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The thing about custom ROMs...

I've flashed a few custom ROMs + Kernels on my Nexus 7, but I always return to stock. I find stock JB to just be rock-solid, with great battery life.
I've found that most custom ROMs have some tiny issues, and they always bug me. Same with custom kernels. There's always an occasional crash here or there, or some unexpected jerkiness.
But I guess it's always a compromise. If you want features/performance, you'll have to live with bugs/lower battery life. But, being a Nexus, we'll get newer, feature-filled versions of Android right away!
So what about you guys? Do you feel that custom ROMs/kernels are lacking that perfection and finesse the stock ROM has? Or is your custom ROM completely stable with absolutely no bugs?

I love the custom ROMS. No complaints from me. I prefer some version of CM...usually AOKP. They are always upgrading it, so there are some small problems with it at times but I really enjoy it too much to complain or go back to stock. Don't get me wrong stock is very smooth with few problems.
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K3lthuzad said:
I've flashed a few custom ROMs + Kernels on my Nexus 7, but I always return to stock. I find stock JB to just be rock-solid, with great battery life.
I've found that most custom ROMs have some tiny issues, and they always bug me. Same with custom kernels. There's always an occasional crash here or there, or some unexpected jerkiness.
But I guess it's always a compromise. If you want features/performance, you'll have to live with bugs/lower battery life. But, being a Nexus, we'll get newer, feature-filled versions of Android right away!
So what about you guys? Do you feel that custom ROMs/kernels are lacking that perfection and finesse the stock ROM has? Or is your custom ROM completely stable with absolutely no bugs?
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I love the roms and never have problems with them. But i always end up back a stock. Even if the rom i m on :s fine
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Don't know what crap ROMs you've been using but all the ones I've ran were fine. Same goes with kernels.
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Nexus without custom roms . ohh my just sounds wrong.
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Don't know what crap ROMs you've been using but all the ones I've ran were fine. Same goes with kernels.
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I so agree with the above.. Also your opinion is welcome but due note that these developers are doing this as a community effort for FREE.. They improve our devices give us some things Google decided to leave out. Also im not sure you are aware of this or not . But often you will see some of the So called custom rom stuff injected into future GOOGLE STOCK ROMS... Google does watch the development community and use there code from time to time . My guess is alot more then they would tell...
Thanks Guys We love your Bleeding edge technology . We do appreciate everything...

Cyanogenmod works perfectly on both my phone and nexus 7. It's the best of both worlds really. Clean stock look but with a sprinkle of customization.
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You have to figure that 98% of us wouldn't be on this forum if we weren't using or interested in using custom ROMs.
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pre-Gingerbread --> custom ROM required
post-ICS --> stock is fine
My bootloader isn't even unlocked on my N7 and it's only unlocked on my GN so I can flash updates once OTA or images are posted.

I agree that all the roms are great. My favorite is PA, love that rom. But after a while i just feel like going back to stock. But then its not long before i am back on pa.
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I don't like custom Roms on devices that have the latest version of android available. I just root. Adding a custom kernel only makes things unstable.
My current ROM:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1892807
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ÜBER™ said:
Don't know what crap ROMs you've been using but all the ones I've ran were fine. Same goes with kernels.
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Denial.
My current ROM:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1892807

erica_renee said:
I so agree with the above.. Also your opinion is welcome but due note that these developers are doing this as a community effort for FREE.. They improve our devices give us some things Google decided to leave out. Also im not sure you are aware of this or not . But often you will see some of the So called custom rom stuff injected into future GOOGLE STOCK ROMS... Google does watch the development community and use there code from time to time . My guess is alot more then they would tell...
Thanks Guys We love your Bleeding edge technology . We do appreciate everything...
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I agree with the OP on ROMS, I haven't found one "better" than stock yet. Different yes, more/other customizations, yes. But so far not better. Yes, the devs do this for free, and for their own reasons. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't state our preferences. There are kernels that improve the device greatly, running one myself. But I've tried more than half a dozen custom ROMS and none gave me anything that would make me stick with it. Always went back to stock.
Not knocking all the hard work and effort. It's pretty amazing what some of these devs come up with, wish I had the knowledge and skills they have. Might try to pick up some basics, just so I understand more of everything involved with it. But I'm a system guy, not really a software dev.

