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Support Legend Developers?

Hi all,
This is my first post, although I have been following the group for a long time. My post is motivated by the observation that a massive imbalance exists, particularily in the Legend development community.
There is a huge mass of non-contributing users badgering a small group of hard-working developers, whilst free-loading off the many hours they spend trying to improve the Legend for all of us. (BTW - I'm not pointing any fingers that don't equally apply to myself!) The value of the hours they are putting in is huge, and the return amounts only to the occational humble click of a thanks button.
I have written to the XDA owners and proposed that they implement a system whereby users can donate to a specific thread, and that each month the proceeds of thoses donations are distributed to posters according to the distribution of new "thanks" clicks to them. Unfortunately I have not heard anything in reply, so in the meantime I propose that we start here in the Legend development forum in a less systematic way.
For example; all of us eagerly following ogo2's thread on his Alpha rom should support how we can. We have all heard BlaYO's hesitance to get too involved in that he needs another Legend to do development work on, as he can't render his own out of service for days on end. Absolutely fair point. I would suggest that all active developers in here create a donation account somewhere so that the rest of us ungrateful, free-loading scavengers (again, myself included, and meant in the most positive way! ) can contribute.
Let's get BlaYO a second development Legend, or ogo2 some resources on Linux compilation etc. It's the least we can do, even if we are just selfishly offering to help them, help us
It would not take much, and I am quite certain that anyone who can afford a Legend can also afford to donate $10-20 now and then. What a small price to pay for all the hours that our devs spend working to bring all of us the latest and greatest. Let's give something back!

There were a bunch of users that actually donated to my PayPal account (a few months ago I didn't believe this could happen by the way).
I'd personally object to such a system for various reasons, the main one being complication of something which is a pretty simple in fact: You like the work of someone, you donate (or buy).
Moreover, there are a few CM developers whose work on their device (which happens to use an msm7227 chipset) directly influences the Legend too and therefore my work as well. They are not active in the Legend forum though.
So what I basically want to say: There's a lot of work going on – not hours but weeks – which you might never see because these almost unmoderated boards here are full of you-name-it and every CM developer I know pretty much dislikes XDA for that very reason.
You don't see us (40+ developers) working, but that doesn't mean we aren't.
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Ah, and by the way, I've been busy too, so tiwlan on 2.6.35 is almost finished.

ali ba said:
Ah, and by the way, I've been busy too, so tiwlan on 2.6.35 is almost finished.
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Is this meaning that the new CM7s will have the new kernel?
By the way, what was modified in the kernel source so the tiwlan didn't compile normaly?

I don't need a new Legend, I just need some peace...

There you go
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I don't need a new Legend, I just need some peace...
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Peace be with you

Hmmm... OK, I get that my proposal could have some shortcomings, however the intent is good. It's great to hear that users donated to your Paypal, Ali Ba, perhaps other devs should just publish Paypal details too, and users can direct donations to where they feel they are most deserved?
It is not meant to be fair compensation for the numerous hours spent, as the basic principles of community development should still be the driving force. It could, however, be a token of appreciation from those unable to contribute in any other way.
I can't help but feel that there would be more devs involved with more and faster progress as a consequence, if only there was a little reward in there too. Surely that would be in everybodies interest.
In any event, I offer my thanks to all the devs here, and I would be happy to back that up with a contribution, should you decide to go that way

ali ba said:
Ah, and by the way, I've been busy too, so tiwlan on 2.6.35 is almost finished.
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I was working on getting wl12xx driver working with 2.6.32 kernel but I didn't succeed yet. Is there a reason not to switch to wl12xx driver instead? It also provides soft AP support int the same driver.
Regarding donations, it would be nice if I could donate you via Google checkout.
Thanks.

