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Hi guys,
i am thinking to buy optimus 2x or desire s. (they both cost almost the same, minor diff), i dont even dare call optimus 2x a phone anymore
desire s:
cool looking, metal body, great size,
BUT sucky camera, non rootable without xtc clip, no devs working on it, and some battery cover problems (squeaky)
optimus 2x:
LOTS of devs (which im hoping will fix the reboot issue), CM (yeaa!), great camera, hardware etc...
BUT its rebooting, getting very hot (for many), screen backlight bleeding and generaly unstable phone... my only gripes with it.
im so lost. any advice is VERY appreciated
The hardware for the Desire S is a real let-down IMHO. I've found my O2X to be stable generally, the early nightlies of CM7 weren't great but after about 10 they really improved. LG's software sucks but the phone is still usable, if laggy.
I've had no heat issue (if anything it runs cooler than my old Desire, if not my DEXT). Likewise the screen bleeding issue. I wouldn't choose any other phone right now.
tickler136 said:
The hardware for the Desire S is a real let-down IMHO. I've found my O2X to be stable generally, the early nightlies of CM7 weren't great but after about 10 they really improved. LG's software sucks but the phone is still usable, if laggy.
I've had no heat issue (if anything it runs cooler than my old Desire, if not my DEXT). Likewise the screen bleeding issue. I wouldn't choose any other phone right now.
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and if i may ask, for how long have you had your o2x ?
Looolll.
Is like comparing a Toyota with a Ferrari....
Ofcourse LG O2X.
I have mine since day one of release.
Some times (once a week or in 2 weeks) BSOD.
Phone never gets warm or what so ever.
Kept it stock for a long time. Rooted my phone like 2 weeks ago.
Just for Adfree, nothing else.
Had mine for a week. Stabile as rock! Not one reboot. No heat issues.
I have frozen antivirus and drivemehome (perhaps those who make the device reboot??)
My battery is good for 2 days with moderate use on 2G network. Have disabled 3G...
The backlight bleeding is a problem with all LCD screen more or less. I dont know why you want to stare at the screen while its pitch black in a room without light... I have some bleeding, but never bothers me. It is usually something to see in the screen
and what about the other loads of ppl who have bsod 5 times per day :| ?
i just really dont want want to go wrong with this because return is not an option
xilw3r said:
and what about the other loads of ppl who have bsod 5 times per day :| ?
i just really dont want want to go wrong with this because return is not an option
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Just play with your phone hardcore for 3 days.
If any BSOD, REBOOT, hot tempure will occure you can go to the store en switch the phone.
And if your phone has these issues, I think you will notice it on the hardcore 3 day use.
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Just play with your phone hardcore for 3 days.
If any BSOD, REBOOT, hot tempure will occure you can go to the store en switch the phone.
And if your phone has these issues, I think you will notice it on the hardcore 3 day use.
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I would do the opposite actually. Using the phone will give you no issues, it's only when left alone that the problems occur.
I seriously wouldn't risk this phone to be honest. You're guaranteed to have issues in one way or another, and you shouldn't have to root and void your warranty to get a reliable phone.
IMHO, if you can wait, I would suggest waiting 6 weeks to 2 months to see how the dual-core phone scene pans out. I think gingerbread would likely be on LG2X by then, as would improved stability on other dual-core phones as well. Also, like all electronic products, the longer you wait to buy - the cheaper they become.
keep in mind that some people had the O2X for 3 weeks before they started getting reboots/ freezes and BSOD. Just saying
Just you wait a little more while. CM7 will be as stable as a rock soon enough.
IMO. The Desire S should be around 2/3 the price of O2X to make it any worthy compared to O2X. It's just an upgraded version of the original Desire with a high pricetag.
The desire and incredible s work out of the box though. Without random reboots and freezes. If you just want a phone that works, I would go with the desire.
The 2x is great hardware for the money, but hardware isn't everything. I'm saying if you were concerned about problems, this really isn't the handset for you. Because you are 99% guaranteed to have issues.
If you are buying this with the intention to hack the hell out of it, you might be ok. You can't beat it's hardware to price ratio.
Don't even think about running this phone on stock if that is your intention.
It still hasn't been fully determined if anyone running stock, no root, no changes haven't had issues. Checking the various threads, I can't see anyone using stock that doesn't have issues. Most have either rooted and frozen apps, or put a complete new rom on.
If there are people running stock and don't have issues, they are a minority at best.
The op is saying a return isn't really an option to them. If so, then look elsewhere.
I hacked the **** out of it. And I love it. I could get an sgs2 but I didnt and thats saying a lot.
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Go for the o2x really great phone, had mine since day 1 and its never let me down, really glad i choose this over both desire s and sgs2
Hope this helps u decide, and let us know what u get.
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thanks guys. idk, i think im more leaning towards optimus 2x now, cuz of CM mostly, but then again, the size is kinda huge especially for a 4 inch screen.
and 1 more question, hows the audio quality through headphones ? i read in gsmarena that stereo crosstalk is pretty awful, what do you people think ? its kind of important cuz i always use my phone as a music player
Why isn't the stock ROM an option? My first handset had to be replaced on day one. My replacement has BSOD once in a month. BSOD aside, the stock ROM really aint that bad - the LG home app isn't so great, but replace it with Go Launcher (or Launcher Pro or. . . ) and it's fine.
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If you are buying this with the intention to hack the hell out of it, you might be ok. You can't beat it's hardware to price ratio.
Don't even think about running this phone on stock if that is your intention.
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Why isn't the stock ROM an option? My first handset had to be replaced on day one. My replacement has BSOD once in a month. BSOD aside, the stock ROM really aint that bad - the LG home app isn't so great, but replace it with Go Launcher (or Launcher Pro or. . . ) and it's fine.
