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My buddy got a Droid DNA the other day. I immediately snatched it up to check it out. What a screen!
Anyway...ran a couple benchmarks and was AMAZED!
Quadrant = 8085
BenchmarkPi = ~280
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Our phone's guts are the same! My Nexus 4 is even overclocked and doesn't come CLOSE...
Just out of curiosity...how is it that my rooted, ROM'd, overclocked Nexus gets its teeth kicked in by a stock Droid DNA?
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My buddy got a Droid DNA the other day. I immediately snatched it up to check it out. What a screen!
Anyway...ran a couple benchmarks and was AMAZED!
Quadrant = 8085
BenchmarkPi = ~280
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Our phone's guts are the same! My Nexus 4 is even overclocked and doesn't come CLOSE...
Just out of curiosity...how is it that my rooted, ROM'd, overclocked Nexus gets its teeth kicked in by a stock Droid DNA?
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Does it really matter? I don't know about your n4 but mine has zero lag and handles every app and game I have thrown at it with ease. Benchmark scores mean nothing compared to actual use and performance. Dont worry about scores and enjoy your 4.2.2 phone.
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That was quick. Yes, I love my phone, yes it runs extremely well, yes benchmarks aren't perfect.
Now that we got that out of the way...
Wrong section, also the Droid DNA screen is incredibly saturated screen..way more then the N4 thats for sure.
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That was quick. Yes, I love my phone, yes it runs extremely well, yes benchmarks aren't perfect.
Now that we got that out of the way...
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I mean no disrespect, I just don't understand all the infatuation with benchmark scores. If a phone has zero lag and handles everything one could ask beautifully then why does it matter if it scores low?
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For god's sake, please stop using stupid Quadrant, makes no sense at all.
rmp5s said:
My buddy got a Droid DNA the other day. I immediately snatched it up to check it out. What a screen!
Anyway...ran a couple benchmarks and was AMAZED!
Quadrant = 8085
BenchmarkPi = ~280
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Our phone's guts are the same! My Nexus 4 is even overclocked and doesn't come CLOSE...
Just out of curiosity...how is it that my rooted, ROM'd, overclocked Nexus gets its teeth kicked in by a stock Droid DNA?
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quadrant runs bad on n4, no one seems to know why (prob 4.2.2 reason, 4.1.x seems ok). dunno about pi test.
try antutu, it's recently updated and not built for over year old chipsets. you will see your n4 runs fine
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My buddy got a Droid DNA the other day. I immediately snatched it up to check it out. What a screen!
Anyway...ran a couple benchmarks and was AMAZED!
Quadrant = 8085
BenchmarkPi = ~280
0.0
Our phone's guts are the same! My Nexus 4 is even overclocked and doesn't come CLOSE...
Just out of curiosity...how is it that my rooted, ROM'd, overclocked Nexus gets its teeth kicked in by a stock Droid DNA?
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quadrant hasnt been updated for years. using quadrant is like using a car from 60's and complaining the heater doesn't heat fast. use antutu and see what you get on both phones.
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I mean no disrespect, I just don't understand all the infatuation with benchmark scores.
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You don't need to understand; OP wasn't directing his post at anyone in particular. Just like MPG, 0-30/60/1/4 mile times, HP, and torque ratings in car reviews help people compare different car models, benchmarks in mobile devices help people make similar comparisons. That's why noted review sites like GSMArena and Anandtech devote 1/3 of their 10+ page reviews to performance benchmarking. I totally agree that if a device's performance meets someone's needs that’s more important than benchmarks. But I also feel performance benchmarks, just like audio, display brightness/contrast, and camera tests serve a legitimate purpose. I've found people that don't like benchmarks are usually device owners on the wrong side of them. Clearly HTC did a better job of optimizing their s/w for S4 Pro than either Google or LG did which, to OP's point, is why the DNA benchmarks so much better. In another thread someone said individual user s/w influences benchmarks. Most of them are low-level tests or use emulators (Sunspider) so what's running (or not) on the device won't influence the result. It is what it is.
Here are some comments from Anandtech talking about the Optimus G's less than steller benchmark performance. It's not due to S4 Pro but it doesn't really matter because the net result is what people experience using the device. Great performance which benchmarks measure takes a combination of s/w and h/w as shown by the DNA comparison OP's made.