Yea leave Blay0 alone man, He's getting enough hassle on the Alpha thread as it is! people say they'd like to help then just request more things like a2sd,overclocked kernel etc.If you know anything about linux try helping by trying to build drivers for the last 2 bits (i.e Bluetooth,wifi)

I must say also that there were individuals who offered me donations which I respectfully refused and instead apoint those guys to their nearest charity. I'm not doing this for money (I make money doing other things) I'm just doing it coz I like to know how things work and I always like to learn new things. So if I become bored those donations definitely won't convince me to keep on doing it.
Don't you guys ever think that I'm doing all this for you! Noooope! I'm doing it for me and my own satisfaction. Yes, that's right I'm actualy a selfish, egoistic basterd but in a process of achieving my own goals (which are also inspired by some of your suggestions) I'm really happy if someone else learn something from me. They are few but it doesn't matter... they will definitelly pass on their knowledge and that's important coz I believe knowledge is universal and must be available to anyone willing to accept it and you cannot charge for that.
Don't kidd yourselves, this Legend thingie will be among us at most for another year and then it will get its successors and its community will become even smaller and eventually it will be disbanded and some of us will find new projects, learnig new thing and again passing on all the gained knowledge.

BlaY0 said:
Don't kidd yourselves, this Legend thingie will be among us at most for another year.
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A whole year is an optimistic approach
The main problem in the development of the HTC Legend is the device itself. It's a rare phone, and pretty much a very small group of people is using it. That also makes the group of talented developers thinner. Look at the Hero or SGS forums topic/post count. Sure - most of them are retarded, and previously answered questions, but still folks in the dev section are coding some crazy and amazing stuff. That's because those devices where popular and successful. The HTC Legend was ment to be the successor of the HTC Hero, but this ain't gonna happen. Nobody will remember this phone in a year or two. That's of course HTCs fault, not ours.
Also mentioning all the request, demands and stupid questions in the dev forum - this forum is not that bad
Go check the Nexus S section. For example the NexusSense topic (my girlfriend got a Nexus so I'm somewhat interested). Now that's pure fukcin massacre out there
Greets!
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A whole year is an optimistic approach
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Agreed, I thought Legend was a kickass sucessor, but very few people actually bought it...I've deserted to Desire S, but I think that's a very similar case so far anyways...
But back on topic: The thing is, everyone has an interest in what he's doing and unless he has a gain from that work he wouldn't be doing it But the idea of donating is noble ofcourse
Let's support our developers by not asking stupid and obvious questions, using search button, hitting that freakin' "thanks" button as often as we can, and most importantly by using our own brains to gain even more from their work

Dr.Romca said:
Let's support our developers by not asking stupid and obvious questions, using search button, hitting that freakin' "thanks" button as often as we can, and most importantly by using our own brains to gain even more from their work
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Amen! (10char )

Agree with the great Dr!
PLUS This is a General thread so should be in the general section.....Threads should go into the right forums for a start! Hate to think how many threads there are in the wrong place :/

[Q] Galaxy Ace Roms?

Hey all!
This question as probably been asked a dozen times but I can't find it if it has. So here goes, Is there a list somewhere of UP TO DATE SGA roms? By up to date I mean current as of 09-17-12. I found one on here and props to the user that compilled it but it was last updated March 2012. These roms develop so quick I'd love to be able to keep track of them all I just don't have the time to search through all the threads and forums. Better yet, is there a way to sort the threads based on the thread type? That way it could be grouped by kernel, rom, etc..Any help/ideas are greatly appreciated.

its not the updation matters for a rom.. its all about stability and what and all you expect..
some expect performance and battery life..
some expect cool looks..
its not that updated rom works perfectly always.. sometimes even updates spoil the rom...
so read the whole thread of the rom. replies from peoples.. and then decide on it..
if u tell ur expectations may be we can suggest u the rom

HugoSilva started a http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1888660
Samsung Galaxy Ace ROM`sthread but got a little bit flamed because all Cooper roms and kernels are already in one of two places: the development section and the original development section. The thread titles in these sections often tell you about the rom like kernel, base, version etc. What you don't get from the title you can definitely get from the op. You don't have to search just scroll, but I would suggest to you that if you are too busy / lazy to search then xda might not be the best forum for you.
I have tried pretty much every rom and if you tell me what you are looking for in a rom I would be happy to give you my opinion on the most suitable for you needs.
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The Myth 2 would be perfect for u as it gives good performance battery life n stability! even the looks are cool! moreover u can send msgs of 4 or above pages as in stock or other roms it is converted into mms! hit thnx if helpd

