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Samsung galaxy gear + Note II

Everyone knows I love my Note II, quad core with dedicated GPU on a 5.5 inch 720p screen. But when the galaxy gear smart watch came out it wasn't (and still isn't officially) compatible with anything but the Note III. I decided to see if I could get it to work.
After some digging I found the .apk for the galaxy gear watch manager for the note III and low and behold it installs just fine on my Note 2:
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It's not totally 100% compatible, some things I still have to work on, but it does sync contacts, take photos, show the time etc.
If you have a Samsung galaxy device and wish to get the gear, feel free to try the APK I found:
http://briananim.kicks-ass.net:9000/ftp/droidapps/gearmanager.apk
EDIT:
So I was able to update my adb sideload program I always used to use and install standard .apk files after enabling usb debug:
http://briananim.kicks-ass.net:9000/ftp/droidapps/sideload_apps.zip
Here's some video of me tooling around in minecraft PE:
I didn't keep minecraft on the watch but I wanted to see if the watch could handle it.
Thus far I've installed a small calculator, and an uninstalling application to remove things I don't want to keep. I've also tried other launchers like Nova. Nova worked fine except you can't load widgets and there is no clock on the top right so the device is useless as a watch. I'll be sticking with the standard touchwiz launcher as it has a working app drawer.
I've taken the standard launcher and taken all the home screens out except for time, app drawer, and notifications so it's much more stream lined and I can get to all my apps with just one swipe. The question is, what apps do you think would be good additions to my wrist aside from calc, schedule, phone, and time? .apk links would be great too.
You can't use any apps the require a data connection as the device doesn't have wifi. I tried using pdanet tablet edition & foxfi between this and my phone via Bluetooth but it force closes unfortunately.

Can you get notifications, and which?

Still trying to figre that out. When I go into the gear manager on the phone and click "samsung apps" the manager freezes and I have to force close it.
What I can do right now is make calls, take photos / video, see my call log, tell the time. I can also see upcomming events.
I need to find a copy of the note III's s-voice to be more compatible. Anyone have an .apk? I'm not sure if it's the exact same as the s4's

vectron said:
Can you get notifications, and which?
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I've done a lot of reading on the gear. It's not worth it at the moment, especially since the CEO himself said the gear is lacking a little "something extra." Also, due to this, they have already started working on the gear 2. Mainly, Samsung knows they screwed up big time and Apple and Google will most likely produce something better. Your meta watch and my pebble are still better at the moment. The problem is battery life is terrible. All notifications from apps other than stock email and messaging show nothing but a notification icon with a number. You have to open up even gmail on your phone because it will not display on the gear. The metawatch and pebble showed all this from day 1 and even improved with each update. Every big tech review site has given the same statement. It looks great but fails everywhere else. Maybe if it was $100, it would be a decent accessory to have until something better comes out. However, $300 is a complete waste for a subpar overly hyped product. I wanted this device, but glad I read all the reviews. Samsung is retarded also for making it only compatible with the note 3 on release. A very stupid and limited form of marketing that will only hinder their progress. Anyway, if anyone bought it, good for you. Trust me it's better to wait as mentioned in many reviews of this device. Then again, it's smart marketing in one way because people will buy it for the cool factor, and then they will upgrade to the gear 2 because it's better. Same concept on cars. Mercedes has this trick with the E class. They've already got a 6-10 year outline of the horsepower and design of each future car. That's why it's the most changed and most bought Mercedes. Think about it before you fall for the gear.

BrianAnim said:
Still trying to figre that out. When I go into the gear manager on the phone and click "samsung apps" the manager freezes and I have to force close it.
What I can do right now is make calls, take photos / video, see my call log, tell the time. I can also see upcomming events.
I need to find a copy of the note III's s-voice to be more compatible. Anyone have an .apk? I'm not sure if it's the exact same as the s4's
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When you take photos and videos, does it get stored on local memory only, or can you transfer it to phone memory (select saving destination to N2)?

Dont believe everything you read.The gear is a perfect companion watch for the note 3 and from the post above its not bad on the note 2 and it's not even officially supported for that phone.The reviewers have really got this one wrong I have had it a week and it gets better every day
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hhadrian said:
Dont believe everything you read.The gear is a perfect companion watch for the note 3 and from the post above its not bad on the note 2 and it's not even officially supported for that phone.The reviewers have really got this one wrong I have had it a week and it gets better every day
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Is this your first smart watch? Btw, the gear isn't even waterproof - huge fail. So, the minute you forget it's on your wrist and it's raining or you wash your hands a little past your wrist, you're screwed

opasha said:
Is this your first smart watch? Btw, the gear isn't even waterproof - huge fail. So, the minute you forget it's on your wrist and it's raining or you wash your hands a little past your wrist, you're screwed
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Plus most of all it costs $300...ridiculous imo

Hälftebyte said:
Plus most of all it costs $300...ridiculous imo
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Agreed...and there are many top tech websites and comments by people like us on xda that agree with you, lol.

