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Support Legend Developers?

Hi all,
This is my first post, although I have been following the group for a long time. My post is motivated by the observation that a massive imbalance exists, particularily in the Legend development community.
There is a huge mass of non-contributing users badgering a small group of hard-working developers, whilst free-loading off the many hours they spend trying to improve the Legend for all of us. (BTW - I'm not pointing any fingers that don't equally apply to myself!) The value of the hours they are putting in is huge, and the return amounts only to the occational humble click of a thanks button.
I have written to the XDA owners and proposed that they implement a system whereby users can donate to a specific thread, and that each month the proceeds of thoses donations are distributed to posters according to the distribution of new "thanks" clicks to them. Unfortunately I have not heard anything in reply, so in the meantime I propose that we start here in the Legend development forum in a less systematic way.
For example; all of us eagerly following ogo2's thread on his Alpha rom should support how we can. We have all heard BlaYO's hesitance to get too involved in that he needs another Legend to do development work on, as he can't render his own out of service for days on end. Absolutely fair point. I would suggest that all active developers in here create a donation account somewhere so that the rest of us ungrateful, free-loading scavengers (again, myself included, and meant in the most positive way! ) can contribute.
Let's get BlaYO a second development Legend, or ogo2 some resources on Linux compilation etc. It's the least we can do, even if we are just selfishly offering to help them, help us
It would not take much, and I am quite certain that anyone who can afford a Legend can also afford to donate $10-20 now and then. What a small price to pay for all the hours that our devs spend working to bring all of us the latest and greatest. Let's give something back!

There were a bunch of users that actually donated to my PayPal account (a few months ago I didn't believe this could happen by the way).
I'd personally object to such a system for various reasons, the main one being complication of something which is a pretty simple in fact: You like the work of someone, you donate (or buy).
Moreover, there are a few CM developers whose work on their device (which happens to use an msm7227 chipset) directly influences the Legend too and therefore my work as well. They are not active in the Legend forum though.
So what I basically want to say: There's a lot of work going on – not hours but weeks – which you might never see because these almost unmoderated boards here are full of you-name-it and every CM developer I know pretty much dislikes XDA for that very reason.
You don't see us (40+ developers) working, but that doesn't mean we aren't.
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Ah, and by the way, I've been busy too, so tiwlan on 2.6.35 is almost finished.

ali ba said:
Ah, and by the way, I've been busy too, so tiwlan on 2.6.35 is almost finished.
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Is this meaning that the new CM7s will have the new kernel?
By the way, what was modified in the kernel source so the tiwlan didn't compile normaly?

I don't need a new Legend, I just need some peace...

There you go
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I don't need a new Legend, I just need some peace...
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Peace be with you

Hmmm... OK, I get that my proposal could have some shortcomings, however the intent is good. It's great to hear that users donated to your Paypal, Ali Ba, perhaps other devs should just publish Paypal details too, and users can direct donations to where they feel they are most deserved?
It is not meant to be fair compensation for the numerous hours spent, as the basic principles of community development should still be the driving force. It could, however, be a token of appreciation from those unable to contribute in any other way.
I can't help but feel that there would be more devs involved with more and faster progress as a consequence, if only there was a little reward in there too. Surely that would be in everybodies interest.
In any event, I offer my thanks to all the devs here, and I would be happy to back that up with a contribution, should you decide to go that way

ali ba said:
Ah, and by the way, I've been busy too, so tiwlan on 2.6.35 is almost finished.
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I was working on getting wl12xx driver working with 2.6.32 kernel but I didn't succeed yet. Is there a reason not to switch to wl12xx driver instead? It also provides soft AP support int the same driver.
Regarding donations, it would be nice if I could donate you via Google checkout.
Thanks.

Yea leave Blay0 alone man, He's getting enough hassle on the Alpha thread as it is! people say they'd like to help then just request more things like a2sd,overclocked kernel etc.If you know anything about linux try helping by trying to build drivers for the last 2 bits (i.e Bluetooth,wifi)

I must say also that there were individuals who offered me donations which I respectfully refused and instead apoint those guys to their nearest charity. I'm not doing this for money (I make money doing other things) I'm just doing it coz I like to know how things work and I always like to learn new things. So if I become bored those donations definitely won't convince me to keep on doing it.
Don't you guys ever think that I'm doing all this for you! Noooope! I'm doing it for me and my own satisfaction. Yes, that's right I'm actualy a selfish, egoistic basterd but in a process of achieving my own goals (which are also inspired by some of your suggestions) I'm really happy if someone else learn something from me. They are few but it doesn't matter... they will definitelly pass on their knowledge and that's important coz I believe knowledge is universal and must be available to anyone willing to accept it and you cannot charge for that.
Don't kidd yourselves, this Legend thingie will be among us at most for another year and then it will get its successors and its community will become even smaller and eventually it will be disbanded and some of us will find new projects, learnig new thing and again passing on all the gained knowledge.

