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Droid Charge or LG Revolution??

well I was just about to order the Droid Charge and then I see the LG Revolution is releasing next week... so can anybody give a good idea of if the LG Revolution will be better than the droid charge? battery life? camera quality? speed, features, etc.?
what UI does the LG Revolution use?

Should know by next week with reviews. Top level:
Charge
Good: Battery life, display, camera, sd card not stuck behind battery
Bad: Sloooow RFS file system, low ram, no internal media storage, old chipset refrshed ONLY for LTE bridge (this is NOT a refresh like the new Snapdragon)
Revolution (knowns)
Good: 12gb media storage, Netflix, newer Snapdragon is faster for cpu operation, but slower than the Hummingbird (in Charge) for 3D.
Bad: Heavily Bing centric, sd card stuck behind battery
That is about it for now on the Rev, until we get real devices out in the wild.
added: For game emulators, the Revolution would be better for CPU power (PSX and N64). Update: Not so sure about this now, since seems both are about the same for CPU.
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...d-power-gsx540-vs-adreno-205-which-is-faster/

From what I've heard, the LG Revolution is essentially the same hardware-wise as the Thunderbolt, so it could very well have poor battery life like the Thunderbolt.

LG is using their own LTE radio and not the Qualcomm chip (Charge) or chips (Thunderbolt) the previous phones are on. So you may see different battery/reception characteristics from the TB's.
Real differences vs Charge: no SAMOLED+ (unfortunate), no RFS (fortunate, though Voodoo will fix that on the Charge), and weaker GPU (unfortunate).

what processor is better.. the Hummingbird or the Snapdragon? how about more power efficient.. thus better battery life for the same performance?

I would say they have about the same efficency

aliensquale said:
what processor is better.. the Hummingbird or the Snapdragon? how about more power efficient.. thus better battery life for the same performance?
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Snapdragon wins some benches, but Hummingbird's better GPU gives it the edge in every situation you'll actually notice a difference -- that is, gaming.
Both are on a 45nm process so there won't be much efficiency difference.

The hummingbird processor is better in my opinion
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I have used just about everything and Hummingbird has alway given me great performance with even better battery life. Each time I try a Snapdragon device I never even use it for a full month. All 3 happen to be Htc devices so that may be why the battery life has been poor. The Revolution might be a good device but without google apps I will not be willing to give this one a try. If it happens to be priced at $200 it might sell will but at $250 I don't see a reason to get it over the Thunderbolt.

and no word on when the Bionic or any other 4g phones for Verizon are coming out? no dual core's yet huh?

s44 said:
LG is using their own LTE radio and not the Qualcomm chip (Charge) or chips (Thunderbolt) the previous phones are on. So you may see different battery/reception characteristics from the TB's.
Real differences vs Charge: no SAMOLED+ (unfortunate), no RFS (fortunate, though Voodoo will fix that on the Charge), and weaker GPU (unfortunate).
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The charge uses Samsungs own LTE chip not Qualcomm the Samsung CMC220 is used in the charge
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chaoscentral said:
The charge uses Samsungs own LTE chip not Qualcomm the Samsung CMC220 is used in the charge
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Huh, I think you're right. Looks like Anandtech was wrong on this. The difference may be a big chunk of the improved battery life: I wonder if the Revolution (which is yet a third radio) will be better, worse, or in between.
Interesting also that the CDMA radio is different from the Fascinate's.

Avoid the Revolution. It doesn't have the most up to date android market on it (has one that was outdated months ago). It is missing some apps that other Androids have on their market. It takes forever to charge. Some apps have problems running on it. The default keyboard is garbage. I am saying this from experience since I currently have it, but returning it within the 2 week return period. The only good thing it has going for it is that it has the Netflix app preinstalled on it, but that doesn't save this android.

Is it me or all Verizon LTE phones mediocre? The Samsung Droid Charge is castrated compared to the equivalent AT&T Samsung Infuse with larger 4.5" screen and faster 1.2GHz CPU. The other two, HTC Thunderbolt and LG Revolution, hardware-wise are identically mediocre. Hoping for an Infuse equivalent or Galaxy S II to come to Verizon.