Keep in mind we are nitpicking, custom features on new code it takes sometime implement them properly. I am rocking stock at the moment with stock recovery just cause Google is moving fast this time of year.
So take any bug with the custom Roms like this, yes it has more features, you may or may not be affected by bugs. If that bothers you then rock stock. Cause once cm hits stable that's when everything usually falls into place.
Just hopefully we can have less people posting silly complaints on in process releases. Go look in the Ubuntu thread, some user is just posting "its slow" or " there is no reason to use this" as if was a final product makes me smh
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Soldier-2Point0 said:
Denial.
My current ROM:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1892807
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Heh... I'm NOT in denial.
I haven't used a single ROM in the android development I only used ones from original development. Slim bean, eos, rasbean... all exceptional ROMs. Currently on rasbean and its by far the best for myself. Used trinity and Francos kernel have had better results with Francos, his is just about an optimised stockish kernel.
Always go with the people that know what they're doing. Not somebody who just builds aosp and throws some scripts and quadrant hacks to allude "speed"
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Nothing better than pure stock Android on a NEXUS device. Period.
It's different on a non nexus Device due to carrier's skins but on a NEXUS device come on people you know there's nothing better than pure stock.
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We shoul be lucky we have so many options for our Nexus 7, Stock ROM is rock stable and smooth , and to add to that we have almost 7-8 different custom ROMS which are also stable each with their own features and 3-4 different kernels to play with
I am flashing different ROM every 4-5 days
Play around people thats what I like about Android - complete control of your device and Nexus - quick latest stock updates and lots of custom development

Agreed, I prefer stock rom, but also I like to root it, and change fonts...

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Heh... I'm NOT in denial.
I haven't used a single ROM in the android development I only used ones from original development. Slim bean, eos, rasbean... all exceptional ROMs. Currently on rasbean and its by far the best for myself. Used trinity and Francos kernel have had better results with Francos, his is just about an optimised stockish kernel.
Always go with the people that know what they're doing. Not somebody who just builds aosp and throws some scripts and quadrant hacks to allude "speed"
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How are the latest build of rasbean. I only used build one or two.
Any chance you can link me to them?
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I'm not too into the roms in android development either, the ones in original development are pretty damn good though and eclipse Rom is really fast, I was into the stock only phase till 4.1.2 and imo development seem a lot better and roms just seemed actually faster than stock to me, rasbean, eclipse, pa, and bugless beast seem to do the trick for me
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Well you obviously haven't tried the RasBeanjelly ROM from rascarlo. When you try that one and the latest Trinity D-07 kernel, then you can talk about going back to Stock ROM.

leelaa said:
How are the latest build of rasbean. I only used build one or two.
Any chance you can link me to them?
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http://fitsnugly.euroskank.com/?rom=rasbeanjelly&device=grouper
But no tablet UI, so no good for me. Great apart from that!
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Fast and Very Light ROM

Hi,
I'm looking for a fast and light ROM. I have a Nexus 4 now so my tablet is pretty much just used for taking notes at University and watching the occasional YouTube video.
I looked and managed to find AOKP M6 Slim, however this seems to be discontinued and as a result, outdated.
If installing a more feature-heavy ROM and removing features is viable, could someone point me in the right direction to do that?
Thanks in advance.

codefireX.
Best ROM available, performance wise.
Still very rich in features and customization. Includes option to turn off nearly all aftermarket customizations and features, besides performance ones.
I highly suggest pairing with motley kernel.
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Cm10.1
Super close to stock. They're really up on responsible coding. Nothing that goes against AOSP. All about just working.
I usually go in through titanium backup and remove programs I don't need
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I like Paranoid Android but you are going to get a different response from everyone. PA runs really smooth for me. It is not as feature filled as a lot of the other roms but gives some nice customization options. PIE control is also really nice as it allows you to take advantage of the entire screen.
The bottom line is that the only way to find the best ROM for you is to do some research and flash a few different ones. Try them for a few days and then switch if you are not pleased/get bored.

liquid smooth
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Rasbean. But that's the benefit of owning a nexus, you have so many options.
But I'm pretty positive once you flash rasbean, you won't flash anything else. I would advise flashing other roms first and then go to rasbean. You'll notice the difference.
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Carbon is smooth and customizable. My new favorite
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I love that everyone posted a different ROM.