BlaY0 said:
Don't kidd yourselves, this Legend thingie will be among us at most for another year.
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A whole year is an optimistic approach
The main problem in the development of the HTC Legend is the device itself. It's a rare phone, and pretty much a very small group of people is using it. That also makes the group of talented developers thinner. Look at the Hero or SGS forums topic/post count. Sure - most of them are retarded, and previously answered questions, but still folks in the dev section are coding some crazy and amazing stuff. That's because those devices where popular and successful. The HTC Legend was ment to be the successor of the HTC Hero, but this ain't gonna happen. Nobody will remember this phone in a year or two. That's of course HTCs fault, not ours.
Also mentioning all the request, demands and stupid questions in the dev forum - this forum is not that bad
Go check the Nexus S section. For example the NexusSense topic (my girlfriend got a Nexus so I'm somewhat interested). Now that's pure fukcin massacre out there
Greets!
Sent from my HTC Legend using XDA Premium App

cyRq said:
A whole year is an optimistic approach
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Agreed, I thought Legend was a kickass sucessor, but very few people actually bought it...I've deserted to Desire S, but I think that's a very similar case so far anyways...
But back on topic: The thing is, everyone has an interest in what he's doing and unless he has a gain from that work he wouldn't be doing it But the idea of donating is noble ofcourse
Let's support our developers by not asking stupid and obvious questions, using search button, hitting that freakin' "thanks" button as often as we can, and most importantly by using our own brains to gain even more from their work

Dr.Romca said:
Let's support our developers by not asking stupid and obvious questions, using search button, hitting that freakin' "thanks" button as often as we can, and most importantly by using our own brains to gain even more from their work
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Amen! (10char )

Agree with the great Dr!
PLUS This is a General thread so should be in the general section.....Threads should go into the right forums for a start! Hate to think how many threads there are in the wrong place :/

Popular Ideas for Development

EDITED per Admin's suggestions:
Hey xda,
I wanted to make a thread for people who are not as developer-savvy as others to share ideas and make requests for mods/roms/etc.
If a request or idea could generate enough feedback or support, developers would be more informed on what people would want or like to see.
Here are two things that I would personally like to see on my Nexus 4.
On your homescreen, when you press and hold the home button to go to Google Now, is it possible to add shortcuts and or folders to the extra space around the ring? This would allow the user to clean up some screen space by hiding frequent shortcuts.
Also, I would like to see app-specific security (pattern, pin, password) protection. This would allow a user to easily unlock their phone but still have the security they would want for their messaging, facebook, etc.
Thanks for reading.
I'll maintain this thread as best I can and put the best suggestions below.

Best Ideas as of January 02, 2013
Ideas will be added to this list as support is generated.
Ideas will be removed from this list as they are developed or "worked-around."
See the post number for more details.
App-specific security (pattern, pin, password) protection. OP, #1
Simultaneously video recording with both cameras. DonDizzurp, #21
Full calculator as a lock screen widget. AlwaysDroid, #23
5 PNGs as your WiFi/Signal bars. kcls, #32
Multiwindow support. DforDesign, #41

i can add the shrotcuts already in aokp. i think. gimme a sec and ill find out.
edit: yeppers. i guess this is what you are talking about. i dont use them. but i might now that you have talked about cleaning up the home screen.

phermey said:
i can add the shrotcuts already in aokp. i think. gimme a sec and ill find out.
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Thanks for looking. Is it from the homescreen or lockscreen?

oneonezerosix said:
Thanks for looking. Is it from the homescreen or lockscreen?
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the pic i posted was from rom control. and in the navigation bar sub menu. where you add in more buttons and such to the homescreen navbar.

phermey said:
the pic i posted was from rom control. and in the navigation bar sub menu. where you add in more buttons and such to the homescreen navbar.
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Thanks again, I never tried AOKP before, but I certainly will now.

oneonezerosix said:
Thanks again, I never tried AOKP before, but I certainly will now.
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i have used it for a year now. first on att gs2 and now on nexus. in my opinion... it is the supreme rom.

I don't think that XDA is here to have users make requests?

phermey said:
i have used it for a year now. first on att gs2 and now on nexus. in my opinion... it is the supreme rom.
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Wonderful. I'm going to get AOKP this week then. Is this exclusively on AOKP? I haven't seen it elsewhere.

tweaked said:
I don't think that XDA is here to have users make requests?
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probably not blatantly as this thread :angel:, but people have made requests occasionally.

oneonezerosix said:
Wonderful. I'm going to get AOKP this week then. Is this exclusively on AOKP? I haven't seen it elsewhere.
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rom control should be built into most every rom. the features they stick in rom control are different though. i would imagine they all have the navbar deal. its best to flash a rom. find its features and then wipe and add a new rom. and keep going until you find the one you like best. after you find the right one... spend the hours it takes to set up your phone the way you want. for instance.. all of this talkin has caused me to want to throw cyanogen on here to see what those guys have been up to.

tweaked said:
I don't think that XDA is here to have users make requests?
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^^^ What he said
XDA is a development site not a site for users to come beg with requests. If you have any doubt or are unsure of what xda is please click the link below and look at zelendel's post. Hopefully a mod locks this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2439
Sent from my Nexus 4

There's a big difference between posting direct requests in the development forums and posting a thread in the general forum for collecting ideas you think might be cool to have developed one day. There's nothing wrong with this thread and it's not bothering anybody. It's certainly more useful than the hundreds of threads that occur at every device launch complaining about one hardware defect or another. As an amateur developer I think threads like this are cool places to look for ideas that might be fun to tackle.

bedoig said:
There's a big difference between posting direct requests in the development forums and posting a thread in the general forum for collecting ideas you think might be cool to have developed one day. There's nothing wrong with this thread and it's not bothering anybody. It's certainly more useful than the hundreds of threads that occur at every device launch complaining about one hardware defect or another. As an amateur developer I think threads like this are cool places to look for ideas that might be fun to tackle.
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second
except for the am dev part. i dunno devving.