T-Mobile already sells it at 25% discount, but I think you have to buy it with N3. Yeah, unfortunately Samsung rushed into this one. It has potential since its based on modified Android 4.2 OS (or whatever 4.x), which means it will get hacked and modified at some point. But the price point of $300 is too high to make it mainstream now. Remember what happened to original Sony SW? Nobody cared about it until they dropped the price to $99 and opened SDK. Boom! It became affordable and open for XDA community to jump in with new app development and support. But with Gear, no matter rootable or not, you still will be limited by poor battery life, proprietary charging cradle (imagine forgetting it to take with you before even a 2 day trip?), and bracelet which is not replaceable and kind of flimsy looking with that camera sticking out asking to be bumped.
About a month ago if someone would have asked me what smart watch to buy at the current moment, I would suggest Pebble only (because of it being mainstream with developers support). Today, this answer would be Sony SW2 because of all the improvements (watersplash resistant, easily accessible standard micro-usb, great touch display where watch face can stay on permanently and you still get a decent multi-day battery life). My personal fav right now is Omate. Don't care about stand-alone phone (will never use it), but the whole idea of portable android device fully waterproof with a camera, micro-sd, and 600 mAh battery, and already released SDK ahead of official availability (and XDA developers already working on it now) - that intrigues me a lot!

Yes the Omate is certainly the most interesting at the moment with full Android 4.2. My only gripe with it is how thick it is. I really don't see me wearing a watch that size at the moment. Maybe in a few years I'll be saying it's too small but right now the SW2 is the largest I'll go.
The SW2 is sleek and does what I need which is be a companion to my phone, allowing me to leave my phone in my pocket a bit more especially with where I'm living at the moment :/. If Google (or anyone else) doesn't beat it by December, the SW2 will be my next gift to myself.

I've enjoyed the watch so far, even it being in my possession for less than 12 hours I'm still having fun with it. I very rarely make expensive purchases on a whim and although I did read a ton of reviews I wanted this watch more for my own curiosity more than anything.
My friends helped kickstart the pebble and if I would have known about it I too would have been on that bandwagon. So far the picture quality has been great, I've yet to take any videos however I can tell you that you can transfer the files from the watch to the phone seamlesly. I belive it does it for you after awhile or you can push them. I took some shots of my parent's dog I was watching today and the photos looks pretty good, especially on this small screen.
I like the fact that I can use multi-touch things like pinch-zoom etc. The audio controls are nice and when 4.3 comes out for the note II there will be even more things I should be able to do with this device. Samsung did say that the marketplace for this device will be open for app devs to make things for it specifically, and it can have a dozen or so apps installed at once.

Great feedback from everyone. I agree that the Sony Smart Watch 2 seems to be the best new option currently. It delivers on battery life, is splash resistant, can open and read notifications, esp with the notification pull down, and has the ability to see multiple apps on each screen similar to android phones and the Omate interface. It's definitely an improvement for the current smartwatch genre. It's actually also thinner than the Gear despite being boxier. I do like the Omate and the Neptune Pine, but they seem way too bulky and geared towards being stand alone devices despite Bluetooth 4.0 connectivity for use with smartphones. I just hope Google does one better.

The gear is the worst deal lol. A waste of $300
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BrianAnim said:
Still trying to figre that out. When I go into the gear manager on the phone and click "samsung apps" the manager freezes and I have to force close it.
What I can do right now is make calls, take photos / video, see my call log, tell the time. I can also see upcomming events.
I need to find a copy of the note III's s-voice to be more compatible. Anyone have an .apk? I'm not sure if it's the exact same as the s4's
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Note3 s voice apk can be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45948394
Hit my "THANKS" button! Come on, you can do it!

I'm going to try loading side-loading apps using the usb debug:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...real-apps-running-on-the-samsung-galaxy-gear/

Thanks premiatul however I tried that version of s-voice and it is only the BETA (as listed in it's info page) so it won't sync. It looks like I need one taken directly from the note 3 via root or something.

BrianAnim said:
I'm going to try loading side-loading apps using the usb debug:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...real-apps-running-on-the-samsung-galaxy-gear/
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Can you try to side load gmail and see if you get emails? I saw that video and dolphin browser won't work due to requiring data connection. I assume gmail would also need data. Thanks!

BrianAnim said:
I'm going to try loading side-loading apps using the usb debug:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...real-apps-running-on-the-samsung-galaxy-gear/
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So I was able to update my adb sideload program I always used to use and install standard .apk files:
http://briananim.kicks-ass.net:9000/ftp/droidapps/sideload_apps.zip
Here's some video of me tooling around in minecraft PE:
I didn't keep minecraft on the watch but I wanted to see if the watch could handle it.
Thus far I've installed a small calculator, and an uninstalling application to remove things I don't want to keep. I've also tried other launchers like Nova. Nova worked fine except you can't load widgets and there is no clock on the top right so the device is useless as a watch. I'll be sticking with the standard touchwiz launcher as it has a working app drawer.
I've taken the standard launcher and taken all the home screens out except for time, app drawer, and notifications so it's much more stream lined and I can get to all my apps with just one swipe. The question is, what apps do you think would be good additions to my wrist aside from calc, schedule, phone, and time? .apk links would be great too.
You can't use any apps the require a data connection as the device doesn't have wifi. I tried using pdanet tablet edition & foxfi between this and my phone via Bluetooth but it force closes unfortunately.

