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I've flashed a few custom ROMs + Kernels on my Nexus 7, but I always return to stock. I find stock JB to just be rock-solid, with great battery life.
I've found that most custom ROMs have some tiny issues, and they always bug me. Same with custom kernels. There's always an occasional crash here or there, or some unexpected jerkiness.
But I guess it's always a compromise. If you want features/performance, you'll have to live with bugs/lower battery life. But, being a Nexus, we'll get newer, feature-filled versions of Android right away!
So what about you guys? Do you feel that custom ROMs/kernels are lacking that perfection and finesse the stock ROM has? Or is your custom ROM completely stable with absolutely no bugs?
I love the custom ROMS. No complaints from me. I prefer some version of CM...usually AOKP. They are always upgrading it, so there are some small problems with it at times but I really enjoy it too much to complain or go back to stock. Don't get me wrong stock is very smooth with few problems.
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K3lthuzad said:
I've flashed a few custom ROMs + Kernels on my Nexus 7, but I always return to stock. I find stock JB to just be rock-solid, with great battery life.
I've found that most custom ROMs have some tiny issues, and they always bug me. Same with custom kernels. There's always an occasional crash here or there, or some unexpected jerkiness.
But I guess it's always a compromise. If you want features/performance, you'll have to live with bugs/lower battery life. But, being a Nexus, we'll get newer, feature-filled versions of Android right away!
So what about you guys? Do you feel that custom ROMs/kernels are lacking that perfection and finesse the stock ROM has? Or is your custom ROM completely stable with absolutely no bugs?
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I love the roms and never have problems with them. But i always end up back a stock. Even if the rom i m on :s fine
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Don't know what crap ROMs you've been using but all the ones I've ran were fine. Same goes with kernels.
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Nexus without custom roms . ohh my just sounds wrong.
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Don't know what crap ROMs you've been using but all the ones I've ran were fine. Same goes with kernels.
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I so agree with the above.. Also your opinion is welcome but due note that these developers are doing this as a community effort for FREE.. They improve our devices give us some things Google decided to leave out. Also im not sure you are aware of this or not . But often you will see some of the So called custom rom stuff injected into future GOOGLE STOCK ROMS... Google does watch the development community and use there code from time to time . My guess is alot more then they would tell...
Thanks Guys We love your Bleeding edge technology . We do appreciate everything...
Cyanogenmod works perfectly on both my phone and nexus 7. It's the best of both worlds really. Clean stock look but with a sprinkle of customization.
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You have to figure that 98% of us wouldn't be on this forum if we weren't using or interested in using custom ROMs.
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pre-Gingerbread --> custom ROM required
post-ICS --> stock is fine
My bootloader isn't even unlocked on my N7 and it's only unlocked on my GN so I can flash updates once OTA or images are posted.
I agree that all the roms are great. My favorite is PA, love that rom. But after a while i just feel like going back to stock. But then its not long before i am back on pa.
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I don't like custom Roms on devices that have the latest version of android available. I just root. Adding a custom kernel only makes things unstable.
My current ROM:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1892807
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Don't know what crap ROMs you've been using but all the ones I've ran were fine. Same goes with kernels.
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Denial.
My current ROM:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1892807
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I so agree with the above.. Also your opinion is welcome but due note that these developers are doing this as a community effort for FREE.. They improve our devices give us some things Google decided to leave out. Also im not sure you are aware of this or not . But often you will see some of the So called custom rom stuff injected into future GOOGLE STOCK ROMS... Google does watch the development community and use there code from time to time . My guess is alot more then they would tell...
Thanks Guys We love your Bleeding edge technology . We do appreciate everything...
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I agree with the OP on ROMS, I haven't found one "better" than stock yet. Different yes, more/other customizations, yes. But so far not better. Yes, the devs do this for free, and for their own reasons. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't state our preferences. There are kernels that improve the device greatly, running one myself. But I've tried more than half a dozen custom ROMS and none gave me anything that would make me stick with it. Always went back to stock.
Not knocking all the hard work and effort. It's pretty amazing what some of these devs come up with, wish I had the knowledge and skills they have. Might try to pick up some basics, just so I understand more of everything involved with it. But I'm a system guy, not really a software dev.
Keep in mind we are nitpicking, custom features on new code it takes sometime implement them properly. I am rocking stock at the moment with stock recovery just cause Google is moving fast this time of year.
So take any bug with the custom Roms like this, yes it has more features, you may or may not be affected by bugs. If that bothers you then rock stock. Cause once cm hits stable that's when everything usually falls into place.