So i was browsing the thread and i came across this, and from the title alone i was ready to shut it down......
But i as i read in to it i had to change my mind. The OP is not blatantly making a request to any specific dev. They are simply stating things they would like to see. Now i know this isnt a place to make you phone look cool and i am obviously aware of the rules. But bedoig brings up a very valid point. Some of the amateur dev's might see this as an opportunity to dig in a little deeper. This is not in the development boards and no one is making a specific request from any of the dev's, so i see no reason to shut this down at this time.
However, since i do not normally moderate this board, then i welcome this boards mods _Arjen_, iridaki, eagleeyetom, YZ, TeeJay3800, Diamondback, AvRS, krook6023 to sidestep my decision if they feel the need to.
@oneonezerosix you may want to consider changing the title of your thread to something that sounds a little less demanding. The Dev's here might take it the wrong way (just a suggestion)

tweaked said:
I don't think that XDA is here to have users make requests?
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requests? no (although ive made my share of requests)
suggestions? sure, to an extent
XDA is here FOR the developers not for the average consumer to pressure devs.
as most xda OG's would say: if you want it done, do it yourself...
if you cant.. then try to learn and get the ball rolling and a dev will probably help you along the way.

mark manning said:
^^^ What he said
XDA is a development site not a site for users to come beg with requests. If you have any doubt or are unsure of what xda is please click the link below and look at zelendel's post. Hopefully a mod locks this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2439
Sent from my Nexus 4
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After reading the post, I can understand your perspective. All that I ask is that you attempt to understand mine as well.
Zelendel stated that, "XDA is a place to come to learn and share your knowledge."
As an amateur developer, I do not know how to develop much of the things that I wish to be able to use. It was my sole intention to facilitate a discussion of new ideas for development from varying levels of skilled members. Even the best developers can dream of new mods/roms/kernels/etc that they may be unable to produce by their own means. Which is reason enough for one to want to request the assistance of others by posting in a thread like this.
If you do not see any value in this thread, then I apologize for wasting your time.

I am not a Dev and get offended for them when someone says "please add this".
But this is a recollection of ideas, honestly, what's wrong in that? Where would the devs be with no ideas?

MatAuc12 said:
I am not a Dev and get offended for them when someone says "please add this".
But this is a recollection of ideas, honestly, what's wrong in that? Where would the devs be with no ideas?
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I agree. This is an "ideas" thread, not targeted at a specific developer. A dev may take this on board and incorporate it, as they might think its a good idea
Fun fact: three marks have posted in this thread hi

OK, back on topic. Who's got ideas?
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app

Official ARM. Project Thread

After much practice into linux, i went for a C coding workshop for android. Basically i doubled, maybe even tripled my skill level. I finally am able to promise you something not pointless to this society which feels great hatred on me. I already got over this. I hope such releases can ease the scams in may.
The new kernel, based on ARM.'s vanilla kernel common, will be a 3.4.11 kernel. It features full tweaks to all over the source. Expect little features on initial release. The releases in the front will be focused entirely on fixing the kernel sources itself. The major merge all the way to the latest kernel version might have caused bugs to appear

nicholaschw said:
After much practice into linux, i went for a C coding workshop for android. Basically i doubled, maybe even tripled my skill level. I finally am able to promise you something not pointless to this society which feels great hatred on me. I already got over this. I hope such releases can ease the scams in may.
The new kernel, based on ARM.'s vanilla kernel common, will be a 3.4.11 kernel. It features full tweaks to all over the source. Expect little features on initial release. The releases in the front will be focused entirely on fixing the kernel sources itself. The major merge all the way to the latest kernel version might have caused bugs to appear
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Again?? Aren't you tired? You went over it but people from the forum certainly not. I absolutely don't wanna argue with you but yesterday Jarred aka Universal SS droped the ARM thread and today you are back.And you are not the same person. Certainly not. You are like bad news,they never fail.

nicholaschw said:
After much practice into linux, i went for a C coding workshop for android. Basically i doubled, maybe even tripled my skill level. I finally am able to promise you something not pointless to this society which feels great hatred on me. I already got over this. I hope such releases can ease the scams in may.
The new kernel, based on ARM.'s vanilla kernel common, will be a 3.4.11 kernel. It features full tweaks to all over the source. Expect little features on initial release. The releases in the front will be focused entirely on fixing the kernel sources itself. The major merge all the way to the latest kernel version might have caused bugs to appear
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Good for you. Hope it works out better this time and test thoroughly before release and after changes.
might is a understatement. It almost certainly will cause bugs to appear (the most common bug is it not booting when major changes are made to the kernel base). Also allot of the bugs from the kernel don't show symtoms they just go wrong and use a few more KB of memory or that bit restarts and causes a slight slowdown or it takes a few milliseconds longer to complete its task etc.
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Again?? Aren't you tired? You went over it but people from the forum certainly not. I absolutely don't wanna argue with you but yesterday Jarred aka Universal SS droped the ARM thread and today you are back.And you are not the same person. Certainly not. You are like bad news,they never fail.
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Your comments (although highly entertaining) don't do much, at least he's trying. Your right though: some information is contradictory.
EDIT: Have a taco