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lol this bsod stuff looks so god darn random, i wish it was more concentrated so ppl could determine the ultimate cause.
btw another Q, hows the call quality ? and still: hows the sound through headphones ( is the stereo cross talk bearable ? cuz gsmarena said its pretty sucky, wondering how is it in real life situations)
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lol this bsod stuff looks so god darn random, i wish it was more concentrated so ppl could determine the ultimate cause.
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You're not the only one!
xilw3r said:
btw another Q, hows the call quality ? and still: hows the sound through headphones ( is the stereo cross talk bearable ? cuz gsmarena said its pretty sucky, wondering how is it in real life situations)
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I've found the call quality to be fine - in quiet situations, it's excellent, in noise situations it's fine. I've not used the handsfree, so don't know how calls are through headphones, but music is aok .
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but music is aok .
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thanks do you use the supplied headphones or your own ?
Np - I use my own - Goldring NS1000.
xilw3r said:
thanks do you use the supplied headphones or your own ?
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Hi,
Not a troll or flamebait, but I really can't find any reason to let go of
my trusty SGS (one) to get a shiny SGS II. A friend showed me his II and
it is taller than the classic and not really thiner (it seemed to me).
So the II would stick out a bit more from my pocket.
Is there any good reason to "upgrade" to a SGS II?
In my opinion the the upgrade from SGS to SGS II isnt worth the 500€, or well more like 300€ since you can probably get 200€+ from your SGS
Dual core, 1 GB RAM, SAMOLED+, 1080p recording, TW4... The list goes on and on.
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I got a SGS Galaxy II for a friend of mine, and could buy another for me heavily discounted, and still I didn't think twice and didn't upgrade from my precious i9000.
SGS Galaxy II advantages are minimal for my needs, there is no real breakthrough.
Probably will only upgrade when my i9000 dies on me.
I'm waiting for SGS3 as it will propably be 3D phone. I9000 to i9100 is too small upgrade for me as my i9000 can do 95% as smooth as I9100 games i play and roms i use.
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HDMI, better CPU, much more RAM,... if it had 720p screen, I'd be drolling over it
I think the biggest difference I noticed when I played with one at the store, besides the RAM, was the faster SD speed. Installing apps seemed to be about 2-4x faster than on my SGS. Angry Birds, large program, installed pretty quickly maybe 5-7 seconds while it would be a bit of a wait 15+ seconds on my SGS. I would guess that the faster SD is mostly what makes the device much quicker and less laggy overall.
Still not dropping the cash to buy one though. I'll just want next year's model when it comes out...so I'll play with SGS gingerbread roms in the meantime to relax my trigger finger for now.
I would have upgraded in a heartbeat if the SGS2 would have had the exact identical form factor as the SGS.
I didn't think it would be that big of a deal until I got to try my friends phone.
It was an instant deal-killer after using it...
ccrows said:
I would have upgraded in a heartbeat if the SGS2 would have had the exact identical form factor as the SGS.
I didn't think it would be that big of a deal until I got to try my friends phone.
It was an instant deal-killer after using it...
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Agreed!!! I hope the SGS 3, comes with a 4.3" screen while still retaining the form factor similar to SGS (width in particular, should be lower as in SE Arc). If nothing works, 4" still would be enough.
For me, two things, that SGS 2 will definitely fix are the memory issue (browser tabs's data being lost, after multitasking) and maybe the GPS. (have tried most of the fixes, but voice navigation in car doesn't work all that well. maybe limitation of a mobile device, but I have a feeling SGS2 would fare much better).
Its too much too soon IMO.
Ive only had my SGS 1 for 7 months now, Upgrading to the SGS 2 is bizzare lol,
I mean, if i had the cash spare, i probably would, as would anyone else. But to me £200/300 is just waaaay to much for little gain.. Theres so much more that money could do for me.
Maybe in another 6 months i may think about the upgrade, But im loving my SGS 1 at the moment, Running MIUI, super smooth super fast, TW4 launcher, Great GPS, 720p recording, and lots more..... I dont need much more from a phone really.
I am going through the same debate in my head. I LOVE my sgs but the sgs2 is very tempting. For me the main pros are:
-Bigger screen
-Bigger battery
-Faster
-Camera flash
-Better/working gps (this is my assumption, anyone confirm?)
-The form factor, current sgs reminds me too much of an iphone.
-Hdmi out
I love my SGS.. The SGS2 looks much 'squarer' imo.
ok let me say my experience:
after buying the sgsII over the original, I can confirm that all the pros which people claimed r true
what is the difference between pentium 3 and 4? its nothing but the speed and performance.
having said that I gave sgs+cm 7 to my wife and she is pretty happy with it
this phone is not dead .....yet
so does the big question is SHALL U GUYS UPGRADE ??
I got my phone by a contract upgrade cause I needed to get a contract anyway
I am paying £27 for free phone+300min+unlimited sms+500mb on O2
but if I dont have the upgrade yet I would stay patient for couple of months waiting for the prices to fall.
Summary: this phone is a big leap on the old one, ull c the improvements in every single element . However, its worth holding ur breaths for a short while
I owned the S1 for 11 months, Initially I never thought the S2 would really offer anything better apart from the bigger screen and 50% more subpixels which is not noticeable anyway, but when I got the phone the speed difference is just amazing and I've decked out the SGS1 with tweaks (OneNAND mode / SpeedMod / 1.4Ghz OC) The difference is just so huge, w/o using the S2 you can say that the S1 is pretty smooth but once you start yung the S2 you can really say that the S1 was just fooling you in terms of smoothness. Multi tasking is awesome on the phone, no waiting time when switching between apps/tasks the phone is actually waiting on you. Its pretty impressive and worth the jump for me.. Imagine this is running on an OS with almost no dualcore optimizations..
The only edge the S1 has over the S2 is the quality control of the screen on the S1 is far far better than the S2.