Thanks for alll the replies guys!
I guess I wasn't making myself clear, it's not that I mind searching/scrolling it's just that with all the threads in here it would be easier to be able to sort them based on type. For instance, if it's a rom it's usually stated as such in the thread title. great that's easy! But, what about being able to sort the thread list so all the "ROM" threads are sorted into one spot? Kinda like a library you know? U go to 900s for Science 800s for sports etc. Same Idea here. I don't see a sort by title/Subject option. only date, which is great but you also get kernels and other stuff mixed in.. Just some thoughts to make things easier for everyone that's all. As far as being called "Lazy" I resent that! If you can't take the time and consideration to answer a simple question without the insults then maybe this forum isn't the place for YOU. Just remeber, you were new at this stuff too at one time and probably had a lot of questions too.

gordo1701e said:
Thanks for alll the replies guys!
I guess I wasn't making myself clear, it's not that I mind searching/scrolling it's just that with all the threads in here it would be easier to be able to sort them based on type. For instance, if it's a rom it's usually stated as such in the thread title. great that's easy! But, what about being able to sort the thread list so all the "ROM" threads are sorted into one spot? Kinda like a library you know? U go to 900s for Science 800s for sports etc. Same Idea here. I don't see a sort by title/Subject option. only date, which is great but you also get kernels and other stuff mixed in.. Just some thoughts to make things easier for everyone that's all. As far as being called "Lazy" I resent that! If you can't take the time and consideration to answer a simple question without the insults then maybe this forum isn't the place for YOU. Just remeber, you were new at this stuff too at one time and probably had a lot of questions too.
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Calm down, mate. I didn't say you were lazy. I said if. And maybe you are too busy! It was not meant to insult you. Yes, I was new at this and I'm certainly no expert but I haven't ever felt the need to start a new thread in 15 months of reading xda (I read for a long time before I signed up) because all the questions I ever wanted to ask have already been asked. If you don't believe me check my profile. I have tried to help you as I do everyone on xda.
If you want all the rom threads organised in a certain way, help yourself. If you think it would be helpful to the xda community post it on here but, as I tried to explain, other people have tried. It is a lot of work to maintain because things change all the time and people expect a thread like that to be up to date. Good luck.
Also, if you are new, as you say, may I suggest that you click the links in my signature as there are good hints and tips for new members.
I'm sorry you didn't find my first reply helpful. I'm sorry if this is not helpful either but both were sent without malicious intent.
Peace
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121C4 said:
Calm down, mate. I didn't say you were lazy. I said if. And maybe you are too busy! It was not meant to insult you. Yes, I was new at this and I'm certainly no expert but I haven't ever felt the need to start a new thread in 15 months of reading xda (I read for a long time before I signed up) because all the questions I ever wanted to ask have already been asked. If you don't believe me check my profile. I have tried to help you as I do everyone on xda.
If you want all the rom threads organised in a certain way, help yourself. If you think it would be helpful to the xda community post it on here but, as I tried to explain, other people have tried. It is a lot of work to maintain because things change all the time and people expect a thread like that to be up to date. Good luck.
Also, if you are new, as you say, may I suggest that you click the links in my signature as there are good hints and tips for new members.
I'm sorry you didn't find my first reply helpful. I'm sorry if this is not helpful either but both were sent without malicious intent.
Peace
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no Worries at all. I'm sorry if I took it the wrong way. Just in a bad mood to begin with that day. Again, My Apologies for spouting off there. Really like I said, any help is greatly appreciated!!

