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Hate to complain but...

What are these screens supposed to look like? Mine seems OK except the touchscreen goes unresponsive at times. Also, colors are pretty dull and this thing has greys and gamma like a much inferior screen. Didn't reviews say the screen had great blacks, etc? I font have the ghost white hue glitch but it just seems generally washed out to me. Can others chime in?
Also, I know its a great deal so please don't flame, I want to just find out if others have a better experience or that mine is on the more defective end.
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Jayrod1980 said:
What are these screens supposed to look like? Mine seems OK except the touchscreen goes unresponsive at times. Also, colors are pretty dull and this thing has greys and gamma like a much inferior screen. Didn't reviews say the screen had great blacks, etc? I font have the ghost white hue glitch but it just seems generally washed out to me. Can others chime in?
Also, I know its a great deal so please don't flame, I want to just find out if others have a better experience or that mine is on the more defective end.
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Everything you just said is highly subjective. I love my screen. I think it's great. You may look at it and say its washed out and generally inferior. If you can't post pictures, there's nothing anyone here can do to help you sir. Some people undoubtedly are coming from ultra-high-end screens and will find this one lacking. Most, I think, do not.

My camera doesn't pick it up well but the Black's are not all that dark. I just thought the colors would be a little more saturated. This screen really doesn't look much better than a nook tablet. Its got higher resolution but the color and gamma and blacks are about the same. I guess I will find out once the replacement comes due to the touch issues.
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I've owned many different devices and my n7 is a bit washed out but not bad given the price. Hoping nice more dev builds up we can start playing around with fine tuning the screen
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The screen is easily the Nexus 7's weakest link, but considering the price... it's awesome. It took a little bit to get used to coming from the iPad 3 and its absolutely glorious screen, but I couldn't be happier with my N7.

Glad I'm not the only one that noticed the screen. My biggest problem though is the occasional unresponsiveness of the touchscreen. I'll check on the differences when I get a replacement sent to me. Thanks all for the replies
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I only notice the screen not looking great when I turn down the brightness to about 10-20%. On full brightness it looks amazing though...but I can deal with a little less than vibrant colors on my day-to-day use in order to extend the battery life.

Just glad we have 1280 vs the 1024 the Galaxy Tab 2 7 is using which is just a no go.
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Jayrod1980 said:
What are these screens supposed to look like? Mine seems OK except the touchscreen goes unresponsive at times. Also, colors are pretty dull and this thing has greys and gamma like a much inferior screen. Didn't reviews say the screen had great blacks, etc? I font have the ghost white hue glitch but it just seems generally washed out to me. Can others chime in?
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Have you played the Transformers movie at 30% to 50% brightness because I was blown away by the display when I did that?

The washed out screen was too much for me. I own the galaxy nexus and going from a super AMOLED screen to IPS was very jarring. The light bleeding on the Nexus 7 was pretty bad too, and when you touch the screen you get the 'air pocket' effect. The panel is definitely the worst thing about the device. I got the Samsung galaxy tab 7.7 instead and put CM9 on it, so much happier that I get deep deep blacks and can use it in landscape mode as well. Overall it is a much better tablet, I actually prefer watching movies on it than my 46inch Bravia TV :laugh: Its a very surreal experience, you have to see it to truly understand how amazing it looks

kezown83 said:
The washed out screen was too much for me. I own the galaxy nexus and going from a super AMOLED screen to IPS was very jarring. The light bleeding on the Nexus 7 was pretty bad too, and when you touch the screen you get the 'air pocket' effect. The panel is definitely the worst thing about the device. I got the Samsung galaxy tab 7.7 instead and put CM9 on it, so much happier that I get deep deep blacks and can use it in landscape mode as well. Overall it is a much better tablet, I actually prefer watching movies on it than my 46inch Bravia TV :laugh: Its a very surreal experience, you have to see it to truly understand how amazing it looks
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Mine looks amazing, I think you just got a bad device.

I personally love mine. The screen doesn't blow me away but it isn't bad at all. I would appreciate the screen more if I didn't own a One X
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Same for me, if I didn't own a HTC One X, this would be the best screen I've owned on an android device.
But the fact I have a Motorola Xoom too, my Nexus 7 screen is much better!
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N7 screen is in fact a bit dull and washed out, especially on lower brightness (the fact that automatic backlight is calibrated as pretty dim does not help either).
The colours are much, much less vibrant as on my One X (but this phone has really got a top-end gorgeous screen).
However, screen on N7 is noticeably better than on Motorola Xoom in terms of color reproduction and viewing angles.

aszu said:
N7 screen is in fact a bit dull and washed out, especially on lower brightness (the fact that automatic backlight is calibrated as pretty dim does not help either).
The colours are much, much less vibrant as on my One X (but this phone has really got a top-end gorgeous screen).
However, screen on N7 is noticeably better than on Motorola Xoom in terms of color reproduction and viewing angles.
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Ok, I'll agree here on auto brightness.
It was also too dull & washed out for me.
However, 50% fixed brightness is actually very bright and makes the colours great in my opinion.
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Are colors better on tab 2 7.0?