Thanks for the update bro. This thread right here is a big turn off about the Gear. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2477441
I run with my pebble and sweat a lot. Pebble is totally waterproof even in the shower. That's really pathetic on Samsung's part. They clearly didn't do enough testing.

Phandroid says price drop means a failure

It never stops amazing me Phandroid reports the price of Galaxy Gear maybe going down and this is failure.
Prices of all devices drop after several months did the reporters at Phandroid forget this fact? It is one of the reasons being a early adopter is not always wise.
This is the first Smart Watch to have dedicated forum on this site. Is that a sign of failure?
I am sick of people saying how badly the watch is doing.

AstroDigital said:
It never stops amazing me Phandroid reports the price of Galaxy Gear maybe going down and this is failure.
Prices of all devices drop after several months did the reporters at Phandroid forget this fact? It is one of the reasons being a early adopter is not always wise.
This is the first Smart Watch to have dedicated forum on this site. Is that a sign of failure?
I am sick of people saying how badly the watch is doing.
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sometimes it does means failure. but we have to ask ourselves if Samsung plan was actually to make Gear a 'non failure' device or they just wanted to get it first on the market. Pebble or Sony Smartwatch 2 are far from what I would have call a "smart watch".
either way - launching gear was a failure. compatible with only Note 3 at the beginning, terrible battery life, no external notifications, lack of software etc. it was limited on purpose, but for no reason. gear is powerful enough to be working with all modern smartphones. so yes, i judge the device on the release day - why would i care what it will become in few weeks/months? stock Gear is **** and the only reason why i keep it is because i can use it the way i want it to - not some korean creeps designing my menu..
thank you f0mey for saving this product!

hurdlejade said:
sometimes it does means failure. but we have to ask ourselves if Samsung plan was actually to make Gear a 'non failure' device or they just wanted to get it first on the market. Pebble or Sony Smartwatch 2 are far from what I would have call a "smart watch".
either way - launching gear was a failure. compatible with only Note 3 at the beginning, terrible battery life, no external notifications, lack of software etc. it was limited on purpose, but for no reason. gear is powerful enough to be working with all modern smartphones. so yes, i judge the device on the release day - why would i care what it will become in few weeks/months? stock Gear is **** and the only reason why i keep it is because i can use it the way i want it to - not some korean creeps designing my menu..
thank you f0mey for saving this product!
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Still have not used or tried the Null Rom, it is my understanding all it does is replace the Touchwiz interface.
Gapps means nothing to me because my Note does not support bluetooth tethering.
.... but that is off my own Topic, still believe if the price drops it is mainly due to normal life cycle.
Have not bought a device yet that I could not get at least $100 cheaper in 3 months, the Gear is 3 months old.

it's completely normal for all electronic devices to go cheaper with time.
null does not replace touchwiz interface, it allows you to use any interface of your choice. you like nova launcher you can use it. you prefer google experience? the world is yours. it allows bluetooth tethering, two way sync, direct dial shortcut and way way more. if you haven't tried it yet then maybe it's just not for you (surprisingly there are people out there who are happy with stock thing ).
i use my gear - for other than notifications, time and calling/camera - for viewing agenda, to-do list, displaying some text on it, calculator and more.. and nothing of it could be achieved without null.

hurdlejade said:
i use my gear - for other than notifications, time and calling/camera - for viewing agenda, to-do list, displaying some text on it, calculator and more.. and nothing of it could be achieved without null.
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before i used null i had root and could install and use all the things you mentioned above. i love null but just saying that it was still great without it and better with it.

Or it simply means there trying to clear stock for the next release of the gear which is expected to be in 3 weeks.

fOmey said:
Or it simply means there trying to clear stock for the next release of the gear which is expected to be in 3 weeks.
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so glad i bought mine 38 days ago for 299 LOL
i dont get mad about this kind of stuff. if i did i would never buy anything with concerns that it will be cheaper in a month

fletch33 said:
so glad i bought mine 38 days ago for 299 LOL
i dont get mad about this kind of stuff. if i did i would never buy anything with concerns that it will be cheaper in a month
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No kidding.
I paid $299 for mine the day they where released but I love the thing.
If you worried about things like TVs/cameras/stereo equipment etc. going down in price you ill never buy anything.

