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Hi Guys,
I've been wondering for a few days, Sony is basically making the "Waterproof" function of this phone as the main selling point.
I'm just curious as to how the insurance and warranty is going to be affected by the water proof.
As I know most insurances claim its water damage and say its not covered.
Can they still do this with the Xperia, as its water proof?
Are warranties etc going to change incorporating the water-proof(ness).
Thanks.
It's not water-proof, it's water-resistant.
The water seals inside the phone will still void your warranty if voided, its just like a water proof camera, if YOU haven't secured your waterproof flaps/seals properly and then submerge it, then it is user error.
Wait a minute, so why the hell do they claim "Water-PROOF" whens it not.
So basically, you couldn't just wash it off like the advert.
Define RESISTANT compared to PROOF....?
??? It is water resistant, I washed my xperia z a few times now, mostly as a show of, and also spent some time in the bath with it watching....
Nevermind point is when you don't close the flaps and submerge it the sensors underneath the flaps turn red, making warranty void, but if there is water damage without the flap sensors tripping, then you are covered by warranty, some users are worried about the flaps turning red, but for me they are still white eventhough I submerged the phone in water several times now.
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bucho2004 said:
??? It is water resistant, I washed my xperia z a few times now, mostly as a show of, and also spent some time in the bath with it watching.... PPPOOORRRNNN
Nevermind point is when you don't close the flaps and submerge it the sensors underneath the flaps turn red, making warranty void, but if there is water damage without the flap sensors tripping, then you are covered by warranty, some users are worried about the flaps turning red, but for me they are still white eventhough I submerged the phone in water several times now.
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Hmm, what flaps?
Sony is deceiving me here. I though it was water-proof !!
Wilks3y said:
Hmm, what flaps?
Sony is deceiving me here. I though it was water-proof !!
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Erm... There are flaps on the phone covering every port and I'm sure the Xperia Z is advertised as water resistant. Not waterproof. It can still witstand being submerged underwater for up to 30mins and 100m though.
I guess you mean 1m and not 100m. But that would have been nice for deep sea diving.
anjath said:
I guess you mean 1m and not 100m. But that would have been nice for deep sea diving.
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Hahahah XD Yeah! My bad! Was doing Math while typing that post
Math screws up your brain.
If i am not wrong, the spec states ip7 and ip5.ip 5 would likely be water resistant while ip 7 is water proofing
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bkbatboy said:
If i am not wrong, the spec states ip7 and ip5.ip 5 would likely be water resistant while ip 7 is water proofing
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So whats the use in the flaps?
Why not just remove the flaps and then theres no chance of you messing up?
PokerFaze said:
Hahahah XD Yeah! My bad! Was doing Math while typing that post
Math screws up your brain.
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Maths obliterates your brain !!
Originally Posted by bkbatboy
If i am not wrong, the spec states ip7 and ip5.ip 5 would likely be water resistant while ip 7 is water proofing
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You are wrong, it is
IP55 = Limited dust ingress protection low pressure water jets from any direction
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IP57 = Limited dust ingress protection immersion between 15cm and 1m depth
And as long as the flaps are closed you'll be a ok.
biffsmash said:
Originally Posted by bkbatboy
If i am not wrong, the spec states ip7 and ip5.ip 5 would likely be water resistant while ip 7 is water proofing
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You are wrong, it is
IP55 = Limited dust ingress protection low pressure water jets from any direction
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IP57 = Limited dust ingress protection immersion between 15cm and 1m depth
And as long as the flaps are closed you'll be a ok.
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What the heck, I need to see one of these in real I think.
I really wanted one but now with all the talk of flaps I'm thinking twice...
go ahead and get it. this is the most rugged high end phone to date and probably for the entire year 2013. all the best.
Wilks3y said:
What the heck, I need to see one of these in real I think.
I really wanted one but now with all the talk of flaps I'm thinking twice...
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The flaps don't really disturb, To charge the phone you can use the dock, and for listening to music (if you do that a lot) you can go with bluetooth earphones.
And I've submerged my phone also in a galss of water and also took it into the shower, you should just make sure that you dry your phone before openening the flaps again, then avaerything should be fine
Great, Xperia looks like my upgrade then. May see some of you around here in a few months time when I'll be an owner
Have fun all, thanks very much for your responses.
Do you maybe know any kind of protecting film or ligth waterproof case that could fit XZR for undersea snapshots? I'd like to make some underwater photos in ocean/sea like reef corals or colorful fish but I would avoid risking salt water to ruin speaker, buttons or mic. Swimming pool shooting works quite well without any problems.
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dsa88 said:
Do you maybe know any kind of protecting film or ligth waterproof case that could fit XZR for undersea snapshots? I'd like to make some underwater photos in ocean/sea like reef corals or colorful fish but I would avoid risking salt water to ruin speaker, buttons or mic. Swimming pool shooting works quite well without any problems.
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ok, what i'm about to say is only a suggestion and is not proven facts nor do i take responsebility on it but:
salt water are more dengerous than tap water if you let them linger and dry, so the salt and other minerals starts attacking your flaps and rubber.
basicly if you wash your device throughly in fresh water right after dipping it in salt water it should be perfectly fine.
now chlorine water in pools might be a different case, cos the chlorine is quite agressive.
Take a DC or DV that provided waterproof shell . You can easily clean or change waterproof shell and you don't need to record sounds under salt water.
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Will the Sony Xperia Z1 work in ocean water? I know it'll work in the shower, pool, etc. but I was wondering if anybody had taken it to the beach or gone snorkeling or swimming in the ocean with it yet. And if so, what was your experience with it? I am asking because I am planning on getting this phone and I currently have a waterproof Sony Cybershot DSC-TX20 and I've taken that thing everywhere and it hasn't failed me yet, so I'm curious if the Xperia Z1 will be more or less equal to the water proofing of the DSC-TX20. Thanks!
In the user's manual it us very clearly stated. No salt water immersion.
Sendt fra min XPERIA Z1 6903
Yeah...touch screen doesn't like salt
Maybe it'll work but you'll scratch your screen if you don't wash it right away...
But I wouldn't recommend that..
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Wouldn't recommend it. The sea water is bad news for the rubber seals and will cause them to become brittle and fall apart. That's why u don't see many soft rubber things in the sea only hardened plastics.
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tyler.samse said:
Will the Sony Xperia Z1 work in ocean water? [...] I am asking because I am planning on getting this phone and I currently have a waterproof Sony Cybershot DSC-TX20 and I've taken that thing everywhere and it hasn't failed me yet, so I'm curious if the Xperia Z1 will be more or less equal to the water proofing of the DSC-TX20. Thanks!
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Very risky, if you have a problem warranty won't works.
tyler.samse said:
Will the Sony Xperia Z1 work in ocean water? I know it'll work in the shower, pool, etc. but I was wondering if anybody had taken it to the beach or gone snorkeling or swimming in the ocean with it yet. And if so, what was your experience with it? I am asking because I am planning on getting this phone and I currently have a waterproof Sony Cybershot DSC-TX20 and I've taken that thing everywhere and it hasn't failed me yet, so I'm curious if the Xperia Z1 will be more or less equal to the water proofing of the DSC-TX20. Thanks!
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The salt water will corrode the exposed leads in the magnetic adaptor port.
Hi,
I used my Sony Xperia z1 under the water and took some great photos, however about an hour later i have noticed the quality of the photos taken is not as good anymore specially when you zoom in. i dont know what to do as my phone is out of guarantee.
thank you for your help.
egyptian_guide said:
Hi,
I used my Sony Xperia z1 under the water and took some great photos, however about an hour later i have noticed the quality of the photos taken is not as good anymore specially when you zoom in. i dont know what to do as my phone is out of guarantee.
thank you for your help.
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Could be water condensing on the inside of the lens. Can you see any water drops in there? If so, they should dry out with time
301stSpartan said:
Could be water condensing on the inside of the lens. Can you see any water drops in there? If so, they should dry out with time
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i can't see any water drops in the lens, it has been 2 weeks since i used it in water. any other suggestions ?
egyptian_guide said:
i can't see any water drops in the lens, it has been 2 weeks since i used it in water. any other suggestions ?
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If you posted some example pictures it would help. No one can give you advice without seeing your issues first hand.
egyptian_guide said:
i can't see any water drops in the lens, it has been 2 weeks since i used it in water. any other suggestions ?
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It's probably because you were in colder water that the air.
Lenses now have "fog" inside...
It's the question will it ever dry.
That shouldn't happen but it obviously did.
It wasn't sea? Right?
Seawater, of course, will damage whole device.
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funky0308 said:
It's probably because you were in colder water that the air.
Lenses now have "fog" inside...
It's the question will it ever dry.
That shouldn't happen but it obviously did.
It wasn't sea? Right?
Seawater, of course, will damage whole device.
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yea, it was sea water. so is there ANYTHING i can do??
egyptian_guide said:
yea, it was sea water. so is there ANYTHING i can do??
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After that you should washed the phone under sink. Now who knows? If the lens are clean put the phone into the rise for all night.
Uff...that's not good.
Seawater could really destroy lenses.
Could you see some micro scratches on it?
I'm not sure it's suitable for salt water, not because of the water but because of salt in it...
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yea, it was sea water. so is there ANYTHING i can do??
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When I had my Z I did the same thing, and had the same problem you currently have with your Z1.
I put the water on full blast in my sink, as close to "luke arm" as possible, in my attempt to get it to a "room temperature" level. I opened the Camera app and set it to auto-focus, so essentially the lense was moving up and down unable to focus, and turned screen timeout to 10 minutes. I then put the lens of the camera under the stream and left it there for ~3 minutes. Literally left the device in the sink with the plug open
Came back, dried it off, turned the device off, and left it on top of my fireplace covered in a moisture absorbing cloth (from the gym) overnight.
NOTE: My fireplace is an electric fireplace, and doesn't output heat very efficiently. The top of my fireplace is a mantle where I (during xmas) keep chocolates and similar items, which DON'T melt, so that gives you a level of temperature. I can't take any responsibility if you melt your phone or cook the screen or something.
The phone works fine now, however I've since sold it for my Z1.
EDIT: If there's scratches on the lens, go grab some regular, plain white peppermint toothpaste. None of this fancy "tartar control" or "Whitening" crap, just dollar store peppermint flavoured regular toothpaste. Take a small amount on a fiber free swab (note: different from Q-Tips), and rub slightly on the lens. Don't press into it, but do it firmly. The fiber free swab shouldn't be breaking, so use that amount of pressure. Rub for ~1 minute, and then rinse off with water and a microfiber cloth.
Not good man, Z1 is waterproof but NOT against sea water, this can oxidate the entire phone, you know when you leave the ocean and you stay with some salt particle on your body? Your phone should be with the same salt particle on the lens, try to check...
Hi,
The water proof feature is nice. However, I prefer sea water for snorkeling etc. So given corrosiveness of salt it's probably not a good idea.
Still from many reports people seem to have it surviving even salt water submersions when not too long and rinsing it immediately afterwards with fresh water.
But i don't want to dessctroy my nice Z3C obviously, so been looking for intermediate solution, like sealed zip bags or so, that would prevent it from too much wate rcontact, and if it leaks or whatever, it will still not die.
Any idea what could be used , if possible not too big to fit the Z3, and still let take some pics?
The phone is not rated for salt water, so I wouldn't want to try it. Salt water splashes from waves are probably fine.
I also wonder if Sony has a way of telling if salt water got in the phone should you have to send it in for warranty service. Plus, it's also gonna be much easier to inadvertently exceed the depth rating in the ocean. Definitely best to get a dry bag of some kind IMO.
Something like this: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1035195-REG/loksak_lok_alok3_4x7_3_aloksak_bags_4_5x7.html
Or this: http://www.amazon.com/FRIEQ®-Universal-Waterproof-Carrying-iPhone/dp/B00AW2QT8I/ref=pd_cp_sg_0
There are a ton of waterproof phone cases/bags out there. Just be sure to pick one that promises super-clear plastic for photos.
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Sorry for wrong forum and thanks for moving it.
I finally ordered one of these: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AW2QT8I/ref=pe_385040_121528360_TE_dp_1
Will see how it works with the Z3C
Excuse me... Why should the Z3C not be waterproof in saltwater???
I really cannot see the problem? It is not that saltwater is more wet than "normal" water...
The saltwater will leave some salt when it is dry but you could easily remove this by putting the Z3C in water without salt for some minutes...
I don't believe the salt will do much good to the oliphobic coating of the screen or audio connector.
We are talking about 30 minutes of contact with salt...? To play it safe you use it in salt water for 20 minutes and then put it in normal water for 5 minutes and all the salt is gone...?
And by the way are both the power button and the audio connector made of aluminium...? And why would salt ruin the oliphobic coating of the screen...?
I could understand if pool water with chlorine could do something to the screen but since Sony advertise that you can use it in the pool then that shouldn't be a problem...
Salt is more corrosive unlike chlorine
cyphomatic said:
Salt is more corrosive unlike chlorine
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In contact with iron, yes...Plastic, glass and aluminium, no - not for a 30 minute contact...
Foxhunter123 said:
In contact with iron, yes...Plastic, glass and aluminium, no - not for a 30 minute contact...
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Indeed, I believe that the audio connector might be a weak spot. It sure isn't aluminum. I had other waterproof equipment before with an audioconnector that came into contact with seawater, wich turned out very bad. I won't take a chance.
I will try my Z3c within a week or so when I'm in the Canary Islands.
Have used my previous phone, Xperia ZR, in saltwater many times. No problem at all!
Dont do it. The water proof is only for freshwater.
You may want to read this page : http://support.sonymobile.com/global-en/xperiaz3compact/dm/water-and-dust-resistance/
Never immerse your device in salt water or let the micro USB port, headset jack or other uncovered parts come into contact with salt water. If you’re washing dishes by hand, avoid letting your device come into contact with the detergent or any other liquid chemicals.
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If your Sony smartphone or tablet is waterproof to IPX8 standard*, then you can use it in a chlorinated swimming pool. However, avoid keeping the device in the pool for too long and remember to rinse it off thoroughly with fresh water once you get out.
Over time, chlorinated water can corrode the rubber seals, so prolonged use in chlorinated water is not recommended. But if you want to use your device to get underwater close-ups of a spectacular dive or your child’s first swimming lesson, go ahead.
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Apart from the fact that Sony says don't immerse the phone in salt water, common sense suggests the copper contacts of the mag charger and headphone jack will not fair well (salt water will leave a nice oxide layer on both, which will impact the conductivity). A few minutes and very careful cleaning of the jack (not just a quick rinse) will probably be OK, but then we also have no idea how the glass coating, camera lens coating and various waterproofing membranes will fair in salt water. Knowing the corrosive nature of salt water and Sony's warning I certainly wouldn't risk dunking it in the ocean. YMMV
There was one story of a z2 that survived after being submerged for 6 weeks in salt water
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony...g-submerged-in-salt-water-for-6-weeks_id59223
I've used both my previous Z1 Compact and now my Z3 Compact in saltwater, not an issue at all.
Just pour some fresh water on it afterwards.
Blue grotto, long swim from gradola. no problem later
Use a condom, tie a knot waterproof
pakjebakmeel said:
Use a condom, tie a knot waterproof
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For playing safe, you should use one of those waterproof bags for smartphones if you want to take your phone for dives in salt water so necesserily.
You would normally be right
Foxhunter123 said:
Excuse me... Why should the Z3C not be waterproof in saltwater???
I really cannot see the problem? It is not that saltwater is more wet than "normal" water...
The saltwater will leave some salt when it is dry but you could easily remove this by putting the Z3C in water without salt for some minutes...
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However, the frame is aluminium, which doesn't play nice with salt water.