a really obnoxiously bright notification light.
Stay stock on developer phone?
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I definitely wanted a Moto X until the N5 came around, as a result I do want to emulate a couple features as I can from the Moto X.
DynamicNotifications is kinda buggy for me but GravityScreen works really well. What I need next is full speech navigation for the N5.
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Problem is, you came from a one s. That phone was garbage and no matter what ROM you flashed, the phone was still garbage. I had it and am not biased towards the nexus line in any way. Its a good thing you now own a nexus. The ROM scene is much larger as well as the nexus kernel scene, plus this thing is far from garbage. As far as staying stock, that's your choice, but, I can guarantee you that you will find a ROM dev if you decide to flash and most likely stick with that dev and his/her ROM series. Main reason, the nexus 5 is not garbage nor was the nexus 4. I'm not going to go into battery life, or any other spec/aspect of the nexus 5, but trust me its the best nexus device to date, and the ROMs will only improve upon that statement.
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I had a One S as well. Its amoled screen was much better than the crappy screen on my new Nexus 5. I really miss the deep blacks. Bothers me immensely.
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davwman said:
Problem is, you came from a one s. That phone was garbage and no matter what ROM you flashed, the phone was still garbage. I had it and am not biased towards the nexus line in any way. Its a good thing you now own a nexus. The ROM scene is much larger as well as the nexus kernel scene, plus this thing is far from garbage. As far as staying stock, that's your choice, but, I can guarantee you that you will find a ROM dev if you decide to flash and most likely stick with that dev and his/her ROM series. Main reason, the nexus 5 is not garbage nor was the nexus 4. I'm not going to go into battery life, or any other spec/aspect of the nexus 5, but trust me its the best nexus device to date, and the ROMs will only improve upon that statement.
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I also had a HTC One S, S4 version, and I disagree with you totally. For me, it performed even better than HTC One X which was suposed to be flagship. The colors were awesome, only thing I don't miss is the Pentile matrix where you can see pixels even in fullHD devices as SGS4. Camera was totally awesome, when I moved to SGS3 I missed it, but even more when I moved to N4 which has crappy camera. N5 camera has way to go in order to match your "garbage" camera. Build construction was awesome, I had not any kind of scratches but I know people had. For a device released nearly 2 years ago, HOS was for me best mobile you could buy.
I'm very happy with my n5 (in HOS I tried to get AOSP and, even being good, was not that good), but anyway still think of my HOS (now my mom has it) as a very durable and capable phone.
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I had a One S as well. Its amoled screen was much better than the crappy screen on my new Nexus 5. I really miss the deep blacks. Bothers me immensely.
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You're just used to amoled. I understand. I was once too. Give it a little time and maybe you'll "see the light" and the way a smartphone screen should look.
If you look at the quality reviews around the internet on the N5, its screen is flat out awesome.
Although it's up to you in the end. If it doesn't look good to your eyes and you're unhappy with it you could always return it.
Great thread. Thanks. Didn't know about Dynamic Notifications. Using them now, hopefully it doest kill the battery. I have been getting great battery so far on my N5.
One S
Have to put in a good word for the One S. Mine was rooted with AOKP 4.1.1 ROM and did everything I wanted--except for LTE. So I got an N5. sure the N5 is faster but the One S was a more convenient size and seemed more robustly bult. And KitKat on the N5 has a lot of--let's admit it--Google bloatware that has to be stripped off. Google is actually becoming more like Apple (do it my way!) and the carriers (Take this crapware or else!)
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You're just used to amoled. I understand. I was once too. Give it a little time and maybe you'll "see the light" and the way a smartphone screen should look.
If you look at the quality reviews around the internet on the N5, its screen is flat out awesome.
Although it's up to you in the end. If it doesn't look good to your eyes and you're unhappy with it you could always return it.
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Well, I like dark backgrounds. And it just looks cheap on the N5. Reminds me of an old rear projection TV where blacks weren't really blacks.
