If the Tizen update were to come out today for the Gear 1, would you stay or switch the Tizen.
Keep in mind the Trade-offs
Android:
Pros:
Android Ecosystem (100s thousand apps)
Custom ROM
Highly Moddable
Cons:
3 day instead of 4 day battery life (source: http://www.engadget.com/2014/02/22/samsung-gear-2/ )
(currently) no Gear Specific Android SDK
few Gear Specific apps
Tizen
Pros:
4 day instead of 3 day battery life (source: http://www.engadget.com/2014/02/22/samsung-gear-2/ )
SDK Available
Possibility of more future Tizen specific apps
sports functions like hiking, cycling, etc
future upgrade path
Cons:
Few Developers with experience in Tizen
Questionable interest in Tizen ecosystem -- with announcement of Google Wear
No mods
No roms
No Android app access
I would switch, as most of the Android apps are not meant for Gear 1, so this Pro is not really valid. I believe many more Gear 2 apps will come in Tizen, and the underlying OS does not matter to me.
That pro depends on your needs.
With android you can do:
Internet tethering
File manager
Google maps
Google now
Tasker
Audio recorder
Full Facebook
Google Voice dictation
Really depends on your expectations.
The more you expect to do, the more of a plus it is.
But if you just want a stock experience then it's less of a plus.
But I really wonder if Tizen will take off with the developers knowing a universal platform, the Google Wear is right around the corner.
klau1 said:
That pro depends on your needs.
With android you can do:
Internet tethering
File manager
Google maps
Google now
Tasker
Audio recorder
Full Facebook
Google Voice dictation
Really depends on your expectations.
The more you expect to do, the more of a plus it is.
But if you just want a stock experience then it's less of a plus.
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You cannot do what you list if on USA AT&T
Does easy tether or any other 3rd party tether work?
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Does easy tether or any other 3rd party tether work?
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Only partially. I could not get the Google apps to go online, only the Google Search. Other apps requiring direct net connection did not work for me either. I have been back on Stock for some time now due to this limitation from AT&T.
Here, you need to install the Xposed Hack Connectivity service APK needed to spoof the network connectivity. This makes apps think there is a standard wifi network connection even when there is not.
Lots of people forget or miss this step and have the exact same problem you have.
Probably just get the file off here, no need to read the page contents, just download.
http://androidhackz.blogspot.ca/2013/07/updatedhow-to-reverse-tether.html
highlordkram said:
Only partially. I could not get the Google apps to go online, only the Google Search. Other apps requiring direct net connection did not work for me either. I have been back on Stock for some time now due to this limitation from AT&T.
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I have US AT&T and all the Google services work fine. Either get a phone that supports native BT PAN or download Open Garden and enable network spoofer in Null.
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I won't switch. There will be little to none customization, and I don't think I'll be impressed with apps. At this point I think I'd go with Neptun Pine..
hurdlejade said:
I won't switch. There will be little to none customization, and I don't think I'll be impressed with apps. At this point I think I'd go with Neptun Pine..
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7 hours of browsing on a 800mAh battery?
I think as Gear users, we all know the accuracy of that statement.
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7 hours of browsing on a 800mAh battery?
I think as Gear users, we all know the accuracy of that statement.
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Time will tell, but still, I don't want Tizen.
in some cases not even the xposed hack will work as i found out when using easy tether - it turns out google services need https connectivity so the free version of easy tether + xposed did not solve the problem. By upgrading to the pro version of easy tether i was able to start using these services. By the way love how google translate works - very convenient in a watch
using ATT Galaxy S4 stock
klau1 said:
Here, you need to install the Xposed Hack Connectivity service APK needed to spoof the network connectivity. This makes apps think there is a standard wifi network connection even when there is not.
Lots of people forget or miss this step and have the exact same problem you have.
Probably just get the file off here, no need to read the page contents, just download.
http://androidhackz.blogspot.ca/2013/07/updatedhow-to-reverse-tether.html
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You cannot do what you list if on USA AT&T
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animatechnica said:
in some cases not even the xposed hack will work as i found out when using easy tether - it turns out google services need https connectivity so the free version of easy tether + xposed did not solve the problem. By upgrading to the pro version of easy tether i was able to start using these services. By the way love how google translate works - very convenient in a watch
using ATT Galaxy S4 stock
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You like Google Translate, try Google Googles! Will translate any text, photo, sign instantly!
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I would, switch in a heart beat, I want proper smart watch app not side loaded phone apps.
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What is a proper smart watch app?
App with big buttons?
App that requires the phone as a "provider" of data?
App that the manufacturer deems as "official"?
I think I would switch to tizen only if the battery life is really really better than with the current rom...
If it was 1 week that would be awesome. Lol
Well it kind of would be longer since you won't be using it as much due to lack of tizen apps, so you'd have a long stand by time. But actual usage time would be the only slightly longer.
FixB said:
I think I would switch to tizen only if the battery life is really really better than with the current rom...
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Sounds like a lot of people are wanting to switch back to Android.
I think switching to Tizen now is too much of a risk to take especially with Android Wear right around the corner. Why lose the ability to control your device and be at the mercy of Samsung by switching to Tizen and be stuck with it forever?