Just hopefully we can have less people posting silly complaints on in process releases. Go look in the Ubuntu thread, some user is just posting "its slow" or " there is no reason to use this" as if was a final product makes me smh
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Denial.
My current ROM:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1892807
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Heh... I'm NOT in denial.
I haven't used a single ROM in the android development I only used ones from original development. Slim bean, eos, rasbean... all exceptional ROMs. Currently on rasbean and its by far the best for myself. Used trinity and Francos kernel have had better results with Francos, his is just about an optimised stockish kernel.
Always go with the people that know what they're doing. Not somebody who just builds aosp and throws some scripts and quadrant hacks to allude "speed"
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Nothing better than pure stock Android on a NEXUS device. Period.
It's different on a non nexus Device due to carrier's skins but on a NEXUS device come on people you know there's nothing better than pure stock.
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We shoul be lucky we have so many options for our Nexus 7, Stock ROM is rock stable and smooth , and to add to that we have almost 7-8 different custom ROMS which are also stable each with their own features and 3-4 different kernels to play with
I am flashing different ROM every 4-5 days
Play around people thats what I like about Android - complete control of your device and Nexus - quick latest stock updates and lots of custom development
Agreed, I prefer stock rom, but also I like to root it, and change fonts...
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Heh... I'm NOT in denial.
I haven't used a single ROM in the android development I only used ones from original development. Slim bean, eos, rasbean... all exceptional ROMs. Currently on rasbean and its by far the best for myself. Used trinity and Francos kernel have had better results with Francos, his is just about an optimised stockish kernel.
Always go with the people that know what they're doing. Not somebody who just builds aosp and throws some scripts and quadrant hacks to allude "speed"
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How are the latest build of rasbean. I only used build one or two.
Any chance you can link me to them?
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I'm not too into the roms in android development either, the ones in original development are pretty damn good though and eclipse Rom is really fast, I was into the stock only phase till 4.1.2 and imo development seem a lot better and roms just seemed actually faster than stock to me, rasbean, eclipse, pa, and bugless beast seem to do the trick for me
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Well you obviously haven't tried the RasBeanjelly ROM from rascarlo. When you try that one and the latest Trinity D-07 kernel, then you can talk about going back to Stock ROM.
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How are the latest build of rasbean. I only used build one or two.
Any chance you can link me to them?
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http://fitsnugly.euroskank.com/?rom=rasbeanjelly&device=grouper
But no tablet UI, so no good for me. Great apart from that!
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Howdy.
Took advantage of the latest google offer to get myself a Nexus 4 - my Razr i just had literally no development and a lot of apps wouldn't even run due to x86 architecture! Arggh!
So anyway, mine is arriving soon (hopefully) and I'd like some pointers on what to check out first - Cyanogen is always worth considering of course
I mainly look for a good kernal to save me power but not skimp out on horse power when needed - a good deep sleep/idle function
Also a lightweight rom which is very snappy, I'm sure I'll find some roms to love based on the sheer amount of development on this section! Send your suggestions in and I'll be sure to check them out! :good::good::good:
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Howdy.
Took advantage of the latest google offer to get myself a Nexus 4 - my Razr i just had literally no development and a lot of apps wouldn't even run due to x86 architecture! Arggh!
So anyway, mine is arriving soon (hopefully) and I'd like some pointers on what to check out first - Cyanogen is always worth considering of course
I mainly look for a good kernal to save me power but not skimp out on horse power when needed - a good deep sleep/idle function
Also a lightweight rom which is very snappy, I'm sure I'll find some roms to love based on the sheer amount of development on this section! Send your suggestions in and I'll be sure to check them out! :good::good::good:
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First, Franco kernel is amazing ! make sure to set governor CPU on "interactive" and GPU on "ondemand".
MBQ_'s Vanir is by far the snappiest i'v experienced (and I have flashed dem roms ).
Me personally, I find Stock + Franco to work the best.
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First, Franco kernel is amazing ! make sure to set governor CPU on "interactive" and GPU on "ondemand".
MBQ_'s Vanir is by far the snappiest i'v experienced (and I have flashed dem roms ).
Me personally, I find Stock + Franco to work the best.
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Awesome I'll make sure to check it out! Obviously each rom is going to be good for different things but having never owned a nexus device I'm usually romming to get rid of bloatware from motorola/HTC etc. so I suppose the advantages are usually additional features for nexus devices
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Awesome I'll make sure to check it out! Obviously each rom is going to be good for different things but having never owned a nexus device I'm usually romming to get rid of bloatware from motorola/HTC etc. so I suppose the advantages are usually additional features for nexus devices
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Exactly Best rom the has a lot of features, while maintaining preformance, stability and battery life is deffinatly Paranoid Android. They do amazing innovation in the Android field. Im flashing latest PA build as we speak.
