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How to downgrade bootloader 4.4.2 > 4.4? I'm at limbo!

Hello folks.
I'm on a bit of a limbo. Can you help me?
Fist of all i should state that i was a former Galaxy S3 owner, so even if I have some experience with the underworld of rooting and flashing, bootloader issues are a bit alien for me.
The problem:
My Brazilian Moto X with unlocked bootloader was on 4.4, and after receiving the OTA update, i thought that i could update it if I removed root and etc (after all i was not using Xposed and ETC, so no deep modifications at /system that i know).
Of course i was wrong, and as greeted with a nice bootloop by my moto X. No problem, I got the 4.4.2 UK and flashed it thought RSD lite. After the flashing, I dit not liked the modifications the UK 4.4.2 retail have (like carrier name on bar, etc etc) and just flashed Philz and recovered my nandroid.
All is nice, but now i can't update to 4.4.2 Brazilian because i can't install 4.4 Retail Brazilian trought RSD lite, since the Moto X just detects that it haves 4.4.2 bootloader and not let me downgrade! I'm in a Limbo \o/
What now? There is any way to downgrade the bootloader? There is any one who have a full Brazilian 4.4.2 image (or a image without carrier name on the bar) for unlocked bootloaders? Any 4.4.2 flashable update using CWM or TWRP?
Oh god, so many questions. Thanks for your atention!

brunodmjr said:
Hello folks.
I'm on a bit of a limbo. Can you help me?
Fist of all i should state that i was a former Galaxy S3 owner, so even if I have some experience with the underworld of rooting and flashing, bootloader issues are a bit alien for me.
The problem:
My Brazilian Moto X with unlocked bootloader was on 4.4, and after receiving the OTA update, i thought that i could update it if I removed root and etc (after all i was not using Xposed and ETC, so no deep modifications at /system that i know).
Of course i was wrong, and as greeted with a nice bootloop by my moto X. No problem, I got the 4.4.2 UK and flashed it thought RSD lite. After the flashing, I dit not liked the modifications the UK 4.4.2 retail have (like carrier name on bar, etc etc) and just flashed Philz and recovered my nandroid.
All is nice, but now i can't update to 4.4.2 Brazilian because i can't install 4.4 Retail Brazilian trought RSD lite, since the Moto X just detects that it haves 4.4.2 bootloader and not let me downgrade! I'm in a Limbo \o/
What now? There is any way to downgrade the bootloader? There is any one who have a full Brazilian 4.4.2 image (or a image without carrier name on the bar) for unlocked bootloaders? Any 4.4.2 flashable update using CWM or TWRP?
Oh god, so many questions. Thanks for your atention!
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you can't downgrade the bootlaoder sorry
as for the carrier name in the bar someone will make a xposed mod to remove it.
i would either stay with 4.4 if that makes you happy or flash the correct 4.4.2 firmware for your device and tweak it to your liking.

Unfortunately you cannot downgrade the bootloader from 4.4.2 to 4.4.

Is it so dificult to do a 4.4.2 flashable update or we just lack devs?

brunodmjr said:
Is it so dificult to do a 4.4.2 flashable update or we just lack devs?
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If you find the factory 4.4.2 image for your device, then you manually flash the 4.4.2 files.

Mr. Orange 645 said:
If you find the factory 4.4.2 image for your device, then you manually flash the 4.4.2 files.
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I can only find the UK one. There is no 4.4.2 factory image for Brazilian Moto X, and i really don't want to install Xposed to remove the carrier name from the bar, since i play Square Enix titles.

brunodmjr said:
I can only find the UK one. There is no 4.4.2 factory image for Brazilian Moto X, and i really don't want to install Xposed to remove the carrier name from the bar, since i play Square Enix titles.
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Well...then you are at an impasse. Sorry.

Mr. Orange 645 said:
Well...then you are at an impasse. Sorry.
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So bad. Know any way to convert the OTA update to a CWM flashable zip? Any guide or something?

brunodmjr said:
So bad. Know any way to convert the OTA update to a CWM flashable zip? Any guide or something?
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No. I, like you, depend on the hard work of developers here for that kind of thing.

Mr. Orange 645 said:
No. I, like you, depend on the hard work of developers here for that kind of thing.
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I'm a dev too. Let's research.