Sunspider is lightly threaded and thus doesn't see huge scaling going to four cores. In fact, in this case we're not seeing any real improvement over the dual-core Krait based devices from HTC. It's unclear how much of the Optimus G's performance is due to LG's browser/software stack vs. the underlying hardware.
BrowserMark doesn't look great and the Optimus G's performance is almost certainly due to LG's own browser code. Qualcomm's reference software stack can provide great performance, but it's up to the individual OEM to take advantage of it.
ooooh it has big numbers ...
HTC will always be laggy running sense!!!
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For god's sake, please stop using stupid Quadrant, makes no sense at all.
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mentioning quadrant should be an automatic beating with the ban-stick
Please use the Nexus 4 vs. Any other phone thread that is a sticky
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So guys this is thread about benchmark scores on android 4.3. Here are some of them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95O8C8NGp5k - Antutu, weird score, don't know why
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5E5PdyHdXo - Quadrant, not really good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akNLFOUqAFQ - Geekbench 2
Feel free to post your screenshots or videos !
use this thread for benchmarks http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1967843
there are other "4.3 benchmark" threads started too, but they all eventually posted in the original benchmarks thread. keep it there, instead of having many benchmark threads.
I'm trying to understand how a G2 that uses the same Snapdragon 800 and Adreno 330 could be faster than Nexus5.
Is seems that G2 is faster than N5.
Ridiculusly there are many test where Galaxy S4 beats N5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3uZdVsND1E&feature=youtube_gdata_player
GS4 runs on a Snapdragon 600, how can be faster than N5?
Not sure why you are comparing benchmarks on phones http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/
The only thing I care is real world performance and thermal throttling.
How is it running Real Racing 3 and other super-demanding games?
& this is why benchmarks are pure BS.
Here is a more realistic comparison in speed between the Galaxy S4 & the N5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-F6bJ218Bc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Not sure why you are comparing benchmarks on phones http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/
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very funny, I lost that article.
Android manufacturers are known to optimize for specific benchmarks, Anandtech did an article on this. I will only trust real world performance and analysis by reputable tech sites like AT.
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I'm trying to understand how a G2 that uses the same Snapdragon 800 and Adreno 330 could be faster than Nexus5.
Is seems that G2 is faster than N5.
Ridiculusly there are many test where Galaxy S4 beats N5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3uZdVsND1E&feature=youtube_gdata_player
GS4 runs on a Snapdragon 600, how can be faster than N5?
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Google has always throttled their devices. So when you push it to the extremes in benchmarks for 5 min straight it throttles back the CPU therefore giving a lower score. Like said real world performance is what matters.
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Even a 'cheating' S600 phones shouldnt be near an S800 phone. The N5 does seem to have very aggressive throttling indeed, indeed my HTC One beats my N5 in just about all benchmarks. Something im sure the devs will fix soon enough.
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Even a 'cheating' S600 phones shouldnt be near an S800 phone. The N5 does seem to have very aggressive throttling indeed, indeed my HTC One beats my N5 in just about all benchmarks. Something im sure the devs will fix soon enough.
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It doesn't have any throttling at all.
They just don't play the benchmark game like OEMs do.
The N5 is noticeably faster than an S4 in all tasks yet the S4 scores higher on Antutu for example.
benchmark apps are pure BS.
Which is better - having the fastest smoothest phone available or being slower at everything yet scoring higher on a benchmark app?
People need to get their priorities right.
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It doesn't have any throttling at all.
They just don't play the benchmark game like OEMs do.
The N5 is noticeably faster than an S4 in all tasks yet the S4 scores higher on Antutu for example.
benchmark apps are pure BS.
Which is better - having the fastest smoothest phone available or being slower at everything yet scoring higher on a benchmark app?
People need to get their priorities right.
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ALL phones have thermal throttling, thats not up for debate, what is up for debate is how aggressively they set the limits.
What many here fail to realise is that the 'cheating' that goes on is just thermal management tricks, nothing more than that. Samsung and the others have programs that detect benchmarks launching, and then set the thermal management to very light limits. In the case of the S4 they clock the GPU to the maximum rated limit and dont throttle it down (533MHz), whereas its normally limited to 480 for thermal management reasons. 533 is not an overclock, 480 is an underclock.