The only thing I like about tizen was the standalone music player. Is there a way to do that with null rom?
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Related
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/live-from-apples-iphone-os-4-event/
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Wow, they finally got around to basic functionalities after three years. Functionalities that Symbian and WinMo were doing since forever. Very revolutionary and magical. Color me awed.
Just about the only thing Android needs to do to "catch up" is a better multi-tasking UI. Then again, considering the iPhone OS 4.0 will handle a grand total of seven tasks--as opposed to Android showing the last six apps used--well...
folders!!! haha.
jarude said:
folders!!! haha.
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well atleast there starting to catch up
Steve really outdid himself this time
this is so funny hahaha. they're taking things that phones have already been able to do and making it such a big deal. apple can suck deez nutz.
i can't wait till android os 3.0!!!
Austin021296 said:
Well atleast there starting to catch up
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They just got wallpapers, maybe OS5 will match Eclair.
britoso said:
They just got wallpapers, maybe OS5 will match Eclair.
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LOL so true
So the iPhone OS 4.0 contains what's currently available for jailbroken iPhones, and adds interactive advertising...
Am I missing something?
azalex86 said:
So the iPhone OS 4.0 contains what's currently available for jailbroken iPhones, and adds interactive advertising...
Am I missing something?
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Yes, Apple just ripped off a bunch of features from Android, which will undoubtedly drive iSheep sales up.
ohhh! a bunch of stuff that almost every other phone already has... android, winMo, WebOS...
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So the iPhone OS 4.0 contains what's currently available for jailbroken iPhones, and adds interactive advertising...
Am I missing something?
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Nope, you're not. However for the masses, this update will be very well received. Yes its ridiculous that they took so long to incorporate multitasking and folder functionality, but better late than never.
I was disappointed that there wasn't any interface change, the icon grids seem archaic. The iBook app will be huge. Overall, I think this is what most people were expecting in terms of a software update. The real big news will be whether a hardware update will accompany OS4 (unibody iPhone would be nice).
For now the Nexus still has an edge but the gap is narrowing
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Nope, you're not. However for the masses, this update will be very well received. Yes its ridiculous that they took so long to incorporate multitasking and folder functionality, but better late than never.
I was disappointed that there wasn't any interface change, the icon grids seem archaic. The iBook app will be huge. Overall, I think this is what most people were expecting in terms of a software update. The real big news will be whether a hardware update will accompany OS4 (unibody iPhone would be nice).
For now the Nexus still has an edge but the gap is narrowing
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Yeah. I was thinking of the big things they could do on the hardware side, but I'm not entirely sure they want to split their market up. People are still using the iPhone 3G, if they do a massive upgrade on hardware, app developers will have to verify it works on 3 different platforms.
Maybe they are just planning on phasing out the 3G completely by next year (considering they were hinting at the lesser features for 3G's OS4), and then using the current 3GS as minimum spec. If they increase screen resolution, they'll have to write some scaling processes as well (a lot can be seen in the iPad)
They dropped the bomb until they put this dud out.
I own a bunch of Apple devices and Ive had an iPhone before. Im not a hater, I just dont think it's cutting edge anymore. I even have an iPad so you can't say Im an apple hater
Is just another iPhone... but still Google needs to get their act together in a few areas. I borrowed a N1 for few days and like it very much, but I have been reluctant to take the plunge because of the following shortcomings:
Google needs to allow Contacts, Tasks and Notes to sync to the N1 (locally and remotely) using Google apps. It also needs to either enhance the Calendar application or make it play nice with Outlook desktop calendar functions. Me and whole bunch of other people I know, are very comfortable with Outlook to manage their email, time, contacts and tasks. Help us migrate to Android and to the Google apps without so much fuzz. Don't leave it to third parties. I don't want to risk my critical data to a vendor that is here today, but might not be here tomorrow. I'm not very happy leaving all my critical data in the cloud, but if I'm going to do it... Google needs to help me get there. Security and the integrity of my data are important. I have confidence in Google, but not on third party vendors for this critical step.
The Music Player needs enhancement and a Google desktop application to manage one's Music Library and multiple playlist is needed. Most decent portable DAP have such application. Maybe Google can partner or acquire a vendor that knows how to do this right.
Just like the new iPhone the inbox of Android needs to be bit more friendly with other email service providers. As with the new IPhone OS 4, multiple Exchange servers should be supported along with the option to have multiple and merged inboxes.
I wonder if others feel the same way. I also know that there are other issues that need to be addressed, but in my case the top two are very important.
The soul purpose of this device is not meant to be a music player, Google does not (and I highly doubt they will) need to create an entire desktop application to move mp3s to the music folder where anyone with the right direction can do this. Managing playlist though is a different story, but I guess it is up to a third party application to do this.
Get a ipod or other portable music device if this is your wish.
Also, tamanaco, I believe Sense does most of what you said. Don't believe the Nexus is a very friendly business device...
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Yeah. I was thinking of the big things they could do on the hardware side, but I'm not entirely sure they want to split their market up. People are still using the iPhone 3G, if they do a massive upgrade on hardware, app developers will have to verify it works on 3 different platforms.