The full image will probably be available in a few days to a week, so you should probably just wait for it since your phone is working.

Boot loaders are number differently that's why everyone who has flash, or just about everyone who has flashed a new firmware has had issue evedn though the firmwares are 4.4.2, morale . Flash only your specific carrier firmware and all this craziness would stop, my 2 cents
Sent on my Lenoto A2109 tablet

flashallthetime said:
Boot loaders are number differently that's why everyone who has flash, or just about everyone who has flashed a new firmware has had issue evedn though the firmwares are 4.4.2, morale . Flash only your specific carrier firmware and all this craziness would stop, my 2 cents
Sent on my Lenoto A2109 tablet
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It certainly seems Motorola has changed the game with 4.4.2, flashing other carriers firmware at this time seems quite risky. As you said I wouldn't recommend it right now until more is known and all full flash images of 4.4.2 are released.

Steve-x said:
It certainly seems Motorola has changed the game with 4.4.2, flashing other carriers firmware at this time seems quite risky. As you said I wouldn't recommend it right now until more is known and all full flash images of 4.4.2 are released.
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Someone should start a thread with all info and have it stickied, getting stupid here, miss info, assuming have a unlocked boot loader will prevent hard bricks.
Sent on my Lenoto A2109 tablet

flashallthetime said:
Boot loaders are number differently that's why everyone who has flash, or just about everyone who has flashed a new firmware has had issue evedn though the firmwares are 4.4.2, morale . Flash only your specific carrier firmware and all this craziness would stop, my 2 cents
Sent on my Lenoto A2109 tablet
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OP's issue was that he wanted to downgrade to 4.2 -- not that he was trying to change the carrier version of the 4.4.2 bootloader. Are there any threads about someone having an issue trying to flash a different carrier's version of 4.4.2?

piccit said:
OP's issue was that he wanted to downgrade to 4.2 -- not that he was trying to change the carrier version of the 4.4.2 bootloader. Are there any threads about someone having an issue trying to flash a different carrier's version of 4.4.2?
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Threads no but multiple threads about issues, stay away from flashing another carriers 4.4.2 firmware at this point in time, I'm trying to get boot loader numbers for all carrier firmware , so far all north american and south american boot loaders are the same but T-Mobile and AT&T have yet to be released, European boot loaders are not yet posted
Sent on my Lenoto A2109 tablet

Every issue that I've read about is from people trying to downgrade. I haven't seen anyone have an issue about trying to side-grade

piccit said:
Every issue that I've read about is from people trying to downgrade. I haven't seen anyone have an issue about trying to side-grade
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Boot loaders numbers are different
Sent on my Gummy running Lenoto X

That's the risk of being impatient and flashing things in a hurry when they drop....that weren't made for our particular phone.
Remember ...good things come to those who wait.......and bad things for those who are too impatient.
Sent from my Moto X cellular telephone...

Just find the Brazilian full 4.4.2 file and rsdlite it or mfastboot flash. I believe it was floating around somewhere.
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Root for 4.4.2 GSM Developer Editiln

For some reason I can't find a sure answer or How-To on rooting 4.4.2 for my GSM DE on T-Mobile. Someone point me in the right direction. This 4.4.2 update popup is getting really annoying.
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overthatscreen said:
For some reason I can't find a sure answer or How-To on rooting 4.4.2 for my GSM DE on T-Mobile. Someone point me in the right direction. This 4.4.2 update popup is getting really annoying.
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Is your bootloader unlocked? If so I am sure it will only be a matter of time before someone updates the TWRP custom recovery for a Moto X on 4.4.2.

The only way to root 4.4.2 is off your phone's bootloader is unlocked or can be unlocked.
There is no root for locked bootloader
Here is the process for unlocked bootloader
Unlock your bootloader
Install custom recovery
Flash SuperSU flashable zip
And your done
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dray_jr said:
Install custom recovery
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But can you use the version of TWRP that is for 4.4? Or has it been updated for 4.4.2? Don't the custom recoveries need to be updated for the new versions of the OS?

The same version of twrp works for 4.4 and 4.4.2.

