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Is my charger junk?

I brought my 7 home Saturday at 33% charge, plopped down on the couch, plugged it in and started playing. The battery level slowly dropped. The charger WILL charge it, but only when it's idle and it seems slow as hell. I figured a 2A charger would have my Razr Maxx full in no time but in an hour it went from 40% to 50%. After completely draining my Nexus 7 I plugged it in and charged it at idle for 12 hours. When I looked this morning it was at 67%.
I'm assuming the charger is bad. I also have a different cable plugged in to it which I suppose I should try replacing first. But if this thing actually charges that slow I'd rather find out now than keep searching for a problem that doesn't exist.

Is it possible that your cable is an older one and can't handle the higher electric current? I read that this happened to people who used older cable to charge the Retina iPad as well. Don't know whether this is the reason.

The cable is one I got on ebay for $1. Entirely possible that's the problem. I'll try the OE cable tonight.

You should always use what the device shipped with. More than likely, that's the problem.
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Well, I can't very well "use" a 3' usb cable. I hope you don't think you should buy $100 hdmi cables, too.

Nope, but most devices don't ship with HDMI cables. I've bought cheap cables online, but if my phone or tablet came with one I surely use it.
I've heard and seen people messing up their devices or having weird problems (like yours) from using a different cable and/or charger plug. So I always use what it came with. So many little nuances .
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I definitely need a longer cable. Guess I'll just have to pony up for quality cables instead of these ones that ship from China.

qoncept said:
I definitely need a longer cable. Guess I'll just have to pony up for quality cables instead of these ones that ship from China.
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Non-sense. Go to monoprice.com and you can get plenty of dirt-cheap cables that get the job done just fine. It sounds like you're currently using a 2-pin micro-USB instead of a 4-pin. The extra 2 pins are for data, as well as high-power charging for devices that pull more than USB's standard 500mA.

nickmv said:
Non-sense. Go to monoprice.com and you can get plenty of dirt-cheap cables that get the job done just fine. It sounds like you're currently using a 2-pin micro-USB instead of a 4-pin. The extra 2 pins are for data, as well as high-power charging for devices that pull more than USB's standard 500mA.
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Doh.. I'll start by pulling out the multimeter when I get home. Or maybe just looking before I even bother with that.

Where's the high current POGO charger?

For cryin' out loud, I'm tired of watching my battery drain while plugged into the supplied USB charger. It's ridiculous. I've never owned a portable device that discharged under normal use when plugged into its supplied AC adapter. If I want to spend 15 hours a day playing Angry Birds, it should be possible when I have a power source which is virtually unlimited. Twice, I've started the day with a full battery, had the device plugged in to the supplied 2 amp charger all day, and had <10% left on the battery when I went to bed. (No, I don't actually play Angry Birds for more than a few minutes at a time but I do use the device a lot.)

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For cryin' out loud, I'm tired of watching my battery drain while plugged into the supplied USB charger. It's ridiculous. I've never owned a portable device that discharged under normal use when plugged into its supplied AC adapter. If I want to spend 15 hours a day playing Angry Birds, it should be possible when I have a power source which is virtually unlimited. Twice, I've started the day with a full battery, had the device plugged in to the supplied 2 amp charger all day, and had <10% left on the battery when I went to bed. (No, I don't actually play Angry Birds for more than a few minutes at a time but I do use the device a lot.)
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I don't have that problem. You do know that your device will wait till it drops some percentage before it starts charging again. It won't keep it at 100% the whole time... Is meant to conserve your battery life

smartadmin said:
I don't have that problem. You do know that your device will wait till it drops some percentage before it starts charging again. It won't keep it at 100% the whole time... Is meant to conserve your battery life
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Let's pretend I've got just a little experience with portable devices. The standard is to float between 95 and 100% charge and just call it "charged" once it's bounced off 100% the first time.
Here's a test you can do that requires no time on your part. Set it up to play a long movie while it's plugged in. Look at the charge level after it's been going for a couple of hours. And you don't have to take my word for it. I'm hardly the only person complaining that the supplied charger is not capable of keeping up with the device's power requirements.