This is my set up, and believe me, it looked a lot better on my HOS. But I suppose I digress.
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Well, I like dark backgrounds. And it just looks cheap on the N5. Reminds me of an old rear projection TV where blacks weren't really blacks.
This is my set up, and believe me, it looked a lot better on my HOS. But I suppose I digress.
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Totally understand. Looks nice
Does DynamicNotifications conflict with Screen Gravity? Seems like they have some overlapping features.
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ES File Explorer for wireless file transfers and device storage management
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I also had a HTC One S, S4 version, and I disagree with you totally. For me, it performed even better than HTC One X which was suposed to be flagship. The colors were awesome, only thing I don't miss is the Pentile matrix where you can see pixels even in fullHD devices as SGS4. Camera was totally awesome, when I moved to SGS3 I missed it, but even more when I moved to N4 which has crappy camera. N5 camera has way to go in order to match your "garbage" camera. Build construction was awesome, I had not any kind of scratches but I know people had. For a device released nearly 2 years ago, HOS was for me best mobile you could buy.
I'm very happy with my n5 (in HOS I tried to get AOSP and, even being good, was not that good), but anyway still think of my HOS (now my mom has it) as a very durable and capable phone.
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So the one s screen looked better? :sly: whatever you say. And the one s was crap, With crap Sense bloat, crap reception, constant loss of cell service, dropped calls, non existent data service. Amoled is crap, and provides nothing but over exaggerated color. I had the one s, in fact 2 to be exact, and they both had the exact same issues. The one s was a low to mid end phone. Never mind htc's mind numbing s on annoyance, and HTC dev unlock. :banghead: the last HTC device I will ever buy.

Would you Switch to Tizen?

If the Tizen update were to come out today for the Gear 1, would you stay or switch the Tizen.
Keep in mind the Trade-offs
Android:
Pros:
Android Ecosystem (100s thousand apps)
Custom ROM
Highly Moddable
Cons:
3 day instead of 4 day battery life (source: http://www.engadget.com/2014/02/22/samsung-gear-2/ )
(currently) no Gear Specific Android SDK
few Gear Specific apps
Tizen
Pros:
4 day instead of 3 day battery life (source: http://www.engadget.com/2014/02/22/samsung-gear-2/ )
SDK Available
Possibility of more future Tizen specific apps
sports functions like hiking, cycling, etc
future upgrade path
Cons:
Few Developers with experience in Tizen
Questionable interest in Tizen ecosystem -- with announcement of Google Wear
No mods
No roms
No Android app access
I would switch, as most of the Android apps are not meant for Gear 1, so this Pro is not really valid. I believe many more Gear 2 apps will come in Tizen, and the underlying OS does not matter to me.
That pro depends on your needs.
With android you can do:
Internet tethering
File manager
Google maps
Google now
Tasker
Audio recorder
Full Facebook
Google Voice dictation
Really depends on your expectations.
The more you expect to do, the more of a plus it is.
But if you just want a stock experience then it's less of a plus.
But I really wonder if Tizen will take off with the developers knowing a universal platform, the Google Wear is right around the corner.
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That pro depends on your needs.
With android you can do:
Internet tethering
File manager
Google maps
Google now
Tasker
Audio recorder
Full Facebook
Google Voice dictation
Really depends on your expectations.
The more you expect to do, the more of a plus it is.
But if you just want a stock experience then it's less of a plus.
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You cannot do what you list if on USA AT&T
Does easy tether or any other 3rd party tether work?
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Does easy tether or any other 3rd party tether work?
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Only partially. I could not get the Google apps to go online, only the Google Search. Other apps requiring direct net connection did not work for me either. I have been back on Stock for some time now due to this limitation from AT&T.
Here, you need to install the Xposed Hack Connectivity service APK needed to spoof the network connectivity. This makes apps think there is a standard wifi network connection even when there is not.