EarlZ said:
I owned the S1 for 11 months, Initially I never thought the S2 would really offer anything better apart from the bigger screen and 50% more subpixels which is not noticeable anyway, but when I got the phone the speed difference is just amazing and I've decked out the SGS1 with tweaks (OneNAND mode / SpeedMod / 1.4Ghz OC) The difference is just so huge, w/o using the S2 you can say that the S1 is pretty smooth but once you start yung the S2 you can really say that the S1 was just fooling you in terms of smoothness. Multi tasking is awesome on the phone, no waiting time when switching between apps/tasks the phone is actually waiting on you. Its pretty impressive and worth the jump for me.. Imagine this is running on an OS with almost no dualcore optimizations..
The only edge the S1 has over the S2 is the quality control of the screen on the S1 is far far better than the S2.
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You mean 25% more sub-pixels? Green, Blue, Red and now with SAmoled+ also Yellow?
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Jobiza said:
You mean 25% more sub-pixels? Green, Blue, Red and now with SAmoled+ also Yellow?
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No, it's 50% more.
The SGS is:
R G | B G | R G
The SGS II is:
R G B | R G B | R G B
In both cases, 3 pixels. One has 6 subpixels, the other 9.
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Hrithan2020 said:
Agreed!!! I hope the SGS 3, comes with a 4.3" screen while still retaining the form factor similar to SGS (width in particular, should be lower as in SE Arc). If nothing works, 4" still would be enough.
For me, two things, that SGS 2 will definitely fix are the memory issue (browser tabs's data being lost, after multitasking) and maybe the GPS. (have tried most of the fixes, but voice navigation in car doesn't work all that well. maybe limitation of a mobile device, but I have a feeling SGS2 would fare much better).
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For anyone having issues or even a slow GPS on the SGS, take a look at this thread.
This virtually fixed all of my GPS issues just by applying OP's config...
Dual Core & 1Gb RAM of the SGS2 is very tempting! But because I'm a music fan, I really hate the Yamaha DAC on the SGS2. Tested it a couple of times and it just blows a$$!
SGS1 + Voodoo is so much better!
I'm still waiting for the next batch of SGS2 that will have Wolfson DAC in it and probably 1.4Ghz Processor & bigger internal memory!
ccrows said:
For anyone having issues or even a slow GPS on the SGS, take a look at this thread.
This virtually fixed all of my GPS issues just by applying OP's config...
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I have found that in general these fixes, would increase the locking speed. But, didn't find it to perform very well, when it comes to tracking the device when moving. (maybe, that is the limit of SGS? inside car, with windows closed, there is bound to be quite a lot of attenuation)
currently using galnets miui on the sgs...I'm also not sure whether or not the upgrade to the sgs2 is worthy (yet) ?
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Thats right people, i just made the million dollar question. As a quick background, ive owned an ETEN X500 (terrible phone), an HTC TD2 (ridiculous newton rings issues) and up until a few days i was a proud owner of an Acer Liquid E, which was, with the help of some geniuses up at modaco, an amazing handset which had cost me only about 280 euros more than a year ago. Due to a terrible car accident (from which i miraculously survived almost intact) the Liquid fell into the sea and, well, thats all with that. As you can tell im not into paying incredible money for a phone, since i hate contracts (pay-as-you-go is the future lol), so id rather save up and pay for an unlocked device. I have found a pretty good deal on the Optimus 2X, about 380 Euros, which i consider great for a dual-core device, but as i keep on reading page after page here, im quite shocked on the amount of issues this phone has. The screen bleeding is really nothing new for an IPS LCD display, ive seen it b4 and im sure ill see it again, and its only noticeable in extreme situations (full brightness, black background and nothing else) so im not so much worried about it. The lag/freeze/reboot situation is a completely different issue of course. There are so many people experiencing these problems that one may think that the 2X is a faulty device by design, but im still not totally convinced about it. Are we seriously talking about bad HW here, or is there any substantial hope of getting a holy-grail-type SW fix? I know that this has been talked over again and again and i have already read more than 50 pages on that, so my question goes more to the people that have done serious research on the issue and could, possibly, have a more global view on it. The phone does have all im lookin for on a device: dual-core CPU, LCD display (S-AMOLED burn-in? no thanx), HDMI, 1080p video, affordable.. But having lots of doubts, as expected.
Anyways, any thoughts/replies would be very welcome.
PS Even if i dont end up buying the phone, good luck to the owers
Peace
Buy it, root it, install CM7 on it, most issues would be gone. Gingerbread also slated to come soon. This is a value for money phone imo.
The freeze problem I think are not on every device. I think that some countries do not have this prohlem at all. Like here in Slovakia I read a lot of reviews and people reviews, and no one was affected by this problem. So I bought it too, and never this problem never happened so far. So... you make a conclusion
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Buy the phone, The bang for buck is high regarding performance. Screen is good and if you lucky like me almost no back bleeding. The phone itself has a solid build and you get the Quality feel when you hold it. Camera is good and HD recording as well.
I only had the random reboot issue at the begging but with the latest Update its better now, has occurred but not that often like 1 in a month or something. Lags sometimes when installing apps or the F-secure is doing its thing.
Overall i'm happy with the phone, Just wished that LG put more ram and faster NAND. However don't get me wrong the phone doesn't bottleneck because of this performance wise. If i where you and wanted powerhouse that's cheap then the 2x is for you.
Also note that i run Stock ROM froyo, think with GB things will get better.
A tip if you get it change the launcher right away or put another ROM(CM7 or Modaco if you ask me, also check out MIUI) and Kernel.
(Haven't done it myself cause of lack of time, need to start exploring Android dev wise. Used to work with Winmo 6.1 on my xperia x1 (old dev) ).
If you have plans to use custom ROMs, buy it. I never had any problems with it.