You're not a developer (rant)

I've read over the last few days multiple posts coming from more than one person that go like ~"I know what you're taking about, I'm a developer too", "dude I'm not a noob I'm a developer too", "I'm better than you, I can develop my custom ROM", and so on.
Truth is...
You're probably not a developer.
Using dsixda's kitchen, UOT kitchen and winzip (and maybe apktools) does not make you a developer.
Following tutorials and copying/pasting smali code does not make you a developer.
You're an interested user, maybe even a themer, but don't be arrogant. Know the difference.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It's great that everyone is willing to learn, and these methods are a good place to start. But I say again: you're not a developer.
Call yourself an interested user, a ROM cook, a learning newbie, a themer if you're good at that, but not a developer.
Obviously, the same applies to me.
/rant over

You may better specify the answer for
WHO THE DEVELOPER ACTUALLY IS ?
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Well a developer includes in his work researching, designing, implementing, and testing software. A person who develops stand-alone software (that is more than just a simple program) and got involved with all phases of the development (design and code) is a software developer. On the other hand the one that only implements and does the copy paste of the code is called a programmer. I hope that i was specific and i made myself clear.

ok so we are not devs we know that so why make this thread?

GermainZ said:
I've read over the last few days multiple posts coming from more than one person that go like ~"I know what you're taking about, I'm a developer too", "dude I'm not a noob I'm a developer too", "I'm better than you, I can develop my custom ROM", and so on.
Truth is...
You're probably not a developer.
Using dsixda's kitchen, UOT kitchen and winzip (and maybe apktools) does not make you a developer.
Following tutorials and copying/pasting smali code does not make you a developer.
You're an interested user, maybe even a themer, but don't be arrogant. Know the difference.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It's great that everyone is willing to learn, and these methods are a good place to start. But I say again: you're not a developer.
Call yourself an interested user, a ROM cook, a learning newbie, a themer if you're good at that, but not a developer.
Obviously, the same applies to me.
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Well said!! I too am seeing too much negativity and rudeness towards people who come here to learn.
They are new so might not understand the rules, yet, but they are here to learn so we should help them not tell them they are worthless noobs and dont deserve your help.
We all learn here and thats what makes XDA a good place to hang out.
No one on this forum is better than anyone else sore may be more advanced along the learning curve.
Hello! I am Dom, I am an interested user wanting to learn more about android. I can cut and paste and follow tutorials but I am not a developer.

samrulzzz007 said:
ok so we are not devs we know that so why make this thread?
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If you know that, good. Feel free to disregard this rant.

Im new to xda and I posted in a few wrong sections. Would have thought its the end of the world or something. I didn't do it to make some of you mad. But being mean like some are turns people away from this great community. Treat people like you wanna be treated!!! that's all.
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alex_is_the_1 said:
Im new to xda and I posted in a few wrong sections. Would have thought its the end of the world or something. I didn't do it to make some of you mad. But being mean like some are turns people away from this great community. Treat people like you wanna be treated!!! that's all.
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agree with u.. i think they not supposed to threat other that way.. they should be helping not to be mean.. all of us do mistake.. nobody perfect..
peace no war..

alex_is_the_1 said:
Im new to xda and I posted in a few wrong sections. Would have thought its the end of the world or something. I didn't do it to make some of you mad. But being mean like some are turns people away from this great community. Treat people like you wanna be treated!!! that's all.
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Could not have said it better myself, when I came here I was treated well, seems to be only last few weeks/months?? Still
Be nice.

alex_is_the_1 said:
Im new to xda and I posted in a few wrong sections. Would have thought its the end of the world or something. I didn't do it to make some of you mad. But being mean like some are turns people away from this great community. Treat people like you wanna be treated!!! that's all.
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Nobody here has anything against anyone. Yeah some outbursts are uncalled for. But that is rare. Must be some personal problems or somebody having a bad day. Senior members, contributors,developers etc all have gone through that phase. So dont be offended by anybody's rude behaviour. It wasnt , is and will not be anything personal against anyone. If he ir she has been rude to you....they will realize that later on.
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Androidnow said:
Nobody here has anything against anyone. Yeah some outbursts are uncalled for. But that is rare. Must be some personal problems or somebody having a bad day. Senior members, contributors,developers etc all have gone through that phase. So dont be offended by anybody's rude behaviour. It wasnt , is and will not be anything personal against anyone. If he ir she has been rude to you....they will realize that later on.
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I know that everyone here is human (i guess?) and may have a bad day, but the image that xda passes is that she's not welcoming anyone. It already starts with that noob video that makes me to go through a deep depression. Not complaining about xda, but being nice will bring more people, and sooner or later, more developers, making this community bigger and bigger.