Lots of people forget or miss this step and have the exact same problem you have.
Probably just get the file off here, no need to read the page contents, just download.
http://androidhackz.blogspot.ca/2013/07/updatedhow-to-reverse-tether.html
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Only partially. I could not get the Google apps to go online, only the Google Search. Other apps requiring direct net connection did not work for me either. I have been back on Stock for some time now due to this limitation from AT&T.
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I won't switch. There will be little to none customization, and I don't think I'll be impressed with apps. At this point I think I'd go with Neptun Pine..
hurdlejade said:
I won't switch. There will be little to none customization, and I don't think I'll be impressed with apps. At this point I think I'd go with Neptun Pine..
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7 hours of browsing on a 800mAh battery?
I think as Gear users, we all know the accuracy of that statement.
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7 hours of browsing on a 800mAh battery?
I think as Gear users, we all know the accuracy of that statement.
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Time will tell, but still, I don't want Tizen.
in some cases not even the xposed hack will work as i found out when using easy tether - it turns out google services need https connectivity so the free version of easy tether + xposed did not solve the problem. By upgrading to the pro version of easy tether i was able to start using these services. By the way love how google translate works - very convenient in a watch
using ATT Galaxy S4 stock
klau1 said:
Here, you need to install the Xposed Hack Connectivity service APK needed to spoof the network connectivity. This makes apps think there is a standard wifi network connection even when there is not.
Lots of people forget or miss this step and have the exact same problem you have.
Probably just get the file off here, no need to read the page contents, just download.
http://androidhackz.blogspot.ca/2013/07/updatedhow-to-reverse-tether.html
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highlordkram said:
You cannot do what you list if on USA AT&T
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animatechnica said:
in some cases not even the xposed hack will work as i found out when using easy tether - it turns out google services need https connectivity so the free version of easy tether + xposed did not solve the problem. By upgrading to the pro version of easy tether i was able to start using these services. By the way love how google translate works - very convenient in a watch
using ATT Galaxy S4 stock
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You like Google Translate, try Google Googles! Will translate any text, photo, sign instantly!
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I would, switch in a heart beat, I want proper smart watch app not side loaded phone apps.
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What is a proper smart watch app?
App with big buttons?
App that requires the phone as a "provider" of data?
App that the manufacturer deems as "official"?
I think I would switch to tizen only if the battery life is really really better than with the current rom...
If it was 1 week that would be awesome. Lol
Well it kind of would be longer since you won't be using it as much due to lack of tizen apps, so you'd have a long stand by time. But actual usage time would be the only slightly longer.
FixB said:
I think I would switch to tizen only if the battery life is really really better than with the current rom...
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+1
Sounds like a lot of people are wanting to switch back to Android.
I think switching to Tizen now is too much of a risk to take especially with Android Wear right around the corner. Why lose the ability to control your device and be at the mercy of Samsung by switching to Tizen and be stuck with it forever?
The only thing I like about tizen was the standalone music player. Is there a way to do that with null rom?
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Smart watch

I'm looking around for some smart watches, for my note 5, but cannot decide which one is the best for my needs. I'm looking for something that monitors my activities such as lifting, sleeping, walking, running. So right now my top choices are s2 or moto 360 or Microsoft. Idk what to do, thought? Personal experience?
There are probably a lot better watches out there for reasonable prices, so my question to you guys are:
1) which one do you guys think is the best for the price?
2) best 'smart' features?
3) best battery life?
4) user friendly?
5) most accurate reader, heart rate/sleep/fitness?
Also if you decided to pick "other" for the pole, could you leave a comment which watch. And if you can please explain why?
- Thank you
I have the 1st gen moto360 champagne...it runs like a champ...or the LG watch urbane
psn1819 said:
I have the 1st gen moto360 champagne...it runs like a champ...or the LG watch urbane
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How accurate does it read heart rate, sleep, fitness activity?