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Thanx for the replies guys, its good to know that things may not be as bad for everybody. I guess i might take my chances with this one.. Ill def be doing some more reading bout it though.. thanc again
I compared 5 phones:
Sony Ericsson Arc - no front facing camera
Motorola Atrix - no FM radio
Samsung Galaxy S2 - great phone, but a little out of my budget
HTC Sensation - a real contender, but more expensive than the LG and starting to get close in price to the Samsung
LG O2X - the lowest price with all the features I wanted.
I've had one reboot in over one month's use: I had the LG tethered to my notebook (works surprisingly well as a 3G modem). Surfing the net and charging the phone at the same time. I then started making voice calls and Tango video calls while still tethered to the internet and charging.
I could feel the LG starting to get a little warm and then bada bing! Re-boot.
I think I pushed it a little too hard that day.
Under normal use and conditions, my LG works well.
I would happily buy another one of these bronze beauties.
(I think black is also available, but I only ever seem to see the bronze coloured handsets)
Rhetorical answer - No.
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Hi mate, are you from Italy?
I bought it 10 days ago at the same price you said on an Italian website (maybe the same u saw) and I had a lot of BSOD. IMO when you find it at a very low price it's because they have "bad" phones and they want to sell them as soon as possibile but I don't know if this is true!
But you have to consider that with the warranty you are almost sure that any issue will be resolved, you just have to wait... Mine is at the LG center right now and I'm waiting for it. Luckyli my HTC Magic is still working, so I have a good replacement during the wait!
Sorry for my English, I hope you understand everything
CYA
After first few days I was realy disapointed. The SW is realy but realy crap, battery was overheating, lasted only few hours. Response of the phone was very slow and I had few reboots. After 3 days I rooted it, flashed MODACO rom and ... I couldnt get better device for the price.
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With modaco no modaco cm7 this phone is crap going back to iphone when it comes out !gs2 froam samsung is the king !my friend has it is super fast no lags wait befoure you buy i have this phone froam april its not good i paid it 500 €!
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Hi mate, are you from Italy?
I bought it 10 days ago at the same price you said on an Italian website (maybe the same u saw) and I had a lot of BSOD. IMO when you find it at a very low price it's because they have "bad" phones and they want to sell them as soon as possibile but I don't know if this is true!
But you have to consider that with the warranty you are almost sure that any issue will be resolved, you just have to wait... Mine is at the LG center right now and I'm waiting for it. Luckyli my HTC Magic is still working, so I have a good replacement during the wait!
Sorry for my English, I hope you understand everything
CYA
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I am in Spain actually and it seems that my case looks a lot like yours. The retailer is very well known and it sells in all Europe. There is only 1-5 phones on stock at the moment so i think that maybe its a 'bad batch' that they are trying to get rid of, hence the low price tag. Mixed opinions here as well, so.. im really not sure about it at all. Continue reading
I'm satisfied of the phone...
When I buy it I had a lot of SODs with stock rom, but now with CM7 and MIUI this phone is much better...
Call quality is good
Camera is good (the glass in front of camera is crap...you have to clean it every time otherwise it causes the "myst" problem on the photos)
Battery is average
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Its done.. Ordered the phone today, should have it by wednesday.. Fingers crossed..
Good luck.
Phone: LG Optimus 2X
Android version: 2.2.2
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So.. The phone arrived yesterday from the UK. After about 10 hours of heavy usage i had 1 reboot, that, from what ive read over these days, doesnt really bother me.. Coming from a Liquid E, this phone feels very very fast, no lags or slowdowns of any kind. From earlier experience and knowing that the phone is on stock ROM, i can imagine that with a custom CM7 it should be faster than Bolt. BTW i left the phone last night with 64% battery and this morning i had.. 64% battery!! Incredible.. Anyways, im not gonna be flashing custom roms just yet, the only thing im interested in at the moment is getting the [email protected] patch working.. Even though i have found the 'start here' post here on xda, it will take some time to understand what needs to be done 1st etc since there's no clear guide, but im used to this kind of situations (just like anyone with a smartphone browsing through xda pages i guess).. Very happy with my purchase for now, i think that a tegra2 phone for 370 Euros was a bargain after all.. Thanx for your input, c ya around
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So.. The phone arrived yesterday from the UK. After about 10 hours of heavy usage i had 1 reboot, that, from what ive read over these days, doesnt really bother me.. Coming from a Liquid E, this phone feels very very fast, no lags or slowdowns of any kind. From earlier experience and knowing that the phone is on stock ROM, i can imagine that with a custom CM7 it should be faster than Bolt. BTW i left the phone last night with 64% battery and this morning i had.. 64% battery!! Incredible.. Anyways, im not gonna be flashing custom roms just yet, the only thing im interested in at the moment is getting the [email protected] patch working.. Even though i have found the 'start here' post here on xda, it will take some time to understand what needs to be done 1st etc since there's no clear guide, but im used to this kind of situations (just like anyone with a smartphone browsing through xda pages i guess).. Very happy with my purchase for now, i think that a tegra2 phone for 370 Euros was a bargain after all.. Thanx for your input, c ya around
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in Holland u can get it for €318,-
its alot cheaper then the €478,- for the galaxy S2 and Sensation.
2 of my hfriends have a sensation and galaxy s2. mine is the fastest
(i want an optimus 3d now )
i can only choose between LG O2x or Nexus S, i like the timely software support of the S but the specs on LG are way superior...should i just get the LG?
Ximo F. Verde said:
So.. The phone arrived yesterday from the UK. After about 10 hours of heavy usage i had 1 reboot, that, from what ive read over these days, doesnt really bother me.. Coming from a Liquid E, this phone feels very very fast, no lags or slowdowns of any kind. From earlier experience and knowing that the phone is on stock ROM, i can imagine that with a custom CM7 it should be faster than Bolt. BTW i left the phone last night with 64% battery and this morning i had.. 64% battery!! Incredible.. Anyways, im not gonna be flashing custom roms just yet, the only thing im interested in at the moment is getting the [email protected] patch working.. Even though i have found the 'start here' post here on xda, it will take some time to understand what needs to be done 1st etc since there's no clear guide, but im used to this kind of situations (just like anyone with a smartphone browsing through xda pages i guess).. Very happy with my purchase for now, i think that a tegra2 phone for 370 Euros was a bargain after all.. Thanx for your input, c ya around
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Abot the battery issue, Ive been having it too after one month using it. The thing is, that the phone actually gets charged, but somehow the phone unable to detect the actual battey level.