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Avoid the Revolution. It doesn't have the most up to date android market on it (has one that was outdated months ago). It is missing some apps that other Androids have on their market. It takes forever to charge. Some apps have problems running on it. The default keyboard is garbage. I am saying this from experience since I currently have it, but returning it within the 2 week return period. The only good thing it has going for it is that it has the Netflix app preinstalled on it, but that doesn't save this android.
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One advantage the Revolution has over the Charge is that it has an UNLOCKED bootloader. Now if xda actually decides to make a thread for this phone, I guarantee it will be at least 3x better than the Charge for 2 reasons:
1) More Custom ROM's than the Charge's 2) actual development that doesn't take forever... Revolution was rooted in 1 day (if only there was a recovery too )
This phone could be a serious contender if people actually took the phone with Bing (yikes but it is all good its been rooted) seriously

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One advantage the Revolution has over the Charge is that it has an UNLOCKED bootloader.
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That's not an advantage. It's parity.

The charge doesn't have a bootloader lol so how can an unlocked one be better then no bootloader
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One advantage the Revolution has over the Charge is that it has an UNLOCKED bootloader. Now if xda actually decides to make a thread for this phone, I guarantee it will be at least 3x better than the Charge for 2 reasons:
1) More Custom ROM's than the Charge's 2) actual development that doesn't take forever... Revolution was rooted in 1 day (if only there was a recovery too )
This phone could be a serious contender if people actually took the phone with Bing (yikes but it is all good its been rooted) seriously
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Last I checked, the bootloader on the Charge was unlocked. How else would we be able to flash custom kernels and have them work? Also, what good are custom ROMs when you'd have to use ADB to install them rather than being able to use recovery to flash them?
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The charge doesn't have a bootloader lol so how can an unlocked one be better then no bootloader
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All phones have bootloaders, as does any computer AFAIK. If it didn't, the power button wouldn't do anything

imnuts said:
All phones have bootloaders, as does any computer AFAIK. If it didn't, the power button wouldn't do anything
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This. Sometimes you don't see the bootloader, but if you have any kind of OS or anything at all, then you have a bootloader. And the Charge's is completely unlocked and never was locked.

smokedkill said:
Avoid the Revolution. It doesn't have the most up to date android market on it (has one that was outdated months ago). It is missing some apps that other Androids have on their market. It takes forever to charge. Some apps have problems running on it. The default keyboard is garbage. I am saying this from experience since I currently have it, but returning it within the 2 week return period. The only good thing it has going for it is that it has the Netflix app preinstalled on it, but that doesn't save this android.
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Charge time from 20% to full was under 2hrs for me. Market is up to date. Mine has all the apps, and what is not installed can be downloaded in seconds. Default keyboard was nice, but I use swype, which comes preloaded on the phone. I have not had any app have issues running.
I currently have the phone and love it. Rooted and waiting for a recovery mod...

Atrix HD Revealed

http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/04/motorola-atrix-hd/?m=false
Havent seen a post either here or the atrix 2 forum about it, so cheers!

No fingerprint reader?

Looks like shiit and has shiit specs to begin with. It has lower battery capacity than the original atrix which is unacceptable.

Only .5 Ghz (no extra core) more then original stuff plus little more pixels and no finger print reader. i only have two words for Motorola "Middle Finger" cos they probibally wont even unlock the boot loader hack they are trying to block the boot loader on existing phones.

Meh.. same old tricks again.

xateeq said:
Only .5 Ghz (no extra core) more then original stuff plus little more pixels and no finger print reader. i only have two words for Motorola "Middle Finger" cos they probibally wont even unlock the boot loader hack they are trying to block the boot loader on existing phones.
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.5 Dang, 1.5? Way better than many phones
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Doesn't look like the battery can be removed. Minor CPU bump, same amount of ram... only noticeable improvement here is the screen.

Tegra?

I thought that was a hardware key down there, too bad it was just a carrier wart.
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I'm sorry. It just doesn't scream "upgrade".
Atrix is a line of webtop supporting devices, processor/ram specs should be top priority and it already seems outdated with S3 having quad core and 2gb ram.
I can live with 2 powerful cores, but the phone is just screaming for a ram upgrade.