xonar_ said:
Good for you. Hope it works out better this time and test thoroughly before release and after changes.
might is a understatement. It almost certainly will cause bugs to appear (the most common bug is it not booting when major changes are made to the kernel base). Also allot of the bugs from the kernel don't show symtoms they just go wrong and use a few more KB of memory or that bit restarts and causes a slight slowdown or it takes a few milliseconds longer to complete its task etc.
Your comments (although highly entertaining) don't do much, at least he's trying. Your right though: some information is contradictory.
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I don't get it
First it was Nicholas who said he's handing it to a new maintainer, who is Jared, right? And Jared mentioned it has been dropped support
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2034227&page=10
Good news for everyone!ARM. will drop support for the LG optimus black!Hope everyone is happy and have a nice day.(I'll still be in the forums though)Moderators please lock this thread
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And now ARM Project's back?

Yes. He is fed up of this community. So, he turned over to support HTC. I give him my support for DNA. Now, i comeback to finish off what is destroyed, complete whats junk, and make it into something like a useful book into a library. Thanks xonar. I still have one last lesson. I did not learn drivers. edv, as said above, thats my motive. And, the reason why i comeback is the value of my life. You rather change an enemy into a friend rather than gaining more opposition.

nicholas for f--k sake !!! , once you have the kernel going post the topic and flatter yourself ,, you never learn do you

If this is going to turn into a flame war then I'll close it as that's not needed here but as it's posted in General, you should be here to discuss the topic. It's been explained why the other one was dropped but if nicholaschw wants to try develop something out of it let him and just ignore this thread if you don't have anything productive to add to it. This wasn't posted in Development so he's not expected to have the kernel ready to post so discussion is allowed here.
Thanks
AvRS

ARM Project TEAM.
To get away our doubt to you, may I ask you something about your ARM Project?
You have many thread there,
Optimus Black
Optimus 2X
Xperia Arc
HTC Droid DNA
Samsung Galaxy S3; and
Google Nexus 4.
And I got this post,
nicholaschw said:
We are an non-profit organisation alike cyanogenmod, but only focusing on creating a global aftermarket kernel for the Android OS, specifically to remove the major setbacks of linux.
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So you're involved with (kind of) non-profit organization (alike CyanogenMod), can we know who's the members of your team? AFAIK, you don't own the phone in personal. So you (might) develop those kernel alone by yourself, or how many developers in your team?
I read your ARM. Project Recruitment, and it seems no one interested, so this non-profit organization doesn't existed yet, or you already have your own internal team?

redy2006 said:
To get away our doubt to you, may I ask you something about your ARM Project?
You have many thread there,
Optimus Black
Optimus 2X
Xperia Arc
HTC Droid DNA
Samsung Galaxy S3; and
Google Nexus 4.
And I got this post,
So you're involved with (kind of) non-profit organization (alike CyanogenMod), can we know who's the members of your team? AFAIK, you don't own the phone in personal. So you (might) develop those kernel alone by yourself, or how many developers in your team?
I read your ARM. Project Recruitment, and it seems no one interested, so this non-profit organization doesn't existed yet, or you already have your own internal team?
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We currently are five-membered. Xperia is full, me, jared and pidozz. Two more are under evaluation. See ARM.'s git

Good Luck with whatever you're doing, I hope you learn someday.

My better half made me a delicious taco and while eating I read the comments.
It was not my intent to flame, neither argue with anyone. I will rather get drunk and party till morning. Good year everyone.
Sent from my LG-P970 using xda premium

Edvin73 said:
My better half made me a delicious taco and while eating I read the comments.
It was not my intent to flame, neither argue with anyone. I will rather get drunk and party till morning. Good year everyone.
Sent from my LG-P970 using xda premium
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Off topic but good year to you too,here they don't serve tacos
Sent from my LG-P970 using xda premium

hmm, 80% of repos are forked from already good kernels from such devs like gokhanmoral, CM, garwedgess, coolya, etc.
it's like forking Diana kernel then adding a little touch.
Even your "bproj repo" is a clone from huexxx https://github.com/ARMP/bproj-black/blob/master/Makefile#L198 yet you pushed it as initial commit. I understand, maybe you're shy to fork it repo to repo.
Your Makefile on the repo shows:
export KBUILD_BUILDHOST := $(SUBARCH)
#ARCH ?= $(SUBARCH)
ARCH ?= arm
#CROSS_COMPILE ?= $(CONFIG_CROSS_COMPILE:"%"=%)
CROSS_COMPILE ?= /home/huexxx/android/arm-2010q1/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-
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Lol. He gets owned pretty much doesnt he?
In the Nexus 4 forums he told us that he works for google btw.

realfelix said:
Lol. He gets owned pretty much doesnt he?
In the Nexus 4 forums he told us that he works for google btw.
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if i am, i would be in the newspapers. I'm so young. And go look at the post. FATHER. One more thing, this post is useless as gab himself is more capable to give this community a kernel

Thread closed as per OP request.

Goodbye OmniRom~

My galaxy nexus will continue running CyanogenMod for losing surport of OmniRom nightly build.
As CM11.0 is becoming more and more stable,I believe the nightly will coming soon.

We are gutted.