I found that restarting the phone will get the phone to redetect the battery again. I think its a SW problem though, so any custom ROM will likely fix the problem.
goothu99 said:
i can only choose between LG O2x or Nexus S, i like the timely software support of the S but the specs on LG are way superior...should i just get the LG?
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If you like to have the latest version of Android OD with no bells and whistles then get the Nexus.
If you like to wait 6+ months for LG to install a boatload of crap (that nobody wants) into a phone, then be late for work every other day because the alarm didn't work etc etc then go for the LG.
Nexus S anytime.
Hi!
I'm actually using HTC Desire Z but I'm wondering if Milestone 3 is better than it. I'm not only looking at tech things like CPU, RAM, Camera, but also at development. I don't need a phone which is working on stock ICS, JB or whatever, I need to have a slim & fast software (like SlimRoms). Other thing, is the keyboard comfortable to use? It's important for me too.
Greetings and Merry Christmas
Development is nonexistent, but if you don't mind Gingerbread, it's actually not horrible. And yes, the physical keyboard is pretty nice.
CONS : camera is crap ,front facing camera is crap , stuck on 2.3 gingerbread. All kinds of problems like no sound over HDMI
PROS : good call quality,call reception is better than a droid dna. Full keyboard for fast texting. Cheap price,you can buy an xt862 for around $50 and flash it with a GSM radio and use it pretty much everywhere.
i really like the phone overall tho but i let my sister use a 2nd droid 3 i have for a few days while she was waiting for a replacement for her iphone 5 that she broke,she said she cant understand how i use such a $hitty phone lol. Most people wouldnt want to use it ,
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Development is nonexistent, but if you don't mind Gingerbread, it's actually not horrible. And yes, the physical keyboard is pretty nice.
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CONS : camera is crap ,front facing camera is crap , stuck on 2.3 gingerbread. All kinds of problems like no sound over HDMI
PROS : good call quality,call reception is better than a droid dna. Full keyboard for fast texting. Cheap price,you can buy an xt862 for around $50 and flash it with a GSM radio and use it pretty much everywhere.
i really like the phone overall tho but i let my sister use a 2nd droid 3 i have for a few days while she was waiting for a replacement for her iphone 5 that she broke,she said she cant understand how i use such a $hitty phone lol. Most people wouldnt want to use it ,
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Only GingerBread? How about this and this? Anyway GingerBread is better than newer releases. Maybe not as comfortable, but much faster and it's important. I'm using it on my Desire Z (512MB RAM, 1GHz[overclocked to this] one core) and I don't complain. I tried many ROMs, but GB (CM7) is definitely the best.
Why is camera crap? I thought if it has 8Mpx it makes beautiful photos
About front camera, I don't really care about it lol, used it only when I wanted to check how my face looks haha.
I heared many complains about HTC Desire Z too, like: slow! heavy! old! weak battery! for what do you need full keyboard! you have a faster phone and you want to switch to weaker one?! - but I really don't care. Now I can use my phone for everything, not just for playing games. Chatting is really, really comfortable with full keyboard.
I'm really curious... Where can you find Droid 3 for $50? I see they are for more than $100... I'm not from USA so maybe I don't know where to search, but I looked at eBay.
And thank you guys for answers!
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Only GingerBread? How about this and this? Anyway GingerBread is better than newer releases. Maybe not as comfortable, but much faster and it's important. I'm using it on my Desire Z (512MB RAM, 1GHz[overclocked to this] one core) and I don't complain. I tried many ROMs, but GB (CM7) is definitely the best.
Why is camera crap? I thought if it has 8Mpx it makes beautiful photos
About front camera, I don't really care about it lol, used it only when I wanted to check how my face looks haha.
I heared many complains about HTC Desire Z too, like: slow! heavy! old! weak battery! for what do you need full keyboard! you have a faster phone and you want to switch to weaker one?! - but I really don't care. Now I can use my phone for everything, not just for playing games. Chatting is really, really comfortable with full keyboard.
I'm really curious... Where can you find Droid 3 for $50? I see they are for more than $100... I'm not from USA so maybe I don't know where to search, but I looked at eBay.
And thank you guys for answers!
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the camera is laggy and every picture has a blue tint to it. 8mp doesnt mean the cam will be good,the 5mp camera on my old captivate was 10x better than the one on the droid 3.
the droid 3 on ebay sells for around $50 now,just search droid 3 xt862. it will work with GSM networks but it has to be unlocked and flashed with the chinese droid 3 radio image.
Ahm ok I was just searching for unlocked devices but didn't think I can do it by myself anyway, I think droid 3 isn't a good choice because of a camera and lack in development. Thank you all for answers!
linoskoczek said:
Only GingerBread? How about this and this? Anyway GingerBread is better than newer releases. Maybe not as comfortable, but much faster and it's important. I'm using it on my Desire Z (512MB RAM, 1GHz[overclocked to this] one core) and I don't complain. I tried many ROMs, but GB (CM7) is definitely the best.
Why is camera crap? I thought if it has 8Mpx it makes beautiful photos
About front camera, I don't really care about it lol, used it only when I wanted to check how my face looks haha.
I heared many complains about HTC Desire Z too, like: slow! heavy! old! weak battery! for what do you need full keyboard! you have a faster phone and you want to switch to weaker one?! - but I really don't care. Now I can use my phone for everything, not just for playing games. Chatting is really, really comfortable with full keyboard.