As a big fan of the original Atrix, I can't be any more disappointed with the 2 sequels.
AtrixHd fails for me for no fingerprint unlock button, only 1GB of RAM, low battery that appears non-removable (if you want to "look" like the RAZR Maxx then use their freakin battery), locked bootloader, and it only has HALF the internal storage as our phone.
Atrix HD has nothing that I want. Even the "updated screen" is just gonna kill the battery.
It's a shame that the OG Atrix>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Atrix HD>Atrix2...
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I'm struggling to decide whether this new Atrix HD is simply unimpressive or really unimpressive.
The dual-core thing isn't necessarily too much of a problem - hopefully it is Qualcomm Krait-based in which case, performance would be on a par with a quad-core A9. The smaller battery (in comparison to the original Atrix) doesn't exactly sound like a great idea, especially as the phone has a large HD display and is packing LTE...
I thought I had read somewhere recently that Motorola wasn't going to abandon fingerprint-scanners in high-end phones? Doesn't appear to be the case at present.

pre installed with ICS? I guess it will take more than 1 year to upgrade to Jelly Bean. Lol..

http://www.motorola.com/us/consumers/MOTOROLA-ATRIX%E2%84%A2-HD/MB886-ATRIX-HD,en_US,pd.html
This is in my opinion another downgrade from the Atrix 4G, just like the Atrix 2!
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Maringer said:
I thought I had read somewhere recently that Motorola wasn't going to abandon fingerprint-scanners in high-end phones? Doesn't appear to be the case at present.
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Apparently according to Briefmobile, Motorola uses model numbers in the 900's for "high end" phones. This puts all the Atrix models in the "medium" bracket.
http://briefmobile.com/atrix-hd-shows-up-on-motorolas-website-with-a-4-5-inch-hd-display?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+briefmobile+%28BriefMobile%29&utm_content=FaceBook

Its a good looking phone with pretty good specs, it will do good.
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I don't see any logical reason to upgrade to this piece of **** from my original atrix.
I almost forgot to add that the at&t logo looks like sheep poo.

So its compatible with the lapdock 100, so i would be interested to know if its compatible with the 500 with the ethernet, video out and sd card reader. That would at least give it something over the original atrix.
The atrix line is basically there for people who uses at&t and want webtop.

Yes, if you don't live in the US. You better avoid Motorola. Lol..

Internal 8gb?
So my Atrix 4G has 16gb internal & this has 8Gb not much of an upgrade really, might be better camera, but now looks like I will be leaving Motorola??

Surethom said:
So my Atrix 4G has 16gb internal & this has 8Gb not much of an upgrade really, might be better camera, but now looks like I will be leaving Motorola??
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It is weird how they are moving backwards with the Atrix line. I'd love to have the 1.5ghz dual core and I'm a sucker for big screens. Why can't they make a phone with our Atrix specs...just updated hardware (faster CPU, more ram, screen..)
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Any of you guys getting the Moto X?

^^title
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I am. I have high hopes for it. Whether or not it gets good support like the AHD is TBD. Hopefully it at least gets ROOT
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I'd consider getting it second hand in 6 months + if it had SD support. For me, spec wise, AHD is all I really need in a phone. Next phone I get will be something like an AHD with a keyboard.
/Conspiracy Theory
I've noticed that as smart phones became better and better, the amount of phones with keyboards decreased. Me thinks they don't make many now-a-days because most people wouldn't have a need for a netbook or a laptop if a phone as powerful and big as the AHD had a keyboard.

skeevydude said:
I'd consider getting it second hand in 6 months + if it had SD support. For me, spec wise, AHD is all I really need in a phone. Next phone I get will be something like an AHD with a keyboard.
/Conspiracy Theory
I've noticed that as smart phones became better and better, the amount of phones with keyboards decreased. Me thinks they don't make many now-a-days because most people wouldn't have a need for a netbook or a laptop if a phone as powerful and big as the AHD had a keyboard.
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I completely agree about the SD slot.
Also, the Photon Q is kinda like an AHD with a keyboard.
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skeevydude said:
I'd consider getting it second hand in 6 months + if it had SD support. For me, spec wise, AHD is all I really need in a phone.
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What are your thoughts about support and development for the moto x? I wonder if root will be easily obtained...
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Definitely will not purchase Motorola X. While Motorola phones Have very good build quality. I believe the hardware to be subpar compared to samsung and htc. The motoblur Interface on Atrix HD is a big improvement over that of Atrix 4g. which is a big step in the right direction . However Motorola has with both phones shown that it does not support updates as well as its competitors. for example atrix 4g support ended at android 2.3.6 and atrix Hd support ended at android 4.1.1. Add to this that Motorola Locks Bootloaders Making customization difficult . NO THANKS!