I fell in love with Xylon, it has A TON of features and customizations. I think it borrows (kang) popular features from a lot of ROMs and all the features are optional. Not to mention the ROM is super fast and smooth which I wouldn't expect from A ROM with so many features.
I personally use the custom faux kernel with it, makes the ROM that much slicker, and my battery lasts for an entire day.
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To all Cm 10.1 users
I'm on stock ROM 4.2.2 , it's pretty fast stable and battery life is much much better than my previous phone GS3.
CM10.1 was unstable on GS3 and had alot of bugs.
Any annoying bugs on Cm10.1 for N4?
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uronfire said:
To all Cm 10.1 users
I'm on stock ROM 4.2.2 , it's pretty fast stable and battery life is much much better than my previous phone GS3.
CM10.1 was unstable on GS3 and had alot of bugs.
Any annoying bugs on Cm10.1 for N4?
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The bugs on the Samsung are due to the difficulty obtaining sources from Samsung. No such problem on the Nexus, and CyanogenMod is as stable as stock and you get the extra features to boot.
ALL of the roms for the Nexus 4 are fast because the phone is fast. I doubt anyone could tell the difference without running benchmarks so you should really just try a few and make a choice based on which feature set you like.
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dr.m0x said:
The bugs on the Samsung are due to the difficulty obtaining sources from Samsung. No such problem on the Nexus, and CyanogenMod is as stable as stock and you get the extra features to boot.
ALL of the roms for the Nexus 4 are fast because the phone is fast. I doubt anyone could tell the difference without running benchmarks so you should really just try a few and make a choice based on which feature set you like.
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You sir are correct. CM10 on Nexus 4 is the best combination of lightweight and customisable so far that I've seen.

This is borderline a "which is the best ROM" thread and we all know how those turn out. Every ROM I've ever seen claims to be "light and fast" either directly or indirectly..
To the OP.. There are piles and piles of people making ROMs and kernels for this phone. It's one of the most active development communites I've seen in ages. Take advantage of it! No one can pick one for you.. Drop by the development forums, read, read, then read some more.. Pick 5 ROMs that sound up your alley and give them a try.. I'd suggest a ROM a week until you find one you are satisfied with.
Goodluck and enjoy your Nexus!

Best part about coming to a Nexus forum is being confused about what ROM to flash. Always so many great ones to choose from. lol. :laugh:

So damn true, there are so many ROM's from so many great developers you do really get lost even when going through all of the topics.
So the best bet would be to try it for yourself and flash a few ROM's until you find the one you like.
P.S - this phone is so quick so i doubt really anyone can find a difference in performance between Rom's.
Have fun

^ there is a difference but I feel it lies within the individual kernels. I've been testing kernels for about two weeks and find myself always coming back to trinity 97, even with 4.2.2 its smooth and battery life is insane. I've bounced from ROM to ROM and find xylon the smoothest. Once rasbean goes 4.2.2 I'll give it a shot. There are so many Roms and they are all *good. *everyone has their opinions and all the devs here put a lot of work and time in and all deserve the respect they get. As far as a “light" ROM goes slim bean would be the lightest coming in at under 110mb zip file, then you'll need gapps and they have minimal gapps available at around 25mb.

partylikeaninjastar said:
I love that everyone posted a different ROM.
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Hence, why these threads are so pointless.
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Roms etc. to check out?