I'm really curious... Where can you find Droid 3 for $50? I see they are for more than $100... I'm not from USA so maybe I don't know where to search, but I looked at eBay.
And thank you guys for answers!
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The camera was never developed for Android 4.x fully (ICS can do photos but video doesn't work because ducati never got built). The drivers are closed source and TI/Motorola doesn't wanna release the code.
The problem with Gingerbread is that everything is built on the stock ROM/kernel pretty much. I mean it runs decent but not as good as I think it could.
Hey guys I'm about to buy a refurbished Xperia Z from Amazon, but I'd like you guys to give me some advice. Do you recommend me? My main concerns are battery, display(they say blacks are grayish), camera and sound. I come from a galaxy s3 and lumia 640 XL(maybe someone has/had one of these smartphones and could give me some thoughts). I suppose the performance is great. I also noticed the device has some pretty good community and development(which the s3 lacks a bit)-which is also very important to me... am I right? Also, how does AOSP-based lollipop(may I dare and also say marshmallow ) run on it? Sorry guys for too many questions and also sorry for my english.
Best regards!!
What can I say...
FIRST- if you're buying it for $100 or less maybe it is till a good deal, otherwise maybe it is better to see at other low-to-mid-range
SECOND- yes, the performance is good, even better with lollipop, screen looks better now (maybe sonybravia got better, maybe because lollipop has more white in it and the white is being displayed better), but anyway you have to UNDERCLOCK it in order to get a decent battery life
THIRD- battery life is very disappointing, you HAVE to underclock it and root it and greenify it to get any good battery life, unless you can charge it every 12 hours
FOURTH - the device is getting older and so the interest in this device (im talking about support from devs)
FIFTH - the phone gets hot, like really really hot when you're using it playing games (unless you underclock it), and since the back cover is only a adhesive line, when it gets hotter with the help off the Nfc antenna (which is set to push against the backcover) the backcover gets up and looses its waterproofness
SIX- the flaps - the damn flaps- they're everywhere - and you need to open them every-time you charge the phone, put on the headphones, remove the sim, remove the microSD, and they tend to get loose with time especially the one of the charger since you need to charge it frequently
NOW... that I told you about it downsides, its not a bad phone nowdays, it has a big and very beautiful display, connectivity is like the best i've ever tried, performance is pretty good (cpu + gpu ), camera performs really well - especially in macro, dev support for now is good.
Overall for someone who has it I think it can take another one or two years, but I personally would not buy it unless I find it for cheap or cannot buy a used phone. Personally I would look into a HTC M8 or a LG G3, maybe even used.
You decide
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What can I say...
FIRST- if you're buying it for $100 or less maybe it is till a good deal, otherwise maybe it is better to see at other low-to-mid-range
SECOND- yes, the performance is good, even better with lollipop, screen looks better now (maybe sonybravia got better, maybe because lollipop has more white in it and the white is being displayed better), but anyway you have to UNDERCLOCK it in order to get a decent battery life
THIRD- battery life is very disappointing, you HAVE to underclock it and root it and greenify it to get any good battery life, unless you can charge it every 12 hours
FOURTH - the device is getting older and so the interest in this device (im talking about support from devs)
FIFTH - the phone gets hot, like really really hot when you're using it playing games (unless you underclock it), and since the back cover is only a adhesive line, when it gets hotter with the help off the Nfc antenna (which is set to push against the backcover) the backcover gets up and looses its waterproofness
SIX- the flaps - the damn flaps- they're everywhere - and you need to open them every-time you charge the phone, put on the headphones, remove the sim, remove the microSD, and they tend to get loose with time especially the one of the charger since you need to charge it frequently
NOW... that I told you about it downsides, its not a bad phone nowdays, it has a big and very beautiful display, connectivity is like the best i've ever tried, performance is pretty good (cpu + gpu ), camera performs really well - especially in macro, dev support for now is good.
Overall for someone who has it I think it can take another one or two years, but I personally would not buy it unless I find it for cheap or cannot buy a used phone. Personally I would look into a HTC M8 or a LG G3, maybe even used.
You decide
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Thank you so much for your elaborated answer You really made me think about it.
FIRST- it costs me about $160(in a very good condition) and I really can't pay any more than this for a smartphone. It's actually a pretty good deal for what it normally costs in my country. If you/somebody could recommend me a better phone for this price point(taking into consideration the development community)...
SECOND- good to know.
THIRD- well I have to say it sounds dissapointing. Underclocking...doesn't sound that good to me... although I'd have no problem using greenify. 12 hours with 4g on? What's the usage?(heavy...moderate...)
FOURTH- this is the first thing I look when looking for an android device. If it doesn't allow custom ROMs and doesn't have a decent community behind then I don't buy it.
FIFTH- the "gettin really hot" thing sounds also really dissapointin. I'm not a heavy gamer but I do like to play graphic-intensive games from time to time. So is it really that annoing? About the waterproofness... really not important to me.
SIX- pretty annoing huh? Especially the headphones thing. What if you cut them out? You think there'd be any inconvenience on doing this aside from loosing the waterproof thing(and design of course)?
Well... so yeah some bad news for me here. But I can't find a decent phone wich also has community behind for this price. And another which makes me go for it are the 2GB of RAM.
So I wait for some other answers too guys
Also read my first post's EDIT.
Buying today XZ is stupid... seriously.
When I bought my XZ price of Z1compact was almost the same and it still is, its 20$-30$ difference for most of time(New XZ cost about 180$ z1c 200$)
And for that price you can buy WAY better phones, starting from Galaxy S4 to LG G series. And you want to stick to Sony you can get even z1 or used z2
As far as I love this phone I would not recommend it to anyone, battery is below average, camera is worst than my old Arc S, and those cover flaps are pain in the A##
This is best example of phone that look good, but those small bugs in everyday usage make it annoying to use...