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Exactly Best rom the has a lot of features, while maintaining preformance, stability and battery life is deffinatly Paranoid Android. They do amazing innovation in the Android field. Im flashing latest PA build as we speak.
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Sounds great
Put it this way, i went from HTC desire where I could change roms weekly - finally settling on oxygen which was totally stock android and great
Then Razr i - it took 7 months or something to even get jelly bean, 0 roms and now we finally have like two to choose from? They are good in terms of i'm not a developer and i appreciate what they do, but both are riddled with bugs
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Sounds great
Put it this way, i went from HTC desire where I could change roms weekly - finally settling on oxygen which was totally stock android and great
Then Razr i - it took 7 months or something to even get jelly bean, 0 roms and now we finally have like two to choose from? They are good in terms of i'm not a developer and i appreciate what they do, but both are riddled with bugs
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Well, you are going to enjoy the Nexus experience
Wellcome!
Saves me the hassle of creating a thread like this.
So I guess my nexus ( which will hopefully arrive later) will be getting PA.
Do I unlock the bootloader with "fastboot OEM unlock" to flash custom recoveries etc? I come from a HTC phone so forgive if this question sounds stupid to you
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Saves me the hassle of creating a thread like this.
So I guess my nexus ( which will hopefully arrive later) will be getting PA.
Do I unlock the bootloader with "fastboot OEM unlock" to flash custom recoveries etc? I come from a HTC phone so forgive if this question sounds stupid to you
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Glad it can be of help - i dont want to take away from other developers of roms, but a starting place is always handy especially considering the sheer amount of development this phone has!
Anyway, i'll be following this guide when I get mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGZuxeTvWhY
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n0In32vjxIg
I've never really liked PA because of the different modes (phone, phablet, tablet, etc) would make if hard to modify everything easily for me (but thats cause i dont like phablet or tablet modes, prefer stock phone style)... Im using crDroid and it runs great with purified kernel. Ive tried Vanir and that one also was pretty good
You should do what i did, flash a few and test them out. They all have different variations of features...
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I've never really liked PA because of the different modes (phone, phablet, tablet, etc) would make if hard to modify everything easily for me (but thats cause i dont like phablet or tablet modes, prefer stock phone style)... Im using crDroid and it runs great with purified kernel. Ive tried Vanir and that one also was pretty good
You should do what i did, flash a few and test them out. They all have different variations of features...
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Yeh I'm looking for a shortlist of the best of the best really
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Yeh I'm looking for a shortlist of the best of the best really
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And you have them... PA, crDroid, and Vanir to start...
Welcome!
I love customizing everything, so from the beginning I was on AOKP. Loved it but i think it was a little heavier than necessary..
after that I used Xylon - ( now Uxylon) which was awesome, smooth and fast, plenty of features.. but its still 4.2.2, so I had to leave it behind eventually.
Currently I'm on Slim Rom Beta, 4.3 and I'm loving it. So give it a try!
Rocking Purity & AK kernel today and loving it
Most of the roms are good in their own way...
if you want speed or customization...
Slimbean is great and of course psx
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You can also check a thread in general about a poll on which rom people are using. i mean, just based from that, you can have the number of nexus 4 users, what the best rom in common people use (you wouldn't know your best if you hadn't tried the others right?) and just a few mods also you can use that will give you what you want. Just have fun in the mako forum and all the best mate :good:
Rasbeanjelly and PSX are great if you are looking for a pure and latest AOSP experience.
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Vanir, PSX, Rasbean
neo kernel, faux kernel, Hells core, AK JSS
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Got the phone, unlocked, flashed latest pa and xposed. I'm very satisfied so far. My HTC one s didn't come close to this at all.
Now I have 2 questions. What's this JSS and JWW all about?
And can anyone recommend a kernel for PA?
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I'm an aosp guy. For some reason TW is just wrong in my mind. As a Galaxy S4 users go, Sprint users kind of get the shaft on a lot of cool builds but luckily the whole merging business has made that easier to deal with. That said "plain" CM is not enough.I like all the customizing, and man do I spend my time on all kinds of cool features.
I don't really want to flash a ton of different ROMs, but sometimes I want to try something new out. But man there will be an awesome ROM that does EVERYTHING. And then it just fundamentally doesn't actually work. Nobody has that problem but you or the dev tells you its your fault, or someone is telling you not to ***** and use the stable. Backing up flashing settling in repeat.