CM Nightlies arent our yet and IT IS BECOMING MORE N MORE STABLE :banghead:

What wait?
So OMNIROM no longer pledge support for Gnex?
Was looking for a 4.4 Kitkat rom from omni guess not...

No maintainer has a Galaxy Nexus. Give us a Galaxy Nexus (or find a maintainer with a Galaxy Nexus), and you'll have 4.4 nightlies.

XpLoDWilD said:
No maintainer has a Galaxy Nexus. Give us a Galaxy Nexus (or find a maintainer with a Galaxy Nexus), and you'll have 4.4 nightlies.
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Ahhh but does that totally rule out Omni for Gnex?
In terms of the final 4.4 release?

qf19910623 said:
My galaxy nexus will continue running CyanogenMod for losing surport of OmniRom nightly build.
As CM11.0 is becoming more and more stable,I believe the nightly will coming soon.
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I'm horrified at how many gnex users whine about omni not having a maintainer... Let all the whiners go to CM, good riddance. If all of you gnex users put as much energy in learning to maintain your own device as you do complaining, you'd probably have a stable release by now.

King p1n said:
Ahhh but does that totally rule out Omni for Gnex?
In terms of the final 4.4 release?
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Blind development is impossible. The device won't be supported until someone from the community steps up and supports it.
There might be an existing maintainer with some spare bandwidth to support one of the gnex variants if provided a device - I personally don't have the time for it.
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I'm horrified at how many gnex users whine about omni not having a maintainer... Let all the whiners go to CM, good riddance. If all of you gnex users put as much energy in learning to maintain your own device as you do complaining, you'd probably have a stable release by now.
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Yup. The best way to get a device supported is to work in it yourself!

Entropy512 said:
Yup. The best way to get a device supported is to work in it yourself!
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... or donate one to a developer.
I personally never understood all these demands to ROM developers. It's not like we're paying them to do it and support it or anything. Must be the new entitlement generation... (Generation E, if you will).

rodrigorajao said:
... or donate one to a developer.
I personally never understood all these demands to ROM developers. It's not like we're paying them to do it and support it or anything. Must be the new entitlement generation... (Generation E, if you will).
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People learning a new skill is by far the better way IMO.
By donating devices to someone, you:
1) Potentially eliminate the opportunity for someone else to do the bringup and gain skills
2) Potentially cause that developer to burn out in the long run - that is why I personally won't be taking on any additional devices for quite a while. I'm spread way too thin as it is.

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karendar said:
I'm horrified at how many gnex users whine about omni not having a maintainer... Let all the whiners go to CM, good riddance. If all of you gnex users put as much energy in learning to maintain your own device as you do complaining, you'd probably have a stable release by now.
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u know one thing that all the developers who know how to develop the roms never help newbies...
i have personally asked how to integrate the custom kernel source to the android source code...nobody helped..
even i asked that person who created that kernel and builds rom using that kernel...so how u expect from us to maintain our own devices...
i m sick of these persons who donot share knowledge...

anurag.dev1512 said:
u know one thing that all the developers who know how to develop the roms never help newbies...
i have personally asked how to integrate the custom kernel source to the android source code...nobody helped..
even i asked that person who created that kernel and builds rom using that kernel...so how u expect from us to maintain our own devices...
i m sick of these persons who donot share knowledge...
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Google is ur friend my dear friend.. There are several tutorials that would help u to help build kernels n roms from source...

anurag.dev1512 said:
u know one thing that all the developers who know how to develop the roms never help newbies...
i have personally asked how to integrate the custom kernel source to the android source code...nobody helped..
even i asked that person who created that kernel and builds rom using that kernel...so how u expect from us to maintain our own devices...
i m sick of these persons who donot share knowledge...
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How do you think we learned ROM development?

anurag.dev1512 said:
u know one thing that all the developers who know how to develop the roms never help newbies...
i have personally asked how to integrate the custom kernel source to the android source code...nobody helped..
even i asked that person who created that kernel and builds rom using that kernel...so how u expect from us to maintain our own devices...
i m sick of these persons who donot share knowledge...
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And I'm sick of people being lazy, so...
If developers on here took the time to help every newbie out there, they wouldn't have any time to do what they do FOR FREE. Yes, you read that right. FREE. The real devs don't ask for donations. The real devs do this on their spare time, out of sheer devotion to the device and the technology. Not because some guy in the boondocks is requesting a feature or a bug fix. They all learned the hard way and SOME do give their time... And their knowledge. They just do it in a strategic way: By documenting on knowledgebases, wikis, articles, forums, etc.
So learn to google, learn to search, learn to learn. That's the TRUE spirit of XDA right there... Not what some of the forums are becoming: Harassment from impatient users who want it all right now for nothing. No offense intended, but "newbs" are only newbs because they choose to be. All the necessary information is out there. And if it's not, and you can show a proper breadcrumb of what you've done to get there, some dev somewhere can see the effort and help out. MAYBE.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to repo sync.
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karendar said:
And I'm sick of people being lazy, so...
If developers on here took the time to help every newbie out there, they wouldn't have any time to do what they do FOR FREE. Yes, you read that right. FREE. The real devs don't ask for donations. The real devs do this on their spare time, out of sheer devotion to the device and the technology. Not because some guy in the boondocks is requesting a feature or a bug fix. They all learned the hard way and SOME do give their time... And their knowledge. They just do it in a strategic way: By documenting on knowledgebases, wikis, articles, forums, etc.
So learn to google, learn to search, learn to learn. That's the TRUE spirit of XDA right there... Not what some of the forums are becoming: Harassment from impatient users who want it all right now for nothing. No offense intended, but "newbs" are only newbs because they choose to be. All the necessary information is out there. And if it's not, and you can show a proper breadcrumb of what you've done to get there, some dev somewhere can see the effort and help out. MAYBE.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to repo sync.
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I've answered tons of questions in IRC... I've documented as much as I can why particular changes are made. However, there's a category of questions that fall into "handholding" because they're easily Googleable, or they are related to skills which can't be easily taught - they can only be learned by doing.
The problem is that every device is different, and the things you need to do in order to get one working are different for every device. If someone has a weird issue and a really esoteric log entry, then it's valid to ask if anyone has seen something similar (although you should Google first).
Learning to be a device maintainer is a long and difficult and frustrating process. Even if you're very experienced and familiar with Android, it requires immense amounts of patience and tons of time reading source code and reading through commit logs. There's no easy step-by-step recipe - it's all about developing troubleshooting and analysis skills, and those are best learned by doing.
Now there are some developers who do a poor job of documenting things - commit messages that are completely uninformative, unrelated changes made in a single commit, etc. - Most contributors to our gerrit know that such practices are a good way to get a -1 from me. (See my sig for a link to some general good practices...)