And yes I still use it :] Because after using new phones... I found out that most of them are the same: average battery, and looots of small bugs that make them annoying after some time. So I decide to change phones once per 3-4 years...
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For that price NO! Performance with LP is good, camera not so good even with LP. Didnt have issues with overheating, connectivity is good. Screen and colors looks pretty nice for me.
MultiPDev said:
Thank you so much for your elaborated answer You really made me think about it.
FIRST- it costs me about $160(in a very good condition) and I really can't pay any more than this for a smartphone. It's actually a pretty good deal for what it normally costs in my country. If you/somebody could recommend me a better phone for this price point(taking into consideration the development community)...
SECOND- good to know.
THIRD- well I have to say it sounds dissapointing. Underclocking...doesn't sound that good to me... although I'd have no problem using greenify. 12 hours with 4g on? What's the usage?(heavy...moderate...)
FOURTH- this is the first thing I look when looking for an android device. If it doesn't allow custom ROMs and doesn't have a decent community behind then I don't buy it.
FIFTH- the "gettin really hot" thing sounds also really dissapointin. I'm not a heavy gamer but I do like to play graphic-intensive games from time to time. So is it really that annoing? About the waterproofness... really not important to me.
SIX- pretty annoing huh? Especially the headphones thing. What if you cut them out? You think there'd be any inconvenience on doing this aside from loosing the waterproof thing(and design of course)?
Well... so yeah some bad news for me here. But I can't find a decent phone wich also has community behind for this price. And another which makes me go for it are the 2GB of RAM.
So I wait for some other answers too guys
Also read my first post's EDIT.
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Well,
ONE - if you want a phone with good Dev community support and with that budget you'll have to take a look at ex-flagship devices, like HTC One M7 (this one remains IMHO one of the best devices ever), LG G2(very good camera from what I've been told, and powerful cpu), Samsung Galaxy S4(well because it is a Samsung and everybody has one so many developers...)
THREE - Underclock means you lower the frequency of the Cpu (example. it goes from 1.5 Ghz quad-core to 1.1 Ghz quad-core), I like more uncerclock than greenify, and underclocking at 1.1 Ghz in my opinion gives the best performance/battery life/heat ratio. Usage is normal, 1 hour browsing; 1 hour listening to songs (in 3g, even when 4g is available I disable it); 1 hour 9gag and gets at evening with 30-35%...
FOUR - many custom roms for now, and quality is really good, im using currently the 5.1.1 modified and runs pretty good.
FIVE- when you underclock (which I recommend!) you give your device better battery life but also it heats less. If you don't mind the waterproofness then it's better because I wouldn't call Waterproof a really thin bezel of adhesive (They're crazy !!!)
SIX- yeah, they're annoying but anyway you can live with that, and design is really good and would be a shame if you removed them.
So my list woud be;
1.Htc One m7
2.Lg g2
3.Samsung S4 or Xperia Z
(and btw where do you live? maybe i can see smth for you)
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For that price NO! Performance with LP is good, camera not so good even with LP. Didnt have issues with overheating, connectivity is good. Screen and colors looks pretty nice for me.
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Well it seems the camera is not that good as I thought. Do you think moto g 2/3 has better camera? Although they only have 1GB or RAM.
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Well it seems the camera is not that good as I thought. Do you think moto g 2/3 has better camera? Although they only have 1GB or RAM.
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As an XZ owner i would definitely recommend you to go with Moto G2/3. Beside better camera there will be MM support for both the 2gen and 3gen Moto, while not for XZ.
aaronkatrini said:
Well,
ONE - if you want a phone with good Dev community support and with that budget you'll have to take a look at ex-flagship devices, like HTC One M7 (this one remains IMHO one of the best devices ever), LG G2(very good camera from what I've been told, and powerful cpu), Samsung Galaxy S4(well because it is a Samsung and everybody has one so many developers...)
THREE - Underclock means you lower the frequency of the Cpu (example. it goes from 1.5 Ghz quad-core to 1.1 Ghz quad-core), I like more uncerclock than greenify, and underclocking at 1.1 Ghz in my opinion gives the best performance/battery life/heat ratio. Usage is normal, 1 hour browsing; 1 hour listening to songs (in 3g, even when 4g is available I disable it); 1 hour 9gag and gets at evening with 30-35%...
FOUR - many custom roms for now, and quality is really good, im using currently the 5.1.1 modified and runs pretty good.
FIVE- when you underclock (which I recommend!) you give your device better battery life but also it heats less. If you don't mind the waterproofness then it's better because I wouldn't call Waterproof a really thin bezel of adhesive (They're crazy !!!)
SIX- yeah, they're annoying but anyway you can live with that, and design is really good and would be a shame if you removed them.
So my list woud be;
1.Htc One m7
2.Lg g2
3.Samsung S4 or Xperia Z
(and btw where do you live? maybe i can see smth for you)
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It seems the decision is getting harder and harder, although I already bought it because I don't wanna loose the deal. It's not available anymore at this price after buying it. I'm waiting for it to arrive in about two days I'll test it and if it doesn't satisfy me I'll return it.
ONE - Those devices are about $50 more expensive.
THREE - Maybe underclock could do the job, but will it still run smooth at lets say 1.2ghz? Anyway I think for the usage you described the battery doesn't sound that bad.
FOUR - Yeah, I'm looking at the hacking section and I'm stunned
FIVE - well, I'll happily underclock it if it doesn't affect performance too much. Maybe setting to the normal clock when gaming. And for the waterproofness thing... I'm shocked Anyway... I don't mind.
SIX - I guess...
From those devices you mentioned the only one I can afford is the Xperia Z. I really can't pay more than that for a device.
So, do you think I should buy a low end device from this or last year like the moto g 2014? I'm scared of the 1GB of RAM.