mathm2013 said:
I know that everyone here is human (i guess?) and may have a bad day, but the image that xda passes is that she's not welcoming anyone. It already starts with that noob video that makes me to go through a deep depression. Not complaining about xda, but being nice will bring more people, and sooner or later, more developers, making this community bigger and bigger.
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Lol....No u took it all wrong brother. That video isnt about showing anyone down....i have seen it...rather its an informative one accrding to me.....it clearly tells you that "Noob" isnt welcome. Ofcourse....it good to be warned before you start.....newbie is a good thing....people who do not want to read and ask all silly questions when all of it is already mentioned in the OP or a few pages back....are termed as "noobs". When i joined XDA i didnt even had this phone with me....for 6 months what i did was to read and clarified doubts....used google....It has almost every answer to your question...believe . I am still not a developer,nor a themer nor a rom cook....i dont get to spend much time on pc.....even then this googling and reading has given me enough knowledge to clarify my doubts myself. XDA is not a human or animal.....its all of us together....that video was sarcastic and informative. Such videos dont depress you...its the people here on XDA who are responsible for your depression and happiness. And as far as i know...here people are quiet helpful....just a few "anger bursts" but that i believe is quiet fine and normal... We have people from all cultures and countries. Diffrences do tend to occur.

Where do u suggest to start to learn if I know these "basic" things and I'd like to be a developer of this phone?

wolverinemaister said:
Where do u suggest to start to learn if I know these "basic" things and I'd like to be a developer of this phone?
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This thread is still alive?
There are plenty of tutorials here and in the development section. You can also check the ROM cooking XDA forum.

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Lol....No u took it all wrong brother. That video isnt about showing anyone down....i have seen it...rather its an informative one accrding to me.....it clearly tells you that "Noob" isnt welcome. Ofcourse....it good to be warned before you start.....newbie is a good thing....people who do not want to read and ask all silly questions when all of it is already mentioned in the OP or a few pages back....are termed as "noobs". When i joined XDA i didnt even had this phone with me....for 6 months what i did was to read and clarified doubts....used google....It has almost every answer to your question...believe . I am still not a developer,nor a themer nor a rom cook....i dont get to spend much time on pc.....even then this googling and reading has given me enough knowledge to clarify my doubts myself. XDA is not a human or animal.....its all of us together....that video was sarcastic and informative. Such videos dont depress you...its the people here on XDA who are responsible for your depression and happiness. And as far as i know...here people are quiet helpful....just a few "anger bursts" but that i believe is quiet fine and normal... We have people from all cultures and countries. Diffrences do tend to occur.
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Yeah, man, you're right. Because of your answer, i've realized that being a noob is not a bad thing. Everyone started as a noob. Act like one is the problem. Starting a new thread to ask if we got jelly bean means asking for a "anger burst". Exactly like you said, by having a Galaxy Ace I/C/M, we got a lot of countries, like Brazil (from me) and countries from Asia. So, thanks for your answer, and sorry for your trouble.

GermainZ what you explained in the first post isn't developing, it's programming.
Everyone can be a developer, as long as they're helping the project, even if its only reporting glitches, bugs etc, they're still developers.
Programming on the other hand requires some experience but isn't that difficult as you think it might be, Just look at python lol, pretty much anyone who knows english can write in that.
I think you might need do a little research before posting such ****ty threads.

Qnrx said:
GermainZ what you explained in the first post isn't developing, it's programming.
Everyone can be a developer, as long as they're helping the project, even if its only reporting glitches, bugs etc, they're still developers.
Programming on the other hand requires some experience but isn't that difficult as you think it might be, Just look at python lol, pretty much anyone who knows english can write in that.
I think you might need do a little research before posting such ****ty threads.
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This is out of context now.
If I remember correctly, when I posted this, there was some kind of flame war going on between ROM cooks/users (not sure what exactly it was about, or who was involved - it doesn't matter). This thread was mostly to show that while everybody appreciates the effort, they shouldn't act as if they are superior. You really should have been there to understand.
The whole OP is exaggerated for that (and FYI, since you mentioned it, I can code basic stuff in C++/Java, and more advanced stuff in Python, tho I prefer Python as it's neat, has one of the best documentations I've seen, and I can execute it directly from within my bash scripts without any extra steps).