matt99017d said:
What are your thoughts about support and development for the moto x? I wonder if root will be easily obtained...
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Depends on the bootloader status. If unlockable, then it will pick up really fast...if not, probably similar to us or the Defy -- depends on how easy it will be to root. Even locked, if its rooted there's a good chance it'll run ports of our roms.
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Definitely will not purchase Motorola X. While Motorola phones Have very good build quality. I believe the hardware to be subpar compared to samsung and htc. The motoblur Interface on Atrix HD is a big improvement over that of Atrix 4g. which is a big step in the right direction . However Motorola has with both phones shown that it does not support updates as well as its competitors. for example atrix 4g support ended at android 2.3.6 and atrix Hd support ended at android 4.1.1. Add to this that Motorola Locks Bootloaders Making customization difficult . NO THANKS!
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Agreed. Though hardware is a moot point since most apps hardly support dual core, let alone quad and otca core phones. With Moto I don't even consider OEM support as a factor since I expect it to be next to nothing from the start. Moto releases OS updates as new devices.... My next phone will probably be HTC or Sony -- both have good OEM features, OEM support, and community support. I'm leaning towards Sony, only because I've never once bought a bad Sony product or had a Sony product break or go bad that wasn't directly related to me abusing the hell out of it.....usually because I drop them.

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Agreed. Though hardware is a moot point since most apps hardly support dual core, let alone quad and otca core phones. With Moto I don't even consider OEM support as a factor since I expect it to be next to nothing from the start. Moto releases OS updates as new devices.... My next phone will probably be HTC or Sony -- both have good OEM features, OEM support, and community support. I'm leaning towards Sony, only because I've never once bought a bad Sony product or had a Sony product break or go bad that wasn't directly related to me abusing the hell out of it.....usually because I drop them.
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Which Sony phone are you looking at getting?
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nokia lumia1020 and MOTO Droid Ultra mini，but the moto Droid Ultra is too expensive while the hardware is not the best。
I have to say the moto X is ugly。。。
I do not like the design，especially the earpieces and the microphone。

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I dunno. Whatever Sony has next year that I can afford when I decide to upgrade the AHD.

I'm really interested in the Moto X. I like the look of some of the feature, notifications and active mic. My next upgrade is in Feb, so I'll make a decision at that time. However, I have heard rumor of a Moto Nexus coming (that was the leak rumor last week), if that is true, I may go for that off contract. I know everybody has different opinions on hardware and specs, but the Atrix HD is my 7th Moto phone (2nd android based), and outside of one poor flip phone, they have all been top notch.

I agree with skeevy theory...
as time pass,and android being better each by each year
The company's have been excluding sliding keyboards
I remember when the Samsung epic 4g came out I was thrilled to see a good phone for fast texting and typing emails
As I prefer a phone like the AHD with a sliding keyboard regardless of thickness of the phone
Not much of a big deal
Just like old non-android LG xenon
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Probably a Sony phone as long as they keep micro SD. That feature being implemented or not is very telling about a companies true understanding of it's users. I prefer companies that allow storage expansion.
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I would buy a moto X...I think what google is trying to prove is that one dont need high end spec'ed phone to get good phone experience. Moto X will be a good buy in 6 months...

ai6908 said:
I would buy a moto X...I think what google is trying to prove is that one dont need high end spec'ed phone to get good phone experience. Moto X will be a good buy in 6 months...
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I've been up for a upgrade for a few months now. I'm going to take it and hope for some good development.
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I've been up for a upgrade for a few months now. I'm going to take it and hope for some good development.
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Provided you can unlock the X's boot loader, then it'll probably be on par with us in no time at all. If locked, it might run ports of our roms if it is rooted and a rom flash method like SafeStrap is made.
If I were considering getting one, I'd wait a week to a month to see what's up with it, its quirks, and how much the community will support it.
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Agreed. Though I think X is a mass beta program designed to test out new features for the Nexus line -- the low power cpu cores for always on microphone, the active display. Still, no SD = no Buy. As is, I haven't been able to use any cell radio internet for 3 weeks because I'm 50MB away from overage charges. Until phones either come with 64GB+ or the Phone Companies up the allotted bandwidth to at least 10GB a month, then external storage will still be necessary. The "Cloud" is useless with current Data Plans and 16-32GB isn't that much storage, especially once you start to consider Nandroids, Titanium Backups, music, a movie or three for a long trip, other roms, pictures, and the list goes on and on.