Personally I'm still using My Gear 2 Neo. All that you have listed can be met with this device. Being that we lost our beloved IR Blaster having it available in this model is priceless!
I have no complaints the Gear 2 Neo works seamlessly with S Gear and is definitely customizable!
This was/is my first wearable and I am very impressed!
I'll be updating soon and I'm sure I'll remain with the Galaxy wearable line.
Possibly even the Huwaei.
Chuck
I believe the best options are the LG urbane, the hwawei watch (the best) than the moto 360
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@egren58 and @charlesrogers74
I have read quite a bit as hwawei being one of the top tier for smart watches, but I don't know as to why. The smart feature is out beaten by Moto and s2 and I have read even fitbit doesn't a better job of recording 'activies' than hwawei. Was the information wrong incorrect, what are your thoughts?
Hence why it never made it to my top 3.
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@egren58 and @charlesrogers74
I have read quite a bit as hwawei being one of the top tier for smart watches, but I don't know as to why. The smart feature is out beaten by Moto and s2 and I have read even fitbit doesn't a better job of recording 'activies' than hwawei. Was the information wrong incorrect, what are your thoughts?
Hence why it never made it to my top 3.
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Well to me smart watches still in its beta. I feel like its still a bit too early. Specs wise. I feel like its not that important at this moment as smart watches are not really mean to run alot of processes. The hwawei watch is by far best looking. Which imo its important. Also battery I heard was great... The gear S2 also caught my attention and the moto 360 lower black screen anoyyed the crap out of me..
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Well to me smart watches still in its beta. I feel like its still a bit too early. Specs wise. I feel like its not that important at this moment as smart watches are not really mean to run alot of processes. The hwawei watch is by far best looking. Which imo its important. Also battery I heard was great... The gear S2 also caught my attention and the moto 360 lower black screen anoyyed the crap out of me..
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Agreeded, I like s2 specially with $14/month from T-Mobile. I just need something that can monitor and is compatible with lifting apps.
eventheodds1 said:
Agreeded, I like s2 specially with $14/month from T-Mobile. I just need something that can monitor and is compatible with lifting apps.
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Well the gear s2 is not exclusive to Samsung phones so any watch app will work. And there is hundreds of work out apps as that is one of the big focus of smart watches so that's something you should have to worry. Also the gear s2 fits more of your need. Since the other watches are focus towards classy and luxury.. If your going to be using it for fitness I'd go with the gear s2..
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the s2 if you have a samsung device
I have the Sony Smartwatch 3, and everything is okay (battery life is great) except the screen is not very vibrant like other models that use amoled. If I can re-choose I'd take the Gear s2.
I had the Asus Zen and it was the biggest waste of money I've ever spent on tech. Did nothing my note 4 couldn't do and found it a hindrance constantly buzzing and remembering which way to swipe things for certain functions. I can appreciate some will benefit ie I get FitBits but I think they are gimmicky. Just my personal experience. Sometimes having tech when theres no need....
Do you want a watch you can goof around with as a health logger? Or do you want a health logger that has some smart watch?
The Microsoft unit is the best at health, it has continous heart rate which the others do not. It also has the most sensors in it.
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david_b01 said:
Do you want a watch you can goof around with as a health logger? Or do you want a health logger that has some smart watch?
The Microsoft unit is the best at health, it has continous heart rate which the others do not. It also has the most sensors in it.
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looking for something to track my health, I am a lifter and I use JEFIT to track and monitor my progress. So I need a watch to track and correspond with health apps to record my performance.
http://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-watches-572773/
This was just released by Android authority, do you guys agree or disagree? Thoughts?
Definitely get an Android Wear based watch. Samsung's Tizen OS doesn't have many apps.
i'm not into the health tracking thing, so i can't relate to that, but for the moto360 vs huawei watch, my 2 cents (but this is about the 1st gen moto): huawei, hands down. much better screen, much better battery life.
remiotte said:
i'm not into the health tracking thing, so i can't relate to that, but for the moto360 vs huawei watch, my 2 cents (but this is about the 1st gen moto): huawei, hands down. much better screen, much better battery life.