If you are seeing power drop during normal use while plugged in I'd talk to Google. You may have a defective unit. Mine doesn't do that and I regularly see 20+ hour days with normal use unplugged and usually with some video, browsing, games etc.
Take note off when you see the drop, how much you lose over a given amount off time and call Google and see if this is expected. I'm sure they will help. They have been very responsive when I've called.
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groaner said:
If you are seeing power drop during normal use while plugged in I'd talk to Google. You may have a defective unit. Mine doesn't do that and I regularly see 20+ hour days with normal use unplugged and usually with some video, browsing, games etc.
Take note off when you see the drop, how much you lose over a given amount off time and call Google and see if this is expected. I'm sure they will help. They have been very responsive when I've called.
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I will watch like 1 hour of Streaming Vid's and loose like 4-5% while plugged in.

100% brightness causes my device to use more power then what's being supplied from the wall charger, and a few other people have confirmed similar incidents as well.
Max your brightness, and then go play a 3D game, while being plugged into the wall charger, and watch the percentage drop still

My tablet lasts a few days at least before needing a charge. I plug it in over night and it charges to full. I couldn't be more happier with it considering it is not self-sufficient.

Mine drops a few % per hour in use with the stock charger connected. Brightness at 50%, WiFi on, BT off. I'm not going to whine about it, but its the only thing that's not great with this tab.
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Why do everyone seems to think that the POGO-charger would be able to charge the Nexus faster?
I've read on an Ipad forum that about 10-15 hours charging are normal (the Ipad 4 has a 42,5Wh battery), and their chargers give as much Watt as our Nexus chargers.
One thing is clear, you can't increase the voltage. That would kill your Nexus right away.
My Samsung charger I recieved with my Nexus 10 says 5V out and 2A.
5*2= 10W.
Isn't that the same rates that other tabs have, even if they got special chargers?
So, the only thing the POGO-charger could raise, is the amount of current.
Even if you had a 10A charger, if the Nexus cant use more than 2A, it wouldn't get anymore amps than 2.
If the kernel on the Nexus doesn't support any higher charger rates, then you cant change anything.
There is a reason why the manufacturers have set 5V as standard - to make it work together with USB.
Battery Specs: Samsung Li-Ion 3.75V 22.75Wh 9000 mah.
So, it's easy. If you had a 1W charger, it would take 22,75 hours to get a fully charged battery.
In theory, it should take 2,75 hours to fully charge the Nexus 10 battery, but we don't turn it off, we use it while charging, it uses background sync and I dont know what the efficiency rating is on the charger or the Nexus.
You know you could feel some heat on the back of the Nexus 10 after some usage?
That's some of the battery's energy that spoils into heat, meaning that there are power losses.
It's normal though, we don't have anything yet on earth that could convert 100% energy from one form to another.
You could compare it to a car, you need a cooler-system to remove the excessive heat from the engine.
Even if your Nexus is far more efficient.

Olaeli said:
Why do everyone seems to think that the POGO-charger would be able to charge the Nexus faster?
I've read on an Ipad forum that about 10-15 hours charging are normal (the Ipad 4 has a 42,5Wh battery), and their chargers give as much Watt as our Nexus chargers.
One thing is clear, you can't increase the voltage. That would kill your Nexus right away.
My Samsung charger I recieved with my Nexus 10 says 5V out and 2A.
So, the only thing the POGO-charger could raise, is the amount of current.
Even if you had a 10A charger, if the Nexus cant use more than 2A, it wouldn't get anymore amps than 2.
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Please do not speculate about how much current can go through the pogo connection. Speculation is worthless and helps nobody. The fact that the included charger only puts out 2 amps probably has to do with limitations of the USB connection. But I'm speculating. See how pointless that is? The fact that one connection is limited to 2 amps doesn't mean all power connections are limited to 2 amps.
And where did I say anything about increasing the voltage? I'm not an idiot and didn't suggest such a stupid thing.
As for temperature, that can easily be monitored during charging and the current can be reduced if it gets too high. You are aware that there is a temperature sensor for the battery, right?
None of which has a darn thing to do with my opinion that it's unacceptable to produce a device that uses more power than it can get from its AC adapter. If there really is no way to run the Nexus 10 at full tilt without supplementing the AC adapter with battery power, Samsung should have addressed that problem before going into production with this unit. This isn't a $150 entry level device. It's the Android flagship.