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the Atrix HD is my 7th Moto phone (2nd android based), and outside of one poor flip phone, they have all been top notch.
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my 6th moto (cliq, q9h, v80, slvr, c139 prior) and I too agree with build quality, up there with Nokia for me.
I've also owned about 4 blackberry devices before going android and the build quality and reliability was anywhere from terrible to average.
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Still, no SD = no Buy.
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Vote with your dollar! My feelings exactly. I give Samsung their props for continuing support for SDs and giving consumers what they want (incl. removable battery) Seems like everyone these days is going the other route.
Locked storage capacity + free cloud storage, it's all "politics" from my POV really and I'm not going to support it.
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Agreed. Though I think X is a mass beta program designed to test out new features for the Nexus line -- the low power cpu cores for always on microphone, the active display. Still, no SD = no Buy. As is, I haven't been able to use any cell radio internet for 3 weeks because I'm 50MB away from overage charges. Until phones either come with 64GB+ or the Phone Companies up the allotted bandwidth to at least 10GB a month, then external storage will still be necessary. The "Cloud" is useless with current Data Plans and 16-32GB isn't that much storage, especially once you start to consider Nandroids, Titanium Backups, music, a movie or three for a long trip, other roms, pictures, and the list goes on and on.
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I agree that no SD is a big drawback...but cloud is one of the reason why google phones do not have SD. Only nexus 1 was the only nexus phone with a SD card i think! Well,,,thats the way google goes....i dont know if we have any say to it...unless samsung comes up with its own OS...

I was hopeful for the motorola x but after looking the specs and the fact that doesn't have a external SD I am thinking the Sony honami is my next phone.

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I was hopeful for the motorola x but after looking the specs and the fact that doesn't have a external SD I am thinking the Sony honami is my next phone.
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I try to not get too caught up in the spec war. Look at crapple.....as much as it pains me to say this, they have low specs but they do an excellent job with optimization. So well that they can keep up with some of the new flagship phones.
I think the motoX will deliver a great user experience. And that's what it's all about. I'm not too fond of the no SD card.
I'll still be getting the 32gb model.
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[Q] razr i or moto g?

guys i don't know what to do i've just seen the live presentation of moto g... and damn, 199usd for a quadcore s400 with 16gb...
should i have to wait for the (maybe) coming update, or is it better to sell the razr i for 250$ and get this new phone?
i know the lack of camera and body materials, or memory expandibility (actually have a 8gb microsd, so that's not a problem for me...)
so, please, tell me all of your opinion... with pros and cons in your opinion. thanks in advance!

yostyle said:
guys i don't know what to do i've just seen the live presentation of moto g... and damn, 199usd for a quadcore s400 with 16gb...
should i have to wait for the (maybe) coming update, or is it better to sell the razr i for 250$ and get this new phone?
i know the lack of camera and body materials, or memory expandibility (actually have a 8gb microsd, so that's not a problem for me...)
so, please, tell me all of your opinion... with pros and cons in your opinion. thanks in advance!
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g is bigger so razr i is my choice.

I still prefer my Razr I, G doesn't have NFC and I love my Intel CPU
Also the I is more edge2edge than the G and I like the material of the I

Razr i won't get kitkat, in my honest opinion. If that's the only thing keeping you from selling, I would go ahead and sell
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well... i also love the premium materials... and the compact size, but, i really would like to have 4.4 for the optimizations it brings... and the lack of custom roms cause of x86 arch... i'm praying for seeing that "it'll get 4.4 soon" on the official motorola page

AFAIK the camera is better on Razr over that of the G and whilst an update to the phone would be nice I'm ok with the features it has for what I bought it for. Overall the razr i is still a great phone for me and I would buy it over the G version.

