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Blame the hardware. How about blame the developers on their end!
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I don't reckon most Droid 3 owners give a **** about ICS on their phones, nor do they have any clue what it even is. That is a shame though, because for Android enthusiasts like us, it is a big deal, especially when we are running ICS on it already and it makes MotoBlur look like the old LG Env interface.
Most people don't root, and Verizon isn't going to promote an OS version over a new handset. I love my D3, but it's utter nonsense that it won't get official ICS just months after Google called the version the great unifier that can and will run on every phone.
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I'm still running the alpha 6 and all seriousness if it weren't for a few things I would swear it was better than alpha. If motorola only knew what a pure ics experience was like on their hardware they could easily bury samsung and the crap nexus they released.
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davwman said:
http://m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=57374053&cid=null&bcid=&bid=-266
Blame the hardware. How about blame the developers on their end!
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I compared the hardware specs between XT860 and Galaxy Nexus and the only differences I really saw was that we only have 512mb ram. Same GPU almost the same CPU, I think moto is buying time so Goog can save them
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jckeyser said:
Most people don't root, and Verizon isn't going to promote an OS version over a new handset. I love my D3, but it's utter nonsense that it won't get official ICS just months after Google called the version the great unifier that can and will run on every phone.
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Moto still has not confirmed that the D3 is not getting ICS. As the DX and D2 both received GB well after they were no longer being sold, I think it's a good possibility that it will. We'll see, though.
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Moto still has not confirmed that the D3 is not getting ICS. As the DX and D2 both received GB well after they were no longer being sold, I think it's a good possibility that it will. We'll see, though.
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I think hashcode will get us ics long before moto does
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He already has. And Beta is right around the corner.
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How about unlocking the damn boot loaders and let us decide what is on our phone
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Well, that too.
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How about unlocking the damn boot loaders and let us decide what is on our phone
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I doubt that we will ever see bootloaders unlocked on our current phones. I suspect that it could not be done without sending the phones back to Motorola and having them replace the "one time" programmable firmware. Why else would having a Dev Razr be useless for unlocking other Razrs. I think the only way we would ever be able to put anything we wanted on these phones would be if Moto released their encrypted key so that the phone would accept it. FAT chance of that happening, but I bet that hasn't crossed anyone's mind at Moto. Maybe we could suggest that to them.
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The main bootloader unlock change.org page is over 7500 signed. Its got to mean something.
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Here's some good news though
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/0...n-of-motorola-to-clear-as-early-as-next-week/ Hopefully this will get something done and some good progress made.
nice!
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Good. Motorola actually has some nice hardware now but they suck with software it seems.
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The main bootloader unlock change.org page is over 7500 signed. Its got to mean something.
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OK, can someone answer a possibly dumb question for me? I've spent the last year happily rooting my original Droid and running custom roms - finally settling on Cyanogen Mod. Now, I'm no expert but I've found it pretty easy to do by just following the instructions that are available many places online. I now have my Droid 3 and so far am just running it stock - waiting for CM9 to get to a release version.
So, from the discussion I'm assuming that rooting the Device and loading Cyanogen is somehow something less than "unlocking the boot loader". But if it is, does that matter? Whatever that actually means it doesn't seem to be preventing anyone from running custom ROM's - or am I missing something?
Reminds me of h4ck1ng t3h g1b50n
Hack the planet!
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OK, can someone answer a possibly dumb question for me? I've spent the last year happily rooting my original Droid and running custom roms - finally settling on Cyanogen Mod. Now, I'm no expert but I've found it pretty easy to do by just following the instructions that are available many places online. I now have my Droid 3 and so far am just running it stock - waiting for CM9 to get to a release version.
So, from the discussion I'm assuming that rooting the Device and loading Cyanogen is somehow something less than "unlocking the boot loader". But if it is, does that matter? Whatever that actually means it doesn't seem to be preventing anyone from running custom ROM's - or am I missing something?
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With a locked bootloader we ca still run custom roms thanks to tricky devs but no custom kernels
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With a locked bootloader we ca still run custom roms thanks to tricky devs but no custom kernels
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But I used to run custom kernels on my Droid 1 too. I was running CM7.1 with a Chevy#1 (think that's what it was) kernel which was what let me use Set CPU to overclock. Is that not loading a "custom kernel"? Or was the boot loader unlocked on my Droid 2?