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Yeah, I've been reading a lot about new software for s2 where it is not as compatible with alot of apps.
http://www.androidauthority.com/moto-360-sport-coming-to-the-us-january-7-for-299-659078/
Moto 360 second generation just announced their fitness watch. This might be the one
eventheodds1 said:
Yeah, I've been reading a lot about new software for s2 where it is not as compatible with alot of apps.
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The thing about android wear is the apps that are compatible are useless without a phone. With the Gear S2 4G you have real apps that don't need to have a phone connected. I've had an android wear watch for the past year and just got the Gear S2 and let me tell you from a person who actually uses the watch Tizen is way better imo. First of all the notifications on the Gear S2 are way better, for example if I get a Google+ notification on android wear you can only look at maybe the first 2 lines and then you can only open it on your phone. With the Gear S2 you can read the entire message and read the comments. And also when you receive a mms message on android wear it doesn't show you the picture on the watch, while the Gear S2 shows pictures and all. The watch faces are way better on the Gear S2, especially in ambient mode and to my surprise S voice actually works just as good as Google now. Tizen overall is a much more fun OS, I was so bored with Android wear and I knew for sure I wasn't going to get another one.
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Moved to iOS

I'll probably get a lot of hate for this, but after 10 years of being an avid Android fan and supporter, I have moved back to iOS and the iPhone 14 Pro Max.
All I can say is I don't regret it one bit. I was the first to make fun of iPhone users in the past, but Apple have made such strides, it's a real pleasure to be back. Yes Apple wait years to implement features that have been available on Android for ages and call it new and revolutionary, but what they do, they do better than anyone else. The biggest thing is just the cohesiveness between the hardware and software. Everything works flawlessly together and the user interface looks great.
What has annoyed me with Android are things like manufacturers not having their own email or messaging apps. You're forced to download a third party app which never really feels in tune with the particular phone/skin/version of Android. And yes you can say the Gmail app is the stock Android email app, but not everyone is a fan, including me. I know it's probably unavoidable due to nature of AOSP, but still, there is a clear divide between the hardware and software for the most part compared to iOS.
The other thing that stopped me using (and mocking) iOS is the fact that a lot of things were a pain in the backside to do and the general incompatibility with a lot of platforms. That seems to have changed as well as I had no issues connecting directly to my NAS drive and Windows PC to access all my files, either while on the same LAN or through 5G when I'm not at home. Youtube Vanced (now ReVanced) was another big thing, but you have options in iOS for that as well.
App tracking was another reason I made the switch. You can simply disable app tracking for all apps with one toggle and all newly installed apps will abide by this as well. Yes, no one really knows if it stops all tracking in its entirety, but it's an option that is not available in Android. You can use a third party app like Blokada to achieve the same result, but you cannot run a VPN service at the same time. Now I can run my VPN service and have app tracking blocked at the same time. Not to mention battery life. I am not a super heavy user, but I get three days out of a single charge with 20% battery left. Even with heavy use, you will struggle to kill this thing's battery in a day as you get 10-14 hours of screen on time depending on how you use it. Standby drain is also nonexistent, the bane of so many Android users' lives, mine included. The cameras and especially video recording is also top notch. Possibly a little boring compared to some of the features you get in Android, but as an everyday point and shoot device, it's hard to beat.
Notifications is the one thing where I would say I still prefer the way it's done in Android, but with everything else working so well I can forgive that. Price is another drawback as Apple charge ridiculous amounts for their hardware, so this is the only time in 10 years where I will keep the same phone for more than a year.
I will still keep my Pixel and have it as a backup phone, but for now I am super happy I made the switch. And I will understand it if not many of you agree.
Biggenz said:
And I will understand it if not many of you agree.
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It's not about whether we agree, but whether we care. We don't.