So I'm on aicp and it works. And well. And has tons of the expected features. Maybe you like what you are using or this doesn't change your mind about how you feel. But man.
Churchey360 has been putting up quite a few ROMs lately, under the radar. And man am I happy right now. Until next flash anyway
Most tw users respect aosp
I hate how aosp users never respect tw at all
Everyone has their own preference don't bash on it
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Nothing against aosp.. but CMs KK sucks... its garbage! I look at the thread daily to check and see if CM has released anything tasty.... but no! Just pages and pages of " this doesnt work " ...and " blah blah FCs.. , no sound...no signal....no.mms....exc exc.....they fix one thing just to break 2 other things......
I ALWAYS used CM when i have my EVO and HTC HERO.. CM was always the way to go.... but now? 4 and 5 months worth of nightlies and not a.single damn one is 100000% flawless..
On the other hand, i. Have tried other aosp roms that are CM based and they are just fine!!! Beanstalk, liquid....exc exc... all CM based and work amazing! Id use one of these roms if you perfer CM over TW...
FLAME me if you will.. but today TW is the way to go..
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..oh sorry i didnt add....thank churchey for adding more aosp roms... hopefully you and a few folks here can get together and mold these roms into dailys!
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Nothing against aosp.. but CMs KK sucks... its garbage! I look at the thread daily to check and see if CM has released anything tasty.... but no! Just pages and pages of " this doesnt work " ...and " blah blah FCs.. , no sound...no signal....no.mms....exc exc.....they fix one thing just to break 2 other things......
I ALWAYS used CM when i have my EVO and HTC HERO.. CM was always the way to go.... but now? 4 and 5 months worth of nightlies and not a.single damn one is 100000% flawless..
On the other hand, i. Have tried other aosp roms that are CM based and they are just fine!!! Beanstalk, liquid....exc exc... all CM based and work amazing! Id use one of these roms if you perfer CM over TW...
FLAME me if you will.. but today TW is the way to go..
]..oh sorry i didnt add....thank churchey for adding more aosp roms... hopefully you and a few folks here can get together and mold these roms into dailys!
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yeah man this wasn't in defense of CM, I was actually saying that CM is just not for me because it doesn't have as much features as countless other roms do. And yet, its still way more stable than say, Beanstalk KK (which I LOVED on 4.3, but now doesn't give us prebuilt nightlies and netflix never work), or Vanir (which never worked perfectly, and now doesn't work at all).
Also this wasn't meant to bash TW. I'm very aware of how people swear by it, and if you like it, thats on you. This post wasn't about TW vs AOSP, but how I'm finally happy to have an AOSP rom on KK that I can relax with. Honest! :angel:
Definitely did hit the thanks and rated. Unfortunately I'm not able to actually post in the dev forums to tell him.
No..i hear ya.. im not gung ho for either.. i was just saying how in MY past , CM was the shizzil... now today with KK, and even JB, it is HARD to find a flawless CM rom... not CM BASED, but CM itself... same goes with MIUI too.. in the GB and ICS versions, it was neat, now your licky to get it to boot.....But this could all be to the new codes and strings.. not sure.. i wasnt banging any particular rom or dev, just CM in general.. hell im glad somebody here knows what they are doing because if i tried to release a rom, there would be a crap load of BRICKS !
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Nothing against aosp.. but CMs KK sucks... its garbage! I look at the thread daily to check and see if CM has released anything tasty.... but no! Just pages and pages of " this doesnt work " ...and " blah blah FCs.. , no sound...no signal....no.mms....exc exc.....they fix one thing just to break 2 other things......
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This has always been my experience with CM, from the EVO to the S2, S3, S4, and Note 8. Some of the CM-based ROMs are pretty good, but none are unfortunately as good as TW. Truth be told, I have no issues with TW.
If you want an aosp rom that works out of the box, try SlimKat.
Everything works the way is supposed to, no bugs, and it has lots of options for customization... Just look at the thread , there are not that many posts because everything works, no complaints.
Can't say SlimKat has really filled my needs as much as some others, and for some reason on the S4 the dpi isn't as easy to deal with as it was on the E4GT. But I definitely get the appeal, it's pretty solid.
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This has always been my experience with CM, from the EVO to the S2, S3, S4, and Note 8. Some of the CM-based ROMs are pretty good, but none are unfortunately as good as TW. Truth be told, I have no issues with TW.