just listen....
tilal6991 said:
How do you think we learned ROM development?
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i m not asking for help...
i m just trying to show the true face of senior developers...thats all...
first read my reply i havent mentioned that i need help in rom development...i just told the things happened with me...
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karendar said:
And I'm sick of people being lazy, so...
If developers on here took the time to help every newbie out there, they wouldn't have any time to do what they do FOR FREE. Yes, you read that right. FREE. The real devs don't ask for donations. The real devs do this on their spare time, out of sheer devotion to the device and the technology. Not because some guy in the boondocks is requesting a feature or a bug fix. They all learned the hard way and SOME do give their time... And their knowledge. They just do it in a strategic way: By documenting on knowledgebases, wikis, articles, forums, etc.
So learn to google, learn to search, learn to learn. That's the TRUE spirit of XDA right there... Not what some of the forums are becoming: Harassment from impatient users who want it all right now for nothing. No offense intended, but "newbs" are only newbs because they choose to be. All the necessary information is out there. And if it's not, and you can show a proper breadcrumb of what you've done to get there, some dev somewhere can see the effort and help out. MAYBE.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to repo sync.
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i m not asking for help...
i m just trying to show the true face of senior developers...thats all...
first read my reply i havent mentioned that i need help in rom development...i just told the things happened with me...

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I've answered tons of questions in IRC... I've documented as much as I can why particular changes are made. However, there's a category of questions that fall into "handholding" because they're easily Googleable, or they are related to skills which can't be easily taught - they can only be learned by doing.
The problem is that every device is different, and the things you need to do in order to get one working are different for every device. If someone has a weird issue and a really esoteric log entry, then it's valid to ask if anyone has seen something similar (although you should Google first).
Learning to be a device maintainer is a long and difficult and frustrating process. Even if you're very experienced and familiar with Android, it requires immense amounts of patience and tons of time reading source code and reading through commit logs. There's no easy step-by-step recipe - it's all about developing troubleshooting and analysis skills, and those are best learned by doing.
Now there are some developers who do a poor job of documenting things - commit messages that are completely uninformative, unrelated changes made in a single commit, etc. - Most contributors to our gerrit know that such practices are a good way to get a -1 from me. (See my sig for a link to some general good practices...)
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Honestly Entropy, you're one of the developers which I love following in the forums. Your interventions are always informative, you've got a great logic and even though sometimes you can be quite prompt in your way of answering, it's always justified. I have no doubt that you've helped many people and I'm sure your approach is always a "teach a man to fish" approach. I respect you very much, as I do other developers of similar nature, and I felt you should know this. Keep up the good work, and I look forward to reading other post from you.
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i m not asking for help...
i m just trying to show the true face of senior developers...thats all...
first read my reply i havent mentioned that i need help in rom development...i just told the things happened with me...
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You haven't taken the time to read what I've written. Don't generalize and re-read what I've said and what Entropy said...
This is the last intervention I'll do on this thread, as the point is now moot.

ya i know..
karendar said:
Honestly Entropy, you're one of the developers which I love following in the forums. Your interventions are always informative, you've got a great logic and even though sometimes you can be quite prompt in your way of answering, it's always justified. I have no doubt that you've helped many people and I'm sure your approach is always a "teach a man to fish" approach. I respect you very much, as I do other developers of similar nature, and I felt you should know this. Keep up the good work, and I look forward to reading other post from you.
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You haven't taken the time to read what I've written. Don't generalize and re-read what I've said and what Entropy said...
This is the last intervention I'll do on this thread, as the point is now moot.
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its really hard to see your true self...

anurag.dev1512 said:
i m not asking for help...
i m just trying to show the true face of senior developers...thats all...
first read my reply i havent mentioned that i need help in rom development...i just told the things happened with me...
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i m not asking for help...
i m just trying to show the true face of senior developers...thats all...
first read my reply i havent mentioned that i need help in rom development...i just told the things happened with me...
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u know one thing that all the developers who know how to develop the roms never help newbies...
i have personally asked how to integrate the custom kernel source to the android source code...nobody helped..
even i asked that person who created that kernel and builds rom using that kernel...so how u expect from us to maintain our own devices...
i m sick of these persons who donot share knowledge...
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I'm not a dev, but I would think statements like this really discourage them.
I do have a GNex that I haven't had luck selling. Was thinking about donating to Omni devs since they don't seem to have one. However, am having second thoughts if it makes it seem like people who whine and complain get what they want because they whine and complain.
@ Devs: PM me if you are interested in me sending a Verizon GNex to you for ROM development.