Olaeli said:
Why do everyone seems to think that the POGO-charger would be able to charge the Nexus faster?
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A person that supposedly has said charger mentioned that it seemed to charge faster.

jtown said:
Please do not speculate about how much current can go through the pogo connection. Speculation is worthless and helps nobody. The fact that the included charger only puts out 2 amps probably has to do with limitations of the USB connection. But I'm speculating. See how pointless that is? The fact that one connection is limited to 2 amps doesn't mean all power connections are limited to 2 amps.
And where did I say anything about increasing the voltage? I'm not an idiot and didn't suggest such a stupid thing.
As for temperature, that can easily be monitored during charging and the current can be reduced if it gets too high. You are aware that there is a temperature sensor for the battery, right?
None of which has a darn thing to do with my opinion that it's unacceptable to produce a device that uses more power than it can get from its AC adapter. If there really is no way to run the Nexus 10 at full tilt without supplementing the AC adapter with battery power, Samsung should have addressed that problem before going into production with this unit. This isn't a $150 entry level device. It's the Android flagship.
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Please, you started speculating about a high-current POGO-charger that doesn't exist.
Sure, you didn't mention the voltage, but I ve seen comments about it before, so I just wanted to make it clear.
And I didn't say the temperature was a problem either, just that it lowers the efficiency of the charger and the device.
Samsung maybe didn't know there was a charging problem.
We've seen examples before that manufacturers don't test their products enough.
(ASUS Transformer with encased aluminum body, anyone?)
And I know, this is supposed to be a flagship, but what everyone forgets is that it's much cheaper than other brands.
I was looking forward to buy a ASUS TF700 with keyboard at almost twice the price as the Nexus 10 before I read about the Nexus.
Even if it doesn't justify the charging problem, you could try to adapt to the circumstances until there's a solution.
When I'm low on battery, I let the device charge and do something else for a change.
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Edit: If you look at the pictures of the POGO-charger that's across the internet, the charger is still only 5V, 2A.

Olaeli said:
Please, you started speculating about a high-current POGO-charger that doesn't exist.
Sure, you didn't mention the voltage, but I ve seen comments about it before, so I just wanted to make it clear.
And I didn't say the temperature was a problem either, just that it lowers the efficiency of the charger and the device.
Samsung maybe didn't know there was a charging problem.
We've seen examples before that manufacturers don't test their products enough.
(ASUS Transformer with encased aluminum body, anyone?)
And I know, this is supposed to be a flagship, but what everyone forgets is that it's much cheaper than other brands.
I was looking forward to buy a ASUS TF700 with keyboard at almost twice the price as the Nexus 10 before I read about the Nexus.
Even if it doesn't justify the charging problem, you could try to adapt to the circumstances until there's a solution.
When I'm low on battery, I let the device charge and do something else for a change.
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Edit: If you look at the pictures of the POGO-charger that's across the internet, the charger is still only 5V, 2A.
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I have a nexus 10, nexus7, and a Tf700. I am noticing slightly faster charging on the n10 using the Tf700 ac adapter. The same is true when trying to charge my tf700. The stock samsung n10 ac adapter charges it slower than the asus transformer adapter. The same is true with my nexus 7 adapter. Ive used the n7 adapter to charge my tf700 and it was not as quick a charge. Meanwhile all 3 units are rated for 5v 2amp.

Olaeli said:
We've seen examples before that manufacturers don't test their products enough.
(ASUS Transformer with encased aluminum body, anyone?)
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I wonder what all they did test if they somehow managed to miss that...
joe1l said:
I have a nexus 10, nexus7, and a Tf700. I am noticing slightly faster charging on the n10 using the Tf700 ac adapter. The same is true when trying to charge my tf700. The stock samsung n10 ac adapter charges it slower than the asus transformer adapter. The same is true with my nexus 7 adapter. Ive used the n7 adapter to charge my tf700 and it was not as quick a charge. Meanwhile all 3 units are rated for 5v 2amp.
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Could be possible the N10 charger isn't actually putting out 2A? Might need a multimeter or something to verify for sure though...