Qnrx said:
GermainZ what you explained in the first post isn't developing, it's programming.
Everyone can be a developer, as long as they're helping the project, even if its only reporting glitches, bugs etc, they're still developers.
Programming on the other hand requires some experience but isn't that difficult as you think it might be, Just look at python lol, pretty much anyone who knows english can write in that.
I think you might need do a little research before posting such ****ty threads.
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He wasnt showing anyone down....but he was just clearing the air as there were quite a number of people who were calling themselves developers and were showing some superiority in their behaviour with newbies or even other members.....which in any point is not acceptable. Doesnt matter whether you are recognised developer,themer, elite member or moderator.....here every one is contributing in their own way and every one is in the same level.

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He wasnt showing anyone down....but he was just clearing the air as there were quite a number of people who were calling themselves developers and were showing some superiority in their behaviour with newbies or even other members.....which in any point is not acceptable. Doesnt matter whether you are recognised developer,themer, elite member or moderator.....here every one is contributing in their own way and every one is in the same level.
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if thats the case then, thank you for clearing everything up.

Qnrx said:
if thats the case then, thank you for clearing everything up.
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And anything else you want to say to Germainz for that " Sh***y thread" comment above?

[Q] Sources for NovaThor U8500?

Hi community, I have a question. Is out there a way to get the sources from novathor? Can we push to ST to release sources?
We can do this with the Xperia P, U and sola users, they want that too.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2171038
And is a igloo kernel for our SoC, but I think it is very buggy.
http://www.igloocommunity.org/gitwe...og;h=29a3e1ef73daaa91cbf5cce2fb475f1878254402
And one last thing, I've founded this on Igloo dev section support.
http://www.igloocommunity.org/support/Android_Releases#Jelly_Bean
Is for our SoCs I think.
So can we make a good request to ST or igloo? my idea is to push them to release a consistent source for our SoC.
Any dev or user with time can help me?, I'll find some experience user in Xperia U forum and deliver to him my idea if he want to colaborate.
EDIT: Can we use this SE Novathor U8500 source from CM git to port or build CM for our device?
https://github.com/CyanogenMod/sony-kernel-u8500/tree/jellybean

Lol. You think we don't know about igloo?
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Shaaan said:
Lol. You think we don't know about igloo?
I do not respond to tech support via PM
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Sorry, I'm just a noob that has discovered america
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Shaaan said:
Lol. You think we don't know about igloo?
I do not respond to tech support via PM
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Because replying in a friendly fashion is just too mainstream...

JoaoGuiPan said:
Because replying in a friendly fashion is just too mainstream...
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You guys forgot that in a first time you was a noob user too. If you wanna respect from other "non experienced users", please respect them too.
This forum is not for devs and gods, is for people that deserve a right answer for their questions. Unless obviously disrespectful commit.

d14gvn said:
You guys forgot that in a first time you was a noob user too. If you wanna respect from other "non experienced users", please respect them too.
This forum is not for devs and gods, is for people that deserve a right answer for their questions. Unless obviously disrespectful commit.
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Agree with you.....
Samsung Galaxy S Advance
Rom : Jelly Bean 4.1.2 I9070XXLQ4
Kernel: CoCore E-4.4-TWRP
I Am WhAt I Am