An N5 should be faster than an S4 even if the S4 is at 533, so either Google is heavily throttling the N5, or its got some serious optimisation work to do.
Benchmarks mean fcuk all and too be honest if that's all the op cares about them the nexus ain't for him.
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ALL phones have thermal throttling, thats not up for debate, what is up for debate is how aggressively they set the limits.
What many here fail to realise is that the 'cheating' that goes on is just thermal management tricks, nothing more than that. Samsung and the others have programs that detect benchmarks launching, and then set the thermal management to very light limits. In the case of the S4 they clock the GPU to the maximum rated limit and dont throttle it down (533MHz), whereas its normally limited to 480 for thermal management reasons. 533 is not an overclock, 480 is an underclock.
An N5 should be faster than an S4 even if the S4 is at 533, so either Google is heavily throttling the N5, or its got some serious optimisation work to do.
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Again - look at the video link I posted above against the S4.
Which is better - faster phone throughout or a nice pretty score in a free benchmark app?
When will people learn - these apps are absolute junk and in No Way do they reflect the speed of the device or the power of the internals inside.
It seriously sounds like you'd accept a slower less powerful phone as long as it scored higher on the pretty charts in these apps.
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Anandtech pointed out that OEMs like Samsung boost CPU & GPU clocks during benchmarks, that's why you get higher numbers.
For Gods sake, it's the same SoC.
sblantipodi said:
I'm trying to understand how a G2 that uses the same Snapdragon 800 and Adreno 330 could be faster than Nexus5.
Is seems that G2 is faster than N5.
Ridiculusly there are many test where Galaxy S4 beats N5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3uZdVsND1E&feature=youtube_gdata_player
GS4 runs on a Snapdragon 600, how can be faster than N5?
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Nexus 5 is absolutely faster than Galaxy S4 in real life usage, no doubt about it. When it comes to G2 its more even between the two.
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Again - look at the video link I posted above against the S4.
Which is better - faster phone throughout or a nice pretty score in a free benchmark app?
When will people learn - these apps are absolute junk and in No Way do they reflect the speed of the device or the power of the internals inside.
It seriously sounds like you'd accept a slower less powerful phone as long as it scored higher on the pretty charts in these apps.
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Thats not what I said. Read again..
SOME benchmarks are purely about number crunching and the fact is the S800 should wipe the floor with the S600, if its not, something is going on.
While it doesnt matter if the device is smooth in real world usage it still points to the fact that the software needs a lot of optimisation to be done yet.
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Thats not what I said. Read again..
SOME benchmarks are purely about number crunching and the fact is the S800 should wipe the floor with the S600, if its not, something is going on.
While it doesnt matter if the device is smooth in real world usage it still points to the fact that the software needs a lot of optimisation to be done yet.
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Its not just about smoothness.
Go look at some comparisons of the N5 vs Galaxy S4.
N5 is faster at booting, browsing speed, smoothness, speed of loading of apps, gaming frame rates & loading speeds - basically EVERYTHING!
so you either believe the benchmark app or the actual speeds of the devices.
Simply put - you'd prefer a slower phone so long as it scores higher in these apps.
If you want one of these s600 phones like the S4 & ONE - go & get one! - but don't expect anything to be faster than the N5 just because these free benchmarking apps tell you so.
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You should change the title. " Galaxy S4 and G2 are faster than G2 "
Lol.
This is the Nexus 4 performance discussion all over again.
Other Manufacturers use specific Dalvic patches that grearly improve performance in benchmarks.
If you really want to compare performance of the SoC use something like Geekbench that runs native
code and not ontop of the Dalvic Virtual Maschine.
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aletto said:
You should change the title. " Galaxy S4 and G2 are faster than G2 "
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It should be changed to "Galaxy S4 and G2 perform better then the N5 in useless Benchmarks that don't reflect real world performance"
The only thing obvious from the video comparing the N5 to the G2 is the on screen black levels.
Blacks seem blacker on the G2 in menus and in game, the N5's blacks are grayer.
Google doesn't seem to be interested in calibrating their Nexus line screens
Why does my golden retriever outperform my cat in the fishing dead ducks out of the pond test?
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Hey Guys,
Here's my take on the Samsung Galaxy S5... spent close to 72 hours to get this done, hope someone finds it useful...
Thanks for your time and feedbacks welcome
Ash
Was waiting for a review from you man! :good:
Awesome review!