I am currently out of town so keep in mind I didn't have a chance to dig too deep but I've given the kernel a quick look through.
There is no such thing as the "high current pogo charger." The pogo pins accept 2A max and appears to be ~5V. The USB connector has the same limits.
I also took a look at the current at the battery to make sure the charger was being detected correctly. My 1A Samsung non-Nexus 10 charger seems to supply ~900ma to the battery which is as much as you should expect out of a 1A charger. My Nexus 10 charger supplies ~1600ma to the battery. This number seems slightly low but at least indicates the charger is detected correctly.
*If* the pogo charger does indeed charge faster, it will likely be because the pogo charger is able to supply some current that is asymptotically closer to 2A. In other words, it will not charger much faster than the USB charger.
On the other hand, the pogo charger will still be nice to have as it will allow simultaneous usage of USB OTG and charging.
Like I said before, I was unable to dig very deep because I'm out of town and browsing sysfs and kernel source on a tablet isn't the best experience. So, the info I found might not be 100% correct.

dalingrin said:
There is no such thing as the "high current pogo charger." The pogo pins accept 2A max and appears to be ~5V.
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Please show some proof/references for this statement.

Valynor said:
Please show some proof/references for this statement.
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There are many indicators throughout the kernel but for brevity I'll post what I think is the most concise.
https://github.com/CyanogenMod/andr...ng/arch/arm/mach-exynos/board-manta-battery.c
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Sets the current to 500ma if USB is detected on the pogo or 2A if AC is detected.

Well if you're reading 1600ma using the standard ac adapter that comes with the N10 and possibly closer to 2000ma (say 1900ma) using the pogo, then that is 1/5 faster charging. In terms of time that is quite a saving.
Of course, that is all speculation

USB current limits
I thought I'd post this as information I found while doing a spot of light reading
The current specification of a USB 2.0 port can be a maximum of 1.8A. Within Constraints.
"Battery Charging Specification 1.1: Released in March 2007.
A usb charging port places a termination resistance between D+ and D- to allow the maximum 1.8A", meaning that at this current, there can be no data transmission.
This appears to be increased for USB 3.0 standard.
"Battery Charging Specification 1.2: Released in December 2010.
Several changes and increasing limits including allowing 1.5A on charging ports for unconfigured devices, allowing High Speed communication while having a current up to 1.5A and allowing a maximum current of 5A."
citations come from documents here:
http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs
As POGO pins do not have to follow any specification the only limit is the current the board & charging circuit can handle.

Look at the specs on the wall plug in unit. It's not a charger it's a 5V power supply and the charger is inside the N10. However the charger is setup determines the charging rate. Like mentioned above, it may not matter if you "could" use a 10A at 5V power supply.

USB car charger

I have a few of the belkin/off brand dual USB auto adapters. But they all have output of around 500mA so basically when using bluetooth and GPS on the rd I'm drawing more power than I'm getting. I've looked around on amazon for some usb adapters but seems like a lot of them for some reason only really fast charge with IPads or other apple devices and for some reason they slow charge android devices. Apparently iphones have some sort of communications with the chargers to draw more power.
So my question is does anyone have one or know of one that works with the G2 and fast charges. I'd prefer one that is flush like my existing belkin and not one that sticks out a few inches. Dual ports would be nice, but at this point I'm not picky. Having said that, I'd like to not spend $30 on it.