Nexus 7 has no green
Two things I've noticed about my screen so far, that makes me wonder if we're dealing with defective screens rather than just plain poor quality ones.
First, load an app or picture onto the device that just displays pure 0,0,255 green (if you search for 'dead pixel' I think the first or second app has options to display a solid colour). I find my Nexus is completely unable to display the green properly, instead showing an extremely washed out pastel shade. I've tested this with red and blue and neither of those suffer anything like the same issue as green does. This might be what is contributing to the weird washed out/off-colour look.
Second, this is purely anecdotal, but it seems like the brightness setting of the Nexus is purely software after around the halfway mark. You can easily see the backlight ramping up from 0-50% but beyond that just seems to be a gamma change, which doesn't brighten the screen at all and instead just washes it out further.
If anyone could follow up on these and post their own tests we might be able to get a better idea of where the real issues with this tablet lie. Or whether mine is just a little bit more broken than everyone else's.

californiarailroader said:
Mine looks amazing, I think you just got a bad device.
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I didn't have a bad device, I had a problem with the IPS technology used in the Nexus 7. If you compare a Super AMOLED plus screen to IPS it looks washed out, and the blacks are pretty poor...Also, you will always get a little bit of light bleeding because of the technology.

kezown83 said:
I didn't have a bad device, I had a problem with the IPS technology used in the Nexus 7. If you compare a Super AMOLED plus screen to IPS it looks washed out, and the blacks are pretty poor...Also, you will always get a little bit of light bleeding because of the technology.
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Well, mine still looks amazing. I have a Super AMOLED Plus screen on my Galaxy Note, this looks pretty darn close.

Montpelier said:
First, load an app or picture onto the device that just displays pure 0,0,255 green (if you search for 'dead pixel' I think the first or second app has options to display a solid colour). I find my Nexus is completely unable to display the green properly, instead showing an extremely washed out pastel shade. I've tested this with red and blue and neither of those suffer anything like the same issue as green does. This might be what is contributing to the weird washed out/off-colour look.
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That's normal.

The "Supposed" washed out screen on the N5

For those saying the N5 has a washed out screen i advise you to watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlNcuBcnnoU
The N5 has a top notch screen, the viewing angles are abit off but the actual quality is amazing! It clearly outclasses the Xperia Z1, a £450+ phone which only got released recently, and the screen on that is meant to be an improvement on its predecessor the Z1, I feel sorry for the people who bought that O.O

GalaxySN00B:0 said:
For those saying the N5 has a washed out screen i advise you to watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlNcuBcnnoU
The N5 has a top notch screen, the viewing angles are abit off but the actual quality is amazing! It clearly outclasses the Xperia Z1, a £450+ phone which only got released recently, and the screen on that is meant to be an improvement on its predecessor the Z1, I feel sorry for the people who bought that O.O
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To say that the N5's screen is great because it's better than the Z1's isn't saying a whole lot. That's like calling yourself fast bc you're only the 3 slowest kid in gym class. I've had both phones and still currently have my N5. I do find the N5 screen to be dull compared to most phones I've used and compared. That being said, as you raise the brightness the screen does look much nicer. It seems the brightness levels have more to do with it than the actual quality of the screen. The Z1 is a great phone but one plagued by terrible viewing angles. The screen which is still quite nice, isn't the best part of the phone so I wouldn't use it as a base of comparison to build up the N5's screen. I don't put a lot of weight into those "complaint threads" because the phone costs $349-$400, for what you pay you get a pretty good phone.
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A lot of people confuse over saturation as a nice screen and natural as dull. Since you can't really test the difference on a phone, if your TV has a standard or vivid mode then throw it on that. Then throw the TV into movie mode. It would look dull at first but that is the closest picture to a calibrated level you will get out of the box. Once your eyes adjust to that picture, then try going back to standard mode. You will never be able to watch an over saturated fake picture again.
Look at the picture in a movie theater, you can call that dull as well but these is what natural and real life look like.
Now, if they boosted up the contrast, that would improve the screen.

looks like we need someone with calibration equipment to do some testing. i mean compared to a samsung with whatever the latest iteration of amoled screen most do look dull. that doesn't mean the samsung is better. samsung tends to artificailly over saturate the colors and they usually have a high color temp and sometimes a green tint.
any photographers or printers out there willing to test the screen?