Howdy.
Took advantage of the latest google offer to get myself a Nexus 4 - my Razr i just had literally no development and a lot of apps wouldn't even run due to x86 architecture! Arggh!
So anyway, mine is arriving soon (hopefully) and I'd like some pointers on what to check out first - Cyanogen is always worth considering of course
I mainly look for a good kernal to save me power but not skimp out on horse power when needed - a good deep sleep/idle function
Also a lightweight rom which is very snappy, I'm sure I'll find some roms to love based on the sheer amount of development on this section! Send your suggestions in and I'll be sure to check them out! :good::good::good:

mrapoc said:
Howdy.
Took advantage of the latest google offer to get myself a Nexus 4 - my Razr i just had literally no development and a lot of apps wouldn't even run due to x86 architecture! Arggh!
So anyway, mine is arriving soon (hopefully) and I'd like some pointers on what to check out first - Cyanogen is always worth considering of course
I mainly look for a good kernal to save me power but not skimp out on horse power when needed - a good deep sleep/idle function
Also a lightweight rom which is very snappy, I'm sure I'll find some roms to love based on the sheer amount of development on this section! Send your suggestions in and I'll be sure to check them out! :good::good::good:
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First, Franco kernel is amazing ! make sure to set governor CPU on "interactive" and GPU on "ondemand".
MBQ_'s Vanir is by far the snappiest i'v experienced (and I have flashed dem roms ).
Me personally, I find Stock + Franco to work the best.

nathan96 said:
First, Franco kernel is amazing ! make sure to set governor CPU on "interactive" and GPU on "ondemand".
MBQ_'s Vanir is by far the snappiest i'v experienced (and I have flashed dem roms ).
Me personally, I find Stock + Franco to work the best.
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Awesome I'll make sure to check it out! Obviously each rom is going to be good for different things but having never owned a nexus device I'm usually romming to get rid of bloatware from motorola/HTC etc. so I suppose the advantages are usually additional features for nexus devices

mrapoc said:
Awesome I'll make sure to check it out! Obviously each rom is going to be good for different things but having never owned a nexus device I'm usually romming to get rid of bloatware from motorola/HTC etc. so I suppose the advantages are usually additional features for nexus devices
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Exactly Best rom the has a lot of features, while maintaining preformance, stability and battery life is deffinatly Paranoid Android. They do amazing innovation in the Android field. Im flashing latest PA build as we speak.

nathan96 said:
Exactly Best rom the has a lot of features, while maintaining preformance, stability and battery life is deffinatly Paranoid Android. They do amazing innovation in the Android field. Im flashing latest PA build as we speak.
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Sounds great
Put it this way, i went from HTC desire where I could change roms weekly - finally settling on oxygen which was totally stock android and great
Then Razr i - it took 7 months or something to even get jelly bean, 0 roms and now we finally have like two to choose from? They are good in terms of i'm not a developer and i appreciate what they do, but both are riddled with bugs

mrapoc said:
Sounds great
Put it this way, i went from HTC desire where I could change roms weekly - finally settling on oxygen which was totally stock android and great
Then Razr i - it took 7 months or something to even get jelly bean, 0 roms and now we finally have like two to choose from? They are good in terms of i'm not a developer and i appreciate what they do, but both are riddled with bugs
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Well, you are going to enjoy the Nexus experience
Wellcome!

Saves me the hassle of creating a thread like this.
So I guess my nexus ( which will hopefully arrive later) will be getting PA.
Do I unlock the bootloader with "fastboot OEM unlock" to flash custom recoveries etc? I come from a HTC phone so forgive if this question sounds stupid to you
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Oxious119 said:
Saves me the hassle of creating a thread like this.
So I guess my nexus ( which will hopefully arrive later) will be getting PA.
Do I unlock the bootloader with "fastboot OEM unlock" to flash custom recoveries etc? I come from a HTC phone so forgive if this question sounds stupid to you
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Glad it can be of help - i dont want to take away from other developers of roms, but a starting place is always handy especially considering the sheer amount of development this phone has!
Anyway, i'll be following this guide when I get mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGZuxeTvWhY
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n0In32vjxIg

I've never really liked PA because of the different modes (phone, phablet, tablet, etc) would make if hard to modify everything easily for me (but thats cause i dont like phablet or tablet modes, prefer stock phone style)... Im using crDroid and it runs great with purified kernel. Ive tried Vanir and that one also was pretty good
You should do what i did, flash a few and test them out. They all have different variations of features...

pottyvick said:
I've never really liked PA because of the different modes (phone, phablet, tablet, etc) would make if hard to modify everything easily for me (but thats cause i dont like phablet or tablet modes, prefer stock phone style)... Im using crDroid and it runs great with purified kernel. Ive tried Vanir and that one also was pretty good
You should do what i did, flash a few and test them out. They all have different variations of features...
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Yeh I'm looking for a shortlist of the best of the best really

mrapoc said:
Yeh I'm looking for a shortlist of the best of the best really
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And you have them... PA, crDroid, and Vanir to start...