I'm not criticizing or saying anyone else is wrong - I'm just trying to understand what the differences are between what I have been doing and having a true "unlocked boot loader". What are the things that would allow me to do that can't be done now?
droid 1 is the only true unlocked bootloader moto phone with the exception of the atrix, which was accomplished with many many hours of work.
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so many times devices are locked and ultimately someone finds how to unlock the bootloaders
I had a preorder to pick it up today should I bother????
root is a deal breaker for me i can live without custom roms but not root
this was ganna be my first android phone was ganna be switching from a jailbroken Iphone 4
Unlocking a bootloader is getting harder and harder now but root is still possible I went into the T Mobile forum and they already have it rooted so just be patient
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raulz28 said:
Unlocking a bootloader is getting harder and harder now but root is still possible I went into the T Mobile forum and they already have it rooted so just be patient
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Well thats because Tmobile Note 3 doesn't have a locked bootloader.
After hearing this today i am now holding off on this phone and waiting for the Nexus 5. Maybe pick this one up later on...
^^ you have nice tastes in cars babymatteo...
Who is working on the boot loader unlock for our variant of the s5? Is anyone?
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Who is working on the boot loader unlock for our variant of the s5? Is anyone?
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As far as I know no one, work on safe strap seems to have come to a stop as well so it doesn't look like we will be getting ROM slots working either att = suck
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Who is working on the boot loader unlock for our variant of the s5? Is anyone?
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There may be someone working on it...but no need to talk about it till they have something concrete.
I have a feeling if the S5 is cracked it'll work on our Actives as well.
This is an awesome phone...I'm pretty satisfied with it and it can only be better. There's some amazing minds here...be patient.
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There may be someone working on it...but no need to talk about it till they have something concrete.
I have a feeling if the S5 is cracked it'll work on our Actives as well.
This is an awesome phone...I'm pretty satisfied with it and it can only be better. There's some amazing minds here...be patient.
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No need for a glimmer of hope to be spread. Better to have no hope and be impressed than have hope and be depressed, imo.
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Who is working on the boot loader unlock for our variant of the s5? Is anyone?
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With a phone this popular, I can't imagine the bootloader will never be unlocked. Either Samsung will do so, or someone will fix it.
Not to be a doubter, but considering the S4 is reaching a year and a half without its bootloader being cracked put a damper on this one. Not sure if it has been improved more. I do believe it is being worked on. I hope that if one gets cracked the other will shortly thereafter.
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Not to be a doubter, but considering the S4 is reaching a year and a half without its bootloader being cracked put a damper on this one. Not sure if it has been improved more. I do believe it is being worked on. I hope that if one gets cracked the other will shortly thereafter.
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An exploit was actually shown at Black Hat a few weeks ago showing a permanent bootloader unlock for the S4 and various other devices, but no S5
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An exploit was actually shown at Black Hat a few weeks ago showing a permanent bootloader unlock for the S4 and various other devices, but no S5
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It is still yet to be accomplished on the S4 (I am aware a demonstration was made). It should theoretically work on the S5 as well since it is nearly identical to the S5 in internals. (Those who want to disagree, go ahead. It is just my opinion that they are nearly identical). The exploit was for the particular setup in Snapdragon devices if I recall correctly, which that setup is present in the AT&T S5.
While the devices listed are unpatched and devices like the S5 are patched, it is my opinion that one can always pull back a patch for a problem. We see it all the time with Root. I'm just not talented enough to know how to do that level of work.
Hello,
I am just wondering, where is the latest news on the progress of our bootloader being unlocked? Or atleast where can I get any kind of info on how to do it? Cause I'll be dead honest, I turned on my galaxy S3 and missed the CM experience. I just want to get this thing unlocked so I can enjoy our phone, instead of being OK with what ATT gives us, cause its kinda dumb.
thanks for any information at all, cause I'd honestly dedicate my phone to the effort.
-Gulik
If u got s3 them u in wrong forum. Needed to go to att s3 forum.
Samsung unlock bootloader on SM-G870A ...