Dani897 said:
looks like we need someone with calibration equipment to do some testing. i mean compared to a samsung with whatever the latest iteration of amoled screen most do look dull. that doesn't mean the samsung is better. samsung tends to artificailly over saturate the colors and they usually have a high color temp and sometimes a green tint.
any photographers or printers out there willing to test the screen?
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I'm really looking forward to the inevitable Anandtech review of this phone. Their reviews are almost absurdly detailed and they have lots of great, objective data.

Next to my Moto X and Note 3, my Nexus 5 DOES look washed out. That's the AMOLED effect.
I compared it to both my Nexus 7 and iPad Air and it looks almost identical. Almost every review I have seen claims that it is "washed out", but I'm beginning to think it's just a color neutral LCD screen.
Angeloftech (check out her youtube channel) does some very extensive screen tests in her reviews and talks about the calibration and what the numbers mean. She hasn't released her Nexus 5 review yet, but I suspect it's due any day. That will give us a little better indication of what this screen is about. For example, she called out the LG G2 as being oversaturated and nowhere near accurate. That screen looks great to me, but the tests don't lie. I think we have just become accustomed to oversaturated screens and it's skewing our perspective a little.

The colours are fine it's the white balance that's off it's too warm.

greyhulk said:
Next to my Moto X and Note 3, my Nexus 5 DOES look washed out. That's the AMOLED effect.
I compared it to both my Nexus 7 and iPad Air and it looks almost identical. Almost every review I have seen claims that it is "washed out", but I'm beginning to think it's just a color neutral LCD screen.
Angeloftech (check out her youtube channel) does some very extensive screen tests in her reviews and talks about the calibration and what the numbers mean. She hasn't released her Nexus 5 review yet, but I suspect it's due any day. That will give us a little better indication of what this screen is about. For example, she called out the LG G2 as being oversaturated and nowhere near accurate. That screen looks great to me, but the tests don't lie. I think we have just become accustomed to oversaturated screens and it's skewing our perspective a little.
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You can have a "natural" colors and still have a "dull" or washed out screen. This isn't simply a case of AMOLED over saturation vs N5 and it's "natural" colors. My HTC Butterfly to me has the best screen I've seen. Mind you I own a 5S, Note 3, Butterfly S and N5 all currently. Its color reproduction, saturation, viewing angles and clarity to me best the others. The N5's colors are closer to "natural " then AMOLEDS however that being said is still on the dull side. The note has a clear, bright screen and tends to have improved the cartoonish saturation effect especially when in Movie Mode. Overall I think the N5's screen is OK but not my favorite.
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Her reviews make many of the big boys look like novice fanboys. She does in depth testing with LOTS of real world use reports. She takes the time to actually use these things and not be the first out the door with a review. Most importantly, she will put the screen under a scope so we can see what is going on. The nexus 5 screen to me looks amazing, very reminiscent of the calibration apple uses. Compared o the broken calibration that was the nexus 4, I think it is great.
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Nexus 5 is coming with 2 different panels
There are users who ordered 2 phones and these are different screen, one of them washed colors and yellow whites and the other is more cold and real whites like nexus 4
I prefer nexus 4 cause white is real white not sepia
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fjavierm said:
Nexus 5 is coming with 2 different panels
There are users who ordered 2 phones and these are different screen, one of them washed colors and yellow whites and the other is more cold and real whites like nexus 4
I prefer nexus 4 cause white is real white not sepia
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This wouldn't entirely surprise me. I've been scratching my heads about the threads about the yellow whites. I believe some people are experiencing it, especially since people have provided pictures. The white on my phone is a neutral or slightly cool white.

No yellow colors here. my xperia t has a more yellowish screen + is washed out a lot more

As far as I have used this device for a week, it seems color temperature is a bit too high. I hope there will be some kernels that has color temperature options.