Welcome!
I love customizing everything, so from the beginning I was on AOKP. Loved it but i think it was a little heavier than necessary..
after that I used Xylon - ( now Uxylon) which was awesome, smooth and fast, plenty of features.. but its still 4.2.2, so I had to leave it behind eventually.
Currently I'm on Slim Rom Beta, 4.3 and I'm loving it. So give it a try!

Rocking Purity & AK kernel today and loving it

Most of the roms are good in their own way...
if you want speed or customization...

Slimbean is great and of course psx
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You can also check a thread in general about a poll on which rom people are using. i mean, just based from that, you can have the number of nexus 4 users, what the best rom in common people use (you wouldn't know your best if you hadn't tried the others right?) and just a few mods also you can use that will give you what you want. Just have fun in the mako forum and all the best mate :good:

Rasbeanjelly and PSX are great if you are looking for a pure and latest AOSP experience.
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Vanir, PSX, Rasbean
neo kernel, faux kernel, Hells core, AK JSS
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Got the phone, unlocked, flashed latest pa and xposed. I'm very satisfied so far. My HTC one s didn't come close to this at all.
Now I have 2 questions. What's this JSS and JWW all about?
And can anyone recommend a kernel for PA?
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Carbon

Let the RomGames begin!!

So I know its just out and google needs to release the 4.4 code, but aren't we all exited for ROMS!!!!!! So let the developers start doing their magic and giving it to us on the nexus 5...
What ROM are you most exited to see, and what are your most favourite features about the Nexus 5 and Android 4.4.
Happy posting
Don't forget, if you choose other, tell us which Rom you are looking forward to!!
NOTE!!! 1. I didn't have a nexus 4, so i don't know all the Roms and everything about them, and I own an S4 I9500, so you can know how I fell about custom Roms :/
2. I AM NOT SAYING ONE ROM IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER. This is just asking for opinions on what are you exited to see the most.

looking forward to some Paranoid Android custom DPI settings whoooooo

Looking forward to cm
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DU for life!! @Mazda :highfive:

CM is moving away from their original direction :sad:
never has been a fan of PA. Tried it a million times, but phone performance is just annoying. Right now i'm reverting back to stock from PA on my N4, because it freezes at least once every hour.
I guess I'll go with stock.

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DU for life!! @Mazda :highfive:
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Thats a new Rom for me, seems badass!!
Problem is that for my I9000 I had tons of Roms then I got the I9500 and was disappointed in the lack of Roms....Hopefully Nexus 5 will have tons of them!!

RasBean or Saber for me.
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Cyan or Carbon.
I honestly don't like any of the others. Loved Cyan on my N1, and NS. Loved Carbon on my N4. Can't wait to see what they're both like on the N5.
Cyan is mostly stable, and coming with less features. And Carbon is like the younger CM(mostly stable, with tons of features).

be good to see what direction PA is going to go as they said starting 4.4 they were changing direction at how they do things

wngmv said:
CM is moving away from their original direction :sad:
never has been a fan of PA. Tried it a million times, but phone performance is just annoying. Right now i'm reverting back to stock from PA on my N4, because it freezes at least once every hour.
I guess I'll go with stock.
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be good to see what direction PA is going to go as they said starting 4.4 they were changing direction at how they do things
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Thats the first I heard of this about PA seems like a pretty great Rom, hope they will fix any problems they have.

nabil alami said:
Thats the first I heard of this about PA seems like a pretty great Rom, hope they will fix any problems they have.
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PA is a great ROM imo never had any performance issues either in my case. used to be a flashaloic swell but stuck with it for ages

Roxas598 said:
PA is a great ROM imo never had any performance issues either in my case. used to be a flashaloic swell but stuck with it for ages
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This page was made for Flashaholics....HAHA

I have MIUI on my N4 atm.
Dont know if they will have a ROM for the N5 so I´ll try Carbon for my first time (heard a loft of good things about it)

You actually are saying which ROM is better. Why would anyone be "excited" for a inferior ROM?
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Any big name ROMs for this phone yet?