No no, I have both. I am using my S5, but I miss my S3 because of CM. I just want to help with this somehow.
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Also would love an answer to this question! Im came from a nexus 5 too so this really bothers me. ALL THIS ANDROID L IS MAKIN ME ANXIOUS TO GET A GLORIOUS CM ROM ON MY PHONE
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there will never be unlocked by at&t, this company is closed by capitalist political protection of the operator's own functions.
well I sold the phone, it is unfortunate, it is a good phone, it's amazing the difference g900a g900f with the operating system.
The g900f has everything unlocked functions representing the galaxy s5.
I recommend that you do not fall into the scam at&t.
I hate to be pessimistic, but with the arrival of "android 5" I doubt that at&t update these terminals, is a company that has a reputation of leaving obsolete phones.
I would easily pay 25-50 dollars for an unlock tool (like Sunshine for HTC/Motorola devices) for the G900A. While I do appreciate Safestrap and all its glory, I really, really, want stock android L on our device. Because somewhere...... a Samsung engineer is looking at L thinking "how can we screw this one up..."
All I'm saying is this, I'm not too savy with hacking or low level coding; but I hope that if Samsung does push out Android L and that there is some sort of exploit or bug that will allow us to root/unlock the boot loader since it would be a fairly new os compared to that of ICS/KK.
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Im just hoping devs get the bootloader unlocked before the end of 2014, but sadly i dont know if it will ever be unlocked
Why can't we pull a boot loader encryption key from an update?
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I would easily pay 25-50 dollars for an unlock tool (like Sunshine for HTC/Motorola devices) for the G900A. While I do appreciate Safestrap and all its glory, I really, really, want stock android L on our device. Because somewhere...... a Samsung engineer is looking at L thinking "how can we screw this one up..."
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Be careful what you wish for...
"L" has a whole new set of challenges....
Init commands are no more...
So our traditional root and superuser mechanisms are gone...
Google did this on purpose in the name of security..
So not only are the carriers locking us out..but Google is turning into the new apple....
So much for open source and freedom to create....g
Man screw this s5 I'm going to fire back up my s3 . I'm missing cm big time
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Why can't we pull a boot loader encryption key from an update?
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What you're describing is basically breaking an encryption, which is out of the realm of possibility. It would be far easier (and has still not happened yet) to literally steal the keys from Samsung. I believe previous bootloaders have been unlocked this way. If a lock is unpickable, then I'll just steal the key from the guy who has it right?
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What you're describing is basically breaking an encryption, which is out of the realm of possibility. It would be far easier (and has still not happened yet) to literally steal the keys from Samsung. I believe previous bootloaders have been unlocked this way. If a lock is unpickable, then I'll just steal the key from the guy who has it right?
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Sounds good to me .
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If the T-Mobile version is unlocked why can't we just make it think it's the same phone, or just switch out the boot loader somehow. Maybe someone understands what I'm saying ?
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If the T-Mobile version is unlocked why can't we just make it think it's the same phone, or just switch out the boot loader somehow. Maybe someone understands what I'm saying ?
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That's not going to ever happen. The bootloader is locked down to prevent that. You need to unlock our bootloader before you could ever switch them.
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If the T-Mobile version is unlocked why can't we just make it think it's the same phone, or just switch out the boot loader somehow. Maybe someone understands what I'm saying ?
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That's not going to ever happen. The bootloader is locked down to prevent that. You need to unlock our bootloader before you could ever switch them.
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Technically you are correct however, Odin can flash BootLoaders but alas we are back to if we had the "keys" we wouldnt need to try to flash a TMO BL.
viscous circle we are in
Do you guys think it will ever happen? I mean realistically
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Do you guys think it will ever happen? I mean realistically
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Doubtful
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Doubtful
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Man that sucks... I expected the type of options like I had with my s3.hmmm
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Man that sucks... I expected the type of options like I had with my s3.hmmm
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I love my S5 rooted running a killer Rom beautifully themed with great battery life and debloated. I've had a Galaxy S series since the S2. My S3 was a decent phone but this S5 is a beast.
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We need root on this phone. hopefully someone will be able to succeed on getting root soon!
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We need root on this phone. hopefully someone will be able to succeed on getting root soon!