Maybe they are just planning on phasing out the 3G completely by next year (considering they were hinting at the lesser features for 3G's OS4), and then using the current 3GS as minimum spec. If they increase screen resolution, they'll have to write some scaling processes as well (a lot can be seen in the iPad)
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I agree with you in that there's no need for them to boost their specs at this point, but I was referring more to a cosmetic facelift. The iPhone has pretty much looked the same for 3 years now and I think even Apple fanboys can agree that everyone is tired of the design.
Eclair~ said:
The soul purpose of this device is not meant to be a music player, Google does not (and I highly doubt they will) need to create an entire desktop application to move mp3s to the music folder where anyone with the right direction can do this. Managing playlist though is a different story, but I guess it is up to a third party application to do this.
Get a ipod or other portable music device if this is your wish.
Also, tamanaco, I believe Sense does most of what you said. Don't believe the Nexus is a very friendly business device...
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So, if I understand you correctly... The N1 is "not" a Music Player... is "not" meant for business... and as you say is "not" for me. So, in your book it's only good to make calls and find yourself on a map? It's called a "Superphone"... What's else is it good for?
SubyWill said:
this is so funny hahaha. they're taking things that phones have already been able to do and making it such a big deal. apple can suck deez nutz.
i can't wait till android os 3.0!!!
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I just pray for it to include VPN, proxy settings, full Exchange support (including tasks), WPA-Enterprise...
But I'm guessing it won't.
Eclair~ said:
The soul purpose of this device is not meant to be a music player, Google does not (and I highly doubt they will) need to create an entire desktop application to move mp3s to the music folder where anyone with the right direction can do this. Managing playlist though is a different story, but I guess it is up to a third party application to do this.
Get a ipod or other portable music device if this is your wish.
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This is not an excuse IMO, the music player definitely needs an update. This is the one area where iPhone has a real advantage over Android. Most users would rather carry one device for everyday use, I know I certainly would.
Everyone knows I love my Note II, quad core with dedicated GPU on a 5.5 inch 720p screen. But when the galaxy gear smart watch came out it wasn't (and still isn't officially) compatible with anything but the Note III. I decided to see if I could get it to work.
After some digging I found the .apk for the galaxy gear watch manager for the note III and low and behold it installs just fine on my Note 2:
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It's not totally 100% compatible, some things I still have to work on, but it does sync contacts, take photos, show the time etc.
If you have a Samsung galaxy device and wish to get the gear, feel free to try the APK I found:
http://briananim.kicks-ass.net:9000/ftp/droidapps/gearmanager.apk
EDIT:
So I was able to update my adb sideload program I always used to use and install standard .apk files after enabling usb debug:
http://briananim.kicks-ass.net:9000/ftp/droidapps/sideload_apps.zip
Here's some video of me tooling around in minecraft PE:
I didn't keep minecraft on the watch but I wanted to see if the watch could handle it.
Thus far I've installed a small calculator, and an uninstalling application to remove things I don't want to keep. I've also tried other launchers like Nova. Nova worked fine except you can't load widgets and there is no clock on the top right so the device is useless as a watch. I'll be sticking with the standard touchwiz launcher as it has a working app drawer.
I've taken the standard launcher and taken all the home screens out except for time, app drawer, and notifications so it's much more stream lined and I can get to all my apps with just one swipe. The question is, what apps do you think would be good additions to my wrist aside from calc, schedule, phone, and time? .apk links would be great too.
You can't use any apps the require a data connection as the device doesn't have wifi. I tried using pdanet tablet edition & foxfi between this and my phone via Bluetooth but it force closes unfortunately.
Can you get notifications, and which?
Still trying to figre that out. When I go into the gear manager on the phone and click "samsung apps" the manager freezes and I have to force close it.
What I can do right now is make calls, take photos / video, see my call log, tell the time. I can also see upcomming events.
I need to find a copy of the note III's s-voice to be more compatible. Anyone have an .apk? I'm not sure if it's the exact same as the s4's
vectron said:
Can you get notifications, and which?
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I've done a lot of reading on the gear. It's not worth it at the moment, especially since the CEO himself said the gear is lacking a little "something extra." Also, due to this, they have already started working on the gear 2. Mainly, Samsung knows they screwed up big time and Apple and Google will most likely produce something better. Your meta watch and my pebble are still better at the moment. The problem is battery life is terrible. All notifications from apps other than stock email and messaging show nothing but a notification icon with a number. You have to open up even gmail on your phone because it will not display on the gear. The metawatch and pebble showed all this from day 1 and even improved with each update. Every big tech review site has given the same statement. It looks great but fails everywhere else. Maybe if it was $100, it would be a decent accessory to have until something better comes out. However, $300 is a complete waste for a subpar overly hyped product. I wanted this device, but glad I read all the reviews. Samsung is retarded also for making it only compatible with the note 3 on release. A very stupid and limited form of marketing that will only hinder their progress. Anyway, if anyone bought it, good for you. Trust me it's better to wait as mentioned in many reviews of this device. Then again, it's smart marketing in one way because people will buy it for the cool factor, and then they will upgrade to the gear 2 because it's better. Same concept on cars. Mercedes has this trick with the E class. They've already got a 6-10 year outline of the horsepower and design of each future car. That's why it's the most changed and most bought Mercedes. Think about it before you fall for the gear.