Dani897 said:
looks like we need someone with calibration equipment to do some testing. i mean compared to a samsung with whatever the latest iteration of amoled screen most do look dull. that doesn't mean the samsung is better. samsung tends to artificailly over saturate the colors and they usually have a high color temp and sometimes a green tint.
any photographers or printers out there willing to test the screen?
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There was already a calibration test done. There is a link somewhere in one of these threads. It tested that the N5 had the closest colors to reference out of all the phones they tested. Maybe someone will find the link and post it here. They also tested brightness and contrast.
It was the contest that is scored towards the bottom of all the phones they tested.

greyhulk said:
Next to my Moto X and Note 3, my Nexus 5 DOES look washed out. That's the AMOLED effect.
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Exactly. You can't go comparing Amoled against ISP. There two totally different technologies. When I compare the N5 to other ISP phones mine looks pretty damn good. Like any LCD though I will calibrate it to my taste once the kernels allow for that. This whole thread is literally "in the eye of the beholder."

I've seen 2 different Nexus 5 units here in Canada (at Virgin Mobile kiosks) and in both cases the colors were accurate and very good, though the
whites are a slight bit on the yellowish/warm side. Compared to an iPhone 5S, the whites on the 5S are brighter and cooler.
Well, the good news is that franco kernel is well under development (according to the original nexus development thread) and once it's complete, we should be able to use his app (Display Control) to calibrate the screen if we want to.

Here are a couple of tests run on the N5 and some other flagships and the results. Link pulled from another thread here.
http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...s-schermkwaliteit-scherp-en-dik-in-orde.html

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Here are a couple of tests run on the N5 and some other flagships and the results. Link pulled from another thread here.
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//tweakers.net/reviews/3298/7/google-nexus-5-toptelefoon-met-scherpe-prijs-schermkwaliteit-scherp-en-dik-in-orde.html%0A
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Lol I read the article and wondered why it was written in English but read like the auther was drunk until I saw the web address and saw translate. Good read though, points are easily understood and sum up the comments of most.
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i think comparing the Z1 to N5 isnt fair anyway.
So what if the screen on the N5 is technically better? I've used both and...i didnt think the Z1 screen was that bad really. And viewing angles?
How many people use a personal device tilted to the sides? Most people are going to be looking straight at the thing when they're using it, 100% for me, it's a personal device and i'd be rather happy if others couldnt see whats on the screen.
And also "the Xperia Z1, a £450+ phone which only got released recently, and the screen on that is meant to be an improvement on its predecessor the Z1, I feel sorry for the people who bought that O.O"
really.
Feel sorry for the people who bought a very solid and well build phone?
Feel sorry for the people who dont have rattling buttons?
Feel sorry for the people who can happily drop it down a toilet and still have a functioning phone?
Feel sorry for the people who have a camera that's superbly better than the nexus 5?
Well done there mate.

Screen color tweaks

Hello!
At the moment, I own an LG Nexus 4 but I think it's time to move on. The Nexus 5 isn't very attractive to me and the Bamboo Moto X really tickles my fancy. My wife has a Moto X and it's so smooth, but I only have one concern. The screen has this yellow-ish tint to it. Yes yes I know that it's AMOLED, but on my old AMOLED device I had the ability to switch colors (Galaxy SIII). On the Nexus 4 also, but I wanted to know if there's any possible way I can tweak the colors on this device. That yellow tint just bothers me, especially when opening Chrome, I could get used to it, but I plan on rooting my Moto X and I was just curious if anyone is aware of methods to change the screen colors to be, you know, not so warm.

No yellowish tint here. My RAZR seemed to have a slightly yellowish tint but this one seems more reminiscent of my GNex which was a much cooler tint where greys looked purple at certain brightness settings.
Generally I believe to alter the screen colors requires a custom kernel. Faux and I *think* lean kernel had that ability on the GNex. There's only one custom kernel for the MX and I don't think it allows you to alter the screen tint.
I'm not sure, but maybe the optimization of the cores and low power cores is keeping developers from producing custom kernels, but that's just a guess.

Coming myself from a Nexus 4 I did immediately notice the different hues in the screen color, and I wasn't such a fan of it, but after a week I found that I actually prefer the AMOLED display of the Moto X. I understand your concern, however I don't notice any yellow tinge to the screen.
Overall the AMOLED screen truly is beautiful so I don't think you need to worry too much. The contrast and the darks look amazing. Obviously not 1080p but amazing none the less.
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First off, I find the MotoX to have the best calibrated AMOLED manufactured screen I've seen. The yellow you're talking about, unless your wife phone have a poorly calibrated one, I find mine to be very close to 6500K in temperature, this is the ideal value. The white level is very good , just slightly warm. I also like that the screen is only a little saturated and not over blown like other AMOLED screens making them totally unrealistic.
If you are used to blue tint displays, that is not the correct color calibration, but you can find that in a lot of LCD type screens.
As for tweaking the display colors, you're going to have to hope for something like a Faux kernel, I'm not sure it's going to happen. Seems like the Moto G is much more developer friendly.
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I noticed this as well, I have a G2 with an LCD and compared it to the Moto X and while my G2 had white whites, the Moto X had yellow whites. If there is no way to fix it, I'm hoping that I'll slowly adjust to it.