I live in Spain and price is a bit high here in Europe. I can buy from Amazon.es/fr/de/it... but I think I only have two options: buy a low-end device with no support from community or an exflagship device with support like the Xperia Z. I also think having 2GB of RAM is important right? I can't spend more than 150€/$160... ad I guess I'm asking too much from a device for this price. I really appreciate your help.
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As an XZ owner i would definitely recommend you to go with Moto G2/3. Beside better camera there will be MM support for both the 2gen and 3gen Moto, while not for XZ.
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Isn't 1GB of RAM too low nowadays?
Akinaro said:
Buying today XZ is stupid... seriously.
When I bought my XZ price of Z1compact was almost the same and it still is, its 20$-30$ difference for most of time(New XZ cost about 180$ z1c 200$)
And for that price you can buy WAY better phones, starting from Galaxy S4 to LG G series. And you want to stick to Sony you can get even z1 or used z2
As far as I love this phone I would not recommend it to anyone, battery is below average, camera is worst than my old Arc S, and those cover flaps are pain in the A##
This is best example of phone that look good, but those small bugs in everyday usage make it annoying to use...
And yes I still use it :] Because after using new phones... I found out that most of them are the same: average battery, and looots of small bugs that make them annoying after some time. So I decide to change phones once per 3-4 years...
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Unfortunately I can't afford those devices. I barely can afford the Xperia Z because I found a good deal.
MultiPDev said:
Isn't 1GB of RAM too low nowadays?
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It all depends of usage but i wouldn't worry about it so much. Motorola comes with almost pure Android.
icrunchbanger said:
It all depends of usage but i wouldn't worry about it so much. Motorola comes with almost pure Android.
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Thanks, I'm considering the moto g 2.
MultiPDev said:
Thanks, I'm considering the moto g 2.
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Moto G (2nd generation) doesn't stand a chance to Xperia Z!
XZ has better specs, better screen, better CPU, more Ram, more internal memory ecc.
Yes, the Moto G (2nd generation) is being updated to Marshmallow but really with all the support from the Dev's we can still get unofficial AOSP Marshmallow Roms.
PS.: one more thing, I currently live in Italy and in big cities it is really easy to find used phones from people that sell them at a local website. I've been checking the prices for some time because I wanted to get a better phone and phones like the LG G3 go as low as 200 euro. Htc One M7 can be found for 150 euro in really good condition, one thing is that you don't have warranty, only if they give you the bill of the phone, then it is as you had bought it(be careful though not giving you a printed bill from the internet.) if you can live with that, that would get you a really good phone with low money.
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Moto G (2nd generation) doesn't stand a chance to Xperia Z!
XZ has better specs, better screen, better CPU, more Ram, more internal memory ecc.
Yes, the Moto G (2nd generation) is being updated to Marshmallow but really with all the support from the Dev's we can still get unofficial AOSP Marshmallow Roms.
PS.: one more thing, I currently live in Italy and in big cities it is really easy to find used phones from people that sell them at a local website. I've been checking the prices for some time because I wanted to get a better phone and phones like the LG G3 go as low as 200 euro. Htc One M7 can be found for 150 euro in really good condition, one thing is that you don't have warranty, only if they give you the bill of the phone, then it is as you had bought it(be careful though not giving you a printed bill from the internet.) if you can live with that, that would get you a really good phone with low money.
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Yeah, XZ specs are really impressive for me, but the problems mentioned worry me. The screen seems a bit poor to me from what I read. Maybe the Moto G has a better screen and battery(camera also? I doubt it). Anyway... the XZ is on its way and I can't wait to test it!!!
The biggest problem I have with buying a used phone from people is, aside from the warranty- which is also important, the fact that I can't return it if it doesn't satisfy me. Thank God for Amazon!! lol :victory:
Hey what about speakers sound?
Yeah amazon has its benefits.
Sound speakers? Hah! That tiny little thing that barely makes a sound? ?
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Yeah amazon has its benefits.
Sound speakers? Hah! That tiny little thing that barely makes a sound? ��
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Disappointing. It seems the device has lots of flaws.
MultiPDev said:
Unfortunately I can't afford those devices. I barely can afford the Xperia Z because I found a good deal.
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In that case welcome to the club
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In that case welcome to the club
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Thanks buddy I hope I stay here for long
aaronkatrini said:
What can I say...
FIRST- if you're buying it for $100 or less maybe it is till a good deal, otherwise maybe it is better to see at other low-to-mid-range
SECOND- yes, the performance is good, even better with lollipop, screen looks better now (maybe sonybravia got better, maybe because lollipop has more white in it and the white is being displayed better), but anyway you have to UNDERCLOCK it in order to get a decent battery life
THIRD- battery life is very disappointing, you HAVE to underclock it and root it and greenify it to get any good battery life, unless you can charge it every 12 hours
FOURTH - the device is getting older and so the interest in this device (im talking about support from devs)
FIFTH - the phone gets hot, like really really hot when you're using it playing games (unless you underclock it), and since the back cover is only a adhesive line, when it gets hotter with the help off the Nfc antenna (which is set to push against the backcover) the backcover gets up and looses its waterproofness
SIX- the flaps - the damn flaps- they're everywhere - and you need to open them every-time you charge the phone, put on the headphones, remove the sim, remove the microSD, and they tend to get loose with time especially the one of the charger since you need to charge it frequently
NOW... that I told you about it downsides, its not a bad phone nowdays, it has a big and very beautiful display, connectivity is like the best i've ever tried, performance is pretty good (cpu + gpu ), camera performs really well - especially in macro, dev support for now is good.
Overall for someone who has it I think it can take another one or two years, but I personally would not buy it unless I find it for cheap or cannot buy a used phone. Personally I would look into a HTC M8 or a LG G3, maybe even used.
You decide
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in my country a NEW xperia z costs around 280-300 euro, i think people still prefer it