I don't know where all these rumors are coming from for a galaxy gear 2 already being released. That's just downright stupid... The note 3 and gear were just released a few months ago! The things still brand new and the N3 is still the best phone on the market right now.
Releases are done typically once a year... hence iphones, Samsung galaxy devices etc... its not every 3 months...
You guys are basically saying they would be making three different models per year if they are releasing the GG2 this fast... then another 4 months the Gear 3? Waayyy to fast.
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Joe92T said:
I don't know where all these rumors are coming from for a galaxy gear 2 already being released. That's just downright stupid... The note 3 and gear were just released a few months ago! The things still brand new and the N3 is still the best phone on the market right now.
Releases are done typically once a year... hence iphones, Samsung galaxy devices etc... its not every 3 months...
You guys are basically saying they would be making three different models per year if they are releasing the GG2 this fast... then another 4 months the Gear 3? Waayyy to fast.
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i understand your logic and thoughts on this however wearables are very new and could be updated at first much faster to address things they just didnt know until they released what they thought was the right mixture of style, performance, apps, etc, etc...
i consider myself generally an early adopter and look at this:
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although i am in the early adopter category most of the time i sometimes want to read and see what happens with something before i jump (usually depends on cost) and Gear was just really about is it really useful.
here is my opinion:
1. i saw some usefulness in it but not day 1
2. i finally had to know what it is all about myself and so i bought one actually expecting to return it since i have 30 days as a BB platinum 30 day no restocking fee customer
3. after 3 days and finding this section of XDA i knew i was keeping it
4. i can see where improvements could be made
5. i do not in any way regret my purchase even at $299/US
6. i personally would LOVE a new edition
7. the new edition would have to really prove itself as having enough to get me to upgrade
8. even if the next edition doesnt motivate me i will probably upgrade because thats just what i do
dont let new models even if its 4 months later upset you and instead appreciate what you have and decide if the newer model comes out in a date faster then what you feel is fair.
as long as Samsung continues to support this model for a decent amount of time then what difference does it make that a different model is released and if it works for you as it is then you can continue to enjoy it

Joe92T said:
I don't know where all these rumors are coming from for a galaxy gear 2 already being released. That's just downright stupid... The note 3 and gear were just released a few months ago! The things still brand new and the N3 is still the best phone on the market right now.
Releases are done typically once a year... hence iphones, Samsung galaxy devices etc... its not every 3 months...
You guys are basically saying they would be making three different models per year if they are releasing the GG2 this fast... then another 4 months the Gear 3? Waayyy to fast.
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May not be released in February, although the announcement of the new gear 2 could easily be made in late February.
HERE.

Joe92T said:
I don't know where all these rumors are coming from for a galaxy gear 2 already being released. That's just downright stupid... The note 3 and gear were just released a few months ago! The things still brand new and the N3 is still the best phone on the market right now.
Releases are done typically once a year... hence iphones, Samsung galaxy devices etc... its not every 3 months...
You guys are basically saying they would be making three different models per year if they are releasing the GG2 this fast... then another 4 months the Gear 3? Waayyy to fast.
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The galaxy gear was released Sept 4th. Thats almost 6 months ago!! Samsung releases 2 flagship phones a year. Thats once every 6 months. The S4 came out in march. 6 months later the note 3 in late Sept. The S5 is to be unveiled Feb 24th and probably released early March. Why wouldn't Samsung release the Galaxy Gear 2 then? I bet you they do!!!!!!!! Samsung is hurting right now for pieces of the cellphone market. They've got to pull out all their tricks.

AstroDigital said:
It never stops amazing me Phandroid reports the price of Galaxy Gear maybe going down and this is failure.
Prices of all devices drop after several months did the reporters at Phandroid forget this fact? It is one of the reasons being a early adopter is not always wise.
This is the first Smart Watch to have dedicated forum on this site. Is that a sign of failure?
I am sick of people saying how badly the watch is doing.
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Don't be so emotional about a watch. Samsung definitely over priced this thing.
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barondebxl said:
Don't be so emotional about a watch. Samsung definitely over priced this thing.
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Pricing is relative. I paid heaps to get Google glass. First gen is always expensive
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I think Samsung will continue to support the GG when GG2 is released be silly for them not to.
What will intrest me is if the GG2 Firmware & software can be ported over to the GG.

google glass is not a widely available consumer product yet, it's meant for developers (and celebrities , unlike gear which you can get in almost any electronic/phone store.

barondebxl said:
Don't be so emotional about a watch. Samsung definitely over priced this thing.
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Could be, likely true.
.... but they are all over priced when you have to get something first.

Brendo said:
Pricing is relative. I paid heaps to get Google glass. First gen is always expensive
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Its subjective.....right. That's why the majority feels like this thing its overpriced.
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440bro said:
Samsung is hurting right now for pieces of the cellphone market. They've got to pull out all their tricks.
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Care to extrapolate on that? Samsung is, bay far, the largest manufacture of mobiles. How are they "Hurting"?

440bro said:
The galaxy gear was released Sept 4th. Thats almost 6 months ago!! Samsung releases 2 flagship phones a year. Thats once every 6 months. The S4 came out in march. 6 months later the note 3 in late Sept. The S5 is to be unveiled Feb 24th and probably released early March. Why wouldn't Samsung release the Galaxy Gear 2 then? I bet you they do!!!!!!!! Samsung is hurting right now for pieces of the cellphone market. They've got to pull out all their tricks.
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Samsung is hurting how exactly? Do u have any evidence or anything like that? Cause last time I checked they were the largest mobile manufacturers in the world.
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[Q] Gear 2 vs Gear Fit

So I'm wondering what the actual differences are between the Gear 2 and Gear Fit.
I can see most of them right away:
curved screen
shape & size
internal stuff (camera, IR blaster,..)?
But what are the actual software differences?
Will I get exercise help on Gear 2 same as on Gear Fit?
Also: is that lengthy display handy in everyday life?