BrianAnim said:
Still trying to figre that out. When I go into the gear manager on the phone and click "samsung apps" the manager freezes and I have to force close it.
What I can do right now is make calls, take photos / video, see my call log, tell the time. I can also see upcomming events.
I need to find a copy of the note III's s-voice to be more compatible. Anyone have an .apk? I'm not sure if it's the exact same as the s4's
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When you take photos and videos, does it get stored on local memory only, or can you transfer it to phone memory (select saving destination to N2)?
Dont believe everything you read.The gear is a perfect companion watch for the note 3 and from the post above its not bad on the note 2 and it's not even officially supported for that phone.The reviewers have really got this one wrong I have had it a week and it gets better every day
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hhadrian said:
Dont believe everything you read.The gear is a perfect companion watch for the note 3 and from the post above its not bad on the note 2 and it's not even officially supported for that phone.The reviewers have really got this one wrong I have had it a week and it gets better every day
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Is this your first smart watch? Btw, the gear isn't even waterproof - huge fail. So, the minute you forget it's on your wrist and it's raining or you wash your hands a little past your wrist, you're screwed
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Is this your first smart watch? Btw, the gear isn't even waterproof - huge fail. So, the minute you forget it's on your wrist and it's raining or you wash your hands a little past your wrist, you're screwed
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Plus most of all it costs $300...ridiculous imo
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Plus most of all it costs $300...ridiculous imo
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Agreed...and there are many top tech websites and comments by people like us on xda that agree with you, lol.
T-Mobile already sells it at 25% discount, but I think you have to buy it with N3. Yeah, unfortunately Samsung rushed into this one. It has potential since its based on modified Android 4.2 OS (or whatever 4.x), which means it will get hacked and modified at some point. But the price point of $300 is too high to make it mainstream now. Remember what happened to original Sony SW? Nobody cared about it until they dropped the price to $99 and opened SDK. Boom! It became affordable and open for XDA community to jump in with new app development and support. But with Gear, no matter rootable or not, you still will be limited by poor battery life, proprietary charging cradle (imagine forgetting it to take with you before even a 2 day trip?), and bracelet which is not replaceable and kind of flimsy looking with that camera sticking out asking to be bumped.
About a month ago if someone would have asked me what smart watch to buy at the current moment, I would suggest Pebble only (because of it being mainstream with developers support). Today, this answer would be Sony SW2 because of all the improvements (watersplash resistant, easily accessible standard micro-usb, great touch display where watch face can stay on permanently and you still get a decent multi-day battery life). My personal fav right now is Omate. Don't care about stand-alone phone (will never use it), but the whole idea of portable android device fully waterproof with a camera, micro-sd, and 600 mAh battery, and already released SDK ahead of official availability (and XDA developers already working on it now) - that intrigues me a lot!
Yes the Omate is certainly the most interesting at the moment with full Android 4.2. My only gripe with it is how thick it is. I really don't see me wearing a watch that size at the moment. Maybe in a few years I'll be saying it's too small but right now the SW2 is the largest I'll go.
The SW2 is sleek and does what I need which is be a companion to my phone, allowing me to leave my phone in my pocket a bit more especially with where I'm living at the moment :/. If Google (or anyone else) doesn't beat it by December, the SW2 will be my next gift to myself.
I've enjoyed the watch so far, even it being in my possession for less than 12 hours I'm still having fun with it. I very rarely make expensive purchases on a whim and although I did read a ton of reviews I wanted this watch more for my own curiosity more than anything.
My friends helped kickstart the pebble and if I would have known about it I too would have been on that bandwagon. So far the picture quality has been great, I've yet to take any videos however I can tell you that you can transfer the files from the watch to the phone seamlesly. I belive it does it for you after awhile or you can push them. I took some shots of my parent's dog I was watching today and the photos looks pretty good, especially on this small screen.
I like the fact that I can use multi-touch things like pinch-zoom etc. The audio controls are nice and when 4.3 comes out for the note II there will be even more things I should be able to do with this device. Samsung did say that the marketplace for this device will be open for app devs to make things for it specifically, and it can have a dozen or so apps installed at once.
Great feedback from everyone. I agree that the Sony Smart Watch 2 seems to be the best new option currently. It delivers on battery life, is splash resistant, can open and read notifications, esp with the notification pull down, and has the ability to see multiple apps on each screen similar to android phones and the Omate interface. It's definitely an improvement for the current smartwatch genre. It's actually also thinner than the Gear despite being boxier. I do like the Omate and the Neptune Pine, but they seem way too bulky and geared towards being stand alone devices despite Bluetooth 4.0 connectivity for use with smartphones. I just hope Google does one better.
The gear is the worst deal lol. A waste of $300
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BrianAnim said:
Still trying to figre that out. When I go into the gear manager on the phone and click "samsung apps" the manager freezes and I have to force close it.
What I can do right now is make calls, take photos / video, see my call log, tell the time. I can also see upcomming events.
I need to find a copy of the note III's s-voice to be more compatible. Anyone have an .apk? I'm not sure if it's the exact same as the s4's
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Note3 s voice apk can be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45948394
Hit my "THANKS" button! Come on, you can do it!