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its really hard to see your true self...
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Truer words have never been spoken.
Now please discontinue your whine, women & song and leave.

[ONEPLUS 5] The problem with collaborative projects and what I think about it

Before I start saying anything and before anyone starts ranting or fighting or whatever I want to make one thing crispy clear: I don't want, under any circumstances, to fight or argue in any way with other developers, contributors, users, whatsoever nor do I want to claim anything as correct. I am anytime ready to accept it if I am proven wrong for anything. Show me a proof against what I said and I will accept it. I'm not claiming anything to be right what I'm saying, but as long as it is not proven wrong I'm assuming it is right. Of course some statements base on assumptions and guesses, hence there is no reason for ranting about something particular I said that I am not entirely sure of. I just want to get this out because it has been sitting inside of me for a while and this is the only way I can get it out without offending or insulting anyone.
A statement from my side regarding TWRP and ROMs for the OP5:
I have seen many device trees so far, and the "official" TWRP as well and I'm pretty disappointed to see people not wanting to work together. Of course there are exceptions, for example I have been working together with @benschhold and @gtpitch on TWRP as well as on ROMs and it has been a pretty good experience so far. But I have also seen @Dees_Troy releasing his own TWRP. I tried to contact him and whoever is behind TWRP earlier to get a working TWRP up and running and official. No response. At least I haven't seen anything. I am anytime ready to work together and build working stuff, but I'm not ready to see something that is exactly the same as I did (his TWRP literally has the same, if not more, issues than mine, as far as user reports have told us) and releases it as an official product which should have been tested and does not even fix the issues we have so far.
I know mine is unofficial and I have stated nowhere that this would be official but if you check the sources used for my recovery as well as take the user reports into consideration you will notice that none of the issues we currently have on the now latest recovery image, that is version 72, have been fixed in either mine or his recovery. I would have liked to work together with developers to build a stable, fully working custom recovery with as many parts of it totally free and open-sourced for anyone to inspect. Regarding authorship, I'm anytime ready to correct authors in case they are wrong. What I am not ready for is seeing others taking my work and putting it under their own authorship so that nobody will know about what I did and instead honor the non-existent work of others misleadingly causing the community to think I would have stolen the work from others.
As I already said, I am open to any corrections regarding this.
Another aspect is the custom ROM section. While it's all good and fine to see ROMs coming out for the OP5, none of these are actually stable and fully tested. They might have been flashed and booted up and roughly checked for functionality but not actually tested for quality (not claiming anything here). I really can see a race between ROMs, maybe even a war, everyone perhaps even stealing the work of each other and claiming to be first but of course saying it's super highly experimental and whatsoever.
Why is this happening? I know I have very low reputation for saying anything in this matter, even though I am lead developer and co-founder of a ROM. I don't want to claim that anyone stole my work, and I don't want to be showing examples as they might not even be right because some things can really be done by anyone without seeing what others did. But still, everyone is racing against each other, except for a few ROMs, and trying to say hey yo we brought this rom out for jellyburger super fast and we are the best... blablabla, whatsoever, make sure to decrypt, make sure not to do this not to do that, note this doesn't work.... I guess y'all get the point.
Why do people work against each other and not together? Just trying to be the best, the first, whatsoever? I mean it's cool when you are first and best but it's not cool pretending to be so and in reality just having taken a WIP tree from whatever github profile you just went on and saying your ROM is the first, while in reality you actually don't have any idea about what you are doing. Guys, really.... I appreciate when people do in fact help bringing up custom roms for the OP5, I admit that I also take advantage of that for building my own rom, but I also try to improve it, contribute to it, to make sure others have access to my work and using it without changing authorship. Of course many developers e. g. copy whole directories into their device tree instead of getting the whole commit history in, and, to some extent, that is more or less acceptable, because there is no really convenient way of doing so, but at least, when picking individual commits, do keep authorship. Thanks for your understanding and I hope this community does not become corrupted.
I'm open for a peaceful discussion in this thread, let's get it started!