Here you can see my video review for Gear Fit.
You can find out what apps does it have, how you can charge it and with which devices is it compatible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq-yS2dWQKc

Gear Fit is just a dumb (as in OS absent) watch with fitness functions and LED
Gear 2 is a smart watch that run Tizen OS.
Gear 1 is a smart watch that runs Android.

klau1 said:
Gear Fit is just a dumb (as in OS absent) watch with fitness functions and LED
Gear 2 is a smart watch that run Tizen OS.
Gear 1 is a smart watch that runs Android.
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Wrong to say it is Dumb, shows no reading of any reviews.
The Gear Fit, is a smart watch it will show notifications, it will run apps and this is my opinion looks great.
The Gear fit does have a priority OS real time OS, you are not likely to get many new apps but a few may come.
Remember the Gear 2 runs Tizen good luck getting apps for that as well.
At $100 less expensive than the Gear 2, and everything I need I may get the Gear Fit but I will never buy a Gear 2.

AstroDigital said:
Wrong to say it is Dumb, shows no reading of any reviews.
The Gear Fit, is a smart watch it will show notifications, it will run apps and this is my opinion looks great.
The Gear fit does have a priority OS real time OS, you are not likely to get many new apps but a few may come.
Remember the Gear 2 runs Tizen good luck getting apps for that as well.
At $100 less expensive than the Gear 2, and everything I need I may get the Gear Fit but I will never buy a Gear 2.
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Just because it runs apps doesn't make it smart.
The Motorola V3 runs jar apps you can install, but it's still considered a Dumb Phone.
DUMB PHONE = FEATURE PHONE
FEATURE PHONE is Marketing BS for DUMB PHONE
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klau1 said:
Just because it runs apps doesn't make it smart.
The Motorola V3 runs jar apps you can install, but it's still considered a Dumb Phone.
DUMB PHONE = FEATURE PHONE
http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/62894/feature-phone
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I am not going to argue, what do I care what you think in my opinion it is a smart device.
And who cares about the V3, I owned own and was not stupid enough to call it a dumb phone. It did more than make calls maybe less that an iPhone which did not even exist at the time.
A smart device is an electronic device, generally connected to other devices or networks via different protocols such as Bluetooth, NFC, WiFi, 3G, etc., that can operate to some extent interactively and autonomously.
The Gear Fit meets the definition, to think of the Gear Fit as a Timex is wrong.

It's not about what I think.
It's what the academic definition has defined. No Dumb Phone is not synonymous of "Timex Watch". Timex Watch is synonymous to a basic phone with basic calling functions.
But merely having a couple apps and Bluetooth does not make it a Smart Phone.
Are you a member of society? Did you go to school? Are you an educated person? If so, remember how you were taught DEFINITIONS that the rest of society has Established?
If you don't follow the rules, and agree to commonly defined vocabulary, you don't belong to society.
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It's a dumb device.
You can't even develop apps for the Fit. Samsung's not going to release an SDK for it.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/samsung-gear-fit-isn-t-an-android-or-tizen-device

And where did you think I got the definition?
Made it up?
According the definition of a smart device the Gear Fit is one,
A smart device is an electronic device, generally connected to other devices or networks via different protocols such as Bluetooth, NFC, WiFi, 3G, etc., that can operate to some extent interactively and autonomously.
You gave a definition of a featured phone, the Gear, Gear II, are not phones.

Smart Device is just a term on the binary scale to differentiate things like a Fridge with a computer or one without a computer. Or a DVD player with WiFi or not.
But if you map it to the Phone scale (which is more appropriate), since every watch, like every phone already has a computer, it would fit into the Dumb category.
By Smart Device definition, every phone would be "smart" since it meets that definition.
But not every phone is a smart phone by the definitions on the phone scale
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If it makes things more clear, think of the Fit as a device with a Dumb OS.
It's a smart device, just as my Nest Thermostat is a smart device.
But it's a meaningless measure when applied to watches, you won't be able to tell the difference between a watch with a user configurable file system, installable apps, TO ones stuck without any flexibility like a Feature Phone AKA Dumb Phone
So it's clear that mapping watches to the phone smartness scale is much more meaningful and insightful than merely generic device smartness scale.

You can not compare a smartwatch with a phone, sorry.
Well not I can not.
A smartwatch first.
Tells time.
But to make and or receive phone calls, no smartwatch works without a cell phone. You know the device that makes calls?
And dumb OS, ..... sorry I can not take you seriously and if I come back I have to say thing I may regret.
A watch that offers notifications, fitness apps, syncs to you device. The OS is simpler but not dumb.
This is and advantage, I own a Gear I only use it to receive notifications the rest is over kill.
A good explanation.....
An RTOS is a far simpler OS than Android, Tizen or iOS and is dedicated to a very specific set of tasks, enabling it to process data without delay.
This means despite the Gear Fit’s smaller memory and slower processor, it can still last longer than the Gear 2 and still competently process all your fitness tasks.
The Gear Fit is focused on features like heart rate monitoring and step counting, so RTOS will allow the device to display more accurate and timely data.
Read more at http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...n-android-or-tizen-device#MrUwCZDakjYGdKTX.99