I'm going to try loading side-loading apps using the usb debug:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...real-apps-running-on-the-samsung-galaxy-gear/
Thanks premiatul however I tried that version of s-voice and it is only the BETA (as listed in it's info page) so it won't sync. It looks like I need one taken directly from the note 3 via root or something.
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I'm going to try loading side-loading apps using the usb debug:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...real-apps-running-on-the-samsung-galaxy-gear/
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Can you try to side load gmail and see if you get emails? I saw that video and dolphin browser won't work due to requiring data connection. I assume gmail would also need data. Thanks!
BrianAnim said:
I'm going to try loading side-loading apps using the usb debug:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...real-apps-running-on-the-samsung-galaxy-gear/
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So I was able to update my adb sideload program I always used to use and install standard .apk files:
http://briananim.kicks-ass.net:9000/ftp/droidapps/sideload_apps.zip
Here's some video of me tooling around in minecraft PE:
I didn't keep minecraft on the watch but I wanted to see if the watch could handle it.
Thus far I've installed a small calculator, and an uninstalling application to remove things I don't want to keep. I've also tried other launchers like Nova. Nova worked fine except you can't load widgets and there is no clock on the top right so the device is useless as a watch. I'll be sticking with the standard touchwiz launcher as it has a working app drawer.
I've taken the standard launcher and taken all the home screens out except for time, app drawer, and notifications so it's much more stream lined and I can get to all my apps with just one swipe. The question is, what apps do you think would be good additions to my wrist aside from calc, schedule, phone, and time? .apk links would be great too.
You can't use any apps the require a data connection as the device doesn't have wifi. I tried using pdanet tablet edition & foxfi between this and my phone via Bluetooth but it force closes unfortunately.
Thanks for the update bro. This thread right here is a big turn off about the Gear. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2477441
I run with my pebble and sweat a lot. Pebble is totally waterproof even in the shower. That's really pathetic on Samsung's part. They clearly didn't do enough testing.
Hey all,
Per the Google IO announcement this week, it sounds like there's a beta apk floating around that will support native chromecast mirroring from Android 4.4.x devices.
Does anyone have a link to share so we can check it out?
Thanks!
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Hey all,
Per the Google IO announcement this week, it sounds like there's a beta apk floating around that will support native chromecast mirroring from Android 4.4.x devices.
Does anyone have a link to share so we can check it out?
Thanks!
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For bringing attention to this, here: "you da real mvp"
Its on the Play store, but need a Android TV device to download it.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.mediashell
Lets hope it gets leaked by a ADT-1 box tester.
http://www.geek.com/android/heres-googles-android-tv-developer-kit-the-adt-1-1597864/
darren1 said:
Its on the Play store, but need a Android TV device to download it.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.mediashell
Lets hope it gets leaked by a ADT-1 box tester.
http://www.geek.com/android/heres-googles-android-tv-developer-kit-the-adt-1-1597864/
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I don't think that's what OP is looking for.
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I don't think that's what OP is looking for.
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So what is the OP looking for, now I'm curious. I saw during the I/O presentation them using an updated Chromecast app for Android to initiate mirroring so what's the deal. They said it was hardware dependent and required updated google play services and these forums said the mirroring app has to be whitelisted. I'm still unclear about whether other devices will work that weren't listed during the presentation.
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So what is the OP looking for, now I'm curious. I saw during the I/O presentation them using an updated Chromecast app for Android to initiate mirroring so what's the deal. They said it was hardware dependent and required updated google play services and these forums said the mirroring app has to be whitelisted. I'm still unclear about whether other devices will work that weren't listed during the presentation.
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How it essentially breaks down is this...
"Brute force" things and send a series of stills. This in theory should work on any Android device with the necessary Google Play Services framework to communicate with Chromecast, but performance will be highly dependent on CPU speed. This is similar to how simple VNC works, without the control part, and I believe this is what mirror4cast does.
Use system-level hooks to "patch into" the display pipeline - this should be more efficient than screen-scraping and should allow for better performance, especially paired with an intelligent client-end that can just update changes, rather than the whole screen. I believe Koush's mirror app does this. This is similar to how Remote Desktop works for Windows. Google probably is doing this.
Use hardware acceleration to offload compression from the CPU, providing both much better performance and less latency. This is similar to how intelligent players like MX Player use hardware-optimized codecs, though they use them for decoding, whereas mirroring would require encoding. I believe Koush's mirror app does this also. Google might/should be doing this.
Use some magic kernel-exposed functionality to offload compression from the CPU. Google might/should be doing this.
Ideally you'd do 2, 3 and 4 for the best optimization, they key point being to get the best mirroring experience you want to load the CPU the least, otherwise the overall UI experience becomes choppy, not to mention the mirroring itself.
But of course 3 and 4 constrain your supported hardware.
Miracast works on more devices because it's less constrained by overall network latency and stuff since it's WiFi Direct rather than going through an AP. Google's new "don't have to be on the same WiFi network" feature may use the same concept.
In fact, one of my Chromecasts once got into a mode where it was both broadcasting its own SSID and connected to its configured network - in other words, it was being both a WiFi AP and a client simultaneously. I don't know how or why it happened, but it was pretty cool (yes, I did test connectivity from both sides, and it seemed to work). Never got it to happen after that one time though.