First things first! I wasn't rude in my reply. If you felt so, then i am sorry.
d14gvn said:
You guys forgot that in a first time you was a noob user too. If you wanna respect from other "non experienced users", please respect them too.
This forum is not for devs and gods, is for people that deserve a right answer for their questions. Unless obviously disrespectful commit.
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Yes. I was a noob too. But there was a big difference. Every time we even thought about posting a new thread, we used to fear. Every time we tried to kang, we used to take permissions from every person involved. Things were very different back then. People used to read, search! Now i hardly see anyone actually reading or even searching for answers. Want an answer, make a thread. This is what xda has come down to.
This forum is not for devs and gods, is for people that deserve a right answer for their questions.
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Well then i can only say that you haven't understood xda AT ALL.
Xda was made with the main motive for developers to share their work and seek help from other developers. XDA was meant to be a discussion platform.!
Now ask your own self. How many of you follow the forum rules? How many of you actually read!? I generally don't term anyone as a noob. But this forum takes the worst out of me. No matter how many times someone tries to tell something. Some people just fail to understand!
Some people call me Android police. Why? Just because i reciprocate?
I mean look at cocafe or Diego. If you notice carefully, they are slowly abandoning all threads. Now you guys can understand what i am saying!
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First things first! I wasn't rude in my reply. If you felt so, then i am sorry.
Yes. I was a noob too. But there was a big difference. Every time we even thought about posting a new thread, we used to fear. Every time we tried to kang, we used to take permissions from every person involved. Things were very different back then. People used to read, search! Now i hardly see anyone actually reading or even searching for answers. Want an answer, make a thread. This is what xda has come down to.
Well then i can only say that you haven't understood xda AT ALL.
Xda was made with the main motive for developers to share their work and seek help from other developers. XDA was meant to be a discussion platform.!
Now ask your own self. How many of you follow the forum rules? How many of you actually read!? I generally don't term anyone as a noob. But this forum takes the worst out of me. No matter how many times someone tries to tell something. Some people just fail to understand!
Some people call me Android police. Why? Just because i reciprocate?
I mean look at cocafe or Diego. If you notice carefully, they are slowly abandoning all threads. Now you guys can understand what i am saying!
I do not respond to tech support via PM
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Dude, I agree with you that XDA was born to be a developer forum and that cocafe and diego are indeed slowly abandoning all threads BUT, when new people start to take interest in this, and I mean real interest, you simply throw some rocks at them! And then they leave too ¬¬
There is simply too much information about Android and sometimes it's practically IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND THEM ALL! I had never heard of igloo before, and when someone gathers a whole bunch of information and asks in the GENERAL section, not the DEV one, about it, you treat as if he was asking how to get JetMod 3 working on JELLY BEAN!!!!

JoaoGuiPan said:
Dude, I agree with you that XDA was born to be a developer forum and that cocafe and diego are indeed slowly abandoning all threads BUT, when new people start to take interest in this, and I mean real interest, you simply throw some rocks at them! And then they leave too ¬¬
There is simply too much information about Android and sometimes it's practically IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND THEM ALL! I had never heard of igloo before, and when someone gathers a whole bunch of information and asks in the GENERAL section, not the DEV one, about it, you treat as if he was asking how to get JetMod 3 working on JELLY BEAN!!!!
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I already said that i had no intentions of being rude. If i sounded rude, i have already apologized!
And for the record, i do encourage such posts.
Also, a simple search on Google will provide you with the igloo git!
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Shaaan said:
... Also, a simple search on Google will provide you with the igloo git!
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If you do a simple search in GENERAL SECTION about the novathor SoC (I mean discussion to port CM or anything about that)
You will find THIS, THIS, THIS and THIS
And the thread that inspired me to create this one is this thread., that is in another phone section
I didn't find a proper discussion thread about that so I created one, did you see a genuine discussion thread about de NT SoC and a discussion to find a way to get all the proper drivers for the SoC on JB? In xda general, questions you will don't find it.
Do you think that is a noob way to explain a situation and make some questions to get opinions?
Finnaly, in this thread Shaaan, the first post can be an example for you, that guy was respectful.
I can understand that you find all of those information months (even years) ago, but if you don't publish that, we will don't know that you have knowloedge about that stuff.
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Signed !
Envoyé depuis mon GT-I9070

Sooo.. im still in same position that i believe that some threads have to be open only for devs and give for one or two users (shut_down is the best example) the info, releases, changes, etc. to be posted in general section for the rest of users. That is the best way to separate the devs works in one place and the rest of users in other place because leaves a good workspace for devs without noobs interrumpting..
I will sign when arrive home, im on bus now and its hard with the extra full people capacity in it..
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I rofl'd .
I can't believe there someone more sensitive than me
Don't rail at me when I make mistakes, I'm a sensitive guy and there's a high chance I might turn unstable.

