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Hey everyone.
I just got my 4x HD and i was wondering why i always have around 70% ram used on idle.
I checked in task manager and there was for around 200mb of services and apps running max, can't find where the other 400mb went.
Anyone knows if this is normal? How much ram does your phone use on average?
I agree with 700mb ram already used. But doesnt lag the phone though.
AW: Ram usage
its better when more ram is used. all the apps u used are stored in ram for quicker app start when run the app again. in other words: phone is faster when more ram is used. only if u hit the 1gb limit the phone would lag
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gordon0001 said:
its better when more ram is used. all the apps u used are stored in ram for quicker app start when run the app again. in other words: phone is faster when more ram is used. only if u hit the 1gb limit the phone would lag
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thats true, but i too have ram problem in my o4x,
it starts lagging and freezing after some time if memory is not cleared by any task manager. and at extreme it restarts the phone.
i haven't installed that much apps yet, i installed more apps in my HTC Explorer and that phone never did things like this but this phone has double ram and still doing strange things.
and i installed swapper to solve the problem but now i'm stuck on boot logo, any help appreciated.
and any help on my bricked phone is also appreciated at my post here, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2192894
still, my phone uses 800Megs of RAM and constant lag.
fyi every time someone complains that their Android phone is using a lot of RAM an angel loses its wings.
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fyi every time someone complains that their Android phone is using a lot of RAM an angel loses its wings.
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but.. but.. but how will the games work smooth if there's only 100megs ram free?
I understand that system/UI works faster when everything is loaded in ram... but i don't like apps in background sucking my battery. I've seen this clearly in Battery Monitor. When ram is clear it uses about 25mW (on idle), with stuff in background it's closer to 100mW or more... I don't like my phone eating battery 4 times faster on idle that it should.
_MiseryMachine_ said:
but.. but.. but how will the games work smooth if there's only 100megs ram free?
I understand that system/UI works faster when everything is loaded in ram... but i don't like apps in background sucking my battery. I've seen this clearly in Battery Monitor. When ram is clear it uses about 25mW (on idle), with stuff in background it's closer to 100mW or more... I don't like my phone eating battery 4 times faster on idle that it should.
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Again, this isn't Windows, it's Android. Free RAM is wasted RAM. If it has only 100Mb free and you launch a heavy game, it'll promptly free the needed RAM by offloading the least used stuff it still has on RAM.
On the other hand, if you call that program you only use once a day, it's probably still in your RAM, and will open as if you've only just used it (well, almost).
The used RAM isn't necessarily active, so not all the apps stored there are sucking battery. Your test results are accurate, but your conclusions are fallacious: yes, there's less battery usage when the RAM is clearest, but, as they say, "you've thrown out the baby with the bathwater", i.e. when unloading ALL apps, you also unloaded the ones that were consuming battery. On the other hand, you've also thrown out stuff that were just kept in memory, but weren't active.
The other problem with your approach is that, after you unload ALL apps, the most troublesome ones will probably reload themselves back into RAM. So, even if right after freeing RAM you reduce your battery usage, a few minutes later it will be back to the same.
What you should do is get a program like BetterBateryStats and find out what's actually sucking your battery. When it does, you have a few alternatives:
- uninstall apps that are sucking your battery but you just don't need;
- greenify some of the apps that you do need, just not all the time;
- freeze some apps (with Titanium Backup) that you don't use but can't uninstall.
i tend to disagree with people saying free ram is wasted ram and preloading apps in ram is good and that for this simple reason.
everytime you start a app that is not preloaded (it can only preload so many apps) it has to use cpu time to unload it then load the next app resulting in extra cpu usage = less battery time.
many people complain about battery life except me.
and i really manage my phones resources all day long and have nsane results noone else seems to get.
i have over 5 hours 30 min screen on time (me browsing watching youtube using whatsapp and so on.) and have over 630 mb ram free.
my total stanby time on lght use is 5 days with 2 hours 30 min screen on time.
i would send screenshots as proof but for some reason the lg 4x hd bluetooth wont install on windows 7 x64.