As for devices that weren't mentioned... Likely they'll test/qualify other devices as time goes on, but I wouldn't hold my breath on older devices as they likely lack the required CPU power and/or hardware acceleration that is necessary.
The Chromecast app would be added to the whitelist and I suspect the ability to trigger the mirroring will either be determined by the Play Services framework or the mirroring app if it stays a separate app.
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So what is the OP looking for, now I'm curious. I saw during the I/O presentation them using an updated Chromecast app for Android to initiate mirroring so what's the deal. They said it was hardware dependent and required updated google play services and these forums said the mirroring app has to be whitelisted. I'm still unclear about whether other devices will work that weren't listed during the presentation.
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Well the guy gave OP an app related to Android TV devices. But that's not what OP wanted. OP thinks mirroring is just an .apk away on his phone, it doesn't seem to be quite that simple. From the I/O announcement, it seems like there needs to be some kind of hardware acceleration going on that isn't available to all phones. Besides, what that other guy linked is a *receiver* not a mirrorer.
Hmm, I'm on stock rooted 4.4.4 and today when I was at my gf's house(she has a Chromecast), I noticed a "cast screen" toggle in my quick settings. Is that what the OP is looking for? If so, I think it'll just be rolling out slowly with the Chromecast app.
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Hmm, I'm on stock rooted 4.4.4 and today when I was at my gf's house(she has a Chromecast), I noticed a "cast screen" toggle in my quick settings. Is that what the OP is looking for? If so, I think it'll just be rolling out slowly with the Chromecast app.
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No. That's always there.
m52 power! said:
No. That's always there.
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It's not there right now, since I don't have a Chromecast at home.
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DirgeExtinction said:
It's not there right now, since I don't have a Chromecast at home.
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Have you tried clicking on it at your gilrfriends place and see what it does?
Now live!!!, great news http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...elect-devices-running-kitkat-4-4-1-or-higher/
Can someone post the updated 1.7 APK? I want to see if it will work (unofficially, of course) with my Note 2.
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Now live!!!, great news http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...elect-devices-running-kitkat-4-4-1-or-higher/
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Yes! This is what I'm looking for! However, I'm on an HTC One M8 (AT&T) and I don't see it on the supported devices list
Is there a work around / mod to be able to make it work on my handset anyone know?
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Yes! This is what I'm looking for! However, I'm on an HTC One M8 (AT&T) and I don't see it on the supported devices list
Is there a work around / mod to be able to make it work on my handset anyone know?
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Ya that's crazy. Why M7 and not M8?
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"Look out for the 1.7 update of the Chromecast app on Google Play store to use this new feature"
Can someone please post the Chromecast 1.7 apk?
bungadudu said:
"Look out for the 1.7 update of the Chromecast app on Google Play store to use this new feature"
Can someone please post the Chromecast 1.7 apk?
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729 posts and you ask this question which other have asked too? Why dont you read the thread?
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729 posts and you ask this question which other have asked too? Why dont you read the thread?
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Where are you getting 729? I have the same question. If anyone has the update and can pull the apk that would be great.
bungadudu said:
"Look out for the 1.7 update of the Chromecast app on Google Play store to use this new feature"
Can someone please post the Chromecast 1.7 apk?
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Just to note, it works natively on Nexus devices, but you will require 1.7 update for other devices.
V 1.7.4 - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-cfBPq-H-Vramk2ZXBxYWRxbVk/preview
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I ordered the first gen Gear Smartwatch from a deal that was posted on SlickDeals earlier this week (should be here next week). I have been doing a lot of reading on the Gear and the pros & cons of Android vs Tizen...and whether root is really needed to enjoy the Gear. So I am asking all of you...what do you prefer & why? I know Tizen wins with battery life & Android wins with sideloading full Android apps...
What did all of you choose to do?
THanks!!
Tizen especially now apps are becoming available
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Tizen especially now apps are becoming available
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Where can I see a list of all the apps available on Tizen? Also, can Android apps be ported over to Tizen easily? Thanks!!
I can tell you about my feelings on Tizen. The ability to root the watch and sideload apps was a nice novelty for me, but when I upgraded to Tizen, I felt like I had a new watch. It flows much better, the interface prettier, and the battery life is much improved. Tizen is dead in the water due to Android Wear and Samsung's insistence on keeping it a closed platform, but it gives new life to the Gear 1.
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I can tell you about my feelings on Tizen. The ability to root the watch and sideload apps was a nice novelty for me, but when I upgraded to Tizen, I felt like I had a new watch. It flows much better, the interface prettier, and the battery life is much improved. Tizen is dead in the water due to Android Wear and Samsung's insistence on keeping it a closed platform, but it gives new life to the Gear 1.