[Q] Moto X White and Gray "rectangles" on the screen.

After some time with the Moto X I start now to see some bad coloring on the screen I don't know how to explain but a blank page on chrome for example, I can notice little rectangles in what should be plain white like inside that rectangle color changes a little bit to a bit darker or a bit lighter compared to the rectangles around.
just I notice it ? Is it a flaw of the amoled tech or what ? (the effect is less visible with brightness on maximum and almost not visible on vibrant colors, but pretty noticeable on white and gray)

I absolutely see it, while I was browsing on Chrome today noticed it for the first time. On light background it's extremely annoying, and bad. I don't know if they are rectangles or not, but on mine there are horizontal vertical lines all over the panel. Yes it won't be visible on colourful images / background but not every background is like that, nor should be.
This is not a very good Samsung panel Moto chose here. With the kind of obsession I have about displays I don't know, this might become a deal breaker. Sad
PS : The easiest way to notice if your phone has same kind of annoyance or not is to just zoom in in a grey or white area of a webpage, keep the brightness at auto or at 50% and then fix your eye at one certain point of the X's screen and then scroll that white area of the page vertically, and keep doing that for about 15-20 seconds, it should be easily noticeable then.

devilsdouble said:
I absolutely see it, while I was browsing on Chrome today noticed it for the first time. On light background it's extremely annoying, and bad. I don't know if they are rectangles or not, but on mine there are horizontal vertical lines all over the panel. Yes it won't be visible on colourful images / background but not every background is like that, nor should be.
This is not a very good Samsung panel Moto chose here. With the kind of obsession I have about displays I don't know, this might become a deal breaker. Sad
PS : The easiest way to notice if your phone has same kind of annoyance or not is to just zoom in in a grey or white area of a webpage, keep the brightness at auto or at 50% and then fix your eye at one certain point of the X's screen and then scroll that white area of the page vertically, and keep doing that for about 15-20 seconds, it should be easily noticeable then.
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After a little research I discovered that this is a flaw of the AMOLED technology more specifically of the Pentile Matrix of Samsung's Note 2 (that is the same as in the Moto X), the effect is pretty noticeable on white/gray/light blue and dark green :/ Is just sad that Motorola chose a so poor screen tech on high end smartphone...

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After a little research I discovered that this is a flaw of the AMOLED technology more specifically of the Pentile Matrix of Samsung's Note 2 (that is the same as in the Moto X), the effect is pretty noticeable on white/gray/light blue and dark green :/ Is just sad that Motorola chose a so poor screen tech on high end smartphone...
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Well yeah. Had the Note 2 but don't really remember if it had the same problem or not. But Pentile was there on the S4 too and I am quite sure I didn't notice this on the S4, maybe because it had way better PPI, don't know.

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Well yeah. Had the Note 2 but don't really remember if it had the same problem or not. But Pentile was there on the S4 too and I am quite sure I didn't notice this on the S4, maybe because it had way better PPI, don't know.
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Check here: Page five of anandtech's review of the Moto X (I can't post any links sry)
Note 2 and the Moto X are exactly the same with non symmetrical pixels (both have the issues that we are talking about), the S4 has symmetrical pixels, might explain why it does not have.

Moto Maxx screen a little bit YELLOW-ISH??

well, someone told me and its true!
the Maxx / Droid screen is yellow if compared to others screens like Sony Z3...
there's an app that fix it, but when the app is running, you cannot install any apk file!! thats a shame!!
there's a way to fix that yellow tint screen without an app??

What app?
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It's just how the screen on the device is man. I've had two Turbos and both have a slight yellow hue to the whites. On mine, I only notice it when directly facing he screen but if I tilt it slightly to the right or left the colors are accurate. I have completely gotten used to it now and it doesn't bother me at all which is saying something because it's all I noticed at first. Just part of having an AMOLED screen.

Droid turbo has fantastic screen and z3's cold blue whites are no match to it. Be happy with what you got instead of comparing with inferior screens. Maybe this comparison with z3c would help you notice that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5fZvENv1-Q

Only in low bright, if you install cm 12 you can play with rgb

i was thinking about edit some build.prop settings, and correct that thing!...
thats annoying haha!!
anyway thanks...