but really since i starte to actively manage my phone the battery lasts longer and i never had a stutter or anything.
and as a sidenote my phone is stil unrooted and stock v10h so with root i could prevent even mre from starting up and have even more free ram and better results.
and yes the poster above me is right some apps will reload themselves so IF you use a task killed prevent it from killing tasks that start themselves up again.
like google partner setup , media and more google stuff.
hutjeflut said:
i tend to disagree with people saying free ram is wasted ram and preloading apps in ram is good and that for this simple reason.
everytime you start a app that is not preloaded (it can only preload so many apps) it has to use cpu time to unload it then load the next app resulting in extra cpu usage = less battery time.
many people complain about battery life except me.
and i really manage my phones resources all day long and have nsane results noone else seems to get.
i have over 5 hours 30 min screen on time (me browsing watching youtube using whatsapp and so on.) and have over 630 mb ram free.
my total stanby time on lght use is 5 days with 2 hours 30 min screen on time.
i would send screenshots as proof but for some reason the lg 4x hd bluetooth wont install on windows 7 x64.
but really since i starte to actively manage my phone the battery lasts longer and i never had a stutter or anything.
and as a sidenote my phone is stil unrooted and stock v10h so with root i could prevent even mre from starting up and have even more free ram and better results.
and yes the poster above me is right some apps will reload themselves so IF you use a task killed prevent it from killing tasks that start themselves up again.
like google partner setup , media and more google stuff.
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I had that problem when I installed the first leaked V20A, now with the official V20A EUR_XXX bluetooth is working fine, faster tranfears than with ICS.
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I have problems, too. My o4x is working about 2.5 years but im very angry because of the ram usage problem. The ram is always %70-80. And the phone is very very very... slow. If the cpu is works %80, what can i do ? The battery is finishing very early. I dont wanna new phone. Im not rich. I dont want to buy a new iPhone. Everyone say "The iPhone (ios) is the best. Android is the worst. Bla bla bla.. " And I believe this... PLEASE HELP ME (( :crying:
I've been lately seeing multiple performance problems, having updated to official Sammy 4.4.2 Kitkat a few months ago. I'm unable to isolate these problems as separate from simply a worn out battery.I still have a fair amount of apps installed (about 100-150 total) but nothing that is an obvious cuplrit other than the usual clients: facebook, chrome, whatsapp and flipboard.
- RAM usage is very high (1.56 GB out of 1.98 GB). Killing all apps has no effect on the available RAM, there are just too many system processes that don't quit.
- battery drainage has been out of control, whereas previously I might go 14 hours on a full charge, now it's over in 3-4 hours
- battery often gets hot, while low, while charging, while using the phone, while using the screen, etc.
- apps like whatsapp often freeze for 5-15 seconds while taking keyboard input. alternate keyboards than Sammy exhibit the same problem.
- battery usage is overwhlemingly (50%+) "Android System" which could mean any of the dozen services running (facebook, google play, exchange, flipboard, briefing, email)
What I tried:
- uninstalled any big apps like games and audio
- disabled all the Sammy bloatware and froze other apps
- limited bg processes to 4 or 2 using debugger mode
Same visible problems with RAM, heat, CPU usage and battery health continue. What are my best options?
- debug it better, root the phone to get shell access and look for resource hogs
- buy a new battery
- reset phone to original settings, reinstall problem apps starting with whatsapp
- root with custom mod like cyanogen 4.4.3
- downgrade to 4.4.2
- get a performing phone like Nexus 5
I've got a 2 year old I9305 from the UK that's rooted and using the German 4.3 Stock ROM (couldn't update to 4.3 with a UK ROM at the time).
The battery life used to be much better - I've had it for a year (I bought it as not working from a family member and then got it running) and would easily get over a days use including hooked up to the wifi most of the day, 2-3 hours with the screen on etc but now I find I'm often getting less than a day with similar use. I've since done a factory reset and re-installed my apps but it's not improved anything noticeably.
I rotate through 4 Anker 2200mAh a genuine Samsung and a Samsung battery bought on Amazon (genuine - not sure about that!) using a wall mounted charger to do most of the charging as I spent the last 8 months traveling and didn't want my phone sat around in dorm rooms plugged into the mains while I wasn't in the room.