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Thanks for your view on Tizen. To be honest I had difficulties understanding why someone would want to look at a small screen with regular android apps when you have a 5.7 inch phone in your pocket. BUT variety is also the spice of life and the ability to have all these apps on your watch IS a nice novelty. For me I think besides the stock apps I would need Evernote & My Fitness Pal on the watch. Anything else would be just for bragging to my iPhone friends what I can do with my new toy!!! LOL
List of apps i posted in the app and themes forum
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mikespe,
Thanks for this thread. I was wondering the same thing myself...whether to root my Android based Gear One or upgrade to the new OS. Still don't know for sure which I will stick with. Just rooted mine and looking to see if I can find any ROM's to install and play with. Then I will make my decision on whether to move up to Tizen. Would appreciate any other thoughts from folks on the Tizen OS.
Battery life seems better on tizen
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for me, battery life on tizen/multi-watch/custom watch face lasts about 3 days whereas android/watch styler/custom watch face would last about 1 day.
the other thing is that the tizen'ed gear can receive notifications from the watch when the screen is on. On android notifications doesn't come thru until the screen turns off. So when using Waze or other full-screen apps, I can easily glance to see what notifications i just received.
I don't miss android at all since upgrading to tizen about 3 weeks ago
edit: whats the benefit of rooting tizen? besides silencing the camera and i think increasing video length...
I have had tizen for 24 hours an missing a few of the old android apk. Like media remote for controlling the music player on my phone.
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I have had tizen for 24 hours an missing a few of the old android apk. Like media remote for controlling the music player on my phone.
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Media remote is there. As is the new media player.
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I'm running nexus 5 so no access to the apps store
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I changed to Tizen within the first week of its release and must admit initially i found it much better in terms of battery life , sleep monitor etc
i also liked the fact that we have an SDK and i created a couple of watchfaces that suited me
BUT the haphazard way that Samsung make the Apps available is awful and i found i could have every type of app i want using Null
I have now gone back to Android as the biggest thing for me is Notifications , under Tizen the Notification system is worse than the original gear as Samsung have changed the Message Body font to a dull grey which is difficult enough to read anyway but in sunlight its virtually impossible. That coupled with the fact that not enough of the notification is displayed makes this a waste of time for me, Good to have the better battery life but if i have to open every message on the watch that soon dissapears.
So now i'm back to Null and i use SWAPPLink and the Notifications are brilliant, loads of the message info is displayed and i feel that its actually useful again.
what i have now done is made a watch face with the info that i want using UCCW and i find it much better now
Yes the battery is nowhere near as good but for me thats a small price to pay for a watch i am enjoying for a change
machmandp said:
I changed to Tizen within the first week of its release and must admit initially i found it much better in terms of battery life , sleep monitor etc
i also liked the fact that we have an SDK and i created a couple of watchfaces that suited me
BUT the haphazard way that Samsung make the Apps available is awful and i found i could have every type of app i want using Null
I have now gone back to Android as the biggest thing for me is Notifications , under Tizen the Notification system is worse than the original gear as Samsung have changed the Message Body font to a dull grey which is difficult enough to read anyway but in sunlight its virtually impossible. That coupled with the fact that not enough of the notification is displayed makes this a waste of time for me, Good to have the better battery life but if i have to open every message on the watch that soon dissapears.
So now i'm back to Null and i use SWAPPLink and the Notifications are brilliant, loads of the message info is displayed and i feel that its actually useful again.
what i have now done is made a watch face with the info that i want using UCCW and i find it much better now
Yes the battery is nowhere near as good but for me thats a small price to pay for a watch i am enjoying for a change
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Could you just show some pictures of your screen then? I am rather curious about your UCCW modifications!
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Could you just show some pictures of your screen then? I am rather curious about your UCCW modifications!
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not to everyones taste but i'm liking this at the moment
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not to everyones taste but i'm liking this at the moment
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Can you still make it through a full day with that setup... That's all I'm worried about.
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not to everyones taste but i'm liking this at the moment
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My last question; What kind of launcher are you using? just nova?
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Can you still make it through a full day with that setup... That's all I'm worried about.
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i am making it through the day but i dont think it would last the night as well
but i have been using it a lot setting it up so i expect that to improve
not as good as when i was on Tizen but even then i was charging every night as i dont think i would have made 2 full days easily
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My last question; What kind of launcher are you using? just nova?
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yes just Nova that came with Null
A quick update so far I have not used the watch for anything other than receiving notifications and after 7 hrs of use the battery is at 86% and that's with the display on full brightness for a while whilst I was out
Another update for you 14 hrs 48 mins and 41% left and I've been playing music on it through bluetooth so that's pretty good . I can live with that
I'm looking around for some smart watches, for my note 5, but cannot decide which one is the best for my needs. I'm looking for something that monitors my activities such as lifting, sleeping, walking, running. So right now my top choices are s2 or moto 360 or Microsoft. Idk what to do, thought? Personal experience?
There are probably a lot better watches out there for reasonable prices, so my question to you guys are:
1) which one do you guys think is the best for the price?
2) best 'smart' features?
3) best battery life?
4) user friendly?
5) most accurate reader, heart rate/sleep/fitness?
Also if you decided to pick "other" for the pole, could you leave a comment which watch. And if you can please explain why?
- Thank you
I have the 1st gen moto360 champagne...it runs like a champ...or the LG watch urbane
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I have the 1st gen moto360 champagne...it runs like a champ...or the LG watch urbane
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How accurate does it read heart rate, sleep, fitness activity?