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Yeah, It's not like I haven't tried it. If it was genuinely something I wanted to be into, I definitely would have stuck with it. But I just find AOSP roms to be a more fluid experience for me. TW hadn't shown me any significant advantage.
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If you want an aosp rom that works out of the box, try SlimKat.
Everything works the way is supposed to, no bugs, and it has lots of options for customization... Just look at the thread , there are not that many posts because everything works, no complaints.
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Can't say SlimKat has really filled my needs as much as some others, and for some reason on the S4 the dpi isn't as easy to deal with as it was on the E4GT. But I definitely get the appeal, it's pretty solid.
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I am on the same page as op, I DO like TW, but I like customizations more. I've tested most roms out (TW & AoSP based), slimkat is solid.. no issues with that rom at all (aside from theme support). I then tested AiCP, wow, that rom is 100% perfect for me. I am not a heavy BT user so that issue hasent affected me but my S4 will stay on AiCP until theres a TW build that supports all those features
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Quickly turned into a best rom thread, which we do not allow here as they attract unnecessary arguments.
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Is it just me or have the custom ROMs gotten boring. All of them are the same now. There is nothing really setting them apart anymore they all have the same features the same ui. Yes I know its KitKat but it really. Where is the difference.
Make one brotha! Stock based roms are pretty snappy as is and most devs have moved on to newer devices at this point. I'm still on Negaman's latest.
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Make one brotha! Stock based roms are pretty snappy as is and most devs have moved on to newer devices at this point. I'm still on Negaman's latest.
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I have built plenty ROMs. And on two teams. I'm not a TW user. I've used nega rom seen issues with it and didnt like the theme but that was my own opinion.
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Then my question to you is if you are capable of building your own rom.....the way you would like it for yourself, why complain that they are all the same? Why not build your own that could be very much different.....with the performance and the theming to fit your own taste. It really is as simple as that.
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Then my question to you is if you are capable of building your own rom.....the way you would like it for yourself, why complain that they are all the same? Why not build your own that could be very much different.....with the performance and the theming to fit your own taste. It really is as simple as that.
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Look I'm not here to get slammed by people I was just putting it out there to find out from other people if they felt the same.
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Look I'm not here to get slammed by people I was just putting it out there to find out from other people if they felt the same.
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I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way. The only difference is they keep their whiny, disrespectful opinions to themselves.
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I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way. The only difference is they keep their whiny, disrespectful opinions to themselves.
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I agree. The roms available all seem too alike. Most have bugs. And if not they seem to lack features id put in standard.. i am not a rom dev.. but have been working on my own. It will be a compilation of miui aosp and aome cherry picks. But again.. its gonna be the same base.. what can i do to make mine different? We're all stuck using either samsungs crap base or cm... I'm getting discouraged. :'(
Why Android is so awesome
The beauty of Android is the ability to make it any way you like. It has already been said, but I would like to reinforce this idea. ROMs are all very similar because the MAJORITY of people have the same basic requirements from their phones. This means that the feature set that most people demand is very similar, and therefore the features offered in the various ROMs will be similar as well.
The people who make ROMs that are overly different from the 'normal' do it primarily for their own benefit, and their specific needs are not often shared by others. So these "unique" ROMs never really get out because there isn't a demand for them.
I personally have done many of my own "purpose-built" ROMs that go outside the normal, but posting them wouldn't make much sense, because the things that are different are not needed by other people. Also, supporting a COMMUNITY of people who use your ROM is much harder than supporting yourself. I can make ROM changes for myself, but I absolutely do not have time to try to upkeep a ROM thread. The work that those guys put in is INCREDIBLE. Making a ROM work for one person on one phone in one configuration is trivial compared to trying to roll out a mass-compatible distribution. The only ROMs that are worth that kind of time are the ROMs that suit the needs of many, not the needs of few. Therefore, the ROMs that are distributed online are all seeking to fill the same basic roles.
As to how you can make your ROM unique, that is like asking how to make a car unique. First you have to decide what you want. Do you want a race car (speed)? Do you want amazing gas mileage (battery life)? Does it need to be street legal (compatibility)? Do you care about color (theme)? Do you need a great sound system (music player)?
I think you begin to see what I mean. You can make a ROM unique in many ways, but you have to figure out what you want from the ROM before you can figure out what the ROM needs to be like.
You also mentioned that many ROMs are buggy. Get used to it. Especially if you are going to start building your own. I don't mean to sound harsh, but that is the nature of the game. If you want maximum stability, go back to stock. Everything has a trade-off. If you want great features, you will have to work through the glitches. I am not saying that a "perfect" ROM is impossible, but be prepared to put in the time. The ROM devs around here do everything they can, but ultimately they also have full-time jobs doing other things. If each of the custom ROMs on this forum had the 500 man full-time dev team that Samsung has, the ROMs would be just as stable. Unfortunately, that isn't the case.