Good luck and let us know when you return....
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Good luck and let us know when you return....
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Biggenz said:
I'll probably get a lot of hate for this, but after 10 years of being an avid Android fan and supporter, I have moved back to iOS and the iPhone 14 Pro Max.
All I can say is I don't regret it one bit. I was the first to make fun of iPhone users in the past, but Apple have made such strides, it's a real pleasure to be back. Yes Apple wait years to implement features that have been available on Android for ages and call it new and revolutionary, but what they do, they do better than anyone else. The biggest thing is just the cohesiveness between the hardware and software. Everything works flawlessly together and the user interface looks great.
What has annoyed me with Android are things like manufacturers not having their own email or messaging apps. You're forced to download a third party app which never really feels in tune with the particular phone/skin/version of Android. And yes you can say the Gmail app is the stock Android email app, but not everyone is a fan, including me. I know it's probably unavoidable due to nature of AOSP, but still, there is a clear divide between the hardware and software for the most part compared to iOS.
The other thing that stopped me using (and mocking) iOS is the fact that a lot of things were a pain in the backside to do and the general incompatibility with a lot of platforms. That seems to have changed as well as I had no issues connecting directly to my NAS drive and Windows PC to access all my files, either while on the same LAN or through 5G when I'm not at home. Youtube Vanced (now ReVanced) was another big thing, but you have options in iOS for that as well.
App tracking was another reason I made the switch. You can simply disable app tracking for all apps with one toggle and all newly installed apps will abide by this as well. Yes, no one really knows if it stops all tracking in its entirety, but it's an option that is not available in Android. You can use a third party app like Blokada to achieve the same result, but you cannot run a VPN service at the same time. Now I can run my VPN service and have app tracking blocked at the same time. Not to mention battery life. I am not a super heavy user, but I get three days out of a single charge with 20% battery left. Even with heavy use, you will struggle to kill this thing's battery in a day as you get 10-14 hours of screen on time depending on how you use it. Standby drain is also nonexistent, the bane of so many Android users' lives, mine included. The cameras and especially video recording is also top notch. Possibly a little boring compared to some of the features you get in Android, but as an everyday point and shoot device, it's hard to beat.
Notifications is the one thing where I would say I still prefer the way it's done in Android, but with everything else working so well I can forgive that. Price is another drawback as Apple charge ridiculous amounts for their hardware, so this is the only time in 10 years where I will keep the same phone for more than a year.
I will still keep my Pixel and have it as a backup phone, but for now I am super happy I made the switch. And I will understand it if not many of you agree.
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Most sincere condolences
I agree with you. System IOS showed myself very good thought last years. I think that IOS more stability than Android OS thought it has not so great functionality.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
It's not about whether we agree, but whether we care. We don't.
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Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
It's not about whether we agree, but whether we care. We don't.
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Actually, that's a rather self-indulgent/pompous comment to assume that "we" don't care. "You" might not care but I'm glad to hear about the experiences of people that have had both Android and Apple products. I've had Windows mobile phones and am now going on my 4th or 5th Android device, but I've never had an Apple product. I'm very much interested in the point of view of somebody that has lived with both products.
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*useless drivel snipped"
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Please. At the time this thread was originally posted it was in the Pixel 6 forums...an Android phone. The only reason they made that post was to grab the spotlight. And you fell for it, hook, line, and sinker.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Please. At the time this thread was originally posted it was in the Pixel 6 forums...an Android phone. The only reason they made that post was to grab the spotlight. And you fell for it, hook, line, and sinker.
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You're the one with Apple on your face
iPhone 14 Pro Max? are you sure?))
Android is just far better than iOS at this stage, it might be cohesive and all but honestly it still sucks
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The good thing about Android for me is F-Droid.
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And the ability to install any apk.
I promised myself that I would never use IOS. Android is enough for me and for now, I will stick to this position, but maybe someday I will change my mind just like you.

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