Personally I'm still using My Gear 2 Neo. All that you have listed can be met with this device. Being that we lost our beloved IR Blaster having it available in this model is priceless!
I have no complaints the Gear 2 Neo works seamlessly with S Gear and is definitely customizable!
This was/is my first wearable and I am very impressed!
I'll be updating soon and I'm sure I'll remain with the Galaxy wearable line.
Possibly even the Huwaei.
Chuck
I believe the best options are the LG urbane, the hwawei watch (the best) than the moto 360
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@egren58 and @charlesrogers74
I have read quite a bit as hwawei being one of the top tier for smart watches, but I don't know as to why. The smart feature is out beaten by Moto and s2 and I have read even fitbit doesn't a better job of recording 'activies' than hwawei. Was the information wrong incorrect, what are your thoughts?
Hence why it never made it to my top 3.
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@egren58 and @charlesrogers74
I have read quite a bit as hwawei being one of the top tier for smart watches, but I don't know as to why. The smart feature is out beaten by Moto and s2 and I have read even fitbit doesn't a better job of recording 'activies' than hwawei. Was the information wrong incorrect, what are your thoughts?
Hence why it never made it to my top 3.
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Well to me smart watches still in its beta. I feel like its still a bit too early. Specs wise. I feel like its not that important at this moment as smart watches are not really mean to run alot of processes. The hwawei watch is by far best looking. Which imo its important. Also battery I heard was great... The gear S2 also caught my attention and the moto 360 lower black screen anoyyed the crap out of me..
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Well to me smart watches still in its beta. I feel like its still a bit too early. Specs wise. I feel like its not that important at this moment as smart watches are not really mean to run alot of processes. The hwawei watch is by far best looking. Which imo its important. Also battery I heard was great... The gear S2 also caught my attention and the moto 360 lower black screen anoyyed the crap out of me..
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Agreeded, I like s2 specially with $14/month from T-Mobile. I just need something that can monitor and is compatible with lifting apps.
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Agreeded, I like s2 specially with $14/month from T-Mobile. I just need something that can monitor and is compatible with lifting apps.
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Well the gear s2 is not exclusive to Samsung phones so any watch app will work. And there is hundreds of work out apps as that is one of the big focus of smart watches so that's something you should have to worry. Also the gear s2 fits more of your need. Since the other watches are focus towards classy and luxury.. If your going to be using it for fitness I'd go with the gear s2..
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the s2 if you have a samsung device
I have the Sony Smartwatch 3, and everything is okay (battery life is great) except the screen is not very vibrant like other models that use amoled. If I can re-choose I'd take the Gear s2.
I had the Asus Zen and it was the biggest waste of money I've ever spent on tech. Did nothing my note 4 couldn't do and found it a hindrance constantly buzzing and remembering which way to swipe things for certain functions. I can appreciate some will benefit ie I get FitBits but I think they are gimmicky. Just my personal experience. Sometimes having tech when theres no need....
Do you want a watch you can goof around with as a health logger? Or do you want a health logger that has some smart watch?
The Microsoft unit is the best at health, it has continous heart rate which the others do not. It also has the most sensors in it.
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Do you want a watch you can goof around with as a health logger? Or do you want a health logger that has some smart watch?
The Microsoft unit is the best at health, it has continous heart rate which the others do not. It also has the most sensors in it.
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looking for something to track my health, I am a lifter and I use JEFIT to track and monitor my progress. So I need a watch to track and correspond with health apps to record my performance.
http://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-watches-572773/
This was just released by Android authority, do you guys agree or disagree? Thoughts?
Definitely get an Android Wear based watch. Samsung's Tizen OS doesn't have many apps.
i'm not into the health tracking thing, so i can't relate to that, but for the moto360 vs huawei watch, my 2 cents (but this is about the 1st gen moto): huawei, hands down. much better screen, much better battery life.
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i'm not into the health tracking thing, so i can't relate to that, but for the moto360 vs huawei watch, my 2 cents (but this is about the 1st gen moto): huawei, hands down. much better screen, much better battery life.
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Yeah, I've been reading a lot about new software for s2 where it is not as compatible with alot of apps.
http://www.androidauthority.com/moto-360-sport-coming-to-the-us-january-7-for-299-659078/
Moto 360 second generation just announced their fitness watch. This might be the one
eventheodds1 said:
Yeah, I've been reading a lot about new software for s2 where it is not as compatible with alot of apps.
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The thing about android wear is the apps that are compatible are useless without a phone. With the Gear S2 4G you have real apps that don't need to have a phone connected. I've had an android wear watch for the past year and just got the Gear S2 and let me tell you from a person who actually uses the watch Tizen is way better imo. First of all the notifications on the Gear S2 are way better, for example if I get a Google+ notification on android wear you can only look at maybe the first 2 lines and then you can only open it on your phone. With the Gear S2 you can read the entire message and read the comments. And also when you receive a mms message on android wear it doesn't show you the picture on the watch, while the Gear S2 shows pictures and all. The watch faces are way better on the Gear S2, especially in ambient mode and to my surprise S voice actually works just as good as Google now. Tizen overall is a much more fun OS, I was so bored with Android wear and I knew for sure I wasn't going to get another one.
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