But I have to disagree with what you said about the Exynos not having any major changes. Most of the changes are under the hood as @AndreiLux said and it is still as powerful(if not, more powerful) than the Snapdragon 801 as seen from benchmarks. Only disappointing thing about the Exynos chipset is the lack of LTE.
And also, Samsung removed all the benchmark boosting code in the Kitkat update. So, the benchmark results will not be "fake".
Thanks buddy I'm gonna add it to the review thread!!!
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This is awesome. One of the best review I've seen.
system.img said:
Was waiting for a review from you man! :good:
Awesome review!
But I have to disagree with what you said about the Exynos not having any major changes. Most of the changes are under the hood as @AndreiLux said and it is still as powerful(if not, more powerful) than the Snapdragon 801 as seen from benchmarks. Only disappointing thing about the Exynos chipset is the lack of LTE.
And also, Samsung removed all the benchmark boosting code in the Kitkat update. So, the benchmark results will not be "fake".
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or maybe they have a better way to cover up #conspiracies
barondebxl said:
Thanks buddy I'm gonna add it to the review thread!!!
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Thanks m8 really appreciate it
hemander said:
This is awesome. One of the best review I've seen.
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Thanks buddy
ashwin123 said:
or maybe they have a better way to cover up #conspiracies
Thanks m8 really appreciate it
Thanks buddy
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Of course buddy, been subscribed to your channel for years! And I suggest everyone else to subscribed as well
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I'm not a registered youtube user but I'll give you a thanks here, because the amount of work and dedication some of you are putting into your yt videos is simply amazing.
Overall a great video some things I wanted to add (tried the phone yesterday):
1. TouchWiz blazing fast ? Sadly that wasn't my experience for sure it's far from slow but to me it seemed like the microlags increased quite a bit
2. Exynos ..well personally I'd take 8 over 4 cores sadly not available in Austria
3. Performance: as a non handygamer you just have proven my deepest fears, 2 gig of RAM simply aren't enough for flawless multitasking. The Z 2 should handle that much better although maybe even 3 gigs aren't enough.
4. fully agree on the bloat thing, that's why root as always is a must for me.
5. thanks for the great review
So I was kinda worried when reading benchmark reviews of the note 4. They would show that the iPhone 6's gpu was superior and to prove that they used GFX bench.
Sure after trying it myself I noticed something pretty obvious.
They are comparing the note 4's 2k res against the 720p res of the iPhone 6.
When you look at the note 4's offscreen performance it's better or equal.
I made a screen show to show you all.
Anyone else want to show their results?
Its not misLeading at all onscreen and offscreen tests 2 different things. And onscreen is more important cuz shows real world performance(if games support 2k ofc)
Biggest misleading information was when all reviews done benchmarks werent updated to support new iphone resolutions. All was running on 640p which was 5s res.
They published reviews with 18 fps ofscreen and 30 fps onscreen for 6 plus and didnt even think about what was wrong . Both score should be same cuz both tests done in 1080p for 6 plus. Even reviews said "apple did a great job with 6 plus. While having higher res screen it still beat iphone 6 in onscreen tests." It was totaly wrong and misleading stuff.
Now all benchmarks updated to support new screens and all gpu benchmark scores lowered iphone 6 has like 40% better performance in onscreen than 6 plus. But they just didnt update their reviews and still has wrong information for people. And still comparing new phones with wrong scores from iphones.
I don't know why people are so obsessed with benchmarks. I would never buy a phone because it is faster in some worthless synthetic benchmark
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easycure1974 said:
I don't know why people are so obsessed with benchmarks. I would never buy a phone because it is faster in some worthless synthetic benchmark
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Benchmarking gives a user an idea if their system is running normally. We do it with our pc's all the time. The note 4 has new hardware compared to the note 3. The new gpu adreno 420 has also a new architecture.
My point of the post isn't about the note performing low or anything but simply pointing out the lies about the iPhone being better when they obviously didn't point out that the note 4 is running 2k res vs the 1080p from the iPhone 6+. Even the s5 plus with the same hardware as the note 4 has higher scores because of its lower res.
Either way don't look at benchmarks to say your device is top dog but also don't Base your judgement on a device from inappropriate testing.