AstroDigital said:
You can not compare a smartwatch with a phone, sorry.
Well not I can not.
A smartwatch first.
Tells time.
But to make and or receive phone calls, no smartwatch works without a cell phone. You know the device that makes calls?
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Actually, there are already Smart Watches in more Cell Technology dependent areas like China that have built-in Cell Phone capabilities, and that's let alone the fact that Gear 2 will have a version that takes SIM.
AstroDigital said:
And dumb OS, ..... sorry I can not take you seriously and if I come back I have to say thing I may regret.
A watch that offers notifications, fitness apps, syncs to you device. The OS is simpler but not dumb.
This is and advantage, I own a Gear I only use it to receive notifications the rest is over kill.
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No offense, but this mentality that something should just do what it's "MEANT" to do, is what hinders innovation.
It's what drove RIM, Palm Inc into the ground.
Pocket PC killed Palm Inc precisely because people were drawn to a PDA capable of being MORE THAN a PDA.
I never knew why some dinosaurs wanted to buy Palm Pilots once Pocket PCs were here. Turns out I was on the right side of history, and you see companies trying to stuff as much functionality into a device as physically possible. :laugh:
Why not push the envelop?
Why not have everything in one device?
You will see one day a device that's a medical tricorder, medical dispenser, communicator, personal computer, feeds the UI into your contact lens, phantom headphone (ultrasonic directional sound waves that travel directly into your ear before becoming audible without needing physical headphones).
AstroDigital said:
A good explanation.....
An RTOS is a far simpler OS than Android, Tizen or iOS and is dedicated to a very specific set of tasks, enabling it to process data without delay.
This means despite the Gear Fit’s smaller memory and slower processor, it can still last longer than the Gear 2 and still competently process all your fitness tasks.
The Gear Fit is focused on features like heart rate monitoring and step counting, so RTOS will allow the device to display more accurate and timely data.
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I find that part hard to believe. So are you saying just because the OS is handling more things at once, it can't handle HRM and Pedometer properly?
So is my Nest Theromstat that handles 200 schedules and wifi, web service, is LESS accurate than an old fashion dedicated Theromstat that does ONE job?
It sounds like Marketing BS to redeem the Fit by say "It has almost ZERO other functions... BUT BUT BUT DON'T WORRY, it does what it does BETTER!!" Just don't ask our engineers, that know it's BS.

AstroDigital said:
The OS is simpler but not dumb.
This is and advantage, I own a Gear I only use it to receive notifications the rest is over kill.
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Sounds like you should have gotten the Pebble. That was solely designed for notifications and little else.
You could have saved yourself hundred dollars and gotten triple the battery life since it runs a 90nm 100MHz CPU from 10 years ago.
Simple devices for simple people...j/k but seriously.........

Pre-Ordered the Gear Fit.
Did own a Pebble hated the ink display.
Want to run apps, you can not even have a Gear 2 without a real smartphone.
After awhile I said to myself need to carry the Note 3, why not just use the Note 3 for apps.
Not simple per say but rather run real apps on my Cell phone and tablet.
The other guy with the long reply .... chill dude. No way I am reading that huge post. (likely not agree anyway)

AstroDigital said:
Pre-Ordered the Gear Fit.
Did own a Pebble hated the ink display.
Want to run apps, you can not even have a Gear 2 without a real smartphone.
After awhile I said to myself need to carry the Note 3, why not just use the Note 3 for apps.
Not simple per say but rather run real apps on my Cell phone and tablet.
The other guy with the long reply .... chill dude. No way I am reading that huge post. (likely not agree anyway)
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What's the point of reading stuff you agree with? Ever heard of the echo chamber?
You will never gain new perspective and ideas beneficial to you, your life in the long term if all you hear are the ideas already in your head.

Android or Tizen: Verdict?

I ordered the first gen Gear Smartwatch from a deal that was posted on SlickDeals earlier this week (should be here next week). I have been doing a lot of reading on the Gear and the pros & cons of Android vs Tizen...and whether root is really needed to enjoy the Gear. So I am asking all of you...what do you prefer & why? I know Tizen wins with battery life & Android wins with sideloading full Android apps...
What did all of you choose to do?
THanks!!

Tizen especially now apps are becoming available
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phil999 said:
Tizen especially now apps are becoming available
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Where can I see a list of all the apps available on Tizen? Also, can Android apps be ported over to Tizen easily? Thanks!!

I can tell you about my feelings on Tizen. The ability to root the watch and sideload apps was a nice novelty for me, but when I upgraded to Tizen, I felt like I had a new watch. It flows much better, the interface prettier, and the battery life is much improved. Tizen is dead in the water due to Android Wear and Samsung's insistence on keeping it a closed platform, but it gives new life to the Gear 1.

alprazolam said:
I can tell you about my feelings on Tizen. The ability to root the watch and sideload apps was a nice novelty for me, but when I upgraded to Tizen, I felt like I had a new watch. It flows much better, the interface prettier, and the battery life is much improved. Tizen is dead in the water due to Android Wear and Samsung's insistence on keeping it a closed platform, but it gives new life to the Gear 1.
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Thanks for your view on Tizen. To be honest I had difficulties understanding why someone would want to look at a small screen with regular android apps when you have a 5.7 inch phone in your pocket. BUT variety is also the spice of life and the ability to have all these apps on your watch IS a nice novelty. For me I think besides the stock apps I would need Evernote & My Fitness Pal on the watch. Anything else would be just for bragging to my iPhone friends what I can do with my new toy!!! LOL

List of apps i posted in the app and themes forum
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mikespe,
Thanks for this thread. I was wondering the same thing myself...whether to root my Android based Gear One or upgrade to the new OS. Still don't know for sure which I will stick with. Just rooted mine and looking to see if I can find any ROM's to install and play with. Then I will make my decision on whether to move up to Tizen. Would appreciate any other thoughts from folks on the Tizen OS.