So essentially the same steps that I performed for Rooting 4.4 applies to 4.4.2 ? I thought something would have changed, but I'll take your word for it.
And is it safe to assume my bootloader should stay unlocked since I already went through the root process with 4.4?
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overthatscreen said:
So essentially the same steps that I performed for Rooting 4.4 applies to 4.4.2 ? I thought something would have changed, but I'll take your word for it.
And is it safe to assume my bootloader should stay unlocked since I already went through the root process with 4.4?
Sent from my XT1053 using Tapatalk
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Yes and Yes. I also have a GSM Dev Edition with an Unlocked Bootloader and the same root method worked and the bootloader remained unlocked.

overthatscreen said:
So essentially the same steps that I performed for Rooting 4.4 applies to 4.4.2 ?
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It is always the same if your bootloader is unlocked in that you flash custom recovery and install a superuser. The only thing that would change is if the custom recovery changes for the new version of the OS or if the super user is updated.
I just outlined it all here:
How To Root Your Unlocked Moto X Running Kit Kat
overthatscreen said:
And is it safe to assume my bootloader should stay unlocked since I already went through the root process with 4.4?
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Going through the root process has nothing to do with unlocking your bootloader. Once unlocked, your bootloader will stay unlocked until you relock it.

Sounds good. I'll just reflash back to stock and update then root.
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Well I just got done flashing with the Moto X Restore Utility, updated to 4.4.2, flashed TWRP, and rooted.

Aw well. I was going to contribute that if you were annoyed by the 4.4.2 OTA constantly in your face: you can disable the MotorolaOTA system service.

Moto X VZW Dev stuck at bootloader warning screen

My Moto X won't boot, and it's 4.4.2 so the stock 4.4 image from Motorola won't flash. I get some type of gpt downgrade warning.
What can I do? I don't care about preserving data.
Thanks

fbiryujin said:
My Moto X won't boot, and it's 4.4.2 so the stock 4.4 image from Motorola won't flash. I get some type of gpt downgrade warning.
What can I do? I don't care about preserving data.
Thanks
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flash this 4.4.2 SBF file for verizon
http://sbf.droid-developers.org/download.php?device=0&file=841
enjoy

dray_jr said:
flash this 4.4.2 SBF file for verizon
http://sbf.droid-developers.org/download.php?device=0&file=841
enjoy
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Thanks. I will give that a shot tonight.

I don't understand why you believe you can't flash 4.4 over 4.4.2 with dev edition with an unlocked bootloader. That only applies to locked bootloaders.

nhizzat said:
I don't understand why you believe you can't flash 4.4 over 4.4.2 with dev edition with an unlocked bootloader. That only applies to locked bootloaders.
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sorry you are wrong there that applies to all Moto X's
you can not flash 4.4 before the bootloader will not downgrade you will get a error when it tries.
the only upside to having a unlocked bootloader is that you can root any version of android by just installed a custom recovery then installing the SuperSU flashable zip file.
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dray_jr said:
sorry you are wrong there that applies to all Moto X's
you can not flash 4.4 before the bootloader will not downgrade you will get a error when it tries.
the only upside to having a unlocked bootloader is that you can root any version of android by just installed a custom recovery then installing the SuperSU flashable zip file.
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You're right. The 4.4.2 bootloader can't be downgraded regardless of model.

nhizzat said:
You're right. The 4.4.2 bootloader can't be downgraded regardless of model.
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The 4.4.2 bootloader can't be downgraded; but I think the 4.4 system image and kernel could flashed just fine on an unlocked unit even if the bootloader has been upgraded for 4.4.2. You would need to flash the 4.4 manually so that it doesn't try and flash the 4.4 bootloader though.

jasoraso said:
The 4.4.2 bootloader can't be downgraded; but I think the 4.4 system image and kernel could flashed just fine on an unlocked unit even if the bootloader has been upgraded for 4.4.2. You would need to flash the 4.4 manually so that it doesn't try and flash the 4.4 bootloader though.
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This is what I had to wind up doing as the other image I had wouldn't flash. I edited the xml to skip the gpt and bootloader, and it flashed 4.4 back. Updated again and I'm all good

fbiryujin said:
This is what I had to wind up doing as the other image I had wouldn't flash. I edited the xml to skip the gpt and bootloader, and it flashed 4.4 back. Updated again and I'm all good
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please dont do that if you need to flash the 4.4.2 for verizon. please grab it from SBF they have added the 4.4.2 SBF package for verizon on the website. i do not recommend editing the XML file for the chance or bricking your phone.