Cheeseburger developers and testers who can provide logs shall join https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAEN_kkG6_WJe8IlG2Q

nadejo said:
Cheeseburger developers and testers who can provide logs shall join https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAEN_kkG6_WJe8IlG2Q
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Is not a bad beginning, but there actually is a dev group, so in case anyone wants to work together with each other, let me know. (Developers only)

Sad but true how many ROMs for the op5 have there source in the op?
Surely it's better for all of us to work collectively towards building a better base
Sent from my ONEPLUS A5000 using XDA-Developers Legacy app

a g bell said:
Sad but true how many ROMs for the op5 have there source in the op?
Surely it's better for all of us to work collectively towards building a better base
Sent from my ONEPLUS A5000 using XDA-Developers Legacy app
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Trees don't have to be equal but everyone should share contributions and help each other.

xdvs23 said:
Trees don't have to be equal but everyone should share contributions and help each other.
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The general issue here is we all work opensource even if they are official teamwin they could just copycated your changes(im not saying this just assuming), dont want to insult anyone here but thats how it goes opensource projects are open and you cant change this, on the other hand they could actually start working on it legitely even if your recorvery is pretty stable(i would say 99%) they started it before but were able to get it to same point but later. As for now we need more developers in kernel section but i see you doing a good job keep it up my dude. :good:

MasterDomino said:
The general issue here is we all work opensource even if they are official teamwin they could just copycated your changes(im not saying this just assuming), dont want to insult anyone here but thats how it goes opensource projects are open and you cant change this, on the other hand they could actually start working on it legitely even if your recorvery is pretty stable(i would say 99%) they started it before but were able to get it to same point but later. As for now we need more developers in kernel section but i see you doing a good job keep it up my dude. :good:
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The point is that it seems to be that they don't even care about their users. Don't quote me on that, as it might be wrong, but it seems to be that they simply just want to look down on other developers and be the big guys.
While I try to provide good support as much as possible, and release all my changes mostly individually, he simply gave it out once and every now and then might eventually look at the last 5 posts and maybe answer. I mean... I know he probably has alot of work to do but still. Released something officially without even checking for bugs. They say they make sure they provide quality but I can't see the quality there.
And for the other thing you mentioned... Most of the things they have in their tree really seem to be something that has been around for a longer time, but not actually made by themselves and just committed recently:
I don't really know why everyone tells to.keep authorship and maintaining a commit history and what not but end up simply copy and pasting the whole tree and commit that at once. Whatever. If this doesn't stop soon, I will start thinking about whether it is really worth doing this because from my point of view this is just looking down on me and releasing something that does not even work quite as well just to keep me away. I know I might be wrong anytime but this is what it feels like.

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The point is that it seems to be that they don't even care about their users. Don't quote me on that, as it might be wrong, but it seems to be that they simply just want to look down on other developers and be the big guys.
While I try to provide good support as much as possible, and release all my changes mostly individually, he simply gave it out once and every now and then might eventually look at the last 5 posts and maybe answer. I mean... I know he probably has alot of work to do but still. Released something officially without even checking for bugs. They say they make sure they provide quality but I can't see the quality there.
And for the other thing you mentioned... Most of the things they have in their tree really seem to be something that has been around for a longer time, but not actually made by themselves and just committed recently:
I don't really know why everyone tells to.keep authorship and maintaining a commit history and what not but end up simply copy and pasting the whole tree and commit that at once. Whatever. If this doesn't stop soon, I will start thinking about whether it is really worth doing this because from my point of view this is just looking down on me and releasing something that does not even work quite as well just to keep me away. I know I might be wrong anytime but this is what it feels like.
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The next thing here is we shouldn't really assume anything cuz it might be making us look stupid, i would generally say to not care about what they do and i can say that most phones i had, used twrp from users there was no official ones and even if there was it wasn't functioning like other.
Right now how i see it is they opened a thread and called it official(i don't remember if they called it stable) and most users like official stuff so this generally looks funny from your pov, from mine too as i am self called open source developer and i know general ideas behind being open.
The only issue here i can see is that he doesn't respond to you soo it looks bad i really wouldn't assume anything cuz it can piss off a few ppl that's what i want to generally tell you to kindof watch out on the community around this because it already looks weird. If you want you can pm me with your telegram nickname and ill add you to a group where we work on a kernel fixing a small gelatinous issue some(me included) have. Would be for best if he answered to your pms soo you can have a talk and for now it looks like "stolen" work but at the same time we shouldn't assume stuff, for now i don't really know what to say on this whole matter it really looks quite weird and i don't like it too.

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The next thing here is we shouldn't really assume anything cuz it might be making us look stupid, i would generally say to not care about what they do and i can say that most phones i had, used twrp from users there was no official ones and even if there was it wasn't functioning like other.
Right now how i see it is they opened a thread and called it official(i don't remember if they called it stable) and most users like official stuff so this generally looks funny from your pov, from mine too as i am self called open source developer and i know general ideas behind being open.
The only issue here i can see is that he doesn't respond to you soo it looks bad i really wouldn't assume anything cuz it can piss off a few ppl that's what i want to generally tell you to kindof watch out on the community around this because it already looks weird. If you want you can pm me with your telegram nickname and ill add you to a group where we work on a kernel fixing a small gelatinous issue some(me included) have. Would be for best if he answered to your pms soo you can have a talk and for now it looks like "stolen" work but at the same time we shouldn't assume stuff, for now i don't really know what to say on this whole matter it really looks quite weird and i don't like it too.
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Yeah that"s what I thought too but on the other hand, if you don't say anything, then nothing will change. Perhaps it won't change even after saying, but often it does.
You can add me to the telegram group if you want to, pm me the group link and I'll join but I can't promise to constantly be active there throughout the day.

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Yeah that"s what I thought too but on the other hand, if you don't say anything, then nothing will change. Perhaps it won't change even after saying, but often it does.
You can add me to the telegram group if you want to, pm me the group link and I'll join but I can't promise to constantly be active there throughout the day.
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tru dat.