You should take a closer look to their specs. Bear in mind that I don't know how much Razr i costs in your country new or used...
Razr i / Moto G
CPU - Intel Atom Z2480 x86 2Ghz x1 (HyperThreading) / Qualcomm Snapdragon 400 1,2Ghz x4
GPU - Power VR SGX540 @ 400Mhz 6.2GFLOPS / Adreno 305 19.2GFLOPS
RAM - 1GB LPDDR2 @ 800Mhz / 1GB LPDDR2 @ 533Mhz (supposed)
ROM - 8GB / 8GB or 16GB
Battery - 2000mAh / 2070mAh
System - Android on x86 4.0.4 update to 4.1.2 / Android on ARM 4.3
Screen - 4.3" SuperAMOLED 540x960 256ppi GG2 / 4.5" LCD GorillaGlass3 720x1280 329ppi
Camera - 8mpx autofocus LED flash 1080p 30fps video / 5mpx autofocus LED flash 720p 30fps video
SecCam - 0.3mpx 640x480 30fps video / 1.3mpx unknown video recording resolution
Connect - NFC, Bluetooth 4.0, WiFi N, HSPA+, GPS / Bluetooth 4.0, WiFi N, GPS, HSPA+
SIze - H>122.43mm W>60.71mm D>8.38mm - 126 g / H>129.9mm W>65.9mm D>11.6 mm - 143 g
As you may see here, the Razr i is quite smaller and also features a better display, with a lower resolution. Whether this resolution changes anything or not is down to the use you will give to your phone. The Razr i should have a marginally better battery life due to the type of screen, lower resolution and same battery capacity. Also the Razr has better connectivity overall, supporting NFC and has a marginally better camera, that will appeal to some people. The last advantage for the Razr is the memory bandwith, being an x86 device with an Atom processor, I have seen that the ram speed is about 25% faster than the GS3 which had quite a good RAM. However, the Moto G wins hands down on the CPU and GPU departure. In contrast, it has to power up quite a few more pixels and this narrows down the advantage. You may then choose your phone based on this, and on your likings/kind of usage obviously.

1. Is micro SD support a must?
2. Do you care for Kitkat? Or lots of custom rom options? (pretty sure the G will get plenty of them)
3. Is nfc a big deal for you?
4. Do you care about screen resolution?
I'm deciding between these two phones now as well, and this was the best I could come up with for deciding. If you can answer them you'll know which one you want. Good luck!
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clickstop said:
1. Is micro SD support a must?
2. Do you care for Kitkat? Or lots of custom rom options? (pretty sure the G will get plenty of them)
3. Is nfc a big deal for you?
4. Do you care about screen resolution?
I'm deciding between these two phones now as well, and this was the best I could come up with for deciding. If you can answer them you'll know which one you want. Good luck!
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I would add these:
5. Do you need more gaming performance? (buy the G)
6. Do you want a thinner device? (buy the Razr i)
7. Do you want a phone mid-high end design or a low-mid end(moto G)?
I should still advice you that if you are not are frequent user of demanding games, reading, or cpu intensive tasks on android, you will be more than satisfied with the Razr i. If you are more of a power user and dont care much about the features you should buy the Moto G. If you don't like any of the two buy the Nexus 5...

Thanks to all of you guys. I think to take with me the RAZR for the premium feels it gives to me even if less powerful. The only thing I could regret is the fact it will not get Kk.. but. I hope in you modders

Only advantage RazrI has to MotoG is quality and size, screen quality, camera, speaker should be equal, performance, devs and moto support should be better on MotoG.
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I have the same dilemma, I have a Moto G but not used yet as I'm waiting for a screen protector. I was about to get a Razr I but for £50 cheaper the Moto G made more sense. The Razr I i still £150 at the moment, maybe if it drops a little lower I will take one.
EDIT: I bought both a Moto G 8Gb and a Razr I, reason being my sister also wanted a new phone so whichever I didn't want she would take. The issue with Three stores in the UK is that the phone is locked into some protective casing in the shop so you can't hold them, and they don't allow opening one up unless you want to buy it, so it's difficult to compare them in the shops.
However, as soon as you hold both in your hand the Razr I has a much more premium feel, it's probably the nicest phone I have ever handled (and that includes an iPhone 5). IMO the iPhone 5 is a perfect size and weight and this is pretty much the same but without IOS (which is a benefit!).
I don't see much difference in the screen at all in terms of size and quality. The Razr I feels quicker though as you scroll through menus and open up apps etc. Plus the SD card slot is a nice addition (although not one of my requirements).
Is it worth an extra £50/33% premium on top of the Moto G? I guess that depends on what you will use it for. If you're not going to use much storage and are a light user then the Moto G is the one to go for, especially with a guaranteed 4.4 update to Android. If you can spend the extra then get the Razr I it's a bargain for what it is.