Welcome to the world of Android, my friend. Have fun building!
I feel like that was completely unnecessary and very untrue. Ive ran several 'stable' AOSP/CM roms and the one im building is quite stable thank you.
A base is just a base. The features i add are always in demand. And some may or may not be activated upon flashing. Thats up to the user to
decide. imo this whole conversation seems to lure in bashers. All i did was ask for some simple advice. Ill take my leave now.
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I feel like that was completely unnecessary and very untrue. Ive ran several 'stable' AOSP/CM roms and the one im building is quite stable thank you.
A base is just a base. The features i add are always in demand. And some may or may not be activated upon flashing. Thats up to the user to
decide. imo this whole conversation seems to lure in bashers. All i did was ask for some simple advice. Ill take my leave now.
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I just want to say that I meant no disrespect! And I am very happy you have a stable ROM. All I was suggesting is that I would guess you have had some bumps in the road along the way. I am confident that you have worked through them, or are in the process of doing so, but I would wager to bet that in the future you will run into more bumps. You will fix them and all will be good.
I am simply trying to point out that in the process of adding new features, often we encounter issues, bugs, glitches, etc. If you haven't, then I think you are extremely lucky and in a league of your own as far as programming goes. Far above me and many others.
And if the features you add are always in demand, then I propose that you are adding features that are similar to what many others are adding. I could be wrong, but I feel that to meet the demands of the masses it is easy to fall into a trail that closely parallels others. There are certain unique differences, but in the end I think that this is why ROMs are similar today.
Anyway, please know that I meant you no disrespect or flame. I was just trying to explain my perspective on why there was not as much variation as we would all like, and why occasionally someone discovers a bug.
Very well written. And well said. Yes theres always a problem when adding/removing features.. but the point is to release when its stable/feature rich. Anyways. I thank you for the input. And soon DUI (DaisUI) will hit xda servers.
cuz aosp is aosp no matter how u look at it. differences are kernels.. updated toolchains.. and customizations... like nameless roms otg mode.. pretty neat.. or sokps dolby audio... its easy to cherry pick stuff u like about roms n drop them into cm... rom devs really just making stuff THEY like n sharing with us
I have just moved from sprint s3 to s4. Was a huge fan of m.o.a.r., wicked sensations, and wicked x. For their customized everything. I am NOT a programmer so please don't slam me. But most of the roms I have seen for the s4 are kind of vanilla. Are there any roms like wicked out there for s4 or is it time to learn to do it myself?
Reverend Gonzo said:
I have just moved from sprint s3 to s4. Was a huge fan of m.o.a.r., wicked sensations, and wicked x. For their customized everything. I am NOT a programmer so please don't slam me. But most of the roms I have seen for the s4 are kind of vanilla. Are there any roms like wicked out there for s4 or is it time to learn to do it myself?
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You can try out negalite
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dead forum is dead forum.. can't really complain considering how dead development for the device really is.. i think there are too many phones these days being released which does has an impact on how much modding happens. i remember the days of the ppc-6700/touchpro/2/etc and how those devices even after years there was tons of active stuff going on (and those were WM devices lol). now the peak of most devices tend to be 6 months before people seem to lose interest and they upgrade to the next phone with barely any improvements. i tend to stick to a phone for at least 2 to maybe 3 gens before i swap. currently i'm on the S4 and skipped the S5 because how lackluster it is.. will wait to see how the S6 looks like, but i think the S4 will be my last samsung for a while.. my eyes are set on the Xperia Z3 coming out to sprint this fall. samsung seems to be stuck in the plastic shell generation after generation.. well this is a whole other topic
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dead forum is dead forum.. can't really complain considering how dead development for the device really is.. i think there are too many phones these days being released which does has an impact on how much modding happens. i remember the days of the ppc-6700/touchpro/2/etc and how those devices even after years there was tons of active stuff going on (and those were WM devices lol). now the peak of most devices tend to be 6 months before people seem to lose interest and they upgrade to the next phone with barely any improvements. i tend to stick to a phone for at least 2 to maybe 3 gens before i swap. currently i'm on the S4 and skipped the S5 because how lackluster it is.. will wait to see how the S6 looks like, but i think the S4 will be my last samsung for a while.. my eyes are set on the Xperia Z3 coming out to sprint this fall. samsung seems to be stuck in the plastic shell generation after generation.. well this is a whole other topic
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S3 seems to be running strong still. Had I not dropped mine, I would have stayed with it.