Battery life seems better on tizen
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for me, battery life on tizen/multi-watch/custom watch face lasts about 3 days whereas android/watch styler/custom watch face would last about 1 day.
the other thing is that the tizen'ed gear can receive notifications from the watch when the screen is on. On android notifications doesn't come thru until the screen turns off. So when using Waze or other full-screen apps, I can easily glance to see what notifications i just received.
I don't miss android at all since upgrading to tizen about 3 weeks ago
edit: whats the benefit of rooting tizen? besides silencing the camera and i think increasing video length...

I have had tizen for 24 hours an missing a few of the old android apk. Like media remote for controlling the music player on my phone.
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Tyronnster said:
I have had tizen for 24 hours an missing a few of the old android apk. Like media remote for controlling the music player on my phone.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
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Media remote is there. As is the new media player.
Sent from my leanKernel 3.4 powered stock 4.4.2 (NF1) SM-N900T

I'm running nexus 5 so no access to the apps store
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I changed to Tizen within the first week of its release and must admit initially i found it much better in terms of battery life , sleep monitor etc
i also liked the fact that we have an SDK and i created a couple of watchfaces that suited me
BUT the haphazard way that Samsung make the Apps available is awful and i found i could have every type of app i want using Null
I have now gone back to Android as the biggest thing for me is Notifications , under Tizen the Notification system is worse than the original gear as Samsung have changed the Message Body font to a dull grey which is difficult enough to read anyway but in sunlight its virtually impossible. That coupled with the fact that not enough of the notification is displayed makes this a waste of time for me, Good to have the better battery life but if i have to open every message on the watch that soon dissapears.
So now i'm back to Null and i use SWAPPLink and the Notifications are brilliant, loads of the message info is displayed and i feel that its actually useful again.
what i have now done is made a watch face with the info that i want using UCCW and i find it much better now
Yes the battery is nowhere near as good but for me thats a small price to pay for a watch i am enjoying for a change

machmandp said:
I changed to Tizen within the first week of its release and must admit initially i found it much better in terms of battery life , sleep monitor etc
i also liked the fact that we have an SDK and i created a couple of watchfaces that suited me
BUT the haphazard way that Samsung make the Apps available is awful and i found i could have every type of app i want using Null
I have now gone back to Android as the biggest thing for me is Notifications , under Tizen the Notification system is worse than the original gear as Samsung have changed the Message Body font to a dull grey which is difficult enough to read anyway but in sunlight its virtually impossible. That coupled with the fact that not enough of the notification is displayed makes this a waste of time for me, Good to have the better battery life but if i have to open every message on the watch that soon dissapears.
So now i'm back to Null and i use SWAPPLink and the Notifications are brilliant, loads of the message info is displayed and i feel that its actually useful again.
what i have now done is made a watch face with the info that i want using UCCW and i find it much better now
Yes the battery is nowhere near as good but for me thats a small price to pay for a watch i am enjoying for a change
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Could you just show some pictures of your screen then? I am rather curious about your UCCW modifications!

Armazia said:
Could you just show some pictures of your screen then? I am rather curious about your UCCW modifications!
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not to everyones taste but i'm liking this at the moment
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not to everyones taste but i'm liking this at the moment
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Can you still make it through a full day with that setup... That's all I'm worried about.

machmandp said:
not to everyones taste but i'm liking this at the moment
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My last question; What kind of launcher are you using? just nova?

bpdev said:
Can you still make it through a full day with that setup... That's all I'm worried about.
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i am making it through the day but i dont think it would last the night as well
but i have been using it a lot setting it up so i expect that to improve
not as good as when i was on Tizen but even then i was charging every night as i dont think i would have made 2 full days easily
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Armazia said:
My last question; What kind of launcher are you using? just nova?
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yes just Nova that came with Null

A quick update so far I have not used the watch for anything other than receiving notifications and after 7 hrs of use the battery is at 86% and that's with the display on full brightness for a while whilst I was out

Another update for you 14 hrs 48 mins and 41% left and I've been playing music on it through bluetooth so that's pretty good . I can live with that

So, I traded my Note 4...

For an iPhone 6 Plus...
Someone please..shoot me

bad mistake i went the other way you have gone to the dark side.

The Black Droid said:
For an iPhone 6 Plus...
Someone please..shoot me
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you will be back after your iphone goes all floppy and bends.

Ironically, the first app I tried to download on it was the XDA premium app...I just sat there for a second when it was nowhere to be found..