If I only had the one battery then it would make sense that it's ability to hold a full 2100mAh charge would drop after a year but with 5-6 batteries taking the strain, I'd assume that this would be less likely. I was looking at apps like Nova battery tester and An tu tu Tester and will give them a go tonight on which ever battery is in the phone - are they any good?
If the batteries are still taking a solid charge then I guess it's time to go back down the route of a custom ROM but as I travel a lot, I'm loathe to mess around with my S3 too much. I had an HTC HD2 that was running CWM and a couple of different ROM's and it died on me a couple of times while I was on the road. That was less of an issue than it will be now as I was traveling with a netbook - the S3 is my only device now so I need to to be stable. I'm not averse to going through the process of putting a ROM on the phone if there are a couple that are known to be super stable and lighter than stock on battery life, but if I can stick with my stock set up with some tweaks...I've got All in one toolbox controlling which apps load on boot, greenify to hibernate apps (instead of a task killer knocking them off) and No Bloat stopping the bloatware from running.
Any suggestions would be most welcome.
Hmm.. As you are using greenify, boot apps control and no bloat, you are extremely in control of your rom - that's good.
I think that there would be negligible to none difference in battery life between your rom and any custom. Stock Touchwizz roms are said to have better battery (from my own experience too), therefore installing any custom aosp rom should be rejected.
What I can suggest? Download some recent full rom from sammobile or live updates samsung (search google) and flash it through odin. Or maybe you have tried it?
However running one rom for few months may have some influence on battery too.
Also, installing custom kernel is the thing that may help you optimize battery/performance with few interesting features. Boeffla has great description and faq on the website and user-friendly config app. But that's only if you want to experiment (it is still rock-stable) a little bit.
Try custom
The 4.3 JB upgrade is well known as a battery killer. I had stock 4.3 from Base (Germany), but the 4.3 from H3G (UK) is the same for battery life. I have used CM 11.0 as well as others, almost all are nicer to batteries than stock.
Currently I use the S5 Elite Lite Rom. The current version 1.4 seems to be very stable even with both cpu and gpu overclocked. Battery life is still a little better than stock 4.3 and that is despite not using the deep sleep feature. CM 11.0 is even better for battery, at least for me probably down to there being none of the Stock bloatware. Hope that helps.
The best rom to stock rom good battery usage
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Hbohd said:
Hmm.. As you are using greenify, boot apps control and no bloat, you are extremely in control of your rom - that's good.
I think that there would be negligible to none difference in battery life between your rom and any custom. Stock Touchwizz roms are said to have better battery (from my own experience too), therefore installing any custom aosp rom should be rejected.
What I can suggest? Download some recent full rom from sammobile or live updates samsung (search google) and flash it through odin. Or maybe you have tried it?
However running one rom for few months may have some influence on battery too.
Also, installing custom kernel is the thing that may help you optimize battery/performance with few interesting features. Boeffla has great description and faq on the website and user-friendly config app. But that's only if you want to experiment (it is still rock-stable) a little bit.
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The current ROM was one from a year ago when I first set up the phone but I've since done a factory reset and reinstalled all my apps.
I didn't realize that I could run a custom kernel with a stock ROM - that's something I'll look into. I don't have a custom recovery set up as the last time I used one on my HD2 I had nothing but trouble and, as I said, I need this set up to be reliable over pretty much everything else.
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The 4.3 JB upgrade is well known as a battery killer. I had stock 4.3 from Base (Germany), but the 4.3 from H3G (UK) is the same for battery life. I have used CM 11.0 as well as others, almost all are nicer to batteries than stock.
Currently I use the S5 Elite Lite Rom. The current version 1.4 seems to be very stable even with both cpu and gpu overclocked. Battery life is still a little better than stock 4.3 and that is despite not using the deep sleep feature. CM 11.0 is even better for battery, at least for me probably down to there being none of the Stock bloatware. Hope that helps.
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How long have you been running S5 Elite ROM? I think I'd probably stick with CM, though I'm intrigued by some of the other stuff out there, but ideally I'd like to stick with a solid, stock rom without a custom recovery.
SYMLY, I don't really understand what you meant in your post.
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How long have you been running S5 Elite ROM? I think I'd probably stick with CM, though I'm intrigued by some of the other stuff out there, but ideally I'd like to stick with a solid, stock rom without a custom recovery.
SYMLY, I don't really understand what you meant in your post.
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I have been running the S5 Elite ROM for a couple of weeks only. In that time I have found it very stable, by stable I mean no random reboots, and no force closes. It is not completely glitch free for example some apps need to have the sd card unmounted before being installed. I run it overclocked at 1.8Ghz and slight over clocking on the GPU too. Antutu score was around 20800. The S5 Elite ROM gives me a stock look including the S apps I want specifically SPlanner and SVoice.
If you really want to have a completely stock rom with good battery life you might need to consider downgrading to a 4.1.2 rom from Samfirmware or waiting for the fabled 4.4.2 upgrade. I've been waiting on that for months and finally gave up, hence I'm now using the S5 Elite.
Best of luck deciding, I guess there is no one size fits all solution.
Roms that may help with the batteries.
So far i've seen that stock roms usually consume less battery than stock firmware . something that may help you is deleting apps that you know you'll never use at all. that removes the autorun consuming less battery. Now. among the best but remains on 4.3, is the Alliancerom v3.5. i've seen that my battery drained less faster than on stock firmware. but also due to its kernel it can be controlled the amount of mhz using for process (if you don't know how to use it, do not touch it) . and also the charging rate can be controlled.
If you want a touchwiz based rom, i recommend AllianceROM V3.5 or AMCHA rom v6.11. Both roms are super stable, Alliance lags quite a bit though. Ive been using AMCHA (with S5 theme and agni kernel from aroma installer) rom for awhile, so far so problems and pretty good battery life
You can also try archidroid and neat ROM they are one of the best touchwiz 4.3 roms
To be honest, I'm thinking that I'd rather go down the route of checking over my batteries and trying out any other utilities that might aid in reducing the battery use of my S3.
If I were to go down the custom ROM route then I'd be more interested in the kernels as it's been pointed out that they're going to have more impact on power consumption.
So, any suggestions for utilities - as I've said I'm running all in one toolbox, no bloat and greenify. What about apps to check the actual capacity of the battery?
Well. That been said. Then my suggestion is that you delete apps you dont use at all. Actually that also works in alliancerom 3.5 or any rom or stock firmware. It is obvious that if you delete apps that have autorun enabeled by default when you restart or turn on it affects the ram and also affects the battery draining. My alliancerom 3.5 battery last even more than the original firmware. I've deleted plenty of apps i didnt need at all. More like junk to me. Of course. All of this you can do only if you are rooted. Also another suggestion. Ebay sells i9305 extended battery. It comes with the double, Triple and even more amount of mah for pretty good prices. With them i can assure you that you will use your smartphone with the highest performance without been worried of low battery until night.
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If I were to go down the custom ROM route then I'd be more interested in the kernels as it's been pointed out that they're going to have more impact on power consumption.
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No... nono ononono.
Stock kernel will have similar battery performance as agni or boeffla (on same settings). Sure, custom can bring a enhancment or two, but the battery improvements would be minimal.
A custom kernel will only improve a stock kernel battery performance if the stock kernel is ****ty to begin with. Not the case with TW 4.3
It's the rom, and it's apps and your apps.
How about installing Better Battery Stats and posting a few screenshots?
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No... nono ononono.
Stock kernel will have similar battery performance as agni or boeffla (on same settings). Sure, custom can bring a enhancment or two, but the battery improvements would be minimal.
A custom kernel will only improve a stock kernel battery performance if the stock kernel is ****ty to begin with. Not the case with TW 4.3
It's the rom, and it's apps and your apps.
How about installing Better Battery Stats and posting a few screenshots?
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Cheers for that. I'm aware of the obvious basic stuff affecting battery use like cutting down the number of running apps (hence why I use all in one, no bloat etc) but no little about kernels or their battery related benefits.
That app sounds good, I'll stick it on today and then happily post a few screenshots for you to look through. I've just had a look and it's a paid app - bearing mind I'm only needing the use of this once or twice are there any similar free ones.
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Cheers for that. I'm aware of the obvious basic stuff affecting battery use like cutting down the number of running apps (hence why I use all in one, no bloat etc) but no little about kernels or their battery related benefits.
That app sounds good, I'll stick it on today and then happily post a few screenshots for you to look through. I've just had a look and it's a paid app - bearing mind I'm only needing the use of this once or twice are there any similar free ones.
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If you have zillion apps (like me), then they tend to update frequently, use more and more resources, and services.
I was astonished to see that some apps that i installed just in case - like ebay, skype, tripadvisor - and never used yet, - were running services and have put themselves into autostart!
if you are rooted and use autostarts utility, you can disable a lot of junk in the on start and after start events.
you will immediately see the difference in boot time.
i also deinstalled the apps mentioned above, and battery usage back to normal.
lisbon2004 said:
If you have zillion apps (like me), then they tend to update frequently, use more and more resources, and services.
I was astonished to see that some apps that i installed just in case - like ebay, skype, tripadvisor - and never used yet, - were running services and have put themselves into autostart!
if you are rooted and use autostarts utility, you can disable a lot of junk in the on start and after start events.
you will immediately see the difference in boot time.
i also deinstalled the apps mentioned above, and battery usage back to normal.
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Ok, for those new to these things I'll give you a brief run down of the 3 apps I keep mentioning to save people posting suggestions for things that they already do....
Nobloat (root) - delete (including permanently) any apps including system apps (get rid of the pre-installed bloatware.
All in one toolbox pro (there's a free version) - I use this to clean up my autostarts - I can determine which apps will load on boot - both user apps and system apps.
Greenify - hibernates apps rather than killing them so they don't then autostart. There's also a way to have apps brought out of hibernation if their push notifications come through.
All in all, 3 very useful apps.
Feel free to mention any other ones to help things run a little smoother.
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Ok, for those new to these things I'll give you a brief run down of the 3 apps I keep mentioning to save people posting suggestions for things that they already do....
Nobloat (root) - delete (including permanently) any apps including system apps (get rid of the pre-installed bloatware.
All in one toolbox pro (there's a free version) - I use this to clean up my autostarts - I can determine which apps will load on boot - both user apps and system apps.
Greenify - hibernates apps rather than killing them so they don't then autostart. There's also a way to have apps brought out of hibernation if their push notifications come through.
All in all, 3 very useful apps.
Feel free to mention any other ones to help things run a little smoother.
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Do what i did, i bought a 6000mah mbuynow battery off ebay which seems to be around 4000mah true. It lasts about 90% more than the stock battery. im still not impressed with the battery life as phones these days can achieve the 8 hours of screen on time that i get with my extended battery with there stock batterys. i9300 has better battery life for some reason even though my i9305 is undervolt and underclock
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Do what i did, i bought a 6000mah mbuynow battery off ebay which seems to be around 4000mah true. It lasts about 90% more than the stock battery. im still not impressed with the battery life as phones these days can achieve the 8 hours of screen on time that i get with my extended battery with there stock batterys. i9300 has better battery life for some reason even though my i9305 is undervolt and underclock
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That sugestion is completly wrong. A 6000mAh battery is huge and adds a lot of weight and bulkiness to the phone.
Exactly! it's perfectly viable to live with a standard battery on our device, if you use a right rom and de-bloat.
Say no to bulk! ))
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First of all I would like to say that I have searched the forums and Google but to no avail. Hence I am starting this thread.
First of all the RAM, the free RAM on 4.3 (stock .205) is awful, sometimes I am down to about 70mb even after a clean boot I have around 250-300mb free. This is ****, my 2011 Xperia had better RAM management. Is there anything that can be done to fix this or does anyone know what uses so much RAM (I have de-bloated the ROM and have minimal apps, none of which eat significant RAM).
Secondly battery drain, whenever the alarm (stock Sony app) is on I get horrible battery drain and the android os uses excess mobile data which causes the battery drain (device never deep sleeps). It is a very annoying issue that I haven't been able to fix, I typically lose between 23%-30% over night at a rate of ~3% per hour.
What do you guys think? Any suggestions?
Any input is appreciated.
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First of all I would like to say that I have searched the forums and Google but to no avail. Hence I am starting this thread.
First of all the RAM, the free RAM on 4.3 (stock .205) is awful, sometimes I am down to about 70mb even after a clean boot I have around 250-300mb free. This is ****, my 2011 Xperia had better RAM management. Is there anything that can be done to fix this or does anyone know what uses so much RAM (I have de-bloated the ROM and have minimal apps, none of which eat significant RAM).
Secondly battery drain, whenever the alarm (stock Sony app) is on I get horrible battery drain and the android os uses excess mobile data which causes the battery drain (device never deep sleeps). It is a very annoying issue that I haven't been able to fix, I typically lose between 23%-30% over night at a rate of ~3% per hour.
What do you guys think? Any suggestions?
Any input is appreciated.
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Wow, free RAM under 70 mb maybe u should check all of your running apps, each apps have a different memory usage and there is one app with much memory usage, and as we know, the bloatware is also use the memory even though they are not using it. When i'm on stock, i had never get free RAM under 150 mb, my phone is rooted and i'm using root uninstaller app to freeze some bloatware apps and uninstall them :good:
ShinOrochiX said:
First of all I would like to say that I have searched the forums and Google but to no avail. Hence I am starting this thread.
First of all the RAM, the free RAM on 4.3 (stock .205) is awful, sometimes I am down to about 70mb even after a clean boot I have around 250-300mb free. This is ****, my 2011 Xperia had better RAM management. Is there anything that can be done to fix this or does anyone know what uses so much RAM (I have de-bloated the ROM and have minimal apps, none of which eat significant RAM).
Secondly battery drain, whenever the alarm (stock Sony app) is on I get horrible battery drain and the android os uses excess mobile data which causes the battery drain (device never deep sleeps). It is a very annoying issue that I haven't been able to fix, I typically lose between 23%-30% over night at a rate of ~3% per hour.
What do you guys think? Any suggestions?
Any input is appreciated.
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The RAM issue is a pretty common issue with our SP.
You can try some different custom ROMs in the development thread (Out of the ones I've tried OmniRom seems to have the most free RAM so far). Also, if you have root and you don'y want to remain on the stock ROM, try using Greenify for apps you don't want to constantly run.
WLD (wakelock detector) is another app you can install to see what apps are misbehaving and destroying your battery life
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The RAM issue is a pretty common issue with our SP.
You can try some different custom ROMs in the development thread (Out of the ones I've tried OmniRom seems to have the most free RAM so far). Also, if you have root and you don'y want to remain on the stock ROM, try using Greenify for apps you don't want to constantly run.
WLD (wakelock detector) is another app you can install to see what apps are misbehaving and destroying your battery life
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Yeah, I tried some ROMs, including eXistenZ but to no avail. As for the battery issue it has something to do with the alarm/google play services/android os, but the funny thing is that eXistenZ does not have the battery drain.
You might check what xposed framework can bring you. Has some nice add-ons to handle wakelocks in a better (w.r.t battery life) way
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I've only been really using my S6A for a few months, and in that time it has been getting exponentially slower, now to the point that it lags several seconds before showing the home screen. Upon checking the stats, I noticed that the RAM was almost topped out, and even a ram cleaner couldn't keep more that 200Mb free. I've heard this may be a problem with touchwiz, but I'm curious, is it really a common problem, and is there a fix? P.S. I only have two user apps running in the background, and they usually take up 50Mb of RAM between them, so it's not that.
My old Samsung galaxy express had an issue like this to the extent where I got annoyed and switched to the moto g3. If you use any app such as clean master, you may think it works, but it actually doesn't help, it makes performance worse.my suggestion is to uninstall any cleaner apps if you have any and restart your device.