To add to it, I installed some battery monitor widget and while in the car today I just popped it open and noticed that it said "USB Connected Discharging" So basically It actually drains power quicker than if it wasn't connected to the charger at all!

mims1979 said:
I have a few of the belkin/off brand dual USB auto adapters. But they all have output of around 500mA so basically when using bluetooth and GPS on the rd I'm drawing more power than I'm getting. I've looked around on amazon for some usb adapters but seems like a lot of them for some reason only really fast charge with IPads or other apple devices and for some reason they slow charge android devices. Apparently iphones have some sort of communications with the chargers to draw more power.
So my question is does anyone have one or know of one that works with the G2 and fast charges. I'd prefer one that is flush like my existing belkin and not one that sticks out a few inches. Dual ports would be nice, but at this point I'm not picky. Having said that, I'd like to not spend $30 on it.
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There is a long thread on this already.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2454301
It seems that the bigger issue is not finding a 2amp charger, but a USB cable with the correct gauge similar to the oem one. I believe the oem cable is 20 gauge and I believe I found one on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/cr/B009Z94PV2/ref=mw_dp_cr

I don't get why it's such a difficult thing to find? Doesn't LG make a car charger that charges it's own phone?
I use my older Motorola ones and they work fine. Not full 2 amp but I can stream iheartradio or Pandora and the phone will charge up still. But the screen is off, not like using GPS. Still would like a fast charger tho.

I have an Anker 24w 2 port charger and it charges my phone as fast as the wall charger. I tested it with a charger doctor and it does read 1.8a current flowing thru.
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I got a charger made by rocket dog I do believe for best buy best car charger I've ever had and it has an extra usb on the top
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It's not the charger that seems to be the problem. 2a Chargers can be had in many places. It seems a 20 gauge wire is the difference.

Here is a link to a post I made in another thread with a tested and working setup in my car
Cheap too.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50053524&postcount=229

No, the problem is the op isn't using a charger designed for Android.

Qi Issues

Is anyone finding that their phone doesn't charge wirelessly? I tried a total of 4 devices, and 2 qi chargers last night and every device worked correctly for each charger except for the N6. I saw a MBKHD vid of how he couldn't get Qi working, but have seen other vids with people doing it no issue. Are there some defective devices out there or something?

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Is anyone finding that their phone doesn't charge wirelessly? I tried a total of 4 devices, and 2 qi chargers last night and every device worked correctly for each charger except for the N6. I saw a MBKHD vid of how he couldn't get Qi working, but have seen other vids with people doing it no issue. Are there some defective devices out there or something?
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My Nexus 5 charger works but the 6 has to be placed just so to get it to charge. The coil seems to be south of the phones equator.

Birdsfan said:
My Nexus 5 charger works but the 6 has to be placed just so to get it to charge. The coil seems to be south of the phones equator.
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I tried that charger and another one. Held it to the back with my hand, and slowly started sliding it all over the back of the phone to attempt to find a sweet spot. It never worked for me. :crying:

I found the nexus 5 charger very difficult, and it will not charge with the Motorola turbo charging block powering it. You need to use a regular AC/DC adapter.
The Nexus 4 Orb charger works fairly well, you need to be a little careful with placement but surgical like precision is not necessary. I would not buy this charger for the n6, but since I have it I will use it at work.
I did buy a Nokia dt-910 last night. This charger is supposed to work well with the n6.
-Rob

robber said:
I found the nexus 5 charger very difficult, and it will not charge with the Motorola turbo charging block powering it. You need to use a regular AC/DC adapter.
The Nexus 4 Orb charger works fairly well, you need to be a little careful with placement but surgical like precision is not necessary. I would not buy this charger for the n6, but since I have it I will use it at work.
I did buy a Nokia dt-910 last night. This charger is supposed to work well with the n6.
-Rob
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If I remember right, the Nexus Wireless Charger requires a 1.8A supply, and the Turbo charger is only 1.6A. That may be one issue. Another is that I'm pretty sure the Nexus charger determines the source type the same way Android phones do. In other words, it requires that the data pins be shorted together (otherwise, it assumes you're connected to a 500mA computer USB port). Use a standard "power only" cable (which doesn't have data wires at all), and it won't work. In either case... even when it does work, it's probably the worst charger for the N6. It was really designed to use those magnets for proper alignment, and without them, the N6, which has to be placed off-center, tends to fall off.
The Nokia DT-910 is probably one of the best chargers for the N6. Its only downfall is that it's a lower-amperage charger (I'm not at home to check, but I want to say 900mA-ish.) Still charges the N6 in a few hours though, so I've never really had an issue there.