I have both at the moment and believe me it's a tough question for sure. I must say one handed use of RAZR i is a big plus.
Razr I advantages :
Better camera
Micro-sd support up to 64gb
One handed use
Premium quality
Better and faster internet experience
Moto G advantages
Better display
Better battery ( just a little )
Better front cam
Current Android version, update to Lollipop
Better gaming experience
I will wait for 4.4.2 on RAZR i to make a better judgement. btw moto g gets 17500 while razr i gets 17000 antutu points. ( the lower resolution on razr i helps to its inferiror gpu compared to Adreno 305 with 720p on moto g )

It's 2017 - is the Moto X (2014) still recommended?

I've the chance to buy probably BNDS / BNIB units at the same cost as say more recent MT6737M/ Snapdragon 435 even MT6795 units with microsd, 64bit support.
I'm tempted by having the snapdragon 801 at a low cost but is it too late now expecially with the lack of 64bit support or does its raw power still relevant?
What would you do?

Moto X was a great device in its era. Even today I still praise it for the most compact device with a 5,2 inch screen. I can operate it easily with one hand. But,in today's standart,it's an outdated device. You got plenty devices with better specs and prices to choose. The most complaint with Moto X in my opinion is the battery life. I own a Xiaomi Redmi Note 4X and comparing both is so pathetic. Battery endurance in Redmi Note 4 is so much better. If Moto X is the device with 4000 mah battery, I think it's still countable. With custom ROM,Moto X is still fast and fluid. I prefer using Moto X daily than my RN4X coz the design fits perfectly in my pocket.
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I don't even know how to root it to get sunshine. Kingroot doesnt work and sunshine says the firmware isnt compatible.

Absolutely......................................not. Look I love my X 2014 but it was a flawed device when it came out and that didn't let it age well. The camera and battery were terrible when it came out, now they are down right garbage in comparison to mid rangers. The screen was average when it came out, now it's terrible in comparison. The lack of fingerprint sensor might not seem like a big deal but until you use it, you don't know what your missing. The phone is still smooth but how long until developers move on. The design in my opinion was still one of the best, a classic for sure. It's just not worth it.
Get a Moto G5 Plus or similar, they are under 200 sales.

Battery is too bad nowadays even if performance is alright, if you absolutely must go Moto then get the G5 Plus

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huatz84 said:
prefer using Moto X daily than my RN4X coz the design fits perfectly in my pocket.
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Yeah I had hoped that the overall experience is still preferable even taking into account its cons.
huatz84 said:
The most complaint with Moto X in my opinion is the battery life.
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I'm of the mindset that I can offset this issuee with phone with lots of powerbank choices now.
Visi0nofExcellence2 said:
The camera and battery were terrible when it came out, now they are down right garbage in comparison to mid rangers. The screen was average when it came out, now it's terrible in comparison.
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This is disappointing -- 1 factor that makes me consider this is (since i had no real life experience with it) -- that the AMOLED screen and camera would still be competent to comparable models.
Visi0nofExcellence2 said:
...It's just not worth it.
Get a Moto G5 Plus or similar, they are under 200 sales.
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DustArma said:
Battery is too bad nowadays even if performance is alright, if you absolutely must go Moto then get the G5 Plus
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OK, if while considering all the above I add the relative context that in my area if available the G5 plus is 200USD, while the Moto X would be 110USD bnew, would that make it more appealing?

I've had mine for 2 years, and still loving it. I bought it in a carrier store for 400 Canadian Dollars. Since I can only buy phones in a store at full retail price, my choices are somewhat limited. I still can't find a "better" phone at $500 CAD. My Moto X 2014 is running the latest Android perfectly with 2GB RAM, and will run Android 8.0 Oreo (custom ROMs). The only consideration is band support, as it may not support the latest and fastest LTE bands used by some carriers nowadays. Also, this phone has NFC, some lower priced new phones may not.
The things I would be looking for in a new phone: longer battery life, latest LTE bands support, and maybe a bigger screen, like 5.5+ inch.

I just got that phone about 3 days ago... It is just amazing..remember.. It was a flagship.. Soft/hdw integratiom are perfect. Even with low battery and 2 gb of ram.. It's more worthy than several mid ranges phone mentioned. Besides, you get plenty of development for at least one more year.. Go for it!