Bootloader ID.

Can someone clarify what the bootloader identity is for 4.4 VS 4.4.2?
I think 4.4 is 30.B2......right?
I only ask, because after unlocking the att bootloader I flashed (via twrp) another 4.4.2 ROM
Will that change the BL version?
Or can I rsd back to 4.2.2 and go through the OTA update for att then go back and flash twrp and root?
Sent from my UNLOCKED Moto X!

matt99017d said:
Can someone clarify what the bootloader identity is for 4.4 VS 4.4.2?
I think 4.4 is 30.B2......right?
I only ask, because after unlocking the att bootloader I flashed (via twrp) another 4.4.2 ROM
Will that change the BL version?
Or can I rsd back to 4.2.2 and go through the OTA update for att then go back and flash twrp and root?
Sent from my UNLOCKED Moto X!
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30.B2 sounds right for ATT, My VZW model is 30.72 as of 4.4.2

matt99017d said:
Can someone clarify what the bootloader identity is for 4.4 VS 4.4.2?
I think 4.4 is 30.B2......right?
I only ask, because after unlocking the att bootloader I flashed (via twrp) another 4.4.2 ROM
Will that change the BL version?
Or can I rsd back to 4.2.2 and go through the OTA update for att then go back and flash twrp and root?
Sent from my UNLOCKED Moto X!
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If you are on the 4.4.2 bootloader and flash back and ota, your phone could brick.
Sent from my N5, N7, Moto X, G Tab 3 or S2.....

kj2112 said:
If you are on the 4.4.2 bootloader and flash back and ota, your phone could brick.
Sent from my N5, N7, Moto X, G Tab 3 or S2.....
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That's what I'm trying to figure out. What bootloader version does 4.4.2 have?.
I know that mine is 30.B2 running 4.4
Sent from my UNLOCKED Moto X!

matt99017d said:
That's what I'm trying to figure out. What bootloader version does 4.4.2 have?.
I know that mine is 30.B2 running 4.4
Sent from my UNLOCKED Moto X!
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4.4.2 is 30.B4

Dark9781 said:
4.4.2 is 30.B4
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Thanks! @Dark9781
Sent from my UNLOCKED Moto X!

[Q] Moto X VZW dev edition newb

I was on verizon galaxy nexus for over two years. I wanted better radio performance, so i got a moto x. Nexus bootloader was unlocked and I was a bit of a crackflasher.
I have unlocked bootloader on moto x and installed twrp and supersu.
I did all this before taking firmware update, so I can see how it runs on 4.2.2. I ran it awhile and wanted to try kk out. I downloaded the ota update and went to have it autoflash, but instead, it rebooted into twrp.
so, I have downloaded rsdlite (i used to have a droid x, so i am familiar) and will get the 4.4.2 firmware downloaded too.
Q: can i flash aosp 4.4.2 roms with my x in it's 4.2.2 state or do i need the 4.4.2 update first?
Q: are there standalone radio (baseband) files around I can download and flash in recovery?
Thx!

RSDLite when you have an unlocked bootloader?
Grab the 4.4.2 sbf, extract the individual imgs, then flash with fastboot.

You will find the moto x is no nexus I'm afraid. Not a flashaholics phone for sure. There's just a few ROMs....not a lot of mods, and whatever you do, once on 4.4.2....never downgrade. It can cost you your phone. Dev edition or not.
Just a heads up!!
BTW....not knocking it....I still recommend it to everyone I know!!! Except the couple rooting and tinkering types....then I recommend the N5 hands down.

update : upgraded to kk firmware with rsdlite. bootloader still unlocked. I am on Eclipse now and enjoying it.
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kochoid said:
update : upgraded to kk firmware with rsdlite. bootloader still unlocked. I am on Eclipse now and enjoying it.
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I moved from a galaxy nexus last fall to the X. I definitely flashed constantly... now with an unlocked bootloader (MotoMaker!) I don't have the need. Xposed is all you really need to get features you want, unless you just like to tinker.