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Benchmarking gives a user an idea if their system is running normally. We do it with our pc's all the time. The note 4 has new hardware compared to the note 3. The new gpu adreno 420 has also a new architecture.
My point of the post isn't about the note performing low or anything but simply pointing out the lies about the iPhone being better when they obviously didn't point out that the note 4 is running 2k res vs the 1080p from the iPhone 6+. Even the s5 plus with the same hardware as the note 4 has higher scores because of its lower res.
Either way don't look at benchmarks to say your device is top dog but also don't Base your judgement on a device from inappropriate testing.
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When comparing PCs, they're (almost) always using the same CPU architecture and operating system. It's kind of a difficult comparison on phones, since they're often nothing alike.
I also don't understand why it's so important it's better than the iPhone. It's like if it's worse than the iPhone, it's utter ****. Which is not the case.
3D Benchmarking on phones/tables is pointless when comparing to other devises 9 times out of 10 the screen res is not same and they never take this into factor.
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Mafle93 said:
When comparing PCs, they're (almost) always using the same CPU architecture and operating system. It's kind of a difficult comparison on phones, since they're often nothing alike. .
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You clearly don't benchmark on PC
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jetbruceli said:
Benchmarking gives a user an idea if their system is running normally. We do it with our pc's all the time. .
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Yea but on PC we have option to set a fixed res to compare hardware.
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3D Benchmarking on phones/tables is pointless when comparing to other devises 9 times out of 10 the screen res is not same and they never take this into factor.
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Yea but on PC we have option to set a fixed res to compare hardware.
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Do you often see benchmarks with 2 completely different types of RAM, GPU, CPU, OS and monitor resolution when doing HW comparisons?
Does your Note 4 perform how YOU want it to perform? If so, then who cares about benchmarks? This benchmark obsession has gotten completely out of control. I never run them, I benchmark my phones myself and decide if it's running to MY liking.
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Does your Note 4 perform how YOU want it to perform? If so, then who cares about benchmarks? This benchmark obsession has gotten completely out of control. I never run them, I benchmark my phones myself and decide if it's running to MY liking.
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I completely agree. Benchmarks are a good as an indication of your device's performance. Nothing more. The software "feeling" is just as important for the overall experience, and it can't be measured as easily.
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I completely agree. Benchmarks are a good as an indication of your device's performance. Nothing more. The software "feeling" is just as important for the overall experience, and it can't be measured as easily.
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Yeah exactly. It's almost like letting an app decide if the food you just ate tasted good or not. Just judge it for yourself, screw all these synthetic benchmarks lol.
Benchmarks are only useful to find out performance differences, not which is the best or the better, like when you OC your phone.
From personal experience, benchmarks resulted as fake, because my own device was outperforming the one in their list or table not slightly, but 10 to 20%.
I am talking about Antutu benchmark.
I had the same issue wtih Quadrant.
I didnt bother anymore because I didnt want to stress test my phone any longer.
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Do you often see benchmarks with 2 completely different types of RAM, GPU, CPU, OS and monitor resolution when doing HW comparisons?
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All the time people who generally benchmark build their own system .
You almost never see the same exact specs.
And when gpu benchmarking involved rules are set to run x resolution to get accurate comparison when comparing
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Not all games run native 2k. Hi quality 3d games will most likely upscale a 1080p to 2k on your phone. Don't worry about it. This monster is fast even at 2k.
demo23019 said:
All the time people who generally benchmark build their own system .
You almost never see the same exact specs.
And when gpu benchmarking involved rules are set to run x resolution to get accurate comparison when comparing
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Ok so here is the scenario for the pc, lets say you have the same mobo, gpu, cpu, ram and etc. You benchmark your completely new system and notice its not performing as well. Would using a benchmark then be helpful? YES
Second our devices share common specs with other devices. Galaxy s5 and Xperia z3, Note 4 and Nexus 6. These systems also produce different benchmarks. Of you own a Nexus 5 you will notice it doesnt play everything the same as the note 3. The note 3 was faster and smoother than the nexus 5. i would know I had both. I was so mad when I gave up my note 3. The nexus 5 ran poorly on benchmarks and would throttle instantly. I actually had to put it in the freezer for it come atleast close to the performance of the Note 3.
For me its really saying my note 4 is better than yours or your nexus 6 but it does suggest that I might get performance getting the note 4 over the G3