The Black Droid said:
Ironically, the first app I tried to download on it was the XDA premium app...I just sat there for a second when it was nowhere to be found..
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You should try downloading the #bendgate app.It will make your iPhone more fabulous.

As first, my deep condolences.
Second,what is purpose of this thread ?
iCrap does not belong here so consider to join some iCrap community.

The Black Droid said:
Ironically, the first app I tried to download on it was the XDA premium app...I just sat there for a second when it was nowhere to be found..
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That's coincidental, not irony.... But if Alanis Morissette got it wrong, you can't blame others for doing same.
Besides use Tapatalk instead. It actually works better on the iPhone 6+ than Note 4 (you see more content/posts on it).
I have both the 6+ & Note 4 (and a moto x 2014) and contrary to popular belief the two can co-exist very happily - both great phones. My app usage is near identical between them too.
Both have great screens and great battery life. And after 5 months use, neither my Note 4 has a gap gate issue or iPhone 6+ bend gate issue....
I don't understand why some in android or apple communities get so insecure about these things. Just enjoy whatever device you are using.
That being said I'm not sure why your post is entirely relevant here and will inevitably stir up a hornets nest.

I must admit I have thought about it while sitting here waiting for lollipop. Considered the Nexus 6 as well, but at the end of the day this Note can do things that none of the competition can. The pen mostly but the removable battery and sd card are also nice. 6+ would be ok if I got the 128gb version but here in New Zealand a 32gb Nexus 6 costs the same as a note 4 so it's a total no brainer, lollipop or not.

The Black Droid said:
For an iPhone 6 Plus...
Someone please..shoot me
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why? Just interested...

I actually had the same thought, because I admire the beauty of the iPhone. But after taking a look I realized that they wanted me to pay extra cash for the exchange which is ridiculous since they get a better phone from me then I get from them.. But I might trade phones, just to try out the 6+ someday..

Im waiting for "IPhone 17 plus +" until then I stick with Note series.
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I actually think it's not a bad idea at all. I've been with Andorid since the start and never had an Iphone, but there's tons of apps that have better support on iOS/apps that are not on Android at all. anyway..why not change once in awhile and try new things right? maybe i'll do it with my next phone

I made complete research, and just for change of taste, i went to buy an iphone 6+, got it booked here in Pakistan. but ended up buying a Note 4, and my first 2-3 days were of full depression because of battery drains but now its all fine. the only regret i have is the sound quality i was having with htc one m8 before, otherwise note4 is soooo awesome <3

After just one day with it, I quite content with it. Seems to be pretty solid...so far.

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Even that regular coffee for $4 is overpriced. You can get a refusal coffee at Starbucks for $2.50.
Sorry had to point that out. Lol
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The fact that you can't use NFC (no secure token such as yubikey) for anything other than ApplePay, or that you can't use openvpn or PGP on an iPhone makes it an unsuitable/undesirable device for me. I hate how you can only run software endorsed by Apple on a device you paid for.

mathieulh said:
The fact that you can't use NFC (no secure token such as yubikey) for anything other than ApplePay, or that you can't use openvpn or PGP on an iPhone makes it an unsuitable/undesirable device for me. I hate how you can only run software endorsed by Apple on a device you paid for.
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Agree but that's how they maintain the pubic perception that their platform is stable, secure and reliable. In reality it's no better that a high end Android these days, it's just that it's much easier for Android users to completely bork their phone by installing badly built apps.
Also iOS is easier to develop for, so long as you're compatible with the latest iOS you don't really need to worry about much else. Android is completely different. People could be running your app on anything from gingerbread to lollipop, have from a 1ghz single core cpu to a quad/octa core monster, 512mb to 3gb ram, 600x800 up to 1440x2560 screen res, etc etc.
In other words I couldn't give a **** for iOS, but the app ecosystem is kind of tempting.

nookcoloruser said:
That's coincidental, not irony.... But if Alanis Morissette got it wrong, you can't blame others for doing same.
Besides use Tapatalk instead. It actually works better on the iPhone 6+ than Note 4 (you see more content/posts on it).
I have both the 6+ & Note 4 (and a moto x 2014) and contrary to popular belief the two can co-exist very happily - both great phones. My app usage is near identical between them too.
Both have great screens and great battery life. And after 5 months use, neither my Note 4 has a gap gate issue or iPhone 6+ bend gate issue....
I don't understand why some in android or apple communities get so insecure about these things. Just enjoy whatever device you are using.
That being said I'm not sure why your post is entirely relevant here and will inevitably stir up a hornets nest.
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So much of this. I have both the devices too, along with a nexus 6 and i really don't understand the hate on both sides. Plus as others have already said the topic is irrelevant on this forum. There is such a thing as discretion of posting.
That said to the OP, iPhone 6 plus is a fine device. Enjoy the great apps, a great consistent camera and great battery life.

nookcoloruser said:
That's coincidental, not irony.... But if Alanis Morissette got it wrong, you can't blame others for doing same.
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Can you elaborate on this? While your statement holds partial truth, it was also ironic that I tried to download a well-known android app on my iPhone. Never, EVER make me feel like I wasted money on an education again!