Which rom are you running on your S4
I found Negalite and really like it... but it looks like its dead too.
You guys know there is a Unified Development forum for the S4 right? Most non-TW ROMs have moved to there.
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You guys know there is a Unified Development forum for the S4 right? Most non-TW ROMs have moved to there.
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For some reason that sub forum doesn't work with Tapatalk for me, always wants to open in chrome. Anyone else experience this or know why it happens?
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For some reason that sub forum doesn't work with Tapatalk for me, always wants to open in chrome. Anyone else experience this or know why it happens?
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Redirects don't work on mobile apps. The real thread is located in the International Galaxy S4 section. Here is the real thread if you want to subscribe in Tapatalk http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s4/unified-development
Hey guys, today i ordered myself an S5 and it's arriving tommorow morning. I can't wait to get it. I immediately fell in love with hardware, and the phone looks beautiful. Only thing i don't like is TouchWiz. So since the moment i knew i was gonna have it, i came here, and i must say i'm suprisedi expected the development to be beyond point of view good thing we have offical cyanogenmod(that was expected tbh) but i also expected something of CAF and aosp base since s5's predecessors had great AOSP ROMs support, like Slim and Omni and PA. Well who knows. Maybe i finnaly start learning something new and hell, maybe try to cook something but knowing myself, i wont have the guts.
Also i always wanted to try the famous Boeffla kernel and now i'll finaly have the chance!
You'll be hard-pressed to find a ROM that runs as fast/smooth/efficiently as the stock rom (once it's debloated, of course). There are plenty of ROMs available, it's just that not all of them are available on XDA. Try one of Ground-Zero's ROMs. Tesla and TipsyOS are very good.
(P.S. TipsyOS uses boeffla by default)
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You'll be hard-pressed to find a ROM that runs as fast/smooth/efficiently as the stock rom (once it's debloated, of course). There are plenty of ROMs available, it's just that not all of them are available on XDA. Try one of Ground-Zero's ROMs. Tesla and TipsyOS are very good.
(P.S. TipsyOS uses boeffla by default)
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I ran tesla on my moto g, pretty good. But i don't know, i used to hack older samsungs, the newest was s4, so i'm a bit scared, i dont know whats KNOX or what's the procedure to root/flash recovery on this phone and how dangerous it is because i worked with phones that are hard to really screw up, so i'll probably stay on tw and root it.. I don't know yet. Hard to decide since i'm a flashaholic..
KNOX is the new warranty killer, flash anything custom and it trips KNOX from 0x0 to 0x1, which is irreversible, when you need to send your S5 in for repair, they check the KNOX status and refuse warranty in many regions if it is 0x1
Other than that, it's just a useless annoyance
Read some threads, you'll find all the info you need about rooting/hacking the S5
Pretty simple procedure if you don't care about warranty, or live somewhere that doesn't use KNOX status (EU apparently)
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KNOX is the new warranty killer, flash anything custom and it trips KNOX from 0x0 to 0x1, which is irreversible, when you need to send your S5 in for repair, they check the KNOX status and refuse warranty in many regions if it is 0x1
Other than that, it's just a useless annoyance
Read some threads, you'll find all the info you need about rooting/hacking the S5
Pretty simple procedure if you don't care about warranty, or live somewhere that doesn't use KNOX status (EU apparently)
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Well i live in europe and i bought an european version (obviously) and i don't even know what for i'd send it for warrianty, hardware failures don't cover it do they? And KNOX is not reversible in any way? And there is no way to flash over it? I think i saw a thread today regarding that..
The issue with the S5 is that there are no base roms made available to beginner developers. Everything is based on Cyanogenmod which has issues like Bluetooth and such. I ported Omni rom a while back so it can be available to others to try. Everything is working perfectly besides the camera which I haven't quite figured out yet. No Bluetooth issues, great battery, & nice performance. I plan on porting that new paradox ROM to our beloved device soon so hopefully we can get some development going.
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Well i live in europe and i bought an european version (obviously) and i don't even know what for i'd send it for warrianty, hardware failures don't cover it do they? And KNOX is not reversible in any way? And there is no way to flash over it? I think i saw a thread today regarding that..