Signed. Might help the Ace II community.

JoaoGuiPan said:
when new people start to take interest in this, and I mean real interest, you simply throw some rocks at them! And then they leave too ¬¬
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I will throw rocks. Only the person who can come out successfully out of it can do some valuable contribution to the community! If a person leaves developing just because he was flamed, then he wasn't destined to be a dev at the first place!
Don't get me wrong here, but if you really want to do something for the community, this is the way to go.
I am what i am (no matter how small i am, but i think i have earned atleast 2% of respect on xda), because people threw rocks at me when i was new. That is the hard way of learning, but it is the best one.
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back at the topic guys. i am a user of xperia sola that uses the novathor u8500 soc and i created that petition. we need to fight and get those sources atleast the essential ones.
if we dont have those source, chances are we will be stuck at 4.1. i was contacted by a person working at novathor on google+. i was dealing with him. he kept telling us about the igloo community and snowball board, i told him they arent of help. he said he would sound the insiders regarding our situation. no response yet :\. need your support too.

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back at the topic guys. i am a user of xperia sola that uses the novathor u8500 soc and i created that petition. we need to fight and get those sources atleast the essential ones.
if we dont have those source, chances are we will be stuck at 4.1. i was contacted by a person working at novathor on google+. i was dealing with him. he kept telling us about the igloo community and snowball board, i told him they arent of help. he said he would sound the insiders regarding our situation. no response yet :\. need your support too.
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Just signing a petition won't help. Get the devs involved. And mean all devs working on STE UX500
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STE Novathor U8500 Sources
STE novathor u8500 sources
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2625365
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49799159&postcount=149
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49800053&postcount=152
Please download before it disappears!

Android O

Remember Android N CyanogenMod Beta? Let's create another one for Android O! I loved those times. If I was a developer, I would have started it already :crying: but I'm not, so I'm asking others...

michel sedgh said:
Remember Android N CyanogenMod Beta? Let's create another one for Android O! I loved those times. If I was a developer, I would have started it already :crying: but I'm not, so I'm asking others...
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can you please stop posting such useless crap?
we all know that Android O is out, so wait till you get the first custom roms ..

The image just released and it certainly will take quite some time for developers to complie a custom ROM.

Moderators really need to step up their game to remove these worthless posts...
FYI: YOU are the person that demotivates devs with all these captain obvious questions and whines about ETA's. Congratulations on only making it take longer.
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michel sedgh said:
Remember Android N CyanogenMod Beta? Let's create another one for Android O! I loved those times. If I was a developer, I would have started it already :crying: but I'm not, so I'm asking others...
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It's never too late to become a developer. When you have a problem, do you always wait expecting someone fixing it for you ? I hope not. Don't waste your time crying and waiting, nobody was born as a developer. Start learning now, you'll know already a lot before Android O is released on your phone.

paultje162 said:
Moderators really need to step up their game to remove these worthless posts...
FYI: YOU are the person that demotivates devs with all these captain obvious questions and whines about ETA's. Congratulations on only making it take longer.
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I would think such things would motivate developers. "Wow the community wants this quicker, I'm gonna show them I'm capable" something like that lol

I don't see anything wrong with a thread to discuss the upcoming roms. It's cool

justin654 said:
I would think such things would motivate developers. "Wow the community wants this quicker, I'm gonna show them I'm capable" something like that lol
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No not even close really. See here is something many users dont understand. Developers dont make things for them (ok some glory hounds do but those people are normally complete idiots) Developers make the roms for themselves and decide to share it. Why do you think most teams do not support a device they dont own? Developers have no desire to prove anything really. To be honest, the real developers are some of the most anti-social people you will ever meet. This is the reason most dont even bother posting. They use other people as their voice.
As for fast. Well you can get something fast or you can get something done right. Considering there are no blobs or kernel source for this device anything that does come out before 1+ releases their update will be nothing more then a cheap hack.

This thread doesn't look to have a forseeable direction, This thread is now closed.