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Hopefully
So what is the hold up. Is it just the Verizon variant that is lacking root? I thought the other variants had root? Not one post in the development sections. Weird.
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So what is the hold up. Is it just the Verizon variant that is lacking root? I thought the other variants had root? Not one post in the development sections. Weird.
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Verizon and AT&T don't have root. All others do
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So what is the hold up. Is it just the Verizon variant that is lacking root? I thought the other variants had root? Not one post in the development sections. Weird.
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Nothing posted in the DEV section yet because we don't have root, and as far as I know there hasn't been a VZW Dev edition released yet (and I'm doubting there will be with the production issues they've had getting the regular GS6E's out).
Trust me, we all (or mostly all?) want root, but we have to be patient - i'd be blown away if we got a root solution before the Note 4.
What I thought of course. But there should at least be a post or two saying: hey, I'm so and so dev. Im working on root. Will post back in a few days when completed. Lol
When you root your device, the integrity gets breached, which is necessary for important and sensitive features like mobile payments. :good:
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When you root your device, the integrity gets breached, which is necessary for important and sensitive features like mobile payments. :good:
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Who cares. Don't even use the features.
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lucky_strike33 said:
Who cares. Don't even use the features.
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At&t and Verizon cares.
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At&t and Verizon cares.
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if you care why read root threads on xda?
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Well if those so called "caring" companies would give us customers a little bit more control of our phones to get rid of some of their crapware, etc., then I would be all for it but they keep the lock on too tight as far as I'm concerned.
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What I thought of course. But there should at least be a post or two saying: hey, I'm so and so dev. Im working on root. Will post back in a few days when completed. Lol
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i lold at this post.. you dont just have a new device come out and a dev say it will take him a few days... the note 4 has been out for many months now and is still not rooted.. if you want to know where devs are at check those threads because they are working on rooting that device currently..
there is i believe only one L exploit that would not help in gettimg root available right now so until more exploits are found we dont stand a chance with root
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I'm not holding my breathe on root for this phone I don't see it happening any time soon
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I'm not holding my breathe on root for this phone I don't see it happening any time soon
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You don't read the right threads then.
http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2015/q2/333
I came off a RAZR HD MAXX, and have always had Moto phones (this is my first non-moto phone), but I read in at least 2 places that root cannot be had on this phone because verizon and AT&T have locked bootloaders. Now, Im not sure what the boot loader has to do with getting root, because with my Motos I always rooted before unlocking the BL (on the phones I had that UL the BL was an option), but it just doesnt sound right.
I dont think I want to use custom ROMs any longer, I just want to use root apps. Really hoping someone finds an exploit for it.
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You don't read the right threads then.
http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2015/q2/333
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awesome find. now this is for the note 4 kit kat right?
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awesome find. now this is for the note 4 kit kat right?
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I believe it is for all kernels up to May 2015.
It has been tested on the S6, and should work for any phone with a vulnerable kernel.
It should result in a root tool similar to towelroot.
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I came off a RAZR HD MAXX, and have always had Moto phones (this is my first non-moto phone), but I read in at least 2 places that root cannot be had on this phone because verizon and AT&T have locked bootloaders. Now, Im not sure what the boot loader has to do with getting root, because with my Motos I always rooted before unlocking the BL (on the phones I had that UL the BL was an option), but it just doesnt sound right.
I dont think I want to use custom ROMs any longer, I just want to use root apps. Really hoping someone finds an exploit for it.
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You havent been on my roms then .. Its a stripped down bare bone stock rom with slight tweaks/mods.. i did try theming before but with theme engine now its pointless to theme it now..
My rom is the Extreme Syndicate rom in the Verizon S5 thread.. will develop for the verizon gs6 edge when possible and most likely make some buids for att s6 edge as well
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You havent been on my roms then .. Its a stripped down bare bone stock rom with slight tweaks/mods.. i did try theming before but with theme engine now its pointless to theme it now..
My rom is the Extreme Syndicate rom in the Verizon S5 thread.. will develop for the verizon gs6 edge when possible and most likely make some buids for att s6 edge as well
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I cant wait to have this
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I cant wait to have this
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in the root thread the dev is saying theyre having some issues with the edge due to qc hardware we that means
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