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Of course warranty covers hardware failure, that's what warranty is for
And no, there is no way to reset KNOX
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The issue with the S5 is that there are no base roms made available to beginner developers. Everything is based on Cyanogenmod which has issues like Bluetooth and such. I ported Omni rom a while back so it can be available to others to try. Everything is working perfectly besides the camera which I haven't quite figured out yet. No Bluetooth issues, great battery, & nice performance. I plan on porting that new paradox ROM to our beloved device soon so hopefully we can get some development going.
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Wow that sounds awesome, and where we could find that omni of yours? And Aosparadox was originally created for moto g, and i was one of the first who tried it. Good rom, and i think that AOSP based roms would be great on this phone, is it only me?
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Of course warranty covers hardware failure, that's what warranty is for
And no, there is no way to reset KNOX
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What do you think, is it worth it? Idk man, this phone doesn't feel squishy, and i plan on buying a case right away..
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What do you think, is it worth it? Idk man, this phone doesn't feel squishy, and i plan on buying a case right away..
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I love mine, if I went back to the day I ordered it, I'd do the same again, no regrets
G900F - others are limited/locked
In my opinion, this is a great phone. I had an S2 and now i have a G900F. I love the feeling with this, resistent, lightweight and not so big but with a beautiful screen...i hate samsung policy but not all samsung is bad. Flagships are still remaining the main phones to buy if someone wants a good experience. I like flashing roms but with latest firmwares i prefer remaining near o stock. I tried some custom roms based on CM, ok they are very fast but i missed a lot of stock features that i use, and i like to have always them with me instead of trying to find an alternative way. We listen all the time people complain about phone's problems but personally i think less people say "wow, great phone, etc" only because it hasn't the need to say this, only complain...
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Wow that sounds awesome, and where we could find that omni of yours? And Aosparadox was originally created for moto g, and i was one of the first who tried it. Good rom, and i think that AOSP based roms would be great on this phone, is it only me?
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You can find it HERE. AOSPParadox should be pretty easy to port over. Maybe I can get it done this weekend.
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In my opinion, this is a great phone. I had an S2 and now i have a G900F. I love the feeling with this, resistent, lightweight and not so big but with a beautiful screen...i hate samsung policy but not all samsung is bad. Flagships are still remaining the main phones to buy if someone wants a good experience. I like flashing roms but with latest firmwares i prefer remaining near o stock. I tried some custom roms based on CM, ok they are very fast but i missed a lot of stock features that i use, and i like to have always them with me instead of trying to find an alternative way. We listen all the time people complain about phone's problems but personally i think less people say "wow, great phone, etc" ony because it hasn't the need to say this, only complain...
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Thanks for your opinion man, yes i think good about this phone also, i of course knowing myself will eventually flash something, but who knows, maybe stock will be good enough
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You can find it HERE. AOSPParadox should be pretty easy to port over. Maybe I can get it done this weekend.
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Does this mean we could have other offical roms supported? And have you thought about maintaining omni officaly?
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I love mine, if I went back to the day I ordered it, I'd do the same again, no regrets
G900F - others are limited/locked
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Awesome man, and i have one more question.
Is triggering KNOX worth it or not in your opinion? Others? I want more opinions on this
Other official roms such as? Everything right now is based off Cyanogenmod so that means there is no variety. Other phones usually have roms built off of cm,omni,aosp,PA,aokp ect ect If we are able to port these roms such as Omni people can add to them and make custom and stable roms out of them
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Other official roms such as? Everything right now is based off Cyanogenmod so that means there is no variety. Other phones usually have roms built off of cm,omni,aosp,PA,aokp ect ect If we are able to port these roms such as Omni people can add to them and make custom and stable roms out of them
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Other AOSP based roms like Omni, slim,Pa and such? Since they require aosp base..
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Other AOSP based roms like Omni, slim,Pa and such? Since they require aosp base..
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Exactly we need someone to port AOSP or something close enough to it so we can then port roms such as PA and slim without basing it off cm and having tons of issues...
Well if you try to port Aospparadox you could rebase omni to it's source and then build PA and slim and other roms
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Of course warranty covers hardware failure, that's what warranty is for
And no, there is no way to reset KNOX
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Well it doesn't cover hardware failure when you trip knox. Perhaps if the phone don't start at all and they cannot check for knox status.
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Awesome man, and i have one more question.
Is triggering KNOX worth it or not in your opinion? Others? I want more opinions on this
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Worth it if you never need the warranty, or live in the EU and they don't care about KNOX
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Well it doesn't cover hardware failure when you trip knox. Perhaps if the phone don't start at all and they cannot check for knox status.
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Obviously if you live somewhere that KNOX needs to be 0x0 for warranty, but otherwise the warranty is completely valid for hardware failure, tripped or not