I'm looking but I can't seem to find any working big name roms like Cyanogenmod, AOKP, Paranoid Andoid, or Slimbean ROMs for the AT&T s5.
Am I missing them or are they truly unavailable?

Have you been in a cave...LOL...Just Kidding. Welcome to the new At&t Samsung way. LOCKED BOOTLOADER
FOREVER.
Unless we some how get a Loki workaround, we will never have custom kernels.
Big Name ROM? Lets give credit to the devs we do have - giving their time for our device and only TouchWiz.

Damn...I just found out about towelroot and I was so excited about finally being able to wipe my phone clean with a cool big new rom. No offence to the little devs, but it's just not the same, ya know?

Tattered said:
Damn...I just found out about towelroot and I was so excited about finally being able to wipe my phone clean with a cool big new rom. No offence to the little devs, but it's just not the same, ya know?
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Nah I don't know
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Give visix a try...May not be a big name as you put it, but the devs are very active, already on version 3.0. Very smooth, good battery life, I personally like it very much.

Tattered said:
Damn...I just found out about towelroot and I was so excited about finally being able to wipe my phone clean with a cool big new rom. No offence to the little devs, but it's just not the same, ya know?
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I'm thankful for the devs who are giving their time, but I look for roms with the features I want and need, not by who the developer is. Let's help these guys become "big devs" by supporting their work.

My point is, all of the ROMs available look and function pretty much exactly like stock except they have bugs. Big name ROMs have tons of features and few bugs as well as completely changing up the stock experience. It's a shame, but I'm just going to go back to stock because all of the ROMs out now are (to me) no different than stock and filled with bugs.

Tattered said:
My point is, all of the ROMs available look and function pretty much exactly like stock except they have bugs. Big name ROMs have tons of features and few bugs as well as completely changing up the stock experience. It's a shame, but I'm just going to go back to stock because all of the ROMs out now are (to me) no different than stock and filled with bugs.
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Not true, Vision is stock all the way, I just changed the stock look a little, everything works PERFECT. I agree, you start modding the phone with a bunch of non-needed mods that btw, xposed can handle, it tends to have issues. This exactly why I built Vision, for this purpose.
Give it a try. You will not be disappointed.:good:
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peaster3 said:
I'm thankful for the devs who are giving their time, but I look for roms with the features I want and need, not by who the developer is. Let's help these guys become "big devs" by supporting their work.
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+1, thats how it works...:good:

Tattered said:
My point is, all of the ROMs available look and function pretty much exactly like stock except they have bugs. Big name ROMs have tons of features and few bugs as well as completely changing up the stock experience. It's a shame, but I'm just going to go back to stock because all of the ROMs out now are (to me) no different than stock and filled with bugs.
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I don't understand how one can say CM or any AOSP or AOKP Rom are bug free if that was the case then why nightlies? I've flashed MANY AOSP Roms on my S2 S3 and S 4 and never found one "bug free". Now development is just beginning for the AT&T S5 and whether there's a loki exploit or something like it remains to be seen, however, there will be and already are themers and modders working to give us choices.
I prefer T/W for the stability and and really "bug free" experience. Hence no need for nightlies.
"No soup for you!Come back one year!!"
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Tattered said:
I'm looking but I can't seem to find any working big name roms like Cyanogenmod, AOKP, Paranoid Andoid, or Slimbean ROMs for the AT&T s5.
Am I missing them or are they truly unavailable?
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I'm curious, what exactly is a "Big Name" ROM? I have been Devin for a long time AOSP, AOKP, CM, SENSE, and currently TouchWiz (which by the way is actually very stable model or not). There isn't even a stock oob firmware without bugs if there was there would be no updates or patches from oem.
I appreciate your wanting a highly themed ROM however, during early stages most devs look to take care of opening things up and enabling what was removed or disabled. Personally I leave the heavy modding and style changes to the themers.
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