robber said:
I found the nexus 5 charger very difficult, and it will not charge with the Motorola turbo charging block powering it. You need to use a regular AC/DC adapter.
The Nexus 4 Orb charger works fairly well, you need to be a little careful with placement but surgical like precision is not necessary. I would not buy this charger for the n6, but since I have it I will use it at work.
I did buy a Nokia dt-910 last night. This charger is supposed to work well with the n6.
-Rob
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I tried different cords, power blocks, and I even have a wall outlet in my house that has USB ports directly into the power.

My old wireless orb and a Zens charger seem to work fine. Maybe a tad warm when I pick up from charger.

Nexus 4 orb seems to work, although it's hard to balance the phone.

Just received my new LG Nexus 5x. I need some advice

I'm currently having some battery life issues with my Nexus 5x due probably to updates and heavy usage since I just got it. I know there is some controversy regarding what Type-C chargers and cables actually allow for the Nexus 5 to rapidly charge.
Does any one else on the XDA community had any advice past history with good chargers/cables as well as power banks? I primarily want to buy these products on Amazon so I can get them with Prime shipping

TechMadeSimple said:
I'm currently having some battery life issues with my Nexus 5x due probably to updates and heavy usage since I just got it. I know there is some controversy regarding what Type-C chargers and cables actually allow for the Nexus 5 to rapidly charge.
Does any one else on the XDA community had any advice past history with good chargers/cables as well as power banks? I primarily want to buy these products on Amazon so I can get them with Prime shipping
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Basically anything by Anker is a solid call. You can get their products on Amazon. Well-made, quality products from a company formed by a group of friends that worked at Google. Just remember, the Nexus 5X is not QC 3.0 compatible. It's capable of charging speeds up to 3000mAh but there are tons of factors that affect charging speed like CPU temp, battery temp, etc.

Alcolawl said:
Basically anything by Anker is a solid call. You can get their products on Amazon. Well-made, quality products from a company formed by a group of friends that worked at Google. Just remember, the Nexus 5X is not QC 3.0 compatible. It's capable of charging speeds up to 3000mAh but there are tons of factors that affect charging speed like CPU temp, battery temp, etc.
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Thank you for your help with this. This seems like a pretty solid advice so far!

TechMadeSimple said:
Thank you for your help with this. This seems like a pretty solid advice so far!
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I definitely agree with the other person that Anker is your best bet. I currently have 4 Anker cables and I abosolutely love them! I would recommend you get a 10 ft Micro USB cable from anker and then get a micro usb to usb-c adapter from Aukey and you're set! That's what I am using now and haven't had any issues!!

I just got a 10ft type c braided cable from Amazon... Will my Qualcomm quick charge 2.0 base still work for rapid charge or do I need to get an additional charger?
A link would be really helpful if any one had a particular one in mind :good:

TechMadeSimple said:
I just got a 10ft type c braided cable from Amazon... Will my Qualcomm quick charge 2.0 base still work for rapid charge or do I need to get an additional charger?
A link would be really helpful if any one had a particular one in mind :good:
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It'll work but it'll charge at the rate the phone prefers. Probably something close to like 1800 mAh. Any charger will work, it's the speed that matters. You can usually look on the small print of the charger and figure out how fast your phone can potential charge depending on the voltage pulled from the wall.
This charger will work well if you have a USB-C to USB-C cable.
Although I'd probably just recommend something like this charger so you can charge multiple devices with almost any cable. Especially with friends that always seem to forget their wall chargers.

TechMadeSimple said:
I'm currently having some battery life issues with my Nexus 5x due probably to updates and heavy usage since I just got it. I know there is some controversy regarding what Type-C chargers and cables actually allow for the Nexus 5 to rapidly charge.
Does any one else on the XDA community had any advice past history with good chargers/cables as well as power banks? I primarily want to buy these products on Amazon so I can get them with Prime shipping
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Without you telling us what issues you're facing, we can't really tell you much.