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Like the title says, is the Verizon Wireless Dev Edition worth the extra $50 for the unlocked bootloader and additional 16gb?
Coming from moto devices with locked bootloaders (Droid 1, 3, Razr Maxx) you would think it would be an easy answer because of the unlocked bootloader the Dev Edition has. Just want to make sure if it's really worth it, as this will most likely be my last Moto device (Thx to Lenovo).
Do you want a warranty if you plan to unlock? Do you need the 32gb or is 16 good?
I don't see any other need for discussion ....its what you need. No one here can guess what you need?
But my quick answer ...soley based on the fact that 50 is not a huge amount of cash....yes. I'd get it for sure if I could have. Why not?
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Do you want root without having to jump through hoops and ladders, hoping that someone finds an exploit after each OTA? If so then yes, the extra cost (which is just for the extra 16gb) isn't that much in the big picture and is definitely worth the convenience if you are a root/rom user.
Also, I don't think Lenovo is going to ruin Motorola like everyone is thinking they are, but that's for a different topic.
For me yes. I don't want a device that I cannot unlock the bootloader.
It's the same price as a non-DE 32 GB Moto X. The real question is, "what's more important for you: a custom-designed phone or an unlockable bootloader?" For me, the decision was easy, I took the DE and bought a diztronic case to cover the white back.
rda990 said:
Like the title says, is the Verizon Wireless Dev Edition worth the extra $50 for the unlocked bootloader and additional 16gb?
Coming from moto devices with locked bootloaders (Droid 1, 3, Razr Maxx) you would think it would be an easy answer because of the unlocked bootloader the Dev Edition has. Just want to make sure if it's really worth it, as this will most likely be my last Moto device (Thx to Lenovo).
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Yes it is.
kj2112 said:
Do you want a warranty if you plan to unlock? Do you need the 32gb or is 16 good?
I don't see any other need for discussion ....its what you need. No one here can guess what you need?
But my quick answer ...soley based on the fact that 50 is not a huge amount of cash....yes. I'd get it for sure if I could have. Why not?
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Keeping the warranty while unlocked would be nice. I currently have a 64gb external + 16gb internal on my Razr Maxx, so I probably will need all the space possible.
I just wanted to hear some opinions of people, if think it's worth it or not and why.
detonation said:
Do you want root without having to jump through hoops and ladders, hoping that someone finds an exploit after each OTA? If so then yes, the extra cost (which is just for the extra 16gb) isn't that much in the big picture and is definitely worth the convenience if you are a root/rom user.
Also, I don't think Lenovo is going to ruin Motorola like everyone is thinking they are, but that's for a different topic.
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Dev Edition comes rooted???
I really hope Lenovo doesn't, no one really knows. They could keep the Motorola name going for a few years and just get totally rid of it by slapping the name "Lenovo" on future moto hardware.
esmith818 said:
It's the same price as a non-DE 32 GB Moto X. The real question is, "what's more important for you: a custom-designed phone or an unlockable bootloader?" For me, the decision was easy, I took the DE and bought a diztronic case to cover the white back.
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All my phones have been protected with an Otterbox, never have been naked so there wouldn't be a point in getting a custom one.
How good is a diztronic compared to an Otterbox?
Thanks guys for your comments. I'll be ordering a Dev Edition later today, it's going to be hard letting go of my OG Razr Maxx.
rda990 said:
How good is a diztronic compared to an Otterbox?
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If you're an otter box guy, you'll want to stick with that brand. I have always gone case-less, but just can't stomach the white back on the DE. The diztronic is merely for looks -- I can't imagine it would be of any use if the phone were dropped.
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Dev Edition comes rooted???
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No, but it's about as easy as rooting a Nexus device (unlock the bootloader via Motorola's website, flash a custom recovery, then flash SU). And you get to keep your warranty.
Without the DE, you cannot unlock the bootloader, and to get root you need to downgrade to 4.2.2 and run an exploit which involves executing some scripts via telnut. And once the next OTA comes out, it's likely this method will be patched and you'd need to wait for another exploit to be found.
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No, but it's about as easy as rooting a Nexus device (unlock the bootloader via Motorola's website, flash a custom recovery, then flash SU). And you get to keep your warranty.
Without the DE, you cannot unlock the bootloader, and to get root you need to downgrade to 4.2.2 and run an exploit which involves executing some scripts via telnut. And once the next OTA comes out, it's likely this method will be patched and you'd need to wait for another exploit to be found.
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Other Moto x's can have unlocked bootloaders...except a couple. You just void warranty.
Just to be clear.
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Yes tho...if he gets an ordinary Verizon ....he can't unlock boot loader. Boo Verizon. Lol
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If the back is an issue just buy a new back off of eBay. They are pretty easy to get on and off.
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....it's going to be hard letting go of my OG Razr Maxx.
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I had a Razr MAXX and don't miss it at all. The Moto X is a much better phone. It won't match the battery life of the MAXX, but its worth the trade-off.
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If you're an otter box guy, you'll want to stick with that brand. I have always gone case-less, but just can't stomach the white back on the DE. The diztronic is merely for looks -- I can't imagine it would be of any use if the phone were dropped.
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Yea I'll just stick to Otterbox then. It's amazing how many times I've dropped my Razr Maxx (honestly over 100) and it's still running strong. My first Otterbox case started to show heavy signs of wear and tear so I got a brand new one from Otterbox thanks to their lifetime warranty :good:
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No, but it's about as easy as rooting a Nexus device (unlock the bootloader via Motorola's website, flash a custom recovery, then flash SU). And you get to keep your warranty.
Without the DE, you cannot unlock the bootloader, and to get root you need to downgrade to 4.2.2 and run an exploit which involves executing some scripts via telnut. And once the next OTA comes out, it's likely this method will be patched and you'd need to wait for another exploit to be found.
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Very easy I see. I thought that with every OTA even on the DE you have to re-root. So on a DE/Unlocked Bootleader SU/Root stays permanently, thanks for clarifying.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
I had a Razr MAXX and don't miss it at all. The Moto X is a much better phone. It won't match the battery life of the MAXX, but its worth the trade-off.
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I might miss it more since I paid ~$500 for the Limited Edition (Employee Edition) one, so to me it is much more than just a Razr Maxx, dumb I know...How different is battery life between the too? I would think that the X would hang in there with the Droid regardless of battery size since the Maxx is 2 years old.
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I might miss it more since I paid ~$500 for the Limited Edition (Employee Edition) one, so to me it is much more than just a Razr Maxx, dumb I know...How different is battery life between the too? I would think that the X would hang in there with the Droid regardless of battery size since the Maxx is 2 years old.
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With the MAXX I could easily get 24+ hours with 5.5-6 hrs screen on time with heavy use. Some people on here have been able to get close to that with their X, but I'm getting closer to 3.5-4 hrs of screen on time.
As always you're mileage may vary.
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Very easy I see. I thought that with every OTA even on the DE you have to re-root. So on a DE/Unlocked Bootleader SU/Root stays permanently, thanks for clarifying.
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Well you do have to re-root after an OTA (assuming you haven't made system changes so that you can even take it) just like a Nexus, but it's still simply just reflashing a custom recovery and the SU zip. The bootloader stays unlocked.
For me yes its worth it. Rooting a non-Dev edition, looks like too much monkey business for me to be involved in. And I do like the extra 16gb.
Roland Stone said:
For me yes its worth it. Rooting a non-Dev edition, looks like too much monkey business for me to be involved in. And I do like the extra 16gb.
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Rooting any unlocked x is the same.
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rda990 said:
Yea I'll just stick to Otterbox then. It's amazing how many times I've dropped my Razr Maxx (honestly over 100) and it's still running strong. ...
Very easy I see. I thought that with every OTA even on the DE you have to re-root. So on a DE/Unlocked Bootleader SU/Root stays permanently, thanks for clarifying. .
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If you're going with a case, then the woven white back of the DE vs. customization of the moto maker version is off the table.
That brings it down to how much do you need root? and how easy do you want the root process to be.
Yes, you need to re-root for every OTA. To root in the first place, you flash a custom recovery (like TWRP), then flash/install SuperSU. To get ready for the next OTA, as long as you didn't touch system files, etc, just flash the stock recovery back on, take the OTA. Once its on there, re-root by flashing custom recovery then flash/install SuperSU.
I for one wanted root enough to purchase the Dev X for Verizon in early Nov, just two days before the first price drop. I don't regret it. Its easy to root, easy to put back to take OTA and re-root. And has 32gig (the 16gig version only had 11gig available to me out of the box which was not enough).
$50 for 16 GB was enough for me. The bootloader that is easier to unlock made the cost even more justifiable. I really don't care what my phone looks like as long as it is not gaudy, so the color choice, or lack thereof, didn't really bother me.
My only complaint with the phone is the current lack of development. Coming from a Galaxy Nexus toro, I knew there wouldn't be as much development, but it's drastically less. There have been no official releases from CM or AOKP which still baffles me.
The phone just isn't that popular for some crazy reason.....boo Google....hopefully the new guys turn Motorola around. Also the things that make the Moto x unique are gone on CM. So demand is low. Xposed fills the gap nicely tho.
Voiding warranties unlocking non dev boot loaders probably adds to the lack of interest too.
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I am looking to get a no contract Moto X. They say the model is XT1053. I don't want the Dev version because I like the Moto software that comes on the no Dev version. Is the Dev version just pure Android?
I am coming from the AT&T Galaxy S4 not rooted but sim unlocked.
I know the Moto X is a nice phone but almost having a hard time to commit to the purchase. I will be selling the Galaxy S4 to recoup the money but what would you do?
shamelin73 said:
I am looking to get a no contract Moto X. They say the model is XT1053. I don't want the Dev version because I like the Moto software that comes on the no Dev version. Is the Dev version just pure Android?
I am coming from the AT&T Galaxy S4 not rooted but sim unlocked.
I know the Moto X is a nice phone but almost having a hard time to commit to the purchase. I will be selling the Galaxy S4 to recoup the money but what would you do?
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Dev version and regular version are identical. The only difference is you don't lose your warranty when you unlock.
The Moto X is the best phone I've ever used, bar none. If you have read reviews and think you'll like it, buy it.
xd1936 said:
Dev version and regular version are identical. The only difference is you don't lose your warranty when you unlock.
The Moto X is the best phone I've ever used, bar none. If you have read reviews and think you'll like it, buy it.
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So the Dev version has the Moto Active display notifications? So it would be worth going that route well it is 324 too. Just dont know if I like the black front and white back.
shamelin73 said:
So the Dev version has the Moto Active display notifications? So it would be worth going that route well it is 324 too. Just dont know if I like the black front and white back.
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Yes. The Dev version and regular version are identical hardware and software.
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If you aren't interested in Unlocking the bootloader, I'd say get the moto maker version. Its a fantastic phone and you'll no doubt enjoy it regardless of which one you buy.
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shamelin73 said:
So the Dev version has the Moto Active display notifications? So it would be worth going that route well it is 324 too. Just dont know if I like the black front and white back.
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The Dev Edition XT1053, and the GSM Unlocked (comes with T-Mobile SIM) XT1053 and GSM Unlocked (comes with Net10 Sim) XT1053 use the same rom, radio, baseband, etc. They have the same software pre-installed, the same features, etc.
The Dev Edition comes only as Black Front, woven white back that says Dev Edition, silver accents (buttons and camera ring), 32gig, and unlocking the bootloader does NOT void the warranty.
The GSM Unlocked (with T-Mo or Net10 sim) is basically the same, except available as 16, 32 or 64gig, fully customizable front/back/accents, and unlocking its bootloader DOES void the warranty.
So if having the warranty is more important than looks, go with the Dev Edition and put a case on it. If looks or 64gig are more important than warranty, go Moto Maker.
I have a VZW developer edition. I purchased a black back cover for it. The covers are pretty easy to replace.
I wanted an unlocked bootloader so I would have the option of flashing mods or ROMs in the future. So far I'm satisfied with the stock software, but there may be a point in time I want something different.
ohiomoto said:
I have a VZW developer edition. I purchased a black back cover for it. The covers are pretty easy to replace.
I wanted an unlocked bootloader so I would have the option of flashing mods or ROMs in the future. So far I'm satisfied with the stock software, but there may be a point in time I want something different.
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Do you still have the white back?
Yep. Keeping it in case I decide to sell or change my mind down the road.
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Yep. Keeping it in case I decide to sell or change my mind down the road.
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Well if you decide to sell, let me know. I don't have a verizon moto x, but I like the woven white back better.
TY all for the help I will get the Moto Maker no contract one as the woven black is showing available again.
ohiomoto said:
I have a VZW developer edition. I purchased a black back cover for it. The covers are pretty easy to replace.
I wanted an unlocked bootloader so I would have the option of flashing mods or ROMs in the future. So far I'm satisfied with the stock software, but there may be a point in time I want something different.
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Nice. Where'd you get a black back plate? I'd like to change that also. Love having dev edition. Got it the day it launched but not a fan of the white back.
There is a thread somewhere in this forum with links to purchase replacement back plates. I think mine came from china.
Well I pulled the trigger on the Developer edition. I know the new ones are just around the corner but couldn't pass up the deal they have now.
I am coming from the AT&T Galaxy S4. Has been a nice phone but to bloated and locked down.
Can't wait.
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shamelin73 said:
Well I pulled the trigger on the Developer edition. I know the new ones are just around the corner but couldn't pass up the deal they have now.
I am coming from the AT&T Galaxy S4. Has been a nice phone but to bloated and locked down.
Can't wait.
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Woo hoo! Welcome to the club! Let us know if you have any questions.
I say no. The screen brightness/color accuracy is not good.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/fyi-dim-screen-moto-white-glove-t2753559
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I say no. The screen brightness/color accuracy is not good.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/fyi-dim-screen-moto-white-glove-t2753559
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Nobody in this forum seems to have experienced what you did tho.
Doesn't mean all moto x's have that issue. Mine sure doesn't. ?
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Nobody in this forum seems to have experienced what you did tho.
Doesn't mean all moto x's have that issue. Mine sure doesn't. ?
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I ended up with a "best example" of any X. The screen just not up to other phones for outdoor readability!
With no contract and being able to customize the look to meet your color needs, notifications and touch less control, Motorola Assist how can you not get one.
$299.99 for 16GB
$324.99 for 32GB
These people that ***** about this and that spend endless time complaining about everything!
No phone is perfect but its a good phone had it since roll out.
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I say no. The screen brightness/color accuracy is not good.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/fyi-dim-screen-moto-white-glove-t2753559
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I am not a fan of X's display coming from an S4, but which AMOLED panel has good colour accuracy? They all are extremely over saturated, S4 was, S5 is (a completely different story with Cinema preset though), and X is too. Yes I will agree that it's more saturated than S4's display, but still it's not that bad that I will have to complain about it. It's basically the same display which was used in Note 2 right?
Is it supposed to read text messages to you when you are actively using the phone? It is driving me absolutely nuts. It takes over the screen and announces the text
I'm lonely and don't get many txt... so I don't know.... I know it reads me the sms I get from tmobile when I pay my bill.
km8j said:
Is it supposed to read text messages to you when you are actively using the phone? It is driving me absolutely nuts. It takes over the screen and announces the text
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If you're actually using the phone, you can pull down the notification tray and tap the button to dismiss the Assist functionality, e.g. "I'm not driving" if you're riding in the car with someone else.
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If you're actually using the phone, you can pull down the notification tray and tap the button to dismiss the Assist functionality, e.g. "I'm not driving" if you're riding in the car with someone else.
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I'm referring to being home. It makes no sense. It knows I'm at home, which is in the notification tray. Say the phone is sitting on the counter, it will read texts to me - great. Now, I'm using the phone, browsing the web, etc. Someone text messages me and Moto Assist takes over the screen and announces to me, even though I'm already at the phone. Makes no sense.
Ah I see what you're saying. Perhaps that feature could use a bit of tweaking.
But isn't there at least an option to tell it to turn off?
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I'm referring to being home. It makes no sense. It knows I'm at home, which is in the notification tray. Say the phone is sitting on the counter, it will read texts to me - great. Now, I'm using the phone, browsing the web, etc. Someone text messages me and Moto Assist takes over the screen and announces to me, even though I'm already at the phone. Makes no sense.
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Check the Moto app. You can turn that off
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0.0 said:
Check the Moto app. You can turn that off
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Where?
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Where?
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I don't think you are understanding my point. I want this to happen but not if i'm HOLDING and USING the phone. It makes no sense.
Am I really the only one insanely annoyed by this?
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Am I really the only one insanely annoyed by this?
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I turned it off. Like you said, if it reads it while I'm using my phone, it makes no sense. Maybe in the future it can use the IR sensors to detect your face and not read messages aloud
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I turned it off. Like you said, if it reads it while I'm using my phone, it makes no sense. Maybe in the future it can use the IR sensors to detect your face and not read messages aloud
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That is ridiculous - how about just if the screen is on!
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That is ridiculous - how about just if the screen is on!
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this really isnt impacting anyone?
Has anyone tried rooting a Verizon Moto X 2014 with the program kingo root? I plugged my phone up today and it looked like it was capable but it is my only phone and I don't want to mess it up. Any thoughts?
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Has anyone tried rooting a Verizon Moto X 2014 with the program kingo root? I plugged my phone up today and it looked like it was capable but it is my only phone and I don't want to mess it up. Any thoughts?
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I'd think if it worked we would have heard about it by now. The Moto X is not on the list of supported devices. Though reading up on it, the website says if it doesn't work on your device it won't cause any issues, just reboot and carry on. You could take one for the team and give it a shot...
Yeah, not working. Worth a try though.
Does this over and over again and then fails....
Maybe it could work on KitKat?
damn this is the longest i've had a phone without root! prolly gonna have to sell this thing and get the m9 when it comes out! bad enough no bootloader unlock, but damn even no root thats gay
I haven't paid much attention to the Moto X scene since I got my Nexus 6. What is the current ETA from Moto on the X getting Lollipop?
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I haven't paid much attention to the Moto X scene since I got my Nexus 6. What is the current ETA from Moto on the X getting Lollipop?
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It's going to get 5.1
Soaks were released for 5.0.2 but never took off
adity said:
It's going to get 5.1
Soaks were released for 5.0.2 but never took off
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Thanks.