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[Q] Fresh Water only??

Hi all,
As described by XZR IP58 rating, the water proof capability is 1.5meters for 30 minutes in fresh water only.
I wonder what they really mean, and what will happen if I submerge my phone in other medium, salt water - sea for example.
I mean hey, all these waterproof is just about the water pressure exerting on the phone right?
What if I take the phone and go into the sea for <1meter and <5mins?
Has anyone try that?

CressKH said:
Hi all,
As described by XZR IP58 rating, the water proof capability is 1.5meters for 30 minutes in fresh water only.
I wonder what they really mean, and what will happen if I submerge my phone in other medium, salt water - sea for example.
I mean hey, all these waterproof is just about the water pressure exerting on the phone right?
What if I take the phone and go into the sea for <1meter and <5mins?
Has anyone try that?
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seawater may damage the rubber seals. it might leave residue of salt

CressKH said:
Hi all,
As described by XZR IP58 rating, the water proof capability is 1.5meters for 30 minutes in fresh water only.
I wonder what they really mean, and what will happen if I submerge my phone in other medium, salt water - sea for example.
I mean hey, all these waterproof is just about the water pressure exerting on the phone right?
What if I take the phone and go into the sea for <1meter and <5mins?
Has anyone try that?
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Its the microscopic salt crystals which could form if not rinsed properly with fresh water which could then corrode the rubber seals.
Not sure if I am going to try it but if you do I would recommend thoroughly rinsing with fresh water after it has been submerged in salt sea water.

heikis said:
seawater may damage the rubber seals. it might leave residue of salt
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just back from 3 days snorkeling trip. had been submerging it in sea water all the time while snorkeling. Nothing big damaged, but got a rusted part measuring about 2x2 mm around the speaker area and some salt residue stuck at the edge of the lower speaker

celeritykid said:
just back from 3 days snorkeling trip. had been submerging it in sea water all the time while snorkeling. Nothing big damaged, but got a rusted part measuring about 2x2 mm around the speaker area and some salt residue stuck at the edge of the lower speaker
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Since water does get in the back, outside of the battery rubber seal, I am thinking there are plenty of parts there that might be damaged by salt residue. If I put it in salt water, I would make sure to wash it very well after, and also open the back and try to clean somehow the areas outside of the battery rubber seal.

tudork said:
Since water does get in the back, outside of the battery rubber seal, I am thinking there are plenty of parts there that might be damaged by salt residue. If I put it in salt water, I would make sure to wash it very well after, and also open the back and try to clean somehow the areas outside of the battery rubber seal.
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gammalerik said:
Meh. This is just too lousy. The IP-certification covers 50% of the total area, allowing water to accumulate behind the back cover. Just like the S4. This is just an accident waiting to happen. -Purchase aborted.
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For real? Where is the logic in this..first see whats the difference between the 58 and 57 IP Certification.and second if it covers only 50% of the device it will be damaged on the first drop in water...Just watch abit news go on youtube and see what the xperia V that have only 57 cert.did 4 days under whater and they found it at tha bottom of the sea and it was working perfectly.. I don't think that Sony are creating phones which are ''waiting for an accident to happen''ones ^^

effective said:
For real? Where is the logic in this..first see whats the difference between the 58 and 57 IP Certification.and second if it covers only 50% of the device it will be damaged on the first drop in water...Just watch abit news go on youtube and see what the xperia V that have only 57 cert.did 4 days under whater and they found it at tha bottom of the sea and it was working perfectly.. I don't think that Sony are creating phones which are ''waiting for an accident to happen''ones ^^
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what he meant is that the water will go behind the back cover as far as the rubber seals. and when removing the back cover then the remaining water behind the cover may get in direct contact with the exposed battery and other inner eletronics. it is advised to be extremely careful when removing the back cover of a phone that has recently been exposed to water.

heikis said:
what he meant is that the water will go behind the back cover as far as the rubber seals. and when removing the back cover then the remaining water behind the cover may get in direct contact with the exposed battery and other inner eletronics. it is advised to be extremely careful when removing the back cover of a phone that has recently been exposed to water.
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Uh,got the point now its true.

Thanks guys for the info.
The battery is indeed vulnerable if you are to open the cover after submerging the phone into water recently.
I will RECONSIDER if I'm on a vacation to seaside.

I have tried mine in Italy for a minute - no more. Then rinsed it later on.
Tiny sandcrystals and remains of salt water - as others already replied correctly - may not be friends.
And also, after a "water session" when everything dried, remove the back and with a cloth dry any tiny spots that INDEED get behind the back.
With time and use the back may seal even worse.
I think however, that the whole phone is sort of sealed (or at least better sealed in general) against water getting behind the back.

Slight Waterproofing Fail?

Hi,
Is anybody else experiencing a waterproofing fail in your Z1? I took it for a swim a few days ago and I just noticed that there's steam inside the camera lens. The vibration motor is also a bit odd. The steam in the camera lens sometimes goes away but then comes back. I tried going for the warranty but they said that it'll take at least 2-4 weeks to get it fixed.
Edit: it also launched the camera app from sleep. Maybe water got into the camera button for the first few hours but everything's fine now. Even the camera. Should i be concerned?

Take a dryer to it or put it in a bag of rice for a day with the flaps open.
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ryan25012003 said:
Hi,
Is anybody else experiencing a waterproofing fail in your Z1? I took it for a swim a few days ago and I just noticed that there's steam inside the camera lens. The vibration motor is also a bit odd. The steam in the camera lens sometimes goes away but then comes back. I tried going for the warranty but they said that it'll take at least 2-4 weeks to get it fixed.
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thats how long it normally takes..
I have had the same issue with my phone, at first it was fully waterproof but then I sent it back because the ring around the power button fell off, after 15 days I got it back and they fixed all the problems I had BUT then I put it under water for 2 minuter, took it out and couple minutes later the phone started turning itself off and on the whole time. I opened the flaps and everything seemed to be alright, but then I took out the sim card and there was water on it!
The phone was still turning itself on and off so I used the red hard reset button and it shut off the phone for good.. I couldn't get it back to life..
I freaked out and put it on a bag of rice, 2 hours later the phone is still dead.
So then I grabbed a hairdryer, opened all the flaps and started blowing some hot air so it gets dry and it worked!
The next 2 days my camera got foggy like yours whenever I put it in my pocked, but after 2 days it disappeared and it has been working flawlessly ever since then, I dont wanna be without the phone for another 2-3 weeks so I'm not sending it back right now, the main thing is that I can still use it on the rain and while taking a shower, im just not submerging it anymore.
But yeah if you really want it to be fixed send it back, but if you can live without submerging it then I think you are gonna be just fine.

Well its not meant for swimming! That's what it says in your instructions aswell! Don't go swimming with it! It's water resistant, not waterproof!
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slim207rc said:
Well its not meant for swimming! That's what it says in your instructions aswell! Don't go swimming with it! It's water resistant, not waterproof!
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They clearly have official sony ads with people swimming and taking out pictures using the phone in a river/waterfall area. It is meant to stay under water for a half hour. so technically yes it is meant for swimming

Same here it went after a 4 days and on the left part of the screen it doesn't detect my finger i cannot take the icon on the left page and camera button not working headphone is not functioning properly only one side of the headphone workes. Very disappointed.
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slim207rc said:
Well its not meant for swimming! That's what it says in your instructions aswell! Don't go swimming with it! It's water resistant, not waterproof!
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Found this from SONY's website:
Go Underwater
A sudden downpour, hard desert winds or falling into the kitchen sink – the waterproof and dust-resistant1 Xperia Z1 will handle it all. With its IP55/IP58 rating, you can even take photos and videos almost 5 feet (1.5 meters) underwater to capture free-floating hairstyles or spectacular belly flops from a low angle1.
*Need to remember it is good for up to only 30 minutes!

dragion said:
Found this from SONY's website:
Go Underwater
A sudden downpour, hard desert winds or falling into the kitchen sink – the waterproof and dust-resistant1 Xperia Z1 will handle it all. With its IP55/IP58 rating, you can even take photos and videos almost 5 feet (1.5 meters) underwater to capture free-floating hairstyles or spectacular belly flops from a low angle1.
*Need to remember it is good for up to only 30 minutes!
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Yes, 30 minutes!
And in your manual it says clearly, only clear water, no sea water, no chlorine, no other liquids! Only plain clear water for up to 30 mins.
Find me a pool or sea with only clear water!?
Don't have a go at me about it, it's just as it's written in the manual and the warranty certificate!
Regards
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slim207rc said:
Yes, 30 minutes!
And in your manual it says clearly, only clear water, no sea water, no chlorine, no other liquids! Only plain clear water for up to 30 mins.
Find me a pool or sea with only clear water!?
Don't have a go at me about it, it's just as it's written in the manual and the warranty certificate!
Regards
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OUCH!
It seems strange that SONY advertises the ability of taking pictures under water...probably in a "fresh water lake or pond"?
I was just "confirming" what was indicated from SONY's website...I wasn't taking a direct attack @ you.
Now we can go back and help answer the OP's original issue....

slim207rc said:
Well its not meant for swimming! That's what it says in your instructions aswell! Don't go swimming with it! It's water resistant, not waterproof!
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Actually it's waterproof.. Sony on their site says it's waterproof.. IP58 means it's waterproof.. Even in the instructions manual.. They say you can use it in swimming pool because it's waterproof.. Of course you have to close all the ports
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I took mine to the aquapark for 2 hours on my holidays. It got foggy because of the temperature. Everything was fine 1-2 days later.
No need to freak out.
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Yeah, it's just condensation. Warmer temp inside the phone+cooler water temp=fogginess in the camera lens. Nothing to worry about, it'll go away soon enough.

Then maybe i should sue them for false advertising?

Did you try going for the warranty? That seems like a major issue...

Better go for repair. My friends xperia z motherboard died this way. The water inside the device will never go out until someone opens it and clean it. He had the same problem(He buyed it 500€ and sold 70€), ridiciolous.
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I was down in Mexico for a week and never had any issues like that, I constantly brought my phone in the water with me so I could take pictures of my son
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My suggestion though is the opening and closing the flaps causes wear and tear thus I bought the Sony dock so I wouldn't be opening them that often
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dakunclear said:
I was down in Mexico for a week and never had any issues like that, I constantly brought my phone in the water with me so I could take pictures of my son
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That photo was in a swimming pool? Water with chlorine?
I have a Sony Xperia Z1 Compact and I'm trying to be sure if I can take pictures and record videos underwater in a swimming pool.

tiagogrilo said:
That photo was in a swimming pool? Water with chlorine?
I have a Sony Xperia Z1 Compact and I'm trying to be sure if I can take pictures and record videos underwater in a swimming pool.
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It doesn't matter, the major danger for the phone can be the Salt water (Ocean), if you go on the beach and make same pictures under water, then after that you should wash the phone under sink.
A condensation on Lens for a waterproof device mean Faulty to me, as the condensation come from water that mean there is a water inside, also that condensation do not do good at all to the health of your phone a long way.
You can make picture every where you want, just be careful.

Check this video of mine Z1.
I throw in water and he survived the impact
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pRUSJIvhdI

[Q] Water droplets/fog inside camera lens?

Anyone else seen this? I decided to put my phone to the ultimate test yesterday by putting it in some water - it seemed to do fine. But today I noticed there are water droplets all over the camera lens and hole for the flash. Doing some reading around, it appears that this can happen anyway in humid conditions (and can be dried out with a hairdryer and other methods) but I'm concerned that I have a flawed unit.
I intend to put this to the test again tonight to double check, but anyone else experienced this so far?

Each night you should crack open the seals and close the phone up in a zip-lock bag with a bunch of uncooked rice. Don't let rice get inside the phone.
That should lower the humidity in the device. Then stop deliberately putting your phone in water if you want it to remain dry.

cpurick said:
Then stop deliberately putting your phone in water if you want it to remain dry.
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Sony promotes dunking the phone in water in a lot of their promo materials. You can't blame the OP.

untogether said:
Anyone else seen this? I decided to put my phone to the ultimate test yesterday by putting it in some water - it seemed to do fine. But today I noticed there are water droplets all over the camera lens and hole for the flash. Doing some reading around, it appears that this can happen anyway in humid conditions (and can be dried out with a hairdryer and other methods) but I'm concerned that I have a flawed unit.
I intend to put this to the test again tonight to double check, but anyone else experienced this so far?
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Faulty phone, or you applied water pressure higher than its rating.
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That cpurick advice can be really useful. But this can be ultimately avoided by having the unit away from non-room temperature water.
Make sure you are not pushing it over the rating pressure.

I had waterproof cameras in the past - Sony, Panasonic, Olympus, etc... All of them shows mist at varying degree inside the lens when used for a long time under water. It dries up and I didn't notice any effect on the photos or does it leave permanent residue in the lens.

I had/have the Xperia Z and it had the same 'issue'. Sony said that it was normal, so I guess it's something normal.
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Thanks for the advice, all. The news isn't great - I turned the phone off while I put it in a bag of rice last night, it seemed to lower the amount of water in the lens but not remove it completely. Today it's behaving very erratically - the power button doesn't work, for one. I attached through adb and shut it down but the damn thing just starts up again immediately. So my current best plan is to put it back in some rice and wait for the battery to die out.
So, I'll see what happens after that, but I might have to get it replaced. And Sony might not let me because of water damage. Before anyone asks: yes, I checked 100x that the seals were closed tightly before putting the phone in the water!

untogether said:
Thanks for the advice, all. The news isn't great - I turned the phone off while I put it in a bag of rice last night, it seemed to lower the amount of water in the lens but not remove it completely. Today it's behaving very erratically - the power button doesn't work, for one. I attached through adb and shut it down but the damn thing just starts up again immediately. So my current best plan is to put it back in some rice and wait for the battery to die out.
So, I'll see what happens after that, but I might have to get it replaced. And Sony might not let me because of water damage. Before anyone asks: yes, I checked 100x that the seals were closed tightly before putting the phone in the water!
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It's definitely faulty, return it ASAP.
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Underwater in salt water??

Hi,
The water proof feature is nice. However, I prefer sea water for snorkeling etc. So given corrosiveness of salt it's probably not a good idea.
Still from many reports people seem to have it surviving even salt water submersions when not too long and rinsing it immediately afterwards with fresh water.
But i don't want to dessctroy my nice Z3C obviously, so been looking for intermediate solution, like sealed zip bags or so, that would prevent it from too much wate rcontact, and if it leaks or whatever, it will still not die.
Any idea what could be used , if possible not too big to fit the Z3, and still let take some pics?

The phone is not rated for salt water, so I wouldn't want to try it. Salt water splashes from waves are probably fine.
I also wonder if Sony has a way of telling if salt water got in the phone should you have to send it in for warranty service. Plus, it's also gonna be much easier to inadvertently exceed the depth rating in the ocean. Definitely best to get a dry bag of some kind IMO.
Something like this: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1035195-REG/loksak_lok_alok3_4x7_3_aloksak_bags_4_5x7.html
Or this: http://www.amazon.com/FRIEQ®-Universal-Waterproof-Carrying-iPhone/dp/B00AW2QT8I/ref=pd_cp_sg_0
There are a ton of waterproof phone cases/bags out there. Just be sure to pick one that promises super-clear plastic for photos.

Please use the questions and answer sections for questions you want answered
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Sorry for wrong forum and thanks for moving it.
I finally ordered one of these: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AW2QT8I/ref=pe_385040_121528360_TE_dp_1
Will see how it works with the Z3C

Excuse me... Why should the Z3C not be waterproof in saltwater???
I really cannot see the problem? It is not that saltwater is more wet than "normal" water...
The saltwater will leave some salt when it is dry but you could easily remove this by putting the Z3C in water without salt for some minutes...

I don't believe the salt will do much good to the oliphobic coating of the screen or audio connector.

We are talking about 30 minutes of contact with salt...? To play it safe you use it in salt water for 20 minutes and then put it in normal water for 5 minutes and all the salt is gone...?
And by the way are both the power button and the audio connector made of aluminium...? And why would salt ruin the oliphobic coating of the screen...?
I could understand if pool water with chlorine could do something to the screen but since Sony advertise that you can use it in the pool then that shouldn't be a problem...

Salt is more corrosive unlike chlorine

cyphomatic said:
Salt is more corrosive unlike chlorine
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In contact with iron, yes...Plastic, glass and aluminium, no - not for a 30 minute contact...

Foxhunter123 said:
In contact with iron, yes...Plastic, glass and aluminium, no - not for a 30 minute contact...
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Indeed, I believe that the audio connector might be a weak spot. It sure isn't aluminum. I had other waterproof equipment before with an audioconnector that came into contact with seawater, wich turned out very bad. I won't take a chance.

I will try my Z3c within a week or so when I'm in the Canary Islands.
Have used my previous phone, Xperia ZR, in saltwater many times. No problem at all!

Dont do it. The water proof is only for freshwater.

You may want to read this page : http://support.sonymobile.com/global-en/xperiaz3compact/dm/water-and-dust-resistance/
Never immerse your device in salt water or let the micro USB port, headset jack or other uncovered parts come into contact with salt water. If you’re washing dishes by hand, avoid letting your device come into contact with the detergent or any other liquid chemicals.
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If your Sony smartphone or tablet is waterproof to IPX8 standard*, then you can use it in a chlorinated swimming pool. However, avoid keeping the device in the pool for too long and remember to rinse it off thoroughly with fresh water once you get out.
Over time, chlorinated water can corrode the rubber seals, so prolonged use in chlorinated water is not recommended. But if you want to use your device to get underwater close-ups of a spectacular dive or your child’s first swimming lesson, go ahead.
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Apart from the fact that Sony says don't immerse the phone in salt water, common sense suggests the copper contacts of the mag charger and headphone jack will not fair well (salt water will leave a nice oxide layer on both, which will impact the conductivity). A few minutes and very careful cleaning of the jack (not just a quick rinse) will probably be OK, but then we also have no idea how the glass coating, camera lens coating and various waterproofing membranes will fair in salt water. Knowing the corrosive nature of salt water and Sony's warning I certainly wouldn't risk dunking it in the ocean. YMMV

There was one story of a z2 that survived after being submerged for 6 weeks in salt water
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony...g-submerged-in-salt-water-for-6-weeks_id59223

I've used both my previous Z1 Compact and now my Z3 Compact in saltwater, not an issue at all.
Just pour some fresh water on it afterwards.

Blue grotto, long swim from gradola. no problem later

Use a condom, tie a knot waterproof

pakjebakmeel said:
Use a condom, tie a knot waterproof
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For playing safe, you should use one of those waterproof bags for smartphones if you want to take your phone for dives in salt water so necesserily.

You would normally be right
Foxhunter123 said:
Excuse me... Why should the Z3C not be waterproof in saltwater???
I really cannot see the problem? It is not that saltwater is more wet than "normal" water...
The saltwater will leave some salt when it is dry but you could easily remove this by putting the Z3C in water without salt for some minutes...
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However, the frame is aluminium, which doesn't play nice with salt water.

My Nexus 6 lens

After incidentally dropping my Nexus 6 in water, I noticed everything is fine except the camera lens, it has this fog on the lens, when I apply a heat gun, it goes away, but comes back, it very annoying, how do I fix it?
-andrew munsie

Drewman50 said:
After incidentally dropping my Nexus 6 in water, I noticed everything is fine except the camera lens, it has this fog on the lens, when I apply a heat gun, it goes away, but comes back, it very annoying, how do I fix it?
-andrew munsie
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it means that you got water inside your phone. how to fix it? get the water out..

simms22 said:
it means that you got water inside your phone. how to fix it? get the water out..
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I did get the water out, every drip, but it won't go away

Drewman50 said:
I did get the water out, every drip, but it won't go away
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guess whats steam is made from... water. that means that you did not get out all the water.

simms22 said:
guess whats steam is made from... water. that means that you did not get out all the water.
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Thank you I used a heat gun on all the ports and it no longer appears

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Thank you I used a heat gun on all the ports and it no longer appears
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hopefully no damage was done..

Next time just drop into uncooked dry white rice and leave overnight and itll suck the moisture out of the phone. Heat gun is kind of dumb because your evaporating what water is in there and just spreading it... condensation must go somewhere. Its good that it went away tho and lucky the inside of the nexus